E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
>It is total -------- about the older engines.
I agree. Seals in newer fuel systems are designed for ethanol, but
anything 10 years or older will have major problems. And people need
to be informed about it, because problems WILL happen.
Mixing alcohol does lower emissions, IMO, primarily because it lowers
combustion temps. It's like throwing a wet blanket on a roaring fire.
Sadly, it also lowers fuel mileage, saturates the fuel and exhaust
system in excess moisture and it costs more.
I'm glad to see MTBE go away, but something else could have been
developed. Corn farmers and new car sellers will be smiling broadly.
We've been using this stuff for a year or two out here in CA, and
you're right: the engine doens' t run very well on it. Used to be 5%
was the max, now it's 10%. I'm sure it will eventually go even higher,
to the point where golf carts will be passing is on the freeway.
I wish there was some way to address the real problem instead: too damn
many cars.
-JD
I agree. Seals in newer fuel systems are designed for ethanol, but
anything 10 years or older will have major problems. And people need
to be informed about it, because problems WILL happen.
Mixing alcohol does lower emissions, IMO, primarily because it lowers
combustion temps. It's like throwing a wet blanket on a roaring fire.
Sadly, it also lowers fuel mileage, saturates the fuel and exhaust
system in excess moisture and it costs more.
I'm glad to see MTBE go away, but something else could have been
developed. Corn farmers and new car sellers will be smiling broadly.
We've been using this stuff for a year or two out here in CA, and
you're right: the engine doens' t run very well on it. Used to be 5%
was the max, now it's 10%. I'm sure it will eventually go even higher,
to the point where golf carts will be passing is on the freeway.
I wish there was some way to address the real problem instead: too damn
many cars.
-JD
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
>It is total -------- about the older engines.
I agree. Seals in newer fuel systems are designed for ethanol, but
anything 10 years or older will have major problems. And people need
to be informed about it, because problems WILL happen.
Mixing alcohol does lower emissions, IMO, primarily because it lowers
combustion temps. It's like throwing a wet blanket on a roaring fire.
Sadly, it also lowers fuel mileage, saturates the fuel and exhaust
system in excess moisture and it costs more.
I'm glad to see MTBE go away, but something else could have been
developed. Corn farmers and new car sellers will be smiling broadly.
We've been using this stuff for a year or two out here in CA, and
you're right: the engine doens' t run very well on it. Used to be 5%
was the max, now it's 10%. I'm sure it will eventually go even higher,
to the point where golf carts will be passing is on the freeway.
I wish there was some way to address the real problem instead: too damn
many cars.
-JD
I agree. Seals in newer fuel systems are designed for ethanol, but
anything 10 years or older will have major problems. And people need
to be informed about it, because problems WILL happen.
Mixing alcohol does lower emissions, IMO, primarily because it lowers
combustion temps. It's like throwing a wet blanket on a roaring fire.
Sadly, it also lowers fuel mileage, saturates the fuel and exhaust
system in excess moisture and it costs more.
I'm glad to see MTBE go away, but something else could have been
developed. Corn farmers and new car sellers will be smiling broadly.
We've been using this stuff for a year or two out here in CA, and
you're right: the engine doens' t run very well on it. Used to be 5%
was the max, now it's 10%. I'm sure it will eventually go even higher,
to the point where golf carts will be passing is on the freeway.
I wish there was some way to address the real problem instead: too damn
many cars.
-JD
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
>It is total -------- about the older engines.
I agree. Seals in newer fuel systems are designed for ethanol, but
anything 10 years or older will have major problems. And people need
to be informed about it, because problems WILL happen.
Mixing alcohol does lower emissions, IMO, primarily because it lowers
combustion temps. It's like throwing a wet blanket on a roaring fire.
Sadly, it also lowers fuel mileage, saturates the fuel and exhaust
system in excess moisture and it costs more.
I'm glad to see MTBE go away, but something else could have been
developed. Corn farmers and new car sellers will be smiling broadly.
We've been using this stuff for a year or two out here in CA, and
you're right: the engine doens' t run very well on it. Used to be 5%
was the max, now it's 10%. I'm sure it will eventually go even higher,
to the point where golf carts will be passing is on the freeway.
I wish there was some way to address the real problem instead: too damn
many cars.
-JD
I agree. Seals in newer fuel systems are designed for ethanol, but
anything 10 years or older will have major problems. And people need
to be informed about it, because problems WILL happen.
Mixing alcohol does lower emissions, IMO, primarily because it lowers
combustion temps. It's like throwing a wet blanket on a roaring fire.
Sadly, it also lowers fuel mileage, saturates the fuel and exhaust
system in excess moisture and it costs more.
I'm glad to see MTBE go away, but something else could have been
developed. Corn farmers and new car sellers will be smiling broadly.
We've been using this stuff for a year or two out here in CA, and
you're right: the engine doens' t run very well on it. Used to be 5%
was the max, now it's 10%. I'm sure it will eventually go even higher,
to the point where golf carts will be passing is on the freeway.
I wish there was some way to address the real problem instead: too damn
many cars.
-JD
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
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> I wish there was some way to address the real problem instead: too damn
> many cars.
Not exactly correct... To many drivers... Think about it carefully...
There's a difference... I have 3 cars, an airplane, a boat, an ATV, and a
motorcycle... All for only 2 drivers... For the most part, only one of those
ever gets used at a time... Reducing my cars would not reduce the air
polution that I generate, I would just drive one of the other vehicles more
often... Reducing the number of drivers would have a direct effect on the
air polution generated... Of course arguments could be made on whether the
reductions are worthwhile considering the amount of air polution that is
generated from other sources (some "natural" like the recent fires in the
Oklahoma and Texas panhandles)...
news:1143486860.892707.83320@v46g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> I wish there was some way to address the real problem instead: too damn
> many cars.
Not exactly correct... To many drivers... Think about it carefully...
There's a difference... I have 3 cars, an airplane, a boat, an ATV, and a
motorcycle... All for only 2 drivers... For the most part, only one of those
ever gets used at a time... Reducing my cars would not reduce the air
polution that I generate, I would just drive one of the other vehicles more
often... Reducing the number of drivers would have a direct effect on the
air polution generated... Of course arguments could be made on whether the
reductions are worthwhile considering the amount of air polution that is
generated from other sources (some "natural" like the recent fires in the
Oklahoma and Texas panhandles)...
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1143486860.892707.83320@v46g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> I wish there was some way to address the real problem instead: too damn
> many cars.
Not exactly correct... To many drivers... Think about it carefully...
There's a difference... I have 3 cars, an airplane, a boat, an ATV, and a
motorcycle... All for only 2 drivers... For the most part, only one of those
ever gets used at a time... Reducing my cars would not reduce the air
polution that I generate, I would just drive one of the other vehicles more
often... Reducing the number of drivers would have a direct effect on the
air polution generated... Of course arguments could be made on whether the
reductions are worthwhile considering the amount of air polution that is
generated from other sources (some "natural" like the recent fires in the
Oklahoma and Texas panhandles)...
news:1143486860.892707.83320@v46g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> I wish there was some way to address the real problem instead: too damn
> many cars.
Not exactly correct... To many drivers... Think about it carefully...
There's a difference... I have 3 cars, an airplane, a boat, an ATV, and a
motorcycle... All for only 2 drivers... For the most part, only one of those
ever gets used at a time... Reducing my cars would not reduce the air
polution that I generate, I would just drive one of the other vehicles more
often... Reducing the number of drivers would have a direct effect on the
air polution generated... Of course arguments could be made on whether the
reductions are worthwhile considering the amount of air polution that is
generated from other sources (some "natural" like the recent fires in the
Oklahoma and Texas panhandles)...
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1143486860.892707.83320@v46g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> I wish there was some way to address the real problem instead: too damn
> many cars.
Not exactly correct... To many drivers... Think about it carefully...
There's a difference... I have 3 cars, an airplane, a boat, an ATV, and a
motorcycle... All for only 2 drivers... For the most part, only one of those
ever gets used at a time... Reducing my cars would not reduce the air
polution that I generate, I would just drive one of the other vehicles more
often... Reducing the number of drivers would have a direct effect on the
air polution generated... Of course arguments could be made on whether the
reductions are worthwhile considering the amount of air polution that is
generated from other sources (some "natural" like the recent fires in the
Oklahoma and Texas panhandles)...
news:1143486860.892707.83320@v46g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com...
> I wish there was some way to address the real problem instead: too damn
> many cars.
Not exactly correct... To many drivers... Think about it carefully...
There's a difference... I have 3 cars, an airplane, a boat, an ATV, and a
motorcycle... All for only 2 drivers... For the most part, only one of those
ever gets used at a time... Reducing my cars would not reduce the air
polution that I generate, I would just drive one of the other vehicles more
often... Reducing the number of drivers would have a direct effect on the
air polution generated... Of course arguments could be made on whether the
reductions are worthwhile considering the amount of air polution that is
generated from other sources (some "natural" like the recent fires in the
Oklahoma and Texas panhandles)...
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
Here in MI if they sell 10% ethanol they are required to put a notice
sticker on the pump. Speedway & Clark come to mind. I normally gas up at
national-chain stations, or at the local Meijer station; they usually have
the best price on gas. Believe it or not, Mobil in Livonia has the best
prices on diesel down here; when traveling, we buy fuel at Flying J
stations, they seem to have the best prices within a couple hour's drive.
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:8f488$44282791$4831b233$20217@FUSE.NET...
> In the Midwest US we have had 10% ethanol most brands of gasoline for ...
> 15-20 years. Marathon based in Findley Ohio was that last one that used
> to advertise they sold "100% gasoline" but I do not recall seeing those
> signs for a long time so I will assume that it is gasohol also.
>
> Back when it first was being introduced there was controversy just like we
> are having here about drivability and deterioration of rubber parts.
>
> The aftermarket auto parts companies were quick to jump in with 'new and
> improved' components that were gasohol safe and I'm assuming that all
> 'modernly' produced fuel system parts are fully compatible.
>
> There was a time when all the vehicle engines ran poorly... well... longer
> than a time as it was 10-15 years but I think most of that can be
> attributed to the manufacturers adopting the least expensive way to meet
> environmental regulations rather than using a more efficient but also more
> expensive option.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4427F792.F5E86BAE@sympatico.ca...
>> That means I guess one next project will to put an engine in that can
>> burn the crap so I can keep my power level up.
>>
>> A V8 that burns the crap might give me as much power as I have now with
>> my 258 on 'real' gas eh. Maybe the same 'gas' mileage too seeing as my
>> old Chevy 350 got 18 mpg or so and that crap mix drops my 258's mileage
>> 'way' down.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>>
>>> E-5, not E-10. See:
>>> <URL:http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/infores/releases/2005/100507.html>
>>>
>>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>> > No joke unfortunately. They are talking about mandating alcohol in
>>> > fuel
>>> > in Canada too or at least in Ontario in the next couple years.
>>> >
>>> > It is total -------- about the older engines. The crap eats gas
>>> > lines,
>>> > the carb float needles go bad and I lose over 25% in mileage and have
>>> > no power over 60 mph when I run alcohol mix. Even my owners manual
>>> > states 'not' to use the junk.
>>> >
>>> > I mean I go from over 350 miles per tank of gas down to 250 miles at
>>> > best with alcohol mix.
>>> >
>>> > Great stuff, it is more expensive and we use Way more of it when
>>> > mixed.
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>> >
>>> > Coasty wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I
>>> >>was
>>> >>listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will
>>> >>be E-10
>>> >>(10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
>>> >>the
>>> >>new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for
>>> >>older
>>> >>autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
>>> >>will
>>> >>break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you
>>> >>notice
>>> >>your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
>>> >>
>>> >>Coasty
>
>
sticker on the pump. Speedway & Clark come to mind. I normally gas up at
national-chain stations, or at the local Meijer station; they usually have
the best price on gas. Believe it or not, Mobil in Livonia has the best
prices on diesel down here; when traveling, we buy fuel at Flying J
stations, they seem to have the best prices within a couple hour's drive.
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:8f488$44282791$4831b233$20217@FUSE.NET...
> In the Midwest US we have had 10% ethanol most brands of gasoline for ...
> 15-20 years. Marathon based in Findley Ohio was that last one that used
> to advertise they sold "100% gasoline" but I do not recall seeing those
> signs for a long time so I will assume that it is gasohol also.
>
> Back when it first was being introduced there was controversy just like we
> are having here about drivability and deterioration of rubber parts.
>
> The aftermarket auto parts companies were quick to jump in with 'new and
> improved' components that were gasohol safe and I'm assuming that all
> 'modernly' produced fuel system parts are fully compatible.
>
> There was a time when all the vehicle engines ran poorly... well... longer
> than a time as it was 10-15 years but I think most of that can be
> attributed to the manufacturers adopting the least expensive way to meet
> environmental regulations rather than using a more efficient but also more
> expensive option.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4427F792.F5E86BAE@sympatico.ca...
>> That means I guess one next project will to put an engine in that can
>> burn the crap so I can keep my power level up.
>>
>> A V8 that burns the crap might give me as much power as I have now with
>> my 258 on 'real' gas eh. Maybe the same 'gas' mileage too seeing as my
>> old Chevy 350 got 18 mpg or so and that crap mix drops my 258's mileage
>> 'way' down.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>>
>>> E-5, not E-10. See:
>>> <URL:http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/infores/releases/2005/100507.html>
>>>
>>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>> > No joke unfortunately. They are talking about mandating alcohol in
>>> > fuel
>>> > in Canada too or at least in Ontario in the next couple years.
>>> >
>>> > It is total -------- about the older engines. The crap eats gas
>>> > lines,
>>> > the carb float needles go bad and I lose over 25% in mileage and have
>>> > no power over 60 mph when I run alcohol mix. Even my owners manual
>>> > states 'not' to use the junk.
>>> >
>>> > I mean I go from over 350 miles per tank of gas down to 250 miles at
>>> > best with alcohol mix.
>>> >
>>> > Great stuff, it is more expensive and we use Way more of it when
>>> > mixed.
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>> >
>>> > Coasty wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I
>>> >>was
>>> >>listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will
>>> >>be E-10
>>> >>(10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
>>> >>the
>>> >>new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for
>>> >>older
>>> >>autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
>>> >>will
>>> >>break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you
>>> >>notice
>>> >>your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
>>> >>
>>> >>Coasty
>
>
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
Here in MI if they sell 10% ethanol they are required to put a notice
sticker on the pump. Speedway & Clark come to mind. I normally gas up at
national-chain stations, or at the local Meijer station; they usually have
the best price on gas. Believe it or not, Mobil in Livonia has the best
prices on diesel down here; when traveling, we buy fuel at Flying J
stations, they seem to have the best prices within a couple hour's drive.
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:8f488$44282791$4831b233$20217@FUSE.NET...
> In the Midwest US we have had 10% ethanol most brands of gasoline for ...
> 15-20 years. Marathon based in Findley Ohio was that last one that used
> to advertise they sold "100% gasoline" but I do not recall seeing those
> signs for a long time so I will assume that it is gasohol also.
>
> Back when it first was being introduced there was controversy just like we
> are having here about drivability and deterioration of rubber parts.
>
> The aftermarket auto parts companies were quick to jump in with 'new and
> improved' components that were gasohol safe and I'm assuming that all
> 'modernly' produced fuel system parts are fully compatible.
>
> There was a time when all the vehicle engines ran poorly... well... longer
> than a time as it was 10-15 years but I think most of that can be
> attributed to the manufacturers adopting the least expensive way to meet
> environmental regulations rather than using a more efficient but also more
> expensive option.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4427F792.F5E86BAE@sympatico.ca...
>> That means I guess one next project will to put an engine in that can
>> burn the crap so I can keep my power level up.
>>
>> A V8 that burns the crap might give me as much power as I have now with
>> my 258 on 'real' gas eh. Maybe the same 'gas' mileage too seeing as my
>> old Chevy 350 got 18 mpg or so and that crap mix drops my 258's mileage
>> 'way' down.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>>
>>> E-5, not E-10. See:
>>> <URL:http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/infores/releases/2005/100507.html>
>>>
>>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>> > No joke unfortunately. They are talking about mandating alcohol in
>>> > fuel
>>> > in Canada too or at least in Ontario in the next couple years.
>>> >
>>> > It is total -------- about the older engines. The crap eats gas
>>> > lines,
>>> > the carb float needles go bad and I lose over 25% in mileage and have
>>> > no power over 60 mph when I run alcohol mix. Even my owners manual
>>> > states 'not' to use the junk.
>>> >
>>> > I mean I go from over 350 miles per tank of gas down to 250 miles at
>>> > best with alcohol mix.
>>> >
>>> > Great stuff, it is more expensive and we use Way more of it when
>>> > mixed.
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>> >
>>> > Coasty wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I
>>> >>was
>>> >>listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will
>>> >>be E-10
>>> >>(10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
>>> >>the
>>> >>new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for
>>> >>older
>>> >>autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
>>> >>will
>>> >>break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you
>>> >>notice
>>> >>your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
>>> >>
>>> >>Coasty
>
>
sticker on the pump. Speedway & Clark come to mind. I normally gas up at
national-chain stations, or at the local Meijer station; they usually have
the best price on gas. Believe it or not, Mobil in Livonia has the best
prices on diesel down here; when traveling, we buy fuel at Flying J
stations, they seem to have the best prices within a couple hour's drive.
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:8f488$44282791$4831b233$20217@FUSE.NET...
> In the Midwest US we have had 10% ethanol most brands of gasoline for ...
> 15-20 years. Marathon based in Findley Ohio was that last one that used
> to advertise they sold "100% gasoline" but I do not recall seeing those
> signs for a long time so I will assume that it is gasohol also.
>
> Back when it first was being introduced there was controversy just like we
> are having here about drivability and deterioration of rubber parts.
>
> The aftermarket auto parts companies were quick to jump in with 'new and
> improved' components that were gasohol safe and I'm assuming that all
> 'modernly' produced fuel system parts are fully compatible.
>
> There was a time when all the vehicle engines ran poorly... well... longer
> than a time as it was 10-15 years but I think most of that can be
> attributed to the manufacturers adopting the least expensive way to meet
> environmental regulations rather than using a more efficient but also more
> expensive option.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4427F792.F5E86BAE@sympatico.ca...
>> That means I guess one next project will to put an engine in that can
>> burn the crap so I can keep my power level up.
>>
>> A V8 that burns the crap might give me as much power as I have now with
>> my 258 on 'real' gas eh. Maybe the same 'gas' mileage too seeing as my
>> old Chevy 350 got 18 mpg or so and that crap mix drops my 258's mileage
>> 'way' down.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>>
>>> E-5, not E-10. See:
>>> <URL:http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/infores/releases/2005/100507.html>
>>>
>>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>> > No joke unfortunately. They are talking about mandating alcohol in
>>> > fuel
>>> > in Canada too or at least in Ontario in the next couple years.
>>> >
>>> > It is total -------- about the older engines. The crap eats gas
>>> > lines,
>>> > the carb float needles go bad and I lose over 25% in mileage and have
>>> > no power over 60 mph when I run alcohol mix. Even my owners manual
>>> > states 'not' to use the junk.
>>> >
>>> > I mean I go from over 350 miles per tank of gas down to 250 miles at
>>> > best with alcohol mix.
>>> >
>>> > Great stuff, it is more expensive and we use Way more of it when
>>> > mixed.
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>> >
>>> > Coasty wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I
>>> >>was
>>> >>listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will
>>> >>be E-10
>>> >>(10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
>>> >>the
>>> >>new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for
>>> >>older
>>> >>autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
>>> >>will
>>> >>break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you
>>> >>notice
>>> >>your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
>>> >>
>>> >>Coasty
>
>
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
Here in MI if they sell 10% ethanol they are required to put a notice
sticker on the pump. Speedway & Clark come to mind. I normally gas up at
national-chain stations, or at the local Meijer station; they usually have
the best price on gas. Believe it or not, Mobil in Livonia has the best
prices on diesel down here; when traveling, we buy fuel at Flying J
stations, they seem to have the best prices within a couple hour's drive.
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:8f488$44282791$4831b233$20217@FUSE.NET...
> In the Midwest US we have had 10% ethanol most brands of gasoline for ...
> 15-20 years. Marathon based in Findley Ohio was that last one that used
> to advertise they sold "100% gasoline" but I do not recall seeing those
> signs for a long time so I will assume that it is gasohol also.
>
> Back when it first was being introduced there was controversy just like we
> are having here about drivability and deterioration of rubber parts.
>
> The aftermarket auto parts companies were quick to jump in with 'new and
> improved' components that were gasohol safe and I'm assuming that all
> 'modernly' produced fuel system parts are fully compatible.
>
> There was a time when all the vehicle engines ran poorly... well... longer
> than a time as it was 10-15 years but I think most of that can be
> attributed to the manufacturers adopting the least expensive way to meet
> environmental regulations rather than using a more efficient but also more
> expensive option.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4427F792.F5E86BAE@sympatico.ca...
>> That means I guess one next project will to put an engine in that can
>> burn the crap so I can keep my power level up.
>>
>> A V8 that burns the crap might give me as much power as I have now with
>> my 258 on 'real' gas eh. Maybe the same 'gas' mileage too seeing as my
>> old Chevy 350 got 18 mpg or so and that crap mix drops my 258's mileage
>> 'way' down.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>>
>>> E-5, not E-10. See:
>>> <URL:http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/infores/releases/2005/100507.html>
>>>
>>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>> > No joke unfortunately. They are talking about mandating alcohol in
>>> > fuel
>>> > in Canada too or at least in Ontario in the next couple years.
>>> >
>>> > It is total -------- about the older engines. The crap eats gas
>>> > lines,
>>> > the carb float needles go bad and I lose over 25% in mileage and have
>>> > no power over 60 mph when I run alcohol mix. Even my owners manual
>>> > states 'not' to use the junk.
>>> >
>>> > I mean I go from over 350 miles per tank of gas down to 250 miles at
>>> > best with alcohol mix.
>>> >
>>> > Great stuff, it is more expensive and we use Way more of it when
>>> > mixed.
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>> >
>>> > Coasty wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I
>>> >>was
>>> >>listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will
>>> >>be E-10
>>> >>(10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
>>> >>the
>>> >>new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for
>>> >>older
>>> >>autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
>>> >>will
>>> >>break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you
>>> >>notice
>>> >>your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
>>> >>
>>> >>Coasty
>
>
sticker on the pump. Speedway & Clark come to mind. I normally gas up at
national-chain stations, or at the local Meijer station; they usually have
the best price on gas. Believe it or not, Mobil in Livonia has the best
prices on diesel down here; when traveling, we buy fuel at Flying J
stations, they seem to have the best prices within a couple hour's drive.
"billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
news:8f488$44282791$4831b233$20217@FUSE.NET...
> In the Midwest US we have had 10% ethanol most brands of gasoline for ...
> 15-20 years. Marathon based in Findley Ohio was that last one that used
> to advertise they sold "100% gasoline" but I do not recall seeing those
> signs for a long time so I will assume that it is gasohol also.
>
> Back when it first was being introduced there was controversy just like we
> are having here about drivability and deterioration of rubber parts.
>
> The aftermarket auto parts companies were quick to jump in with 'new and
> improved' components that were gasohol safe and I'm assuming that all
> 'modernly' produced fuel system parts are fully compatible.
>
> There was a time when all the vehicle engines ran poorly... well... longer
> than a time as it was 10-15 years but I think most of that can be
> attributed to the manufacturers adopting the least expensive way to meet
> environmental regulations rather than using a more efficient but also more
> expensive option.
>
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4427F792.F5E86BAE@sympatico.ca...
>> That means I guess one next project will to put an engine in that can
>> burn the crap so I can keep my power level up.
>>
>> A V8 that burns the crap might give me as much power as I have now with
>> my 258 on 'real' gas eh. Maybe the same 'gas' mileage too seeing as my
>> old Chevy 350 got 18 mpg or so and that crap mix drops my 258's mileage
>> 'way' down.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>>
>>> E-5, not E-10. See:
>>> <URL:http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/infores/releases/2005/100507.html>
>>>
>>> Mike Romain wrote:
>>> > No joke unfortunately. They are talking about mandating alcohol in
>>> > fuel
>>> > in Canada too or at least in Ontario in the next couple years.
>>> >
>>> > It is total -------- about the older engines. The crap eats gas
>>> > lines,
>>> > the carb float needles go bad and I lose over 25% in mileage and have
>>> > no power over 60 mph when I run alcohol mix. Even my owners manual
>>> > states 'not' to use the junk.
>>> >
>>> > I mean I go from over 350 miles per tank of gas down to 250 miles at
>>> > best with alcohol mix.
>>> >
>>> > Great stuff, it is more expensive and we use Way more of it when
>>> > mixed.
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>>> >
>>> > Coasty wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I
>>> >>was
>>> >>listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will
>>> >>be E-10
>>> >>(10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
>>> >>the
>>> >>new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for
>>> >>older
>>> >>autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
>>> >>will
>>> >>break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you
>>> >>notice
>>> >>your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
>>> >>
>>> >>Coasty
>
>
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
>Not exactly correct... To many drivers
Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
occupant. Some logically consider this to be 'too many drivers', as
you have. I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore. Worse, city planners
are more concerned with tax revenue than with traffic problems, so
they're all in favor of packing 'em in like sardines.
Bah. My solution? Move to the suburbs - to hell with big-city-revenue
mentality. It's worked pretty well so far. I'm long-since tired of
the smog, crime and noise anyway. The rats won the race a long time
ago. We just shuffle ---- around every 4 years is all; this country
was bought and paid for a LONG time ago, and ain't nothin' gonna
change!
Okay, time to take my meds...
Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
occupant. Some logically consider this to be 'too many drivers', as
you have. I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore. Worse, city planners
are more concerned with tax revenue than with traffic problems, so
they're all in favor of packing 'em in like sardines.
Bah. My solution? Move to the suburbs - to hell with big-city-revenue
mentality. It's worked pretty well so far. I'm long-since tired of
the smog, crime and noise anyway. The rats won the race a long time
ago. We just shuffle ---- around every 4 years is all; this country
was bought and paid for a LONG time ago, and ain't nothin' gonna
change!
Okay, time to take my meds...