Dropping MPG
10-09-2006, 11:08 PM
#51
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Re: Dropping MPG
Hi Doug,
I found what you sent me with the excel you said:
http://www.----------.com/temp/dougGasMinder.jpg I just wanted to remind
everyone this is the only way you may accurately compute your mileage as
we can see due to probably the fill, angle you weren't able to complete
fill a couple times.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
DougW wrote:
>
> Not a real detailed log, unless I'm driving on buisness. I use
> excel to keep track of milage and maintenance.
I found what you sent me with the excel you said:
http://www.----------.com/temp/dougGasMinder.jpg I just wanted to remind
everyone this is the only way you may accurately compute your mileage as
we can see due to probably the fill, angle you weren't able to complete
fill a couple times.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
DougW wrote:
>
> Not a real detailed log, unless I'm driving on buisness. I use
> excel to keep track of milage and maintenance.
10-09-2006, 11:08 PM
#52
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Re: Dropping MPG
Hi Doug,
I found what you sent me with the excel you said:
http://www.----------.com/temp/dougGasMinder.jpg I just wanted to remind
everyone this is the only way you may accurately compute your mileage as
we can see due to probably the fill, angle you weren't able to complete
fill a couple times.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
DougW wrote:
>
> Not a real detailed log, unless I'm driving on buisness. I use
> excel to keep track of milage and maintenance.
I found what you sent me with the excel you said:
http://www.----------.com/temp/dougGasMinder.jpg I just wanted to remind
everyone this is the only way you may accurately compute your mileage as
we can see due to probably the fill, angle you weren't able to complete
fill a couple times.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
DougW wrote:
>
> Not a real detailed log, unless I'm driving on buisness. I use
> excel to keep track of milage and maintenance.
10-09-2006, 11:16 PM
#53
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Re: Dropping MPG
Hi Kevin,
More than likely you have been switch to ten percent alcohol, check
the small print at the bottom of your pumps.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
K-tron wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input folks, here is some more info. Yes my area does
> switch to a 'winter' blend but not for another month or so. No I do
> not use an alcohol blend of fuel ( E85 is just WRONG!! ). The brand
> and grade of fuel are the same. I calculate my MPG manually and
> compare that figure with the on-board smarts, the difference is less
> than 0.1 MPG so that doesn't account for an 8 MPG drop .
>
> The engine temp when hot is 140 C or about 195 F, I wouldn't think
> that this is too cold but I could be wrong. It is at temp after 4 or 5
> minutes.
>
> The only other thing I did was to change the plugs, the NGKs I took
> out appeared to be running OKish ( #6 seemed a bit rich) but the gap
> was over .060 ! . I have checked all electrical plugs and connectors
> just in case I accidentally disconnected something but all were OK.
>
> Kevin
More than likely you have been switch to ten percent alcohol, check
the small print at the bottom of your pumps.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
K-tron wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input folks, here is some more info. Yes my area does
> switch to a 'winter' blend but not for another month or so. No I do
> not use an alcohol blend of fuel ( E85 is just WRONG!! ). The brand
> and grade of fuel are the same. I calculate my MPG manually and
> compare that figure with the on-board smarts, the difference is less
> than 0.1 MPG so that doesn't account for an 8 MPG drop .
>
> The engine temp when hot is 140 C or about 195 F, I wouldn't think
> that this is too cold but I could be wrong. It is at temp after 4 or 5
> minutes.
>
> The only other thing I did was to change the plugs, the NGKs I took
> out appeared to be running OKish ( #6 seemed a bit rich) but the gap
> was over .060 ! . I have checked all electrical plugs and connectors
> just in case I accidentally disconnected something but all were OK.
>
> Kevin
10-09-2006, 11:16 PM
#54
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Re: Dropping MPG
Hi Kevin,
More than likely you have been switch to ten percent alcohol, check
the small print at the bottom of your pumps.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
K-tron wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input folks, here is some more info. Yes my area does
> switch to a 'winter' blend but not for another month or so. No I do
> not use an alcohol blend of fuel ( E85 is just WRONG!! ). The brand
> and grade of fuel are the same. I calculate my MPG manually and
> compare that figure with the on-board smarts, the difference is less
> than 0.1 MPG so that doesn't account for an 8 MPG drop .
>
> The engine temp when hot is 140 C or about 195 F, I wouldn't think
> that this is too cold but I could be wrong. It is at temp after 4 or 5
> minutes.
>
> The only other thing I did was to change the plugs, the NGKs I took
> out appeared to be running OKish ( #6 seemed a bit rich) but the gap
> was over .060 ! . I have checked all electrical plugs and connectors
> just in case I accidentally disconnected something but all were OK.
>
> Kevin
More than likely you have been switch to ten percent alcohol, check
the small print at the bottom of your pumps.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
K-tron wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input folks, here is some more info. Yes my area does
> switch to a 'winter' blend but not for another month or so. No I do
> not use an alcohol blend of fuel ( E85 is just WRONG!! ). The brand
> and grade of fuel are the same. I calculate my MPG manually and
> compare that figure with the on-board smarts, the difference is less
> than 0.1 MPG so that doesn't account for an 8 MPG drop .
>
> The engine temp when hot is 140 C or about 195 F, I wouldn't think
> that this is too cold but I could be wrong. It is at temp after 4 or 5
> minutes.
>
> The only other thing I did was to change the plugs, the NGKs I took
> out appeared to be running OKish ( #6 seemed a bit rich) but the gap
> was over .060 ! . I have checked all electrical plugs and connectors
> just in case I accidentally disconnected something but all were OK.
>
> Kevin
10-09-2006, 11:16 PM
#55
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Posts: n/a
Re: Dropping MPG
Hi Kevin,
More than likely you have been switch to ten percent alcohol, check
the small print at the bottom of your pumps.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
K-tron wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input folks, here is some more info. Yes my area does
> switch to a 'winter' blend but not for another month or so. No I do
> not use an alcohol blend of fuel ( E85 is just WRONG!! ). The brand
> and grade of fuel are the same. I calculate my MPG manually and
> compare that figure with the on-board smarts, the difference is less
> than 0.1 MPG so that doesn't account for an 8 MPG drop .
>
> The engine temp when hot is 140 C or about 195 F, I wouldn't think
> that this is too cold but I could be wrong. It is at temp after 4 or 5
> minutes.
>
> The only other thing I did was to change the plugs, the NGKs I took
> out appeared to be running OKish ( #6 seemed a bit rich) but the gap
> was over .060 ! . I have checked all electrical plugs and connectors
> just in case I accidentally disconnected something but all were OK.
>
> Kevin
More than likely you have been switch to ten percent alcohol, check
the small print at the bottom of your pumps.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
K-tron wrote:
>
> Thanks for the input folks, here is some more info. Yes my area does
> switch to a 'winter' blend but not for another month or so. No I do
> not use an alcohol blend of fuel ( E85 is just WRONG!! ). The brand
> and grade of fuel are the same. I calculate my MPG manually and
> compare that figure with the on-board smarts, the difference is less
> than 0.1 MPG so that doesn't account for an 8 MPG drop .
>
> The engine temp when hot is 140 C or about 195 F, I wouldn't think
> that this is too cold but I could be wrong. It is at temp after 4 or 5
> minutes.
>
> The only other thing I did was to change the plugs, the NGKs I took
> out appeared to be running OKish ( #6 seemed a bit rich) but the gap
> was over .060 ! . I have checked all electrical plugs and connectors
> just in case I accidentally disconnected something but all were OK.
>
> Kevin
10-10-2006, 01:16 AM
#56
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Re: Dropping MPG
I found out early on that once the pump stops my MJ will hold just
short of 4 more gallons if I trickle it in until the filler hose is
full - but only if it's on a level surface. I keep my mileage figures
using a boxcar average of the last 4 tanks which gives me a much
better trend indicator..
One of these days I'll get ambitious and see if that tank has one of
those over-long vent hoses to make it the smaller capacity tank like
the YJ had but until then I always figure any one fill up may be a
"full tank" minus a gallon or two.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:08:16 UTC "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Hi Doug,
> I found what you sent me with the excel you said:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/dougGasMinder.jpg I just wanted to remind
> everyone this is the only way you may accurately compute your mileage as
> we can see due to probably the fill, angle you weren't able to complete
> fill a couple times.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> DougW wrote:
> >
> > Not a real detailed log, unless I'm driving on buisness. I use
> > excel to keep track of milage and maintenance.
--
Will Honea
short of 4 more gallons if I trickle it in until the filler hose is
full - but only if it's on a level surface. I keep my mileage figures
using a boxcar average of the last 4 tanks which gives me a much
better trend indicator..
One of these days I'll get ambitious and see if that tank has one of
those over-long vent hoses to make it the smaller capacity tank like
the YJ had but until then I always figure any one fill up may be a
"full tank" minus a gallon or two.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:08:16 UTC "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Hi Doug,
> I found what you sent me with the excel you said:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/dougGasMinder.jpg I just wanted to remind
> everyone this is the only way you may accurately compute your mileage as
> we can see due to probably the fill, angle you weren't able to complete
> fill a couple times.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> DougW wrote:
> >
> > Not a real detailed log, unless I'm driving on buisness. I use
> > excel to keep track of milage and maintenance.
--
Will Honea
10-10-2006, 01:16 AM
#57
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Re: Dropping MPG
I found out early on that once the pump stops my MJ will hold just
short of 4 more gallons if I trickle it in until the filler hose is
full - but only if it's on a level surface. I keep my mileage figures
using a boxcar average of the last 4 tanks which gives me a much
better trend indicator..
One of these days I'll get ambitious and see if that tank has one of
those over-long vent hoses to make it the smaller capacity tank like
the YJ had but until then I always figure any one fill up may be a
"full tank" minus a gallon or two.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:08:16 UTC "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Hi Doug,
> I found what you sent me with the excel you said:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/dougGasMinder.jpg I just wanted to remind
> everyone this is the only way you may accurately compute your mileage as
> we can see due to probably the fill, angle you weren't able to complete
> fill a couple times.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> DougW wrote:
> >
> > Not a real detailed log, unless I'm driving on buisness. I use
> > excel to keep track of milage and maintenance.
--
Will Honea
short of 4 more gallons if I trickle it in until the filler hose is
full - but only if it's on a level surface. I keep my mileage figures
using a boxcar average of the last 4 tanks which gives me a much
better trend indicator..
One of these days I'll get ambitious and see if that tank has one of
those over-long vent hoses to make it the smaller capacity tank like
the YJ had but until then I always figure any one fill up may be a
"full tank" minus a gallon or two.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:08:16 UTC "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Hi Doug,
> I found what you sent me with the excel you said:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/dougGasMinder.jpg I just wanted to remind
> everyone this is the only way you may accurately compute your mileage as
> we can see due to probably the fill, angle you weren't able to complete
> fill a couple times.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> DougW wrote:
> >
> > Not a real detailed log, unless I'm driving on buisness. I use
> > excel to keep track of milage and maintenance.
--
Will Honea
10-10-2006, 01:16 AM
#58
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Re: Dropping MPG
I found out early on that once the pump stops my MJ will hold just
short of 4 more gallons if I trickle it in until the filler hose is
full - but only if it's on a level surface. I keep my mileage figures
using a boxcar average of the last 4 tanks which gives me a much
better trend indicator..
One of these days I'll get ambitious and see if that tank has one of
those over-long vent hoses to make it the smaller capacity tank like
the YJ had but until then I always figure any one fill up may be a
"full tank" minus a gallon or two.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:08:16 UTC "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Hi Doug,
> I found what you sent me with the excel you said:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/dougGasMinder.jpg I just wanted to remind
> everyone this is the only way you may accurately compute your mileage as
> we can see due to probably the fill, angle you weren't able to complete
> fill a couple times.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> DougW wrote:
> >
> > Not a real detailed log, unless I'm driving on buisness. I use
> > excel to keep track of milage and maintenance.
--
Will Honea
short of 4 more gallons if I trickle it in until the filler hose is
full - but only if it's on a level surface. I keep my mileage figures
using a boxcar average of the last 4 tanks which gives me a much
better trend indicator..
One of these days I'll get ambitious and see if that tank has one of
those over-long vent hoses to make it the smaller capacity tank like
the YJ had but until then I always figure any one fill up may be a
"full tank" minus a gallon or two.
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 03:08:16 UTC "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
<----------@***.net> wrote:
> Hi Doug,
> I found what you sent me with the excel you said:
> http://www.----------.com/temp/dougGasMinder.jpg I just wanted to remind
> everyone this is the only way you may accurately compute your mileage as
> we can see due to probably the fill, angle you weren't able to complete
> fill a couple times.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> DougW wrote:
> >
> > Not a real detailed log, unless I'm driving on buisness. I use
> > excel to keep track of milage and maintenance.
--
Will Honea
10-10-2006, 01:28 AM
#59
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Re: Dropping MPG
Hi Will,
It is mind boggling that's only difference between the fifteen and
the optional nineteen tank, and that they are still doing it for the
TJs: http://www.gottrail.com/TJ/TJfueltankconversion.html Must be a
Kraut thing.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> I found out early on that once the pump stops my MJ will hold just
> short of 4 more gallons if I trickle it in until the filler hose is
> full - but only if it's on a level surface. I keep my mileage figures
> using a boxcar average of the last 4 tanks which gives me a much
> better trend indicator..
>
> One of these days I'll get ambitious and see if that tank has one of
> those over-long vent hoses to make it the smaller capacity tank like
> the YJ had but until then I always figure any one fill up may be a
> "full tank" minus a gallon or two.
It is mind boggling that's only difference between the fifteen and
the optional nineteen tank, and that they are still doing it for the
TJs: http://www.gottrail.com/TJ/TJfueltankconversion.html Must be a
Kraut thing.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> I found out early on that once the pump stops my MJ will hold just
> short of 4 more gallons if I trickle it in until the filler hose is
> full - but only if it's on a level surface. I keep my mileage figures
> using a boxcar average of the last 4 tanks which gives me a much
> better trend indicator..
>
> One of these days I'll get ambitious and see if that tank has one of
> those over-long vent hoses to make it the smaller capacity tank like
> the YJ had but until then I always figure any one fill up may be a
> "full tank" minus a gallon or two.
10-10-2006, 01:28 AM
#60
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Dropping MPG
Hi Will,
It is mind boggling that's only difference between the fifteen and
the optional nineteen tank, and that they are still doing it for the
TJs: http://www.gottrail.com/TJ/TJfueltankconversion.html Must be a
Kraut thing.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> I found out early on that once the pump stops my MJ will hold just
> short of 4 more gallons if I trickle it in until the filler hose is
> full - but only if it's on a level surface. I keep my mileage figures
> using a boxcar average of the last 4 tanks which gives me a much
> better trend indicator..
>
> One of these days I'll get ambitious and see if that tank has one of
> those over-long vent hoses to make it the smaller capacity tank like
> the YJ had but until then I always figure any one fill up may be a
> "full tank" minus a gallon or two.
It is mind boggling that's only difference between the fifteen and
the optional nineteen tank, and that they are still doing it for the
TJs: http://www.gottrail.com/TJ/TJfueltankconversion.html Must be a
Kraut thing.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Will Honea wrote:
>
> I found out early on that once the pump stops my MJ will hold just
> short of 4 more gallons if I trickle it in until the filler hose is
> full - but only if it's on a level surface. I keep my mileage figures
> using a boxcar average of the last 4 tanks which gives me a much
> better trend indicator..
>
> One of these days I'll get ambitious and see if that tank has one of
> those over-long vent hoses to make it the smaller capacity tank like
> the YJ had but until then I always figure any one fill up may be a
> "full tank" minus a gallon or two.