In the Midwest US we have had 10% ethanol most brands of gasoline for ...
15-20 years. Marathon based in Findley Ohio was that last one that used to
advertise they sold "100% gasoline" but I do not recall seeing those signs
for a long time so I will assume that it is gasohol also.

Back when it first was being introduced there was controversy just like we
are having here about drivability and deterioration of rubber parts.

The aftermarket auto parts companies were quick to jump in with 'new and
improved' components that were gasohol safe and I'm assuming that all
'modernly' produced fuel system parts are fully compatible.

There was a time when all the vehicle engines ran poorly... well... longer
than a time as it was 10-15 years but I think most of that can be attributed
to the manufacturers adopting the least expensive way to meet environmental
regulations rather than using a more efficient but also more expensive
option.


"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4427F792.F5E86BAE@sympatico.ca...
> That means I guess one next project will to put an engine in that can
> burn the crap so I can keep my power level up.
>
> A V8 that burns the crap might give me as much power as I have now with
> my 258 on 'real' gas eh. Maybe the same 'gas' mileage too seeing as my
> old Chevy 350 got 18 mpg or so and that crap mix drops my 258's mileage
> 'way' down.
>
> Mike
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>>
>> E-5, not E-10. See:
>> <URL:http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/infores/releases/2005/100507.html>
>>
>> Mike Romain wrote:
>> > No joke unfortunately. They are talking about mandating alcohol in
>> > fuel
>> > in Canada too or at least in Ontario in the next couple years.
>> >
>> > It is total -------- about the older engines. The crap eats gas lines,
>> > the carb float needles go bad and I lose over 25% in mileage and have
>> > no power over 60 mph when I run alcohol mix. Even my owners manual
>> > states 'not' to use the junk.
>> >
>> > I mean I go from over 350 miles per tank of gas down to 250 miles at
>> > best with alcohol mix.
>> >
>> > Great stuff, it is more expensive and we use Way more of it when mixed.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>> >
>> > Coasty wrote:
>> >
>> >>Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I
>> >>was
>> >>listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will be
>> >>E-10
>> >>(10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
>> >>the
>> >>new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for older
>> >>autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
>> >>will
>> >>break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you
>> >>notice
>> >>your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
>> >>
>> >>Coasty

 

What are the emissions laws like where you live? Where I live you could get
away with any type of engine transplant, but where Bill lives probably not.
Maybe, a 4.0 would be less trouble all around than a V8.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4427F792.F5E86BAE@sympatico.ca...
> That means I guess one next project will to put an engine in that can
> burn the crap so I can keep my power level up.
>
> A V8 that burns the crap might give me as much power as I have now with
> my 258 on 'real' gas eh. Maybe the same 'gas' mileage too seeing as my
> old Chevy 350 got 18 mpg or so and that crap mix drops my 258's mileage
> 'way' down.
>
> Mike
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > E-5, not E-10. See:
> >
<URL:http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/infores/releases/2005/100507.html>
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > No joke unfortunately. They are talking about mandating alcohol in
fuel
> > > in Canada too or at least in Ontario in the next couple years.
> > >
> > > It is total -------- about the older engines. The crap eats gas
lines,
> > > the carb float needles go bad and I lose over 25% in mileage and have
> > > no power over 60 mph when I run alcohol mix. Even my owners manual
> > > states 'not' to use the junk.
> > >
> > > I mean I go from over 350 miles per tank of gas down to 250 miles at
> > > best with alcohol mix.
> > >
> > > Great stuff, it is more expensive and we use Way more of it when
mixed.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Coasty wrote:
> > >
> > >>Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I
was
> > >>listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will
be E-10
> > >>(10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
the
> > >>new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for
older
> > >>autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
will
> > >>break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you
notice
> > >>your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
> > >>
> > >>Coasty


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What are the emissions laws like where you live? Where I live you could get
away with any type of engine transplant, but where Bill lives probably not.
Maybe, a 4.0 would be less trouble all around than a V8.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4427F792.F5E86BAE@sympatico.ca...
> That means I guess one next project will to put an engine in that can
> burn the crap so I can keep my power level up.
>
> A V8 that burns the crap might give me as much power as I have now with
> my 258 on 'real' gas eh. Maybe the same 'gas' mileage too seeing as my
> old Chevy 350 got 18 mpg or so and that crap mix drops my 258's mileage
> 'way' down.
>
> Mike
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > E-5, not E-10. See:
> >
<URL:http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/infores/releases/2005/100507.html>
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > No joke unfortunately. They are talking about mandating alcohol in
fuel
> > > in Canada too or at least in Ontario in the next couple years.
> > >
> > > It is total -------- about the older engines. The crap eats gas
lines,
> > > the carb float needles go bad and I lose over 25% in mileage and have
> > > no power over 60 mph when I run alcohol mix. Even my owners manual
> > > states 'not' to use the junk.
> > >
> > > I mean I go from over 350 miles per tank of gas down to 250 miles at
> > > best with alcohol mix.
> > >
> > > Great stuff, it is more expensive and we use Way more of it when
mixed.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Coasty wrote:
> > >
> > >>Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I
was
> > >>listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will
be E-10
> > >>(10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
the
> > >>new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for
older
> > >>autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
will
> > >>break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you
notice
> > >>your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
> > >>
> > >>Coasty


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What are the emissions laws like where you live? Where I live you could get
away with any type of engine transplant, but where Bill lives probably not.
Maybe, a 4.0 would be less trouble all around than a V8.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4427F792.F5E86BAE@sympatico.ca...
> That means I guess one next project will to put an engine in that can
> burn the crap so I can keep my power level up.
>
> A V8 that burns the crap might give me as much power as I have now with
> my 258 on 'real' gas eh. Maybe the same 'gas' mileage too seeing as my
> old Chevy 350 got 18 mpg or so and that crap mix drops my 258's mileage
> 'way' down.
>
> Mike
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> >
> > E-5, not E-10. See:
> >
<URL:http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/infores/releases/2005/100507.html>
> >
> > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > No joke unfortunately. They are talking about mandating alcohol in
fuel
> > > in Canada too or at least in Ontario in the next couple years.
> > >
> > > It is total -------- about the older engines. The crap eats gas
lines,
> > > the carb float needles go bad and I lose over 25% in mileage and have
> > > no power over 60 mph when I run alcohol mix. Even my owners manual
> > > states 'not' to use the junk.
> > >
> > > I mean I go from over 350 miles per tank of gas down to 250 miles at
> > > best with alcohol mix.
> > >
> > > Great stuff, it is more expensive and we use Way more of it when
mixed.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Coasty wrote:
> > >
> > >>Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I
was
> > >>listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will
be E-10
> > >>(10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
the
> > >>new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for
older
> > >>autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
will
> > >>break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you
notice
> > >>your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
> > >>
> > >>Coasty


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I am in Canada and am now exempt from emissions because of age. I think
I would have had to pass either the year of the engine or the vehicle
year's test, but we have a 'hot rod' class that covers that. The new
rules might say the engine has to be an 86 or newer, but....

Like my CJ7 as a utility vehicle, did not come with a cat converter so I
didn't need it. I also dumped the computer out, but left the important
things like the air filter flapper, egr and pcv systems working.

My last emissions test was using 91 octane esso gas, and the above setup
with no emissions computer or cat converter and I got on the ASM 2525
test, 589 NOx, 16 ppm HC, and 0.11% CO. Not too shabby....

I do like 350's.....

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> What are the emissions laws like where you live? Where I live you could get
> away with any type of engine transplant, but where Bill lives probably not.
> Maybe, a 4.0 would be less trouble all around than a V8.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4427F792.F5E86BAE@sympatico.ca...
> > That means I guess one next project will to put an engine in that can
> > burn the crap so I can keep my power level up.
> >
> > A V8 that burns the crap might give me as much power as I have now with
> > my 258 on 'real' gas eh. Maybe the same 'gas' mileage too seeing as my
> > old Chevy 350 got 18 mpg or so and that crap mix drops my 258's mileage
> > 'way' down.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > E-5, not E-10. See:
> > >
> <URL:http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/infores/releases/2005/100507.html>
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > No joke unfortunately. They are talking about mandating alcohol in
> fuel
> > > > in Canada too or at least in Ontario in the next couple years.
> > > >
> > > > It is total -------- about the older engines. The crap eats gas
> lines,
> > > > the carb float needles go bad and I lose over 25% in mileage and have
> > > > no power over 60 mph when I run alcohol mix. Even my owners manual
> > > > states 'not' to use the junk.
> > > >
> > > > I mean I go from over 350 miles per tank of gas down to 250 miles at
> > > > best with alcohol mix.
> > > >
> > > > Great stuff, it is more expensive and we use Way more of it when
> mixed.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > > >
> > > > Coasty wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I
> was
> > > >>listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will
> be E-10
> > > >>(10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
> the
> > > >>new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for
> older
> > > >>autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
> will
> > > >>break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you
> notice
> > > >>your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
> > > >>
> > > >>Coasty
>
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I am in Canada and am now exempt from emissions because of age. I think
I would have had to pass either the year of the engine or the vehicle
year's test, but we have a 'hot rod' class that covers that. The new
rules might say the engine has to be an 86 or newer, but....

Like my CJ7 as a utility vehicle, did not come with a cat converter so I
didn't need it. I also dumped the computer out, but left the important
things like the air filter flapper, egr and pcv systems working.

My last emissions test was using 91 octane esso gas, and the above setup
with no emissions computer or cat converter and I got on the ASM 2525
test, 589 NOx, 16 ppm HC, and 0.11% CO. Not too shabby....

I do like 350's.....

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> What are the emissions laws like where you live? Where I live you could get
> away with any type of engine transplant, but where Bill lives probably not.
> Maybe, a 4.0 would be less trouble all around than a V8.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4427F792.F5E86BAE@sympatico.ca...
> > That means I guess one next project will to put an engine in that can
> > burn the crap so I can keep my power level up.
> >
> > A V8 that burns the crap might give me as much power as I have now with
> > my 258 on 'real' gas eh. Maybe the same 'gas' mileage too seeing as my
> > old Chevy 350 got 18 mpg or so and that crap mix drops my 258's mileage
> > 'way' down.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > E-5, not E-10. See:
> > >
> <URL:http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/infores/releases/2005/100507.html>
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > No joke unfortunately. They are talking about mandating alcohol in
> fuel
> > > > in Canada too or at least in Ontario in the next couple years.
> > > >
> > > > It is total -------- about the older engines. The crap eats gas
> lines,
> > > > the carb float needles go bad and I lose over 25% in mileage and have
> > > > no power over 60 mph when I run alcohol mix. Even my owners manual
> > > > states 'not' to use the junk.
> > > >
> > > > I mean I go from over 350 miles per tank of gas down to 250 miles at
> > > > best with alcohol mix.
> > > >
> > > > Great stuff, it is more expensive and we use Way more of it when
> mixed.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > > >
> > > > Coasty wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I
> was
> > > >>listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will
> be E-10
> > > >>(10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
> the
> > > >>new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for
> older
> > > >>autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
> will
> > > >>break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you
> notice
> > > >>your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
> > > >>
> > > >>Coasty
>
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I am in Canada and am now exempt from emissions because of age. I think
I would have had to pass either the year of the engine or the vehicle
year's test, but we have a 'hot rod' class that covers that. The new
rules might say the engine has to be an 86 or newer, but....

Like my CJ7 as a utility vehicle, did not come with a cat converter so I
didn't need it. I also dumped the computer out, but left the important
things like the air filter flapper, egr and pcv systems working.

My last emissions test was using 91 octane esso gas, and the above setup
with no emissions computer or cat converter and I got on the ASM 2525
test, 589 NOx, 16 ppm HC, and 0.11% CO. Not too shabby....

I do like 350's.....

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> What are the emissions laws like where you live? Where I live you could get
> away with any type of engine transplant, but where Bill lives probably not.
> Maybe, a 4.0 would be less trouble all around than a V8.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4427F792.F5E86BAE@sympatico.ca...
> > That means I guess one next project will to put an engine in that can
> > burn the crap so I can keep my power level up.
> >
> > A V8 that burns the crap might give me as much power as I have now with
> > my 258 on 'real' gas eh. Maybe the same 'gas' mileage too seeing as my
> > old Chevy 350 got 18 mpg or so and that crap mix drops my 258's mileage
> > 'way' down.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > >
> > > E-5, not E-10. See:
> > >
> <URL:http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/infores/releases/2005/100507.html>
> > >
> > > Mike Romain wrote:
> > > > No joke unfortunately. They are talking about mandating alcohol in
> fuel
> > > > in Canada too or at least in Ontario in the next couple years.
> > > >
> > > > It is total -------- about the older engines. The crap eats gas
> lines,
> > > > the carb float needles go bad and I lose over 25% in mileage and have
> > > > no power over 60 mph when I run alcohol mix. Even my owners manual
> > > > states 'not' to use the junk.
> > > >
> > > > I mean I go from over 350 miles per tank of gas down to 250 miles at
> > > > best with alcohol mix.
> > > >
> > > > Great stuff, it is more expensive and we use Way more of it when
> mixed.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > > >
> > > > Coasty wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>Well, I must have been under a rock or in lala land to miss this. I
> was
> > > >>listening to Goss' Garage today and April 1st 2006 all gasoline will
> be E-10
> > > >>(10% ethanol) which replaces the current MTBE additive. Pat discussed
> the
> > > >>new stuff at length and basically stated it will be fine even for
> older
> > > >>autos. He said that in older autos the ethanol is a super cleaner and
> will
> > > >>break lose all kinds of stuff in the fuel system. He said if you
> notice
> > > >>your auto running really crapy just change the fuel filter.
> > > >>
> > > >>Coasty
>
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B A R R Y wrote:
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
>> Individual states are free to continue to require oxygenate additives,
>> it is just that the Feds won't require it. Connecticut, my home
>> state, has used 5% ethanol for its RFG for several years.
>
> I also live in CT, and haven't seen a pump without a "Contains 10%
> Ethanol" sticker for some time. Are you sure the RFG is only 5%?

Until you asked, yes I was. I'll be tanking up today, I'll check the
pump sticker then.

 

B A R R Y wrote:
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
>> Individual states are free to continue to require oxygenate additives,
>> it is just that the Feds won't require it. Connecticut, my home
>> state, has used 5% ethanol for its RFG for several years.
>
> I also live in CT, and haven't seen a pump without a "Contains 10%
> Ethanol" sticker for some time. Are you sure the RFG is only 5%?

Until you asked, yes I was. I'll be tanking up today, I'll check the
pump sticker then.

 

B A R R Y wrote:
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
>> Individual states are free to continue to require oxygenate additives,
>> it is just that the Feds won't require it. Connecticut, my home
>> state, has used 5% ethanol for its RFG for several years.
>
> I also live in CT, and haven't seen a pump without a "Contains 10%
> Ethanol" sticker for some time. Are you sure the RFG is only 5%?

Until you asked, yes I was. I'll be tanking up today, I'll check the
pump sticker then.