E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
"The cost was very reasonable and you shouldn't try this at home."
Not even if you can find a welding tip drill that just happens to be the
correct size. ;^)
Earle
"Al J" <ajsmail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1e92f1566b7eb7b89898a7@news.xnet.com...
> As I understand it, Oxygenates do little for emissions in most modern
> cars with O2 sensors and feedback fuel injection systems, which may be
> why the requirement is being dropped. The O2 sensor detects the extra
> oxygen and richens the mixture. When ethanol is used as the oxygenate
> this causes a double hit to mpg. There is some reduction in emissions
> during cold and warm starts when most systems ignore the O2 sensor and
> operate in a mode pre-programmed into the computer. Those modes are
> usually described in the FSM.
>
> Some older carbs from the 70s & early 80s have fixed jets or in some
> cases optional sizes are not available under EPA law. I ran into this on
> an older Yamaha motorcycle which was cold-blooded on normal leaded gas
> and undriveable on the oxygenated gas. I did find a solution. Some
> machine and speed shops have jet drills, which can be used to make a
> stock fuel jet richer. I went one size larger on both the main and pilot
> jets and it runs much better. Unless replacement stock jets are
> available, there's no going back so it's best to be conservative. The
> cost was very reasonable and you shouldn't try this at home.
>
> In article <e08qq7$eb8$1@reader2.panix.com>, layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com
> says...
> >
> > It /appears/ that the show may have misunderstood. What I found was
> > that the US EPA is dropping the oxygenation requirements for
> > Reformulated Gasoline (RFG) road fuel effective May, 2006. MTBE was the
> > agent that was most commonly used -- until individual USofA states
> > started banning it over groundwater contamination and carcinogenesis
> > concerns. This doesn't mean that they will require E-10 in its place.
> >
> > Here's a news article from Maryland that gives a quick gloss on the
subject:
> >
<URL:http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/loc...e17feb17001554
,0,5399305.story?coll=bal-local-harford>
> >
> > Individual states are free to continue to require oxygenate additives,
> > it is just that the Feds won't require it. Connecticut, my home state,
> > has used 5% ethanol for its RFG for several years.
> >
> > In addition, MTBE producers are shutting down production of the
> > additive, partly because they've failed to secure immunity from civil
> > lawsuits, partly over diminished demand as gasoline marketers run away
> > from it and individual states ban it as an additive. This leaves
> > ethanol as the most likely replacement.
> >
> > I can't find anything that says that the EPA will require all RFG to be
> > E-10, and it wouldn't make sense anyway when E-5 works just as well from
> > a tailpipe emissions point of view. And I'm not sure that there's
> > enough corn in the country to make that much ethanol right now anyway.
> >
> > Further reading:
> > EPA Regulations and Standards - Reformulated Gasoline:
> > <URL:http://www.epa.gov/otaq/rfg_regs.htm>
> >
> > Chevron - Oxygenated Gasoline:
> >
<URL:http://www.chevron.com/products/prod...otorgas/4_oxyg
enated-gasoline/>
> >
> > And an amusing one:
> > "Evaluation of methyl tert-butyl ether (MTBE) as an interference on
> > commercial breath-alcohol analyzers"
> > <URL:http://www.epa.gov/nerl/nerlmtbe.htm>
> > Can excessive occupational exposure to MTBE result in false positive
> > Breath-a-lizer readings? Nope.
> >
> >
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Earle
"Al J" <ajsmail@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1e92f1566b7eb7b89898a7@news.xnet.com...
> As I understand it, Oxygenates do little for emissions in most modern
> cars with O2 sensors and feedback fuel injection systems, which may be
> why the requirement is being dropped. The O2 sensor detects the extra
> oxygen and richens the mixture. When ethanol is used as the oxygenate
> this causes a double hit to mpg. There is some reduction in emissions
> during cold and warm starts when most systems ignore the O2 sensor and
> operate in a mode pre-programmed into the computer. Those modes are
> usually described in the FSM.
>
> Some older carbs from the 70s & early 80s have fixed jets or in some
> cases optional sizes are not available under EPA law. I ran into this on
> an older Yamaha motorcycle which was cold-blooded on normal leaded gas
> and undriveable on the oxygenated gas. I did find a solution. Some
> machine and speed shops have jet drills, which can be used to make a
> stock fuel jet richer. I went one size larger on both the main and pilot
> jets and it runs much better. Unless replacement stock jets are
> available, there's no going back so it's best to be conservative. The
> cost was very reasonable and you shouldn't try this at home.
>
> In article <e08qq7$eb8$1@reader2.panix.com>, layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com
> says...
> >
> > It /appears/ that the show may have misunderstood. What I found was
> > that the US EPA is dropping the oxygenation requirements for
> > Reformulated Gasoline (RFG) road fuel effective May, 2006. MTBE was the
> > agent that was most commonly used -- until individual USofA states
> > started banning it over groundwater contamination and carcinogenesis
> > concerns. This doesn't mean that they will require E-10 in its place.
> >
> > Here's a news article from Maryland that gives a quick gloss on the
subject:
> >
<URL:http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/loc...e17feb17001554
,0,5399305.story?coll=bal-local-harford>
> >
> > Individual states are free to continue to require oxygenate additives,
> > it is just that the Feds won't require it. Connecticut, my home state,
> > has used 5% ethanol for its RFG for several years.
> >
> > In addition, MTBE producers are shutting down production of the
> > additive, partly because they've failed to secure immunity from civil
> > lawsuits, partly over diminished demand as gasoline marketers run away
> > from it and individual states ban it as an additive. This leaves
> > ethanol as the most likely replacement.
> >
> > I can't find anything that says that the EPA will require all RFG to be
> > E-10, and it wouldn't make sense anyway when E-5 works just as well from
> > a tailpipe emissions point of view. And I'm not sure that there's
> > enough corn in the country to make that much ethanol right now anyway.
> >
> > Further reading:
> > EPA Regulations and Standards - Reformulated Gasoline:
> > <URL:http://www.epa.gov/otaq/rfg_regs.htm>
> >
> > Chevron - Oxygenated Gasoline:
> >
<URL:http://www.chevron.com/products/prod...otorgas/4_oxyg
enated-gasoline/>
> >
> > And an amusing one:
> > "Evaluation of methyl tert-butyl ether (MTBE) as an interference on
> > commercial breath-alcohol analyzers"
> > <URL:http://www.epa.gov/nerl/nerlmtbe.htm>
> > Can excessive occupational exposure to MTBE result in false positive
> > Breath-a-lizer readings? Nope.
> >
> >
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
JD Adams wrote:
>>Not exactly correct... To many drivers
>
> Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> occupant. Some logically consider this to be 'too many drivers', as
> you have. I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
Or, as seems barely likely to happen, raise the cost of driving to the
point where not everyone can afford to drive alone.
Bird flu might have the desired driver-reduction effect, if the
doomsayers are correct. Neither of us, of course, wishes to be part of
the "no longer driving or breathing" group.
> I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
And, of course, the cage drivers see it as too damned many trucks on the
road hauling cargo that should be in intermodal containers on a train.
It all depends on what irritates you.
> DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore. Worse, city planners
> are more concerned with tax revenue than with traffic problems, so
> they're all in favor of packing 'em in like sardines.
Well, there's also that pesky notion that property owners have some sort
of right to do pretty much whatever they want to turn the maximum buck
(again, it all depends on what irritates you). Extravagant lot size
minimums and setbacks simply ------ the sprawl out and makes for more
curb cuts, it doesn't reduce it. It also tend to fall before court
challenges that it constitute "checkbook zoning" and unfairly deny less
than median income people ownership. Since your local governmental unit
posts a revenue loss on every median-income family with children that
come to the area, more development is necessary to cover the increased
cost of services (schools, parks, police, etc.). `Round and `round it goes.
> Bah. My solution? Move to the suburbs - to hell with big-city-revenue
> mentality. It's worked pretty well so far. I'm long-since tired of
> the smog, crime and noise anyway. The rats won the race a long time
That pattern is well documented, though. Families flee congestion for
peace and quiet. Along with them comes strip malls, big box stores,
noise, congestion, polution, hooligans and crime. Lather, rinse, repeat.
>>Not exactly correct... To many drivers
>
> Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> occupant. Some logically consider this to be 'too many drivers', as
> you have. I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
Or, as seems barely likely to happen, raise the cost of driving to the
point where not everyone can afford to drive alone.
Bird flu might have the desired driver-reduction effect, if the
doomsayers are correct. Neither of us, of course, wishes to be part of
the "no longer driving or breathing" group.
> I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
And, of course, the cage drivers see it as too damned many trucks on the
road hauling cargo that should be in intermodal containers on a train.
It all depends on what irritates you.
> DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore. Worse, city planners
> are more concerned with tax revenue than with traffic problems, so
> they're all in favor of packing 'em in like sardines.
Well, there's also that pesky notion that property owners have some sort
of right to do pretty much whatever they want to turn the maximum buck
(again, it all depends on what irritates you). Extravagant lot size
minimums and setbacks simply ------ the sprawl out and makes for more
curb cuts, it doesn't reduce it. It also tend to fall before court
challenges that it constitute "checkbook zoning" and unfairly deny less
than median income people ownership. Since your local governmental unit
posts a revenue loss on every median-income family with children that
come to the area, more development is necessary to cover the increased
cost of services (schools, parks, police, etc.). `Round and `round it goes.
> Bah. My solution? Move to the suburbs - to hell with big-city-revenue
> mentality. It's worked pretty well so far. I'm long-since tired of
> the smog, crime and noise anyway. The rats won the race a long time
That pattern is well documented, though. Families flee congestion for
peace and quiet. Along with them comes strip malls, big box stores,
noise, congestion, polution, hooligans and crime. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
JD Adams wrote:
>>Not exactly correct... To many drivers
>
> Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> occupant. Some logically consider this to be 'too many drivers', as
> you have. I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
Or, as seems barely likely to happen, raise the cost of driving to the
point where not everyone can afford to drive alone.
Bird flu might have the desired driver-reduction effect, if the
doomsayers are correct. Neither of us, of course, wishes to be part of
the "no longer driving or breathing" group.
> I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
And, of course, the cage drivers see it as too damned many trucks on the
road hauling cargo that should be in intermodal containers on a train.
It all depends on what irritates you.
> DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore. Worse, city planners
> are more concerned with tax revenue than with traffic problems, so
> they're all in favor of packing 'em in like sardines.
Well, there's also that pesky notion that property owners have some sort
of right to do pretty much whatever they want to turn the maximum buck
(again, it all depends on what irritates you). Extravagant lot size
minimums and setbacks simply ------ the sprawl out and makes for more
curb cuts, it doesn't reduce it. It also tend to fall before court
challenges that it constitute "checkbook zoning" and unfairly deny less
than median income people ownership. Since your local governmental unit
posts a revenue loss on every median-income family with children that
come to the area, more development is necessary to cover the increased
cost of services (schools, parks, police, etc.). `Round and `round it goes.
> Bah. My solution? Move to the suburbs - to hell with big-city-revenue
> mentality. It's worked pretty well so far. I'm long-since tired of
> the smog, crime and noise anyway. The rats won the race a long time
That pattern is well documented, though. Families flee congestion for
peace and quiet. Along with them comes strip malls, big box stores,
noise, congestion, polution, hooligans and crime. Lather, rinse, repeat.
>>Not exactly correct... To many drivers
>
> Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> occupant. Some logically consider this to be 'too many drivers', as
> you have. I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
Or, as seems barely likely to happen, raise the cost of driving to the
point where not everyone can afford to drive alone.
Bird flu might have the desired driver-reduction effect, if the
doomsayers are correct. Neither of us, of course, wishes to be part of
the "no longer driving or breathing" group.
> I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
And, of course, the cage drivers see it as too damned many trucks on the
road hauling cargo that should be in intermodal containers on a train.
It all depends on what irritates you.
> DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore. Worse, city planners
> are more concerned with tax revenue than with traffic problems, so
> they're all in favor of packing 'em in like sardines.
Well, there's also that pesky notion that property owners have some sort
of right to do pretty much whatever they want to turn the maximum buck
(again, it all depends on what irritates you). Extravagant lot size
minimums and setbacks simply ------ the sprawl out and makes for more
curb cuts, it doesn't reduce it. It also tend to fall before court
challenges that it constitute "checkbook zoning" and unfairly deny less
than median income people ownership. Since your local governmental unit
posts a revenue loss on every median-income family with children that
come to the area, more development is necessary to cover the increased
cost of services (schools, parks, police, etc.). `Round and `round it goes.
> Bah. My solution? Move to the suburbs - to hell with big-city-revenue
> mentality. It's worked pretty well so far. I'm long-since tired of
> the smog, crime and noise anyway. The rats won the race a long time
That pattern is well documented, though. Families flee congestion for
peace and quiet. Along with them comes strip malls, big box stores,
noise, congestion, polution, hooligans and crime. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
JD Adams wrote:
>>Not exactly correct... To many drivers
>
> Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> occupant. Some logically consider this to be 'too many drivers', as
> you have. I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
Or, as seems barely likely to happen, raise the cost of driving to the
point where not everyone can afford to drive alone.
Bird flu might have the desired driver-reduction effect, if the
doomsayers are correct. Neither of us, of course, wishes to be part of
the "no longer driving or breathing" group.
> I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
And, of course, the cage drivers see it as too damned many trucks on the
road hauling cargo that should be in intermodal containers on a train.
It all depends on what irritates you.
> DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore. Worse, city planners
> are more concerned with tax revenue than with traffic problems, so
> they're all in favor of packing 'em in like sardines.
Well, there's also that pesky notion that property owners have some sort
of right to do pretty much whatever they want to turn the maximum buck
(again, it all depends on what irritates you). Extravagant lot size
minimums and setbacks simply ------ the sprawl out and makes for more
curb cuts, it doesn't reduce it. It also tend to fall before court
challenges that it constitute "checkbook zoning" and unfairly deny less
than median income people ownership. Since your local governmental unit
posts a revenue loss on every median-income family with children that
come to the area, more development is necessary to cover the increased
cost of services (schools, parks, police, etc.). `Round and `round it goes.
> Bah. My solution? Move to the suburbs - to hell with big-city-revenue
> mentality. It's worked pretty well so far. I'm long-since tired of
> the smog, crime and noise anyway. The rats won the race a long time
That pattern is well documented, though. Families flee congestion for
peace and quiet. Along with them comes strip malls, big box stores,
noise, congestion, polution, hooligans and crime. Lather, rinse, repeat.
>>Not exactly correct... To many drivers
>
> Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> occupant. Some logically consider this to be 'too many drivers', as
> you have. I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
Or, as seems barely likely to happen, raise the cost of driving to the
point where not everyone can afford to drive alone.
Bird flu might have the desired driver-reduction effect, if the
doomsayers are correct. Neither of us, of course, wishes to be part of
the "no longer driving or breathing" group.
> I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
And, of course, the cage drivers see it as too damned many trucks on the
road hauling cargo that should be in intermodal containers on a train.
It all depends on what irritates you.
> DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore. Worse, city planners
> are more concerned with tax revenue than with traffic problems, so
> they're all in favor of packing 'em in like sardines.
Well, there's also that pesky notion that property owners have some sort
of right to do pretty much whatever they want to turn the maximum buck
(again, it all depends on what irritates you). Extravagant lot size
minimums and setbacks simply ------ the sprawl out and makes for more
curb cuts, it doesn't reduce it. It also tend to fall before court
challenges that it constitute "checkbook zoning" and unfairly deny less
than median income people ownership. Since your local governmental unit
posts a revenue loss on every median-income family with children that
come to the area, more development is necessary to cover the increased
cost of services (schools, parks, police, etc.). `Round and `round it goes.
> Bah. My solution? Move to the suburbs - to hell with big-city-revenue
> mentality. It's worked pretty well so far. I'm long-since tired of
> the smog, crime and noise anyway. The rats won the race a long time
That pattern is well documented, though. Families flee congestion for
peace and quiet. Along with them comes strip malls, big box stores,
noise, congestion, polution, hooligans and crime. Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1143508721.483943.81260@u72g2000cwu.googlegro ups.com...
> Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> occupant.
Although putting multiple people in the vehicles is great for commuting, for
the other uses of a car, it doesn't help much... Personally, I try to use
the appropriate vehicle for the job... If I need to go up to Home Depot for
some bulky stuff, I'll take my truck... It's not like I'm going to put 1000
lbs of bagged concrete in either of my Jeeps... If it's just for a small
item, I'll grab a backpack and ride my motorcycle...
> I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
I'm just not sure how much of a difference cutting the total number of cars
in half would really do... Most people that I know have at least 2 cars, but
they're not driven at the same time...
> I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
> DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore.
Living in the Houston area and having the priviledge of experiencing the 12
lane parking lots that we call expressways, I also wish there were less
vehicles on the roads, but I don't see a real solution to it... People want
the convenience of going where they want to go, when they want to do it...
Public transportation seldom gives them that convenience... I would like to
see more of the single occupant vehicles switch to motorcycles, but I won't
hold my breath waiting for it to happen... Bikes are great when the weather
is nice, but suck when it rains... Hell, even on dry days when it's 100F,
they're not all that great... I've gotten used to my air-conditioning and
when the weather gets around 98F with 95% humidity, the bike doesn't get
used that often... What I would like to see is some sort of enclosed single
occupant (or perhaps double occupant riding in tandem) vehicle based on an
ATV, but it would also have an air-conditioner... It would be small enough
that it could park straight in on parallel parking spots and as such, you
could fit 5 of them in the space of a normal 20 ft car... They would need
to be fast enough to handle the cases when traffic gets up to normal highway
speeds... This might be an issue since the shorter wheelbase vehicles can be
a bit twitchy at higher speeds... Squeezing an air-conditioner in this small
of a package might be difficult though... I think it could be done though...
If nothing else, you could create a seperate small engine that directly
powered the air-conditioning equipment and install it behind the driver...
Kind of like an APU driven air-conditioner, I guess...
Hell, as long as I'm spouting off about nice-to-haves, here's one... I want
a cruise control in my car that is voice activated... I want to be able to
say something like, "SPEED xx" and it adjust the speed appropriately for
that value... I think it would be great for driving through towns where the
speed limits change quite a bit (usually in an attempt by the local
government to increase their revenue)... It would also be great for when you
got distracted and forgot what the previous speed limit sign might have
said... Every time you see a speed limit sign, you just tell the controller
what to set itself to... And for those of us who consistantly add a few mphs
to the posted limits, you should be able to say whatever values you want,
not just ones divisible by 5... I hereby claim copywrite on this idea ask to
be acknowledged in any subsequent implementation...
news:1143508721.483943.81260@u72g2000cwu.googlegro ups.com...
> Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> occupant.
Although putting multiple people in the vehicles is great for commuting, for
the other uses of a car, it doesn't help much... Personally, I try to use
the appropriate vehicle for the job... If I need to go up to Home Depot for
some bulky stuff, I'll take my truck... It's not like I'm going to put 1000
lbs of bagged concrete in either of my Jeeps... If it's just for a small
item, I'll grab a backpack and ride my motorcycle...
> I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
I'm just not sure how much of a difference cutting the total number of cars
in half would really do... Most people that I know have at least 2 cars, but
they're not driven at the same time...
> I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
> DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore.
Living in the Houston area and having the priviledge of experiencing the 12
lane parking lots that we call expressways, I also wish there were less
vehicles on the roads, but I don't see a real solution to it... People want
the convenience of going where they want to go, when they want to do it...
Public transportation seldom gives them that convenience... I would like to
see more of the single occupant vehicles switch to motorcycles, but I won't
hold my breath waiting for it to happen... Bikes are great when the weather
is nice, but suck when it rains... Hell, even on dry days when it's 100F,
they're not all that great... I've gotten used to my air-conditioning and
when the weather gets around 98F with 95% humidity, the bike doesn't get
used that often... What I would like to see is some sort of enclosed single
occupant (or perhaps double occupant riding in tandem) vehicle based on an
ATV, but it would also have an air-conditioner... It would be small enough
that it could park straight in on parallel parking spots and as such, you
could fit 5 of them in the space of a normal 20 ft car... They would need
to be fast enough to handle the cases when traffic gets up to normal highway
speeds... This might be an issue since the shorter wheelbase vehicles can be
a bit twitchy at higher speeds... Squeezing an air-conditioner in this small
of a package might be difficult though... I think it could be done though...
If nothing else, you could create a seperate small engine that directly
powered the air-conditioning equipment and install it behind the driver...
Kind of like an APU driven air-conditioner, I guess...
Hell, as long as I'm spouting off about nice-to-haves, here's one... I want
a cruise control in my car that is voice activated... I want to be able to
say something like, "SPEED xx" and it adjust the speed appropriately for
that value... I think it would be great for driving through towns where the
speed limits change quite a bit (usually in an attempt by the local
government to increase their revenue)... It would also be great for when you
got distracted and forgot what the previous speed limit sign might have
said... Every time you see a speed limit sign, you just tell the controller
what to set itself to... And for those of us who consistantly add a few mphs
to the posted limits, you should be able to say whatever values you want,
not just ones divisible by 5... I hereby claim copywrite on this idea ask to
be acknowledged in any subsequent implementation...
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
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> Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> occupant.
Although putting multiple people in the vehicles is great for commuting, for
the other uses of a car, it doesn't help much... Personally, I try to use
the appropriate vehicle for the job... If I need to go up to Home Depot for
some bulky stuff, I'll take my truck... It's not like I'm going to put 1000
lbs of bagged concrete in either of my Jeeps... If it's just for a small
item, I'll grab a backpack and ride my motorcycle...
> I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
I'm just not sure how much of a difference cutting the total number of cars
in half would really do... Most people that I know have at least 2 cars, but
they're not driven at the same time...
> I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
> DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore.
Living in the Houston area and having the priviledge of experiencing the 12
lane parking lots that we call expressways, I also wish there were less
vehicles on the roads, but I don't see a real solution to it... People want
the convenience of going where they want to go, when they want to do it...
Public transportation seldom gives them that convenience... I would like to
see more of the single occupant vehicles switch to motorcycles, but I won't
hold my breath waiting for it to happen... Bikes are great when the weather
is nice, but suck when it rains... Hell, even on dry days when it's 100F,
they're not all that great... I've gotten used to my air-conditioning and
when the weather gets around 98F with 95% humidity, the bike doesn't get
used that often... What I would like to see is some sort of enclosed single
occupant (or perhaps double occupant riding in tandem) vehicle based on an
ATV, but it would also have an air-conditioner... It would be small enough
that it could park straight in on parallel parking spots and as such, you
could fit 5 of them in the space of a normal 20 ft car... They would need
to be fast enough to handle the cases when traffic gets up to normal highway
speeds... This might be an issue since the shorter wheelbase vehicles can be
a bit twitchy at higher speeds... Squeezing an air-conditioner in this small
of a package might be difficult though... I think it could be done though...
If nothing else, you could create a seperate small engine that directly
powered the air-conditioning equipment and install it behind the driver...
Kind of like an APU driven air-conditioner, I guess...
Hell, as long as I'm spouting off about nice-to-haves, here's one... I want
a cruise control in my car that is voice activated... I want to be able to
say something like, "SPEED xx" and it adjust the speed appropriately for
that value... I think it would be great for driving through towns where the
speed limits change quite a bit (usually in an attempt by the local
government to increase their revenue)... It would also be great for when you
got distracted and forgot what the previous speed limit sign might have
said... Every time you see a speed limit sign, you just tell the controller
what to set itself to... And for those of us who consistantly add a few mphs
to the posted limits, you should be able to say whatever values you want,
not just ones divisible by 5... I hereby claim copywrite on this idea ask to
be acknowledged in any subsequent implementation...
news:1143508721.483943.81260@u72g2000cwu.googlegro ups.com...
> Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> occupant.
Although putting multiple people in the vehicles is great for commuting, for
the other uses of a car, it doesn't help much... Personally, I try to use
the appropriate vehicle for the job... If I need to go up to Home Depot for
some bulky stuff, I'll take my truck... It's not like I'm going to put 1000
lbs of bagged concrete in either of my Jeeps... If it's just for a small
item, I'll grab a backpack and ride my motorcycle...
> I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
I'm just not sure how much of a difference cutting the total number of cars
in half would really do... Most people that I know have at least 2 cars, but
they're not driven at the same time...
> I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
> DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore.
Living in the Houston area and having the priviledge of experiencing the 12
lane parking lots that we call expressways, I also wish there were less
vehicles on the roads, but I don't see a real solution to it... People want
the convenience of going where they want to go, when they want to do it...
Public transportation seldom gives them that convenience... I would like to
see more of the single occupant vehicles switch to motorcycles, but I won't
hold my breath waiting for it to happen... Bikes are great when the weather
is nice, but suck when it rains... Hell, even on dry days when it's 100F,
they're not all that great... I've gotten used to my air-conditioning and
when the weather gets around 98F with 95% humidity, the bike doesn't get
used that often... What I would like to see is some sort of enclosed single
occupant (or perhaps double occupant riding in tandem) vehicle based on an
ATV, but it would also have an air-conditioner... It would be small enough
that it could park straight in on parallel parking spots and as such, you
could fit 5 of them in the space of a normal 20 ft car... They would need
to be fast enough to handle the cases when traffic gets up to normal highway
speeds... This might be an issue since the shorter wheelbase vehicles can be
a bit twitchy at higher speeds... Squeezing an air-conditioner in this small
of a package might be difficult though... I think it could be done though...
If nothing else, you could create a seperate small engine that directly
powered the air-conditioning equipment and install it behind the driver...
Kind of like an APU driven air-conditioner, I guess...
Hell, as long as I'm spouting off about nice-to-haves, here's one... I want
a cruise control in my car that is voice activated... I want to be able to
say something like, "SPEED xx" and it adjust the speed appropriately for
that value... I think it would be great for driving through towns where the
speed limits change quite a bit (usually in an attempt by the local
government to increase their revenue)... It would also be great for when you
got distracted and forgot what the previous speed limit sign might have
said... Every time you see a speed limit sign, you just tell the controller
what to set itself to... And for those of us who consistantly add a few mphs
to the posted limits, you should be able to say whatever values you want,
not just ones divisible by 5... I hereby claim copywrite on this idea ask to
be acknowledged in any subsequent implementation...
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
"JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
news:1143508721.483943.81260@u72g2000cwu.googlegro ups.com...
> Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> occupant.
Although putting multiple people in the vehicles is great for commuting, for
the other uses of a car, it doesn't help much... Personally, I try to use
the appropriate vehicle for the job... If I need to go up to Home Depot for
some bulky stuff, I'll take my truck... It's not like I'm going to put 1000
lbs of bagged concrete in either of my Jeeps... If it's just for a small
item, I'll grab a backpack and ride my motorcycle...
> I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
I'm just not sure how much of a difference cutting the total number of cars
in half would really do... Most people that I know have at least 2 cars, but
they're not driven at the same time...
> I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
> DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore.
Living in the Houston area and having the priviledge of experiencing the 12
lane parking lots that we call expressways, I also wish there were less
vehicles on the roads, but I don't see a real solution to it... People want
the convenience of going where they want to go, when they want to do it...
Public transportation seldom gives them that convenience... I would like to
see more of the single occupant vehicles switch to motorcycles, but I won't
hold my breath waiting for it to happen... Bikes are great when the weather
is nice, but suck when it rains... Hell, even on dry days when it's 100F,
they're not all that great... I've gotten used to my air-conditioning and
when the weather gets around 98F with 95% humidity, the bike doesn't get
used that often... What I would like to see is some sort of enclosed single
occupant (or perhaps double occupant riding in tandem) vehicle based on an
ATV, but it would also have an air-conditioner... It would be small enough
that it could park straight in on parallel parking spots and as such, you
could fit 5 of them in the space of a normal 20 ft car... They would need
to be fast enough to handle the cases when traffic gets up to normal highway
speeds... This might be an issue since the shorter wheelbase vehicles can be
a bit twitchy at higher speeds... Squeezing an air-conditioner in this small
of a package might be difficult though... I think it could be done though...
If nothing else, you could create a seperate small engine that directly
powered the air-conditioning equipment and install it behind the driver...
Kind of like an APU driven air-conditioner, I guess...
Hell, as long as I'm spouting off about nice-to-haves, here's one... I want
a cruise control in my car that is voice activated... I want to be able to
say something like, "SPEED xx" and it adjust the speed appropriately for
that value... I think it would be great for driving through towns where the
speed limits change quite a bit (usually in an attempt by the local
government to increase their revenue)... It would also be great for when you
got distracted and forgot what the previous speed limit sign might have
said... Every time you see a speed limit sign, you just tell the controller
what to set itself to... And for those of us who consistantly add a few mphs
to the posted limits, you should be able to say whatever values you want,
not just ones divisible by 5... I hereby claim copywrite on this idea ask to
be acknowledged in any subsequent implementation...
news:1143508721.483943.81260@u72g2000cwu.googlegro ups.com...
> Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> occupant.
Although putting multiple people in the vehicles is great for commuting, for
the other uses of a car, it doesn't help much... Personally, I try to use
the appropriate vehicle for the job... If I need to go up to Home Depot for
some bulky stuff, I'll take my truck... It's not like I'm going to put 1000
lbs of bagged concrete in either of my Jeeps... If it's just for a small
item, I'll grab a backpack and ride my motorcycle...
> I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
I'm just not sure how much of a difference cutting the total number of cars
in half would really do... Most people that I know have at least 2 cars, but
they're not driven at the same time...
> I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
> DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore.
Living in the Houston area and having the priviledge of experiencing the 12
lane parking lots that we call expressways, I also wish there were less
vehicles on the roads, but I don't see a real solution to it... People want
the convenience of going where they want to go, when they want to do it...
Public transportation seldom gives them that convenience... I would like to
see more of the single occupant vehicles switch to motorcycles, but I won't
hold my breath waiting for it to happen... Bikes are great when the weather
is nice, but suck when it rains... Hell, even on dry days when it's 100F,
they're not all that great... I've gotten used to my air-conditioning and
when the weather gets around 98F with 95% humidity, the bike doesn't get
used that often... What I would like to see is some sort of enclosed single
occupant (or perhaps double occupant riding in tandem) vehicle based on an
ATV, but it would also have an air-conditioner... It would be small enough
that it could park straight in on parallel parking spots and as such, you
could fit 5 of them in the space of a normal 20 ft car... They would need
to be fast enough to handle the cases when traffic gets up to normal highway
speeds... This might be an issue since the shorter wheelbase vehicles can be
a bit twitchy at higher speeds... Squeezing an air-conditioner in this small
of a package might be difficult though... I think it could be done though...
If nothing else, you could create a seperate small engine that directly
powered the air-conditioning equipment and install it behind the driver...
Kind of like an APU driven air-conditioner, I guess...
Hell, as long as I'm spouting off about nice-to-haves, here's one... I want
a cruise control in my car that is voice activated... I want to be able to
say something like, "SPEED xx" and it adjust the speed appropriately for
that value... I think it would be great for driving through towns where the
speed limits change quite a bit (usually in an attempt by the local
government to increase their revenue)... It would also be great for when you
got distracted and forgot what the previous speed limit sign might have
said... Every time you see a speed limit sign, you just tell the controller
what to set itself to... And for those of us who consistantly add a few mphs
to the posted limits, you should be able to say whatever values you want,
not just ones divisible by 5... I hereby claim copywrite on this idea ask to
be acknowledged in any subsequent implementation...
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
This is a start
http://earlehorton.tripod.com/smart/smartcar.jpg
Earle
"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
> news:1143508721.483943.81260@u72g2000cwu.googlegro ups.com...
> > Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> > occupant.
>
> Although putting multiple people in the vehicles is great for commuting,
for
> the other uses of a car, it doesn't help much... Personally, I try to use
> the appropriate vehicle for the job... If I need to go up to Home Depot
for
> some bulky stuff, I'll take my truck... It's not like I'm going to put
1000
> lbs of bagged concrete in either of my Jeeps... If it's just for a small
> item, I'll grab a backpack and ride my motorcycle...
>
> > I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> > of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> > altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> > we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
>
> I'm just not sure how much of a difference cutting the total number of
cars
> in half would really do... Most people that I know have at least 2 cars,
but
> they're not driven at the same time...
>
> > I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> > many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
> > DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> > any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore.
>
> Living in the Houston area and having the priviledge of experiencing the
12
> lane parking lots that we call expressways, I also wish there were less
> vehicles on the roads, but I don't see a real solution to it... People
want
> the convenience of going where they want to go, when they want to do it...
> Public transportation seldom gives them that convenience... I would like
to
> see more of the single occupant vehicles switch to motorcycles, but I
won't
> hold my breath waiting for it to happen... Bikes are great when the
weather
> is nice, but suck when it rains... Hell, even on dry days when it's 100F,
> they're not all that great... I've gotten used to my air-conditioning and
> when the weather gets around 98F with 95% humidity, the bike doesn't get
> used that often... What I would like to see is some sort of enclosed
single
> occupant (or perhaps double occupant riding in tandem) vehicle based on an
> ATV, but it would also have an air-conditioner... It would be small enough
> that it could park straight in on parallel parking spots and as such, you
> could fit 5 of them in the space of a normal 20 ft car... They would need
> to be fast enough to handle the cases when traffic gets up to normal
highway
> speeds... This might be an issue since the shorter wheelbase vehicles can
be
> a bit twitchy at higher speeds... Squeezing an air-conditioner in this
small
> of a package might be difficult though... I think it could be done
though...
> If nothing else, you could create a seperate small engine that directly
> powered the air-conditioning equipment and install it behind the driver...
> Kind of like an APU driven air-conditioner, I guess...
>
> Hell, as long as I'm spouting off about nice-to-haves, here's one... I
want
> a cruise control in my car that is voice activated... I want to be able to
> say something like, "SPEED xx" and it adjust the speed appropriately for
> that value... I think it would be great for driving through towns where
the
> speed limits change quite a bit (usually in an attempt by the local
> government to increase their revenue)... It would also be great for when
you
> got distracted and forgot what the previous speed limit sign might have
> said... Every time you see a speed limit sign, you just tell the
controller
> what to set itself to... And for those of us who consistantly add a few
mphs
> to the posted limits, you should be able to say whatever values you want,
> not just ones divisible by 5... I hereby claim copywrite on this idea ask
to
> be acknowledged in any subsequent implementation...
>
>
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"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
> news:1143508721.483943.81260@u72g2000cwu.googlegro ups.com...
> > Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> > occupant.
>
> Although putting multiple people in the vehicles is great for commuting,
for
> the other uses of a car, it doesn't help much... Personally, I try to use
> the appropriate vehicle for the job... If I need to go up to Home Depot
for
> some bulky stuff, I'll take my truck... It's not like I'm going to put
1000
> lbs of bagged concrete in either of my Jeeps... If it's just for a small
> item, I'll grab a backpack and ride my motorcycle...
>
> > I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> > of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> > altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> > we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
>
> I'm just not sure how much of a difference cutting the total number of
cars
> in half would really do... Most people that I know have at least 2 cars,
but
> they're not driven at the same time...
>
> > I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> > many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
> > DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> > any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore.
>
> Living in the Houston area and having the priviledge of experiencing the
12
> lane parking lots that we call expressways, I also wish there were less
> vehicles on the roads, but I don't see a real solution to it... People
want
> the convenience of going where they want to go, when they want to do it...
> Public transportation seldom gives them that convenience... I would like
to
> see more of the single occupant vehicles switch to motorcycles, but I
won't
> hold my breath waiting for it to happen... Bikes are great when the
weather
> is nice, but suck when it rains... Hell, even on dry days when it's 100F,
> they're not all that great... I've gotten used to my air-conditioning and
> when the weather gets around 98F with 95% humidity, the bike doesn't get
> used that often... What I would like to see is some sort of enclosed
single
> occupant (or perhaps double occupant riding in tandem) vehicle based on an
> ATV, but it would also have an air-conditioner... It would be small enough
> that it could park straight in on parallel parking spots and as such, you
> could fit 5 of them in the space of a normal 20 ft car... They would need
> to be fast enough to handle the cases when traffic gets up to normal
highway
> speeds... This might be an issue since the shorter wheelbase vehicles can
be
> a bit twitchy at higher speeds... Squeezing an air-conditioner in this
small
> of a package might be difficult though... I think it could be done
though...
> If nothing else, you could create a seperate small engine that directly
> powered the air-conditioning equipment and install it behind the driver...
> Kind of like an APU driven air-conditioner, I guess...
>
> Hell, as long as I'm spouting off about nice-to-haves, here's one... I
want
> a cruise control in my car that is voice activated... I want to be able to
> say something like, "SPEED xx" and it adjust the speed appropriately for
> that value... I think it would be great for driving through towns where
the
> speed limits change quite a bit (usually in an attempt by the local
> government to increase their revenue)... It would also be great for when
you
> got distracted and forgot what the previous speed limit sign might have
> said... Every time you see a speed limit sign, you just tell the
controller
> what to set itself to... And for those of us who consistantly add a few
mphs
> to the posted limits, you should be able to say whatever values you want,
> not just ones divisible by 5... I hereby claim copywrite on this idea ask
to
> be acknowledged in any subsequent implementation...
>
>
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Re: E-10 Gasoline The New Standard April 1st
This is a start
http://earlehorton.tripod.com/smart/smartcar.jpg
Earle
"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
> news:1143508721.483943.81260@u72g2000cwu.googlegro ups.com...
> > Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> > occupant.
>
> Although putting multiple people in the vehicles is great for commuting,
for
> the other uses of a car, it doesn't help much... Personally, I try to use
> the appropriate vehicle for the job... If I need to go up to Home Depot
for
> some bulky stuff, I'll take my truck... It's not like I'm going to put
1000
> lbs of bagged concrete in either of my Jeeps... If it's just for a small
> item, I'll grab a backpack and ride my motorcycle...
>
> > I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> > of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> > altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> > we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
>
> I'm just not sure how much of a difference cutting the total number of
cars
> in half would really do... Most people that I know have at least 2 cars,
but
> they're not driven at the same time...
>
> > I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> > many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
> > DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> > any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore.
>
> Living in the Houston area and having the priviledge of experiencing the
12
> lane parking lots that we call expressways, I also wish there were less
> vehicles on the roads, but I don't see a real solution to it... People
want
> the convenience of going where they want to go, when they want to do it...
> Public transportation seldom gives them that convenience... I would like
to
> see more of the single occupant vehicles switch to motorcycles, but I
won't
> hold my breath waiting for it to happen... Bikes are great when the
weather
> is nice, but suck when it rains... Hell, even on dry days when it's 100F,
> they're not all that great... I've gotten used to my air-conditioning and
> when the weather gets around 98F with 95% humidity, the bike doesn't get
> used that often... What I would like to see is some sort of enclosed
single
> occupant (or perhaps double occupant riding in tandem) vehicle based on an
> ATV, but it would also have an air-conditioner... It would be small enough
> that it could park straight in on parallel parking spots and as such, you
> could fit 5 of them in the space of a normal 20 ft car... They would need
> to be fast enough to handle the cases when traffic gets up to normal
highway
> speeds... This might be an issue since the shorter wheelbase vehicles can
be
> a bit twitchy at higher speeds... Squeezing an air-conditioner in this
small
> of a package might be difficult though... I think it could be done
though...
> If nothing else, you could create a seperate small engine that directly
> powered the air-conditioning equipment and install it behind the driver...
> Kind of like an APU driven air-conditioner, I guess...
>
> Hell, as long as I'm spouting off about nice-to-haves, here's one... I
want
> a cruise control in my car that is voice activated... I want to be able to
> say something like, "SPEED xx" and it adjust the speed appropriately for
> that value... I think it would be great for driving through towns where
the
> speed limits change quite a bit (usually in an attempt by the local
> government to increase their revenue)... It would also be great for when
you
> got distracted and forgot what the previous speed limit sign might have
> said... Every time you see a speed limit sign, you just tell the
controller
> what to set itself to... And for those of us who consistantly add a few
mphs
> to the posted limits, you should be able to say whatever values you want,
> not just ones divisible by 5... I hereby claim copywrite on this idea ask
to
> be acknowledged in any subsequent implementation...
>
>
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"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
> news:1143508721.483943.81260@u72g2000cwu.googlegro ups.com...
> > Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> > occupant.
>
> Although putting multiple people in the vehicles is great for commuting,
for
> the other uses of a car, it doesn't help much... Personally, I try to use
> the appropriate vehicle for the job... If I need to go up to Home Depot
for
> some bulky stuff, I'll take my truck... It's not like I'm going to put
1000
> lbs of bagged concrete in either of my Jeeps... If it's just for a small
> item, I'll grab a backpack and ride my motorcycle...
>
> > I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> > of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> > altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> > we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
>
> I'm just not sure how much of a difference cutting the total number of
cars
> in half would really do... Most people that I know have at least 2 cars,
but
> they're not driven at the same time...
>
> > I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> > many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
> > DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> > any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore.
>
> Living in the Houston area and having the priviledge of experiencing the
12
> lane parking lots that we call expressways, I also wish there were less
> vehicles on the roads, but I don't see a real solution to it... People
want
> the convenience of going where they want to go, when they want to do it...
> Public transportation seldom gives them that convenience... I would like
to
> see more of the single occupant vehicles switch to motorcycles, but I
won't
> hold my breath waiting for it to happen... Bikes are great when the
weather
> is nice, but suck when it rains... Hell, even on dry days when it's 100F,
> they're not all that great... I've gotten used to my air-conditioning and
> when the weather gets around 98F with 95% humidity, the bike doesn't get
> used that often... What I would like to see is some sort of enclosed
single
> occupant (or perhaps double occupant riding in tandem) vehicle based on an
> ATV, but it would also have an air-conditioner... It would be small enough
> that it could park straight in on parallel parking spots and as such, you
> could fit 5 of them in the space of a normal 20 ft car... They would need
> to be fast enough to handle the cases when traffic gets up to normal
highway
> speeds... This might be an issue since the shorter wheelbase vehicles can
be
> a bit twitchy at higher speeds... Squeezing an air-conditioner in this
small
> of a package might be difficult though... I think it could be done
though...
> If nothing else, you could create a seperate small engine that directly
> powered the air-conditioning equipment and install it behind the driver...
> Kind of like an APU driven air-conditioner, I guess...
>
> Hell, as long as I'm spouting off about nice-to-haves, here's one... I
want
> a cruise control in my car that is voice activated... I want to be able to
> say something like, "SPEED xx" and it adjust the speed appropriately for
> that value... I think it would be great for driving through towns where
the
> speed limits change quite a bit (usually in an attempt by the local
> government to increase their revenue)... It would also be great for when
you
> got distracted and forgot what the previous speed limit sign might have
> said... Every time you see a speed limit sign, you just tell the
controller
> what to set itself to... And for those of us who consistantly add a few
mphs
> to the posted limits, you should be able to say whatever values you want,
> not just ones divisible by 5... I hereby claim copywrite on this idea ask
to
> be acknowledged in any subsequent implementation...
>
>
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This is a start
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Earle
"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
> news:1143508721.483943.81260@u72g2000cwu.googlegro ups.com...
> > Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> > occupant.
>
> Although putting multiple people in the vehicles is great for commuting,
for
> the other uses of a car, it doesn't help much... Personally, I try to use
> the appropriate vehicle for the job... If I need to go up to Home Depot
for
> some bulky stuff, I'll take my truck... It's not like I'm going to put
1000
> lbs of bagged concrete in either of my Jeeps... If it's just for a small
> item, I'll grab a backpack and ride my motorcycle...
>
> > I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> > of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> > altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> > we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
>
> I'm just not sure how much of a difference cutting the total number of
cars
> in half would really do... Most people that I know have at least 2 cars,
but
> they're not driven at the same time...
>
> > I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> > many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
> > DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> > any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore.
>
> Living in the Houston area and having the priviledge of experiencing the
12
> lane parking lots that we call expressways, I also wish there were less
> vehicles on the roads, but I don't see a real solution to it... People
want
> the convenience of going where they want to go, when they want to do it...
> Public transportation seldom gives them that convenience... I would like
to
> see more of the single occupant vehicles switch to motorcycles, but I
won't
> hold my breath waiting for it to happen... Bikes are great when the
weather
> is nice, but suck when it rains... Hell, even on dry days when it's 100F,
> they're not all that great... I've gotten used to my air-conditioning and
> when the weather gets around 98F with 95% humidity, the bike doesn't get
> used that often... What I would like to see is some sort of enclosed
single
> occupant (or perhaps double occupant riding in tandem) vehicle based on an
> ATV, but it would also have an air-conditioner... It would be small enough
> that it could park straight in on parallel parking spots and as such, you
> could fit 5 of them in the space of a normal 20 ft car... They would need
> to be fast enough to handle the cases when traffic gets up to normal
highway
> speeds... This might be an issue since the shorter wheelbase vehicles can
be
> a bit twitchy at higher speeds... Squeezing an air-conditioner in this
small
> of a package might be difficult though... I think it could be done
though...
> If nothing else, you could create a seperate small engine that directly
> powered the air-conditioning equipment and install it behind the driver...
> Kind of like an APU driven air-conditioner, I guess...
>
> Hell, as long as I'm spouting off about nice-to-haves, here's one... I
want
> a cruise control in my car that is voice activated... I want to be able to
> say something like, "SPEED xx" and it adjust the speed appropriately for
> that value... I think it would be great for driving through towns where
the
> speed limits change quite a bit (usually in an attempt by the local
> government to increase their revenue)... It would also be great for when
you
> got distracted and forgot what the previous speed limit sign might have
> said... Every time you see a speed limit sign, you just tell the
controller
> what to set itself to... And for those of us who consistantly add a few
mphs
> to the posted limits, you should be able to say whatever values you want,
> not just ones divisible by 5... I hereby claim copywrite on this idea ask
to
> be acknowledged in any subsequent implementation...
>
>
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Earle
"Grumman-581" <grumman581@DIE-SPAMMER-SCUM@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "JD Adams" <JDAdams@Softcom.Net> wrote in message
> news:1143508721.483943.81260@u72g2000cwu.googlegro ups.com...
> > Well, perhaps I should have clarified: too many cars with a single
> > occupant.
>
> Although putting multiple people in the vehicles is great for commuting,
for
> the other uses of a car, it doesn't help much... Personally, I try to use
> the appropriate vehicle for the job... If I need to go up to Home Depot
for
> some bulky stuff, I'll take my truck... It's not like I'm going to put
1000
> lbs of bagged concrete in either of my Jeeps... If it's just for a small
> item, I'll grab a backpack and ride my motorcycle...
>
> > I see it from the ***-end of the logic chain: cut the number
> > of cars in half and you eliminate the 'too many drivers' problem
> > altogether. We both know what the problem is and we're both right;
> > we're just seeing it from differing perspectives.
>
> I'm just not sure how much of a difference cutting the total number of
cars
> in half would really do... Most people that I know have at least 2 cars,
but
> they're not driven at the same time...
>
> > I see this from a trucker's point of view. There are just too damn
> > many cars on the road that don't need to be there. Everyone and their
> > DOG drives (not owns!) a car these days, and we're not doing ourselves
> > any favors by driving somewhere alone anymore.
>
> Living in the Houston area and having the priviledge of experiencing the
12
> lane parking lots that we call expressways, I also wish there were less
> vehicles on the roads, but I don't see a real solution to it... People
want
> the convenience of going where they want to go, when they want to do it...
> Public transportation seldom gives them that convenience... I would like
to
> see more of the single occupant vehicles switch to motorcycles, but I
won't
> hold my breath waiting for it to happen... Bikes are great when the
weather
> is nice, but suck when it rains... Hell, even on dry days when it's 100F,
> they're not all that great... I've gotten used to my air-conditioning and
> when the weather gets around 98F with 95% humidity, the bike doesn't get
> used that often... What I would like to see is some sort of enclosed
single
> occupant (or perhaps double occupant riding in tandem) vehicle based on an
> ATV, but it would also have an air-conditioner... It would be small enough
> that it could park straight in on parallel parking spots and as such, you
> could fit 5 of them in the space of a normal 20 ft car... They would need
> to be fast enough to handle the cases when traffic gets up to normal
highway
> speeds... This might be an issue since the shorter wheelbase vehicles can
be
> a bit twitchy at higher speeds... Squeezing an air-conditioner in this
small
> of a package might be difficult though... I think it could be done
though...
> If nothing else, you could create a seperate small engine that directly
> powered the air-conditioning equipment and install it behind the driver...
> Kind of like an APU driven air-conditioner, I guess...
>
> Hell, as long as I'm spouting off about nice-to-haves, here's one... I
want
> a cruise control in my car that is voice activated... I want to be able to
> say something like, "SPEED xx" and it adjust the speed appropriately for
> that value... I think it would be great for driving through towns where
the
> speed limits change quite a bit (usually in an attempt by the local
> government to increase their revenue)... It would also be great for when
you
> got distracted and forgot what the previous speed limit sign might have
> said... Every time you see a speed limit sign, you just tell the
controller
> what to set itself to... And for those of us who consistantly add a few
mphs
> to the posted limits, you should be able to say whatever values you want,
> not just ones divisible by 5... I hereby claim copywrite on this idea ask
to
> be acknowledged in any subsequent implementation...
>
>
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