Re: Dj5-F electrical problems
 

Don't it though. Part of the art of diagnosis is persistent, deliberate
questioning.


Earle Horton wrote:
> This reminds me of being an EMT, trying to get people to say what is
> actually wrong with them, why they called, what exactly are we doing at your
> house at 2:00 AM, etc. Sometimes, you have to ask, which person is the sick
> one. It is not always obvious.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:685b5$441c5309$4831b233$5616@FUSE.NET...
>
>>Okay, now we are getting somewhere but you still haven't answered if the
>>engine will actually start and keep running.
>>"Yes" (pick one) 'No'
>>
>>I suspect *not* from your descriptions.
>>
>>Please provide more detailed descriptions of what EXACTLY was done and
>
> what
>
>>the result, if any, was...
>>
>>Is there 12v power to the starter relay from the ignition switch? It will
>>not be a big battery cable but a small wire around 14 gauge.
>>
>>Do you hear a 'click' when you turn the key?
>>
>>Do you have any spark when cranking?
>>
>>By 'filed clean" do you mean the copper lugs that bolt to the starter?
>
> What
>
>>about the lead terminals at the battery end. They are best cleaned with a
>>wire brush.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Jacob" <zorak_teh_slayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1142703450.559614.103030@p10g2000cwp.google groups.com...
>>
>>>Yes its a 3.8l I6 And by jump it i mean taking the starter moter leed
>>>cable and touching it to the posative terminal on the battery Voila it
>>>cranks. When i turn the key after reconnecting the leed, nothing
>>>happens at all.
>>>Jacob
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I recently aquired a 78 Dj5 F from a freind. It was running great
>
> a
>
>>>>>year ago but he started going to school and didn't have time for it
>
> so
>
>>>>>i got it. When i turn the key nothing happens not a squeek. the
>
> battery
>
>>>>>is connected right (neg to engine block) and when i jump it the
>
> engine
>
>>>>>cranks, so i know that the starter and battery work. Could someone
>
> help
>
>>>>>me or give a little advise.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Dj5-F electrical problems
 

Don't it though. Part of the art of diagnosis is persistent, deliberate
questioning.


Earle Horton wrote:
> This reminds me of being an EMT, trying to get people to say what is
> actually wrong with them, why they called, what exactly are we doing at your
> house at 2:00 AM, etc. Sometimes, you have to ask, which person is the sick
> one. It is not always obvious.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:685b5$441c5309$4831b233$5616@FUSE.NET...
>
>>Okay, now we are getting somewhere but you still haven't answered if the
>>engine will actually start and keep running.
>>"Yes" (pick one) 'No'
>>
>>I suspect *not* from your descriptions.
>>
>>Please provide more detailed descriptions of what EXACTLY was done and
>
> what
>
>>the result, if any, was...
>>
>>Is there 12v power to the starter relay from the ignition switch? It will
>>not be a big battery cable but a small wire around 14 gauge.
>>
>>Do you hear a 'click' when you turn the key?
>>
>>Do you have any spark when cranking?
>>
>>By 'filed clean" do you mean the copper lugs that bolt to the starter?
>
> What
>
>>about the lead terminals at the battery end. They are best cleaned with a
>>wire brush.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Jacob" <zorak_teh_slayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1142703450.559614.103030@p10g2000cwp.google groups.com...
>>
>>>Yes its a 3.8l I6 And by jump it i mean taking the starter moter leed
>>>cable and touching it to the posative terminal on the battery Voila it
>>>cranks. When i turn the key after reconnecting the leed, nothing
>>>happens at all.
>>>Jacob
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I recently aquired a 78 Dj5 F from a freind. It was running great
>
> a
>
>>>>>year ago but he started going to school and didn't have time for it
>
> so
>
>>>>>i got it. When i turn the key nothing happens not a squeek. the
>
> battery
>
>>>>>is connected right (neg to engine block) and when i jump it the
>
> engine
>
>>>>>cranks, so i know that the starter and battery work. Could someone
>
> help
>
>>>>>me or give a little advise.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Dj5-F electrical problems
 

Don't it though. Part of the art of diagnosis is persistent, deliberate
questioning.


Earle Horton wrote:
> This reminds me of being an EMT, trying to get people to say what is
> actually wrong with them, why they called, what exactly are we doing at your
> house at 2:00 AM, etc. Sometimes, you have to ask, which person is the sick
> one. It is not always obvious.
>
> Earle
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> news:685b5$441c5309$4831b233$5616@FUSE.NET...
>
>>Okay, now we are getting somewhere but you still haven't answered if the
>>engine will actually start and keep running.
>>"Yes" (pick one) 'No'
>>
>>I suspect *not* from your descriptions.
>>
>>Please provide more detailed descriptions of what EXACTLY was done and
>
> what
>
>>the result, if any, was...
>>
>>Is there 12v power to the starter relay from the ignition switch? It will
>>not be a big battery cable but a small wire around 14 gauge.
>>
>>Do you hear a 'click' when you turn the key?
>>
>>Do you have any spark when cranking?
>>
>>By 'filed clean" do you mean the copper lugs that bolt to the starter?
>
> What
>
>>about the lead terminals at the battery end. They are best cleaned with a
>>wire brush.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Jacob" <zorak_teh_slayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:1142703450.559614.103030@p10g2000cwp.google groups.com...
>>
>>>Yes its a 3.8l I6 And by jump it i mean taking the starter moter leed
>>>cable and touching it to the posative terminal on the battery Voila it
>>>cranks. When i turn the key after reconnecting the leed, nothing
>>>happens at all.
>>>Jacob
>>>
>>>
>>>>> I recently aquired a 78 Dj5 F from a freind. It was running great
>
> a
>
>>>>>year ago but he started going to school and didn't have time for it
>
> so
>
>>>>>i got it. When i turn the key nothing happens not a squeek. the
>
> battery
>
>>>>>is connected right (neg to engine block) and when i jump it the
>
> engine
>
>>>>>cranks, so i know that the starter and battery work. Could someone
>
> help
>
>>>>>me or give a little advise.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Dj5-F electrical problems
 

Yeah, so far this appears to be a dead Ford-type starter solenoid, but I
don't even know whether this vehicle has that type installed. No that I am
retired, sometimes I adopt an "interrogation style" approach to problem
diagnosis. If it doesn't get to the root of the problem, it at least makes
the person with the complaint go away. ;^)

Jacob, do you have a black relay, about the size of a 35mm film can, with
two big wires and one or two smaller wires bolted to it? Is that the place
where you disconnected the starter lead? If so, you need that part, which
will cost you $10-20.

Earle

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message
news:dvi1nu$nd5$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Don't it though. Part of the art of diagnosis is persistent, deliberate
> questioning.
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > This reminds me of being an EMT, trying to get people to say what is
> > actually wrong with them, why they called, what exactly are we doing at
your
> > house at 2:00 AM, etc. Sometimes, you have to ask, which person is the
sick
> > one. It is not always obvious.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> > news:685b5$441c5309$4831b233$5616@FUSE.NET...
> >
> >>Okay, now we are getting somewhere but you still haven't answered if the
> >>engine will actually start and keep running.
> >>"Yes" (pick one) 'No'
> >>
> >>I suspect *not* from your descriptions.
> >>
> >>Please provide more detailed descriptions of what EXACTLY was done and
> >
> > what
> >
> >>the result, if any, was...
> >>
> >>Is there 12v power to the starter relay from the ignition switch? It
will
> >>not be a big battery cable but a small wire around 14 gauge.
> >>
> >>Do you hear a 'click' when you turn the key?
> >>
> >>Do you have any spark when cranking?
> >>
> >>By 'filed clean" do you mean the copper lugs that bolt to the starter?
> >
> > What
> >
> >>about the lead terminals at the battery end. They are best cleaned with
a
> >>wire brush.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>"Jacob" <zorak_teh_slayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:1142703450.559614.103030@p10g2000cwp.google groups.com...
> >>
> >>>Yes its a 3.8l I6 And by jump it i mean taking the starter moter leed
> >>>cable and touching it to the posative terminal on the battery Voila it
> >>>cranks. When i turn the key after reconnecting the leed, nothing
> >>>happens at all.
> >>>Jacob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> I recently aquired a 78 Dj5 F from a freind. It was running great
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>>>year ago but he started going to school and didn't have time for it
> >
> > so
> >
> >>>>>i got it. When i turn the key nothing happens not a squeek. the
> >
> > battery
> >
> >>>>>is connected right (neg to engine block) and when i jump it the
> >
> > engine
> >
> >>>>>cranks, so i know that the starter and battery work. Could someone
> >
> > help
> >
> >>>>>me or give a little advise.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >


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Re: Dj5-F electrical problems
 

Yeah, so far this appears to be a dead Ford-type starter solenoid, but I
don't even know whether this vehicle has that type installed. No that I am
retired, sometimes I adopt an "interrogation style" approach to problem
diagnosis. If it doesn't get to the root of the problem, it at least makes
the person with the complaint go away. ;^)

Jacob, do you have a black relay, about the size of a 35mm film can, with
two big wires and one or two smaller wires bolted to it? Is that the place
where you disconnected the starter lead? If so, you need that part, which
will cost you $10-20.

Earle

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message
news:dvi1nu$nd5$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Don't it though. Part of the art of diagnosis is persistent, deliberate
> questioning.
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > This reminds me of being an EMT, trying to get people to say what is
> > actually wrong with them, why they called, what exactly are we doing at
your
> > house at 2:00 AM, etc. Sometimes, you have to ask, which person is the
sick
> > one. It is not always obvious.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> > news:685b5$441c5309$4831b233$5616@FUSE.NET...
> >
> >>Okay, now we are getting somewhere but you still haven't answered if the
> >>engine will actually start and keep running.
> >>"Yes" (pick one) 'No'
> >>
> >>I suspect *not* from your descriptions.
> >>
> >>Please provide more detailed descriptions of what EXACTLY was done and
> >
> > what
> >
> >>the result, if any, was...
> >>
> >>Is there 12v power to the starter relay from the ignition switch? It
will
> >>not be a big battery cable but a small wire around 14 gauge.
> >>
> >>Do you hear a 'click' when you turn the key?
> >>
> >>Do you have any spark when cranking?
> >>
> >>By 'filed clean" do you mean the copper lugs that bolt to the starter?
> >
> > What
> >
> >>about the lead terminals at the battery end. They are best cleaned with
a
> >>wire brush.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>"Jacob" <zorak_teh_slayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:1142703450.559614.103030@p10g2000cwp.google groups.com...
> >>
> >>>Yes its a 3.8l I6 And by jump it i mean taking the starter moter leed
> >>>cable and touching it to the posative terminal on the battery Voila it
> >>>cranks. When i turn the key after reconnecting the leed, nothing
> >>>happens at all.
> >>>Jacob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> I recently aquired a 78 Dj5 F from a freind. It was running great
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>>>year ago but he started going to school and didn't have time for it
> >
> > so
> >
> >>>>>i got it. When i turn the key nothing happens not a squeek. the
> >
> > battery
> >
> >>>>>is connected right (neg to engine block) and when i jump it the
> >
> > engine
> >
> >>>>>cranks, so i know that the starter and battery work. Could someone
> >
> > help
> >
> >>>>>me or give a little advise.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >


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Re: Dj5-F electrical problems
 

Yeah, so far this appears to be a dead Ford-type starter solenoid, but I
don't even know whether this vehicle has that type installed. No that I am
retired, sometimes I adopt an "interrogation style" approach to problem
diagnosis. If it doesn't get to the root of the problem, it at least makes
the person with the complaint go away. ;^)

Jacob, do you have a black relay, about the size of a 35mm film can, with
two big wires and one or two smaller wires bolted to it? Is that the place
where you disconnected the starter lead? If so, you need that part, which
will cost you $10-20.

Earle

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message
news:dvi1nu$nd5$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Don't it though. Part of the art of diagnosis is persistent, deliberate
> questioning.
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > This reminds me of being an EMT, trying to get people to say what is
> > actually wrong with them, why they called, what exactly are we doing at
your
> > house at 2:00 AM, etc. Sometimes, you have to ask, which person is the
sick
> > one. It is not always obvious.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> > news:685b5$441c5309$4831b233$5616@FUSE.NET...
> >
> >>Okay, now we are getting somewhere but you still haven't answered if the
> >>engine will actually start and keep running.
> >>"Yes" (pick one) 'No'
> >>
> >>I suspect *not* from your descriptions.
> >>
> >>Please provide more detailed descriptions of what EXACTLY was done and
> >
> > what
> >
> >>the result, if any, was...
> >>
> >>Is there 12v power to the starter relay from the ignition switch? It
will
> >>not be a big battery cable but a small wire around 14 gauge.
> >>
> >>Do you hear a 'click' when you turn the key?
> >>
> >>Do you have any spark when cranking?
> >>
> >>By 'filed clean" do you mean the copper lugs that bolt to the starter?
> >
> > What
> >
> >>about the lead terminals at the battery end. They are best cleaned with
a
> >>wire brush.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>"Jacob" <zorak_teh_slayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:1142703450.559614.103030@p10g2000cwp.google groups.com...
> >>
> >>>Yes its a 3.8l I6 And by jump it i mean taking the starter moter leed
> >>>cable and touching it to the posative terminal on the battery Voila it
> >>>cranks. When i turn the key after reconnecting the leed, nothing
> >>>happens at all.
> >>>Jacob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> I recently aquired a 78 Dj5 F from a freind. It was running great
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>>>year ago but he started going to school and didn't have time for it
> >
> > so
> >
> >>>>>i got it. When i turn the key nothing happens not a squeek. the
> >
> > battery
> >
> >>>>>is connected right (neg to engine block) and when i jump it the
> >
> > engine
> >
> >>>>>cranks, so i know that the starter and battery work. Could someone
> >
> > help
> >
> >>>>>me or give a little advise.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >


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Re: Dj5-F electrical problems
 

Yeah, so far this appears to be a dead Ford-type starter solenoid, but I
don't even know whether this vehicle has that type installed. No that I am
retired, sometimes I adopt an "interrogation style" approach to problem
diagnosis. If it doesn't get to the root of the problem, it at least makes
the person with the complaint go away. ;^)

Jacob, do you have a black relay, about the size of a 35mm film can, with
two big wires and one or two smaller wires bolted to it? Is that the place
where you disconnected the starter lead? If so, you need that part, which
will cost you $10-20.

Earle

"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message
news:dvi1nu$nd5$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Don't it though. Part of the art of diagnosis is persistent, deliberate
> questioning.
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> > This reminds me of being an EMT, trying to get people to say what is
> > actually wrong with them, why they called, what exactly are we doing at
your
> > house at 2:00 AM, etc. Sometimes, you have to ask, which person is the
sick
> > one. It is not always obvious.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
> > news:685b5$441c5309$4831b233$5616@FUSE.NET...
> >
> >>Okay, now we are getting somewhere but you still haven't answered if the
> >>engine will actually start and keep running.
> >>"Yes" (pick one) 'No'
> >>
> >>I suspect *not* from your descriptions.
> >>
> >>Please provide more detailed descriptions of what EXACTLY was done and
> >
> > what
> >
> >>the result, if any, was...
> >>
> >>Is there 12v power to the starter relay from the ignition switch? It
will
> >>not be a big battery cable but a small wire around 14 gauge.
> >>
> >>Do you hear a 'click' when you turn the key?
> >>
> >>Do you have any spark when cranking?
> >>
> >>By 'filed clean" do you mean the copper lugs that bolt to the starter?
> >
> > What
> >
> >>about the lead terminals at the battery end. They are best cleaned with
a
> >>wire brush.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>"Jacob" <zorak_teh_slayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>news:1142703450.559614.103030@p10g2000cwp.google groups.com...
> >>
> >>>Yes its a 3.8l I6 And by jump it i mean taking the starter moter leed
> >>>cable and touching it to the posative terminal on the battery Voila it
> >>>cranks. When i turn the key after reconnecting the leed, nothing
> >>>happens at all.
> >>>Jacob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> I recently aquired a 78 Dj5 F from a freind. It was running great
> >
> > a
> >
> >>>>>year ago but he started going to school and didn't have time for it
> >
> > so
> >
> >>>>>i got it. When i turn the key nothing happens not a squeek. the
> >
> > battery
> >
> >>>>>is connected right (neg to engine block) and when i jump it the
> >
> > engine
> >
> >>>>>cranks, so i know that the starter and battery work. Could someone
> >
> > help
> >
> >>>>>me or give a little advise.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >


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Re: Dj5-F electrical problems
 

Agreed....... the good thing is this DJ is pre-computer so everything will
be plain mechanical and electrical.

All he needs is a 12v test light and some wire to check almost anything we
need to test.





"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message
news:dvi1nu$nd5$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Don't it though. Part of the art of diagnosis is persistent, deliberate
> questioning.
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>> This reminds me of being an EMT, trying to get people to say what is
>> actually wrong with them, why they called, what exactly are we doing at
>> your
>> house at 2:00 AM, etc. Sometimes, you have to ask, which person is the
>> sick
>> one. It is not always obvious.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
>> news:685b5$441c5309$4831b233$5616@FUSE.NET...
>>
>>>Okay, now we are getting somewhere but you still haven't answered if the
>>>engine will actually start and keep running.
>>>"Yes" (pick one) 'No'
>>>
>>>I suspect *not* from your descriptions.
>>>
>>>Please provide more detailed descriptions of what EXACTLY was done and
>>
>> what
>>
>>>the result, if any, was...
>>>
>>>Is there 12v power to the starter relay from the ignition switch? It
>>>will
>>>not be a big battery cable but a small wire around 14 gauge.
>>>
>>>Do you hear a 'click' when you turn the key?
>>>
>>>Do you have any spark when cranking?
>>>
>>>By 'filed clean" do you mean the copper lugs that bolt to the starter?
>>
>> What
>>
>>>about the lead terminals at the battery end. They are best cleaned with
>>>a
>>>wire brush.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jacob" <zorak_teh_slayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1142703450.559614.103030@p10g2000cwp.googl egroups.com...
>>>
>>>>Yes its a 3.8l I6 And by jump it i mean taking the starter moter leed
>>>>cable and touching it to the posative terminal on the battery Voila it
>>>>cranks. When i turn the key after reconnecting the leed, nothing
>>>>happens at all.
>>>>Jacob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I recently aquired a 78 Dj5 F from a freind. It was running great
>>
>> a
>>
>>>>>>year ago but he started going to school and didn't have time for it
>>
>> so
>>
>>>>>>i got it. When i turn the key nothing happens not a squeek. the
>>
>> battery
>>
>>>>>>is connected right (neg to engine block) and when i jump it the
>>
>> engine
>>
>>>>>>cranks, so i know that the starter and battery work. Could someone
>>
>> help
>>
>>>>>>me or give a little advise.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: Dj5-F electrical problems
 

Agreed....... the good thing is this DJ is pre-computer so everything will
be plain mechanical and electrical.

All he needs is a 12v test light and some wire to check almost anything we
need to test.





"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message
news:dvi1nu$nd5$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Don't it though. Part of the art of diagnosis is persistent, deliberate
> questioning.
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>> This reminds me of being an EMT, trying to get people to say what is
>> actually wrong with them, why they called, what exactly are we doing at
>> your
>> house at 2:00 AM, etc. Sometimes, you have to ask, which person is the
>> sick
>> one. It is not always obvious.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
>> news:685b5$441c5309$4831b233$5616@FUSE.NET...
>>
>>>Okay, now we are getting somewhere but you still haven't answered if the
>>>engine will actually start and keep running.
>>>"Yes" (pick one) 'No'
>>>
>>>I suspect *not* from your descriptions.
>>>
>>>Please provide more detailed descriptions of what EXACTLY was done and
>>
>> what
>>
>>>the result, if any, was...
>>>
>>>Is there 12v power to the starter relay from the ignition switch? It
>>>will
>>>not be a big battery cable but a small wire around 14 gauge.
>>>
>>>Do you hear a 'click' when you turn the key?
>>>
>>>Do you have any spark when cranking?
>>>
>>>By 'filed clean" do you mean the copper lugs that bolt to the starter?
>>
>> What
>>
>>>about the lead terminals at the battery end. They are best cleaned with
>>>a
>>>wire brush.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jacob" <zorak_teh_slayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1142703450.559614.103030@p10g2000cwp.googl egroups.com...
>>>
>>>>Yes its a 3.8l I6 And by jump it i mean taking the starter moter leed
>>>>cable and touching it to the posative terminal on the battery Voila it
>>>>cranks. When i turn the key after reconnecting the leed, nothing
>>>>happens at all.
>>>>Jacob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I recently aquired a 78 Dj5 F from a freind. It was running great
>>
>> a
>>
>>>>>>year ago but he started going to school and didn't have time for it
>>
>> so
>>
>>>>>>i got it. When i turn the key nothing happens not a squeek. the
>>
>> battery
>>
>>>>>>is connected right (neg to engine block) and when i jump it the
>>
>> engine
>>
>>>>>>cranks, so i know that the starter and battery work. Could someone
>>
>> help
>>
>>>>>>me or give a little advise.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: Dj5-F electrical problems
 

Agreed....... the good thing is this DJ is pre-computer so everything will
be plain mechanical and electrical.

All he needs is a 12v test light and some wire to check almost anything we
need to test.





"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@REMOVE_ME.panix.com> wrote in message
news:dvi1nu$nd5$1@reader2.panix.com...
> Don't it though. Part of the art of diagnosis is persistent, deliberate
> questioning.
>
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
>> This reminds me of being an EMT, trying to get people to say what is
>> actually wrong with them, why they called, what exactly are we doing at
>> your
>> house at 2:00 AM, etc. Sometimes, you have to ask, which person is the
>> sick
>> one. It is not always obvious.
>>
>> Earle
>>
>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@fuseSPAM.net> wrote in message
>> news:685b5$441c5309$4831b233$5616@FUSE.NET...
>>
>>>Okay, now we are getting somewhere but you still haven't answered if the
>>>engine will actually start and keep running.
>>>"Yes" (pick one) 'No'
>>>
>>>I suspect *not* from your descriptions.
>>>
>>>Please provide more detailed descriptions of what EXACTLY was done and
>>
>> what
>>
>>>the result, if any, was...
>>>
>>>Is there 12v power to the starter relay from the ignition switch? It
>>>will
>>>not be a big battery cable but a small wire around 14 gauge.
>>>
>>>Do you hear a 'click' when you turn the key?
>>>
>>>Do you have any spark when cranking?
>>>
>>>By 'filed clean" do you mean the copper lugs that bolt to the starter?
>>
>> What
>>
>>>about the lead terminals at the battery end. They are best cleaned with
>>>a
>>>wire brush.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Jacob" <zorak_teh_slayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:1142703450.559614.103030@p10g2000cwp.googl egroups.com...
>>>
>>>>Yes its a 3.8l I6 And by jump it i mean taking the starter moter leed
>>>>cable and touching it to the posative terminal on the battery Voila it
>>>>cranks. When i turn the key after reconnecting the leed, nothing
>>>>happens at all.
>>>>Jacob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I recently aquired a 78 Dj5 F from a freind. It was running great
>>
>> a
>>
>>>>>>year ago but he started going to school and didn't have time for it
>>
>> so
>>
>>>>>>i got it. When i turn the key nothing happens not a squeek. the
>>
>> battery
>>
>>>>>>is connected right (neg to engine block) and when i jump it the
>>
>> engine
>>
>>>>>>cranks, so i know that the starter and battery work. Could someone
>>
>> help
>>
>>>>>>me or give a little advise.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>