Door Removal
#111
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Re: Door Removal
It has to be up. Personal experience prevails over speculation.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4086F40F.71607906@***.net...
> Ask one of your Highway Patrol friends, it just must be on the car
> it, I repeat again, it doesn't have to be up. Drive the coast route with
> it down and see for yourself.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > Actually, you are wrong. Again. The windshield must be in place if you
are
> > driving on the street. You cited the rules for windshield wipers, not
> > windshields.
> >
> > Windshields: Exception
> > 26700. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), a passenger vehicle,
> > other than a motorcycle, and every bus, motortruck or truck tractor, and
> > every firetruck, fire engine or other fire apparatus, whether publicly
or
> > privately owned, shall be equipped with an adequate windshield.
> >
> > (b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any vehicle issued identification
> > plates pursuant to Section 5004 which was not required to be equipped
with a
> > windshield at the time it was first sold or registered under the laws of
> > this state, another state, or foreign jurisdiction.
> >
> > Basically, everything on the highway that is not a motorcycle must have
a
> > windshield unless there is some reason it was not required to have a
> > windshield when it was first sold. This means that an antique car that
might
> > not have had a windshield when it was first made does not need to be
> > retrofitted to have a windshield. There hasn't been a car made for
several
> > decades that does not have a windshield, with the exception of a golf
cart
> > or similar such vehicle.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4086F40F.71607906@***.net...
> Ask one of your Highway Patrol friends, it just must be on the car
> it, I repeat again, it doesn't have to be up. Drive the coast route with
> it down and see for yourself.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > Actually, you are wrong. Again. The windshield must be in place if you
are
> > driving on the street. You cited the rules for windshield wipers, not
> > windshields.
> >
> > Windshields: Exception
> > 26700. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), a passenger vehicle,
> > other than a motorcycle, and every bus, motortruck or truck tractor, and
> > every firetruck, fire engine or other fire apparatus, whether publicly
or
> > privately owned, shall be equipped with an adequate windshield.
> >
> > (b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any vehicle issued identification
> > plates pursuant to Section 5004 which was not required to be equipped
with a
> > windshield at the time it was first sold or registered under the laws of
> > this state, another state, or foreign jurisdiction.
> >
> > Basically, everything on the highway that is not a motorcycle must have
a
> > windshield unless there is some reason it was not required to have a
> > windshield when it was first sold. This means that an antique car that
might
> > not have had a windshield when it was first made does not need to be
> > retrofitted to have a windshield. There hasn't been a car made for
several
> > decades that does not have a windshield, with the exception of a golf
cart
> > or similar such vehicle.
#112
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Re: Door Removal
It has to be up. Personal experience prevails over speculation.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4086F40F.71607906@***.net...
> Ask one of your Highway Patrol friends, it just must be on the car
> it, I repeat again, it doesn't have to be up. Drive the coast route with
> it down and see for yourself.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > Actually, you are wrong. Again. The windshield must be in place if you
are
> > driving on the street. You cited the rules for windshield wipers, not
> > windshields.
> >
> > Windshields: Exception
> > 26700. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), a passenger vehicle,
> > other than a motorcycle, and every bus, motortruck or truck tractor, and
> > every firetruck, fire engine or other fire apparatus, whether publicly
or
> > privately owned, shall be equipped with an adequate windshield.
> >
> > (b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any vehicle issued identification
> > plates pursuant to Section 5004 which was not required to be equipped
with a
> > windshield at the time it was first sold or registered under the laws of
> > this state, another state, or foreign jurisdiction.
> >
> > Basically, everything on the highway that is not a motorcycle must have
a
> > windshield unless there is some reason it was not required to have a
> > windshield when it was first sold. This means that an antique car that
might
> > not have had a windshield when it was first made does not need to be
> > retrofitted to have a windshield. There hasn't been a car made for
several
> > decades that does not have a windshield, with the exception of a golf
cart
> > or similar such vehicle.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4086F40F.71607906@***.net...
> Ask one of your Highway Patrol friends, it just must be on the car
> it, I repeat again, it doesn't have to be up. Drive the coast route with
> it down and see for yourself.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > Actually, you are wrong. Again. The windshield must be in place if you
are
> > driving on the street. You cited the rules for windshield wipers, not
> > windshields.
> >
> > Windshields: Exception
> > 26700. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), a passenger vehicle,
> > other than a motorcycle, and every bus, motortruck or truck tractor, and
> > every firetruck, fire engine or other fire apparatus, whether publicly
or
> > privately owned, shall be equipped with an adequate windshield.
> >
> > (b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any vehicle issued identification
> > plates pursuant to Section 5004 which was not required to be equipped
with a
> > windshield at the time it was first sold or registered under the laws of
> > this state, another state, or foreign jurisdiction.
> >
> > Basically, everything on the highway that is not a motorcycle must have
a
> > windshield unless there is some reason it was not required to have a
> > windshield when it was first sold. This means that an antique car that
might
> > not have had a windshield when it was first made does not need to be
> > retrofitted to have a windshield. There hasn't been a car made for
several
> > decades that does not have a windshield, with the exception of a golf
cart
> > or similar such vehicle.
#113
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Door Removal
It has to be up. Personal experience prevails over speculation.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4086F40F.71607906@***.net...
> Ask one of your Highway Patrol friends, it just must be on the car
> it, I repeat again, it doesn't have to be up. Drive the coast route with
> it down and see for yourself.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > Actually, you are wrong. Again. The windshield must be in place if you
are
> > driving on the street. You cited the rules for windshield wipers, not
> > windshields.
> >
> > Windshields: Exception
> > 26700. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), a passenger vehicle,
> > other than a motorcycle, and every bus, motortruck or truck tractor, and
> > every firetruck, fire engine or other fire apparatus, whether publicly
or
> > privately owned, shall be equipped with an adequate windshield.
> >
> > (b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any vehicle issued identification
> > plates pursuant to Section 5004 which was not required to be equipped
with a
> > windshield at the time it was first sold or registered under the laws of
> > this state, another state, or foreign jurisdiction.
> >
> > Basically, everything on the highway that is not a motorcycle must have
a
> > windshield unless there is some reason it was not required to have a
> > windshield when it was first sold. This means that an antique car that
might
> > not have had a windshield when it was first made does not need to be
> > retrofitted to have a windshield. There hasn't been a car made for
several
> > decades that does not have a windshield, with the exception of a golf
cart
> > or similar such vehicle.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4086F40F.71607906@***.net...
> Ask one of your Highway Patrol friends, it just must be on the car
> it, I repeat again, it doesn't have to be up. Drive the coast route with
> it down and see for yourself.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > Actually, you are wrong. Again. The windshield must be in place if you
are
> > driving on the street. You cited the rules for windshield wipers, not
> > windshields.
> >
> > Windshields: Exception
> > 26700. (a) Except as provided in subdivision (b), a passenger vehicle,
> > other than a motorcycle, and every bus, motortruck or truck tractor, and
> > every firetruck, fire engine or other fire apparatus, whether publicly
or
> > privately owned, shall be equipped with an adequate windshield.
> >
> > (b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to any vehicle issued identification
> > plates pursuant to Section 5004 which was not required to be equipped
with a
> > windshield at the time it was first sold or registered under the laws of
> > this state, another state, or foreign jurisdiction.
> >
> > Basically, everything on the highway that is not a motorcycle must have
a
> > windshield unless there is some reason it was not required to have a
> > windshield when it was first sold. This means that an antique car that
might
> > not have had a windshield when it was first made does not need to be
> > retrofitted to have a windshield. There hasn't been a car made for
several
> > decades that does not have a windshield, with the exception of a golf
cart
> > or similar such vehicle.
#114
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Re: Door Removal
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4086FF6A.C243FA7@sympatico.ca...
> Read it carefully Jeff.
>
> It just says you must 'have' a windshield.
>
> It also states that the way a stock one works is just fine, even if the
> stock one folds down.
>
> Very much like signal lights on a Bike. If the bike didn't come with
> them, you don't have to add them, hand signals are legal.
>
I understand what you are saying. But the fact is that on the signals, if it
hasn't got signals as a new vehicle today is required to have, it is not
street legal - it is only street legal if it is an older machine that never
had signals.
The windshield is not required on older cars that never had a windshield,
but it is required on all newer cars. "Newer" is a relative term, in the
case of a windshield, I have never seen a car made after the 40's that did
not have a windshield. There could be a few, but they are most certainly the
exception as opposed to the rule. Bikes were required to have turn signals
for street use from sometime around 1980, give or take a few years.
> It does 'not' state that you cannot use the windshield as it was
> designed to be used, folded, it certainly implies otherwise.
>
> The law here in Ontario Canada is the same. You 'have' to have a
> windshield and a working wiper, that's it.
>
I was driving with my brother and his windshield was folded down, we got
stopped. Personally, I don't like my windshield folded down. I tried it but
did not like it. I haven't got the thumbscrews either, so I have to use
tools to get mine to fold down. Maybe the tools added the tie-breaker that
made the experience not worth the effort.
#115
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Posts: n/a
Re: Door Removal
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4086FF6A.C243FA7@sympatico.ca...
> Read it carefully Jeff.
>
> It just says you must 'have' a windshield.
>
> It also states that the way a stock one works is just fine, even if the
> stock one folds down.
>
> Very much like signal lights on a Bike. If the bike didn't come with
> them, you don't have to add them, hand signals are legal.
>
I understand what you are saying. But the fact is that on the signals, if it
hasn't got signals as a new vehicle today is required to have, it is not
street legal - it is only street legal if it is an older machine that never
had signals.
The windshield is not required on older cars that never had a windshield,
but it is required on all newer cars. "Newer" is a relative term, in the
case of a windshield, I have never seen a car made after the 40's that did
not have a windshield. There could be a few, but they are most certainly the
exception as opposed to the rule. Bikes were required to have turn signals
for street use from sometime around 1980, give or take a few years.
> It does 'not' state that you cannot use the windshield as it was
> designed to be used, folded, it certainly implies otherwise.
>
> The law here in Ontario Canada is the same. You 'have' to have a
> windshield and a working wiper, that's it.
>
I was driving with my brother and his windshield was folded down, we got
stopped. Personally, I don't like my windshield folded down. I tried it but
did not like it. I haven't got the thumbscrews either, so I have to use
tools to get mine to fold down. Maybe the tools added the tie-breaker that
made the experience not worth the effort.
#116
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Posts: n/a
Re: Door Removal
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4086FF6A.C243FA7@sympatico.ca...
> Read it carefully Jeff.
>
> It just says you must 'have' a windshield.
>
> It also states that the way a stock one works is just fine, even if the
> stock one folds down.
>
> Very much like signal lights on a Bike. If the bike didn't come with
> them, you don't have to add them, hand signals are legal.
>
I understand what you are saying. But the fact is that on the signals, if it
hasn't got signals as a new vehicle today is required to have, it is not
street legal - it is only street legal if it is an older machine that never
had signals.
The windshield is not required on older cars that never had a windshield,
but it is required on all newer cars. "Newer" is a relative term, in the
case of a windshield, I have never seen a car made after the 40's that did
not have a windshield. There could be a few, but they are most certainly the
exception as opposed to the rule. Bikes were required to have turn signals
for street use from sometime around 1980, give or take a few years.
> It does 'not' state that you cannot use the windshield as it was
> designed to be used, folded, it certainly implies otherwise.
>
> The law here in Ontario Canada is the same. You 'have' to have a
> windshield and a working wiper, that's it.
>
I was driving with my brother and his windshield was folded down, we got
stopped. Personally, I don't like my windshield folded down. I tried it but
did not like it. I haven't got the thumbscrews either, so I have to use
tools to get mine to fold down. Maybe the tools added the tie-breaker that
made the experience not worth the effort.
#117
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Door Removal
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4086FF6A.C243FA7@sympatico.ca...
> Read it carefully Jeff.
>
> It just says you must 'have' a windshield.
>
> It also states that the way a stock one works is just fine, even if the
> stock one folds down.
>
> Very much like signal lights on a Bike. If the bike didn't come with
> them, you don't have to add them, hand signals are legal.
>
I understand what you are saying. But the fact is that on the signals, if it
hasn't got signals as a new vehicle today is required to have, it is not
street legal - it is only street legal if it is an older machine that never
had signals.
The windshield is not required on older cars that never had a windshield,
but it is required on all newer cars. "Newer" is a relative term, in the
case of a windshield, I have never seen a car made after the 40's that did
not have a windshield. There could be a few, but they are most certainly the
exception as opposed to the rule. Bikes were required to have turn signals
for street use from sometime around 1980, give or take a few years.
> It does 'not' state that you cannot use the windshield as it was
> designed to be used, folded, it certainly implies otherwise.
>
> The law here in Ontario Canada is the same. You 'have' to have a
> windshield and a working wiper, that's it.
>
I was driving with my brother and his windshield was folded down, we got
stopped. Personally, I don't like my windshield folded down. I tried it but
did not like it. I haven't got the thumbscrews either, so I have to use
tools to get mine to fold down. Maybe the tools added the tie-breaker that
made the experience not worth the effort.
#118
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Re: Door Removal
Who gave you the ticket, it defiantly wasn't a California Highway
Patrolmen.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
CRWLR wrote:
>
> It has to be up. Personal experience prevails over speculation.
Patrolmen.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
CRWLR wrote:
>
> It has to be up. Personal experience prevails over speculation.
#119
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Re: Door Removal
Who gave you the ticket, it defiantly wasn't a California Highway
Patrolmen.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
CRWLR wrote:
>
> It has to be up. Personal experience prevails over speculation.
Patrolmen.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
CRWLR wrote:
>
> It has to be up. Personal experience prevails over speculation.
#120
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Door Removal
Who gave you the ticket, it defiantly wasn't a California Highway
Patrolmen.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
CRWLR wrote:
>
> It has to be up. Personal experience prevails over speculation.
Patrolmen.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
CRWLR wrote:
>
> It has to be up. Personal experience prevails over speculation.