I remember being told this as a kid, a long, long time ago.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4422AEA7.38D60DAD@sympatico.ca...
> Replacing parts without testing them gets expensive very quickly.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> Jacob wrote:
> >
> > Sorry about not replying, I had a bit of nasty food poisening.
> > I replaced the solenoid yesterday, still nothing.
> >
> > Jacob


*** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
*** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com ***

 

At least now he has to figure out 'why' the solenoid doesn't work....

Either the blue wire has no power when the key is in run or the solenoid
has no ground.

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> I remember being told this as a kid, a long, long time ago.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4422AEA7.38D60DAD@sympatico.ca...
> > Replacing parts without testing them gets expensive very quickly.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Jacob wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry about not replying, I had a bit of nasty food poisening.
> > > I replaced the solenoid yesterday, still nothing.
> > >
> > > Jacob
>
> *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
> *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com ***

 

At least now he has to figure out 'why' the solenoid doesn't work....

Either the blue wire has no power when the key is in run or the solenoid
has no ground.

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> I remember being told this as a kid, a long, long time ago.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4422AEA7.38D60DAD@sympatico.ca...
> > Replacing parts without testing them gets expensive very quickly.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Jacob wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry about not replying, I had a bit of nasty food poisening.
> > > I replaced the solenoid yesterday, still nothing.
> > >
> > > Jacob
>
> *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
> *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com ***

 

At least now he has to figure out 'why' the solenoid doesn't work....

Either the blue wire has no power when the key is in run or the solenoid
has no ground.

Mike

Earle Horton wrote:
>
> I remember being told this as a kid, a long, long time ago.
>
> Earle
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:4422AEA7.38D60DAD@sympatico.ca...
> > Replacing parts without testing them gets expensive very quickly.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> >
> > Jacob wrote:
> > >
> > > Sorry about not replying, I had a bit of nasty food poisening.
> > > I replaced the solenoid yesterday, still nothing.
> > >
> > > Jacob
>
> *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
> *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com ***

 

Body ground again.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4422BAD5.10EE1C17@sympatico.ca...
> At least now he has to figure out 'why' the solenoid doesn't work....
>
> Either the blue wire has no power when the key is in run or the solenoid
> has no ground.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > I remember being told this as a kid, a long, long time ago.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4422AEA7.38D60DAD@sympatico.ca...
> > > Replacing parts without testing them gets expensive very quickly.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Jacob wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry about not replying, I had a bit of nasty food poisening.
> > > > I replaced the solenoid yesterday, still nothing.
> > > >
> > > > Jacob
> >
> > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
> > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
http://www.SecureIX.com ***


*** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
*** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com ***

 

Body ground again.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4422BAD5.10EE1C17@sympatico.ca...
> At least now he has to figure out 'why' the solenoid doesn't work....
>
> Either the blue wire has no power when the key is in run or the solenoid
> has no ground.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > I remember being told this as a kid, a long, long time ago.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4422AEA7.38D60DAD@sympatico.ca...
> > > Replacing parts without testing them gets expensive very quickly.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Jacob wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry about not replying, I had a bit of nasty food poisening.
> > > > I replaced the solenoid yesterday, still nothing.
> > > >
> > > > Jacob
> >
> > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
> > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
http://www.SecureIX.com ***


*** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
*** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com ***

 

Body ground again.

Earle

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4422BAD5.10EE1C17@sympatico.ca...
> At least now he has to figure out 'why' the solenoid doesn't work....
>
> Either the blue wire has no power when the key is in run or the solenoid
> has no ground.
>
> Mike
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > I remember being told this as a kid, a long, long time ago.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> > news:4422AEA7.38D60DAD@sympatico.ca...
> > > Replacing parts without testing them gets expensive very quickly.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> > > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> > > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> > > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
> > >
> > > Jacob wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sorry about not replying, I had a bit of nasty food poisening.
> > > > I replaced the solenoid yesterday, still nothing.
> > > >
> > > > Jacob
> >
> > *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
> > *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from
http://www.SecureIX.com ***


*** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com ***
*** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com ***

 

Bring us up to speed, Jacob.

We know:
* That the battery is charged and that the starter cranks when you jump
it directly to the battery, so those two parts are good and adequate
current can flow between those two parts.

* That you've got a new relay in place.

What we don't know:

* If the ground to the fender is good enough to allow the relay to operate.

* If the key switch circuit works.

* If the relay isn't bad out-of-the-box. (Rare, but it happens.)

* If you've any /other/ electrical problems. Do the lights, wipers,
heater fan work?


Try this:

Looking at the relay so that two small posts are facing you and the
can-shaped part is to the top, the small post with the blue wire should
be marked "S". This one gets 12V from the key switch when you turn the
switch to START. The other small post with the green wire should be
marked "C", it feeds raw battery power to the coil [+] terminal only so
long as you hold the key at START, for this problem you don't need to
know more about the "C" terminal.

Pull the connector off the "S" terminal. Jump from the [+] battery
cable (with wire, a screwdriver, something conductive) to the "S"
terminal. The connection should spark and the engine should crank.

IF IT DOES NOTHING:

Bad [+] cable or connections beteen battery to relay.
Bad ground to fender or to entire body. If the relay cannot find [-] it
can't work. Run a jumper from the battery [-] terminal to the metal
case of the relay and try again.

IF IT CRANKS ENGINE:

Bad connection at "S" terminal. If you have the original factory
"push-on" connector it may be full of corrosion.

Blown fuse?

Bad key switch.

Loose connector at key switch.

Bad wiring between relay and key switch, or between key switch and battery.

Open safety switch someplace. If it has an automatic transmission it
might be there. Remember that this was a Postal Service vehicle, so
there might be odd interlocks based on their rules that require the
brake to be applied, or the shifter in neutral, or the clutch to be
depressed, or for you to be wearing a hat.

Let us know how you make out.



Jacob wrote:
> Sorry about not replying, I had a bit of nasty food poisening.
> I replaced the solenoid yesterday, still nothing.
>
> Jacob
>

 

Bring us up to speed, Jacob.

We know:
* That the battery is charged and that the starter cranks when you jump
it directly to the battery, so those two parts are good and adequate
current can flow between those two parts.

* That you've got a new relay in place.

What we don't know:

* If the ground to the fender is good enough to allow the relay to operate.

* If the key switch circuit works.

* If the relay isn't bad out-of-the-box. (Rare, but it happens.)

* If you've any /other/ electrical problems. Do the lights, wipers,
heater fan work?


Try this:

Looking at the relay so that two small posts are facing you and the
can-shaped part is to the top, the small post with the blue wire should
be marked "S". This one gets 12V from the key switch when you turn the
switch to START. The other small post with the green wire should be
marked "C", it feeds raw battery power to the coil [+] terminal only so
long as you hold the key at START, for this problem you don't need to
know more about the "C" terminal.

Pull the connector off the "S" terminal. Jump from the [+] battery
cable (with wire, a screwdriver, something conductive) to the "S"
terminal. The connection should spark and the engine should crank.

IF IT DOES NOTHING:

Bad [+] cable or connections beteen battery to relay.
Bad ground to fender or to entire body. If the relay cannot find [-] it
can't work. Run a jumper from the battery [-] terminal to the metal
case of the relay and try again.

IF IT CRANKS ENGINE:

Bad connection at "S" terminal. If you have the original factory
"push-on" connector it may be full of corrosion.

Blown fuse?

Bad key switch.

Loose connector at key switch.

Bad wiring between relay and key switch, or between key switch and battery.

Open safety switch someplace. If it has an automatic transmission it
might be there. Remember that this was a Postal Service vehicle, so
there might be odd interlocks based on their rules that require the
brake to be applied, or the shifter in neutral, or the clutch to be
depressed, or for you to be wearing a hat.

Let us know how you make out.



Jacob wrote:
> Sorry about not replying, I had a bit of nasty food poisening.
> I replaced the solenoid yesterday, still nothing.
>
> Jacob
>

 

Bring us up to speed, Jacob.

We know:
* That the battery is charged and that the starter cranks when you jump
it directly to the battery, so those two parts are good and adequate
current can flow between those two parts.

* That you've got a new relay in place.

What we don't know:

* If the ground to the fender is good enough to allow the relay to operate.

* If the key switch circuit works.

* If the relay isn't bad out-of-the-box. (Rare, but it happens.)

* If you've any /other/ electrical problems. Do the lights, wipers,
heater fan work?


Try this:

Looking at the relay so that two small posts are facing you and the
can-shaped part is to the top, the small post with the blue wire should
be marked "S". This one gets 12V from the key switch when you turn the
switch to START. The other small post with the green wire should be
marked "C", it feeds raw battery power to the coil [+] terminal only so
long as you hold the key at START, for this problem you don't need to
know more about the "C" terminal.

Pull the connector off the "S" terminal. Jump from the [+] battery
cable (with wire, a screwdriver, something conductive) to the "S"
terminal. The connection should spark and the engine should crank.

IF IT DOES NOTHING:

Bad [+] cable or connections beteen battery to relay.
Bad ground to fender or to entire body. If the relay cannot find [-] it
can't work. Run a jumper from the battery [-] terminal to the metal
case of the relay and try again.

IF IT CRANKS ENGINE:

Bad connection at "S" terminal. If you have the original factory
"push-on" connector it may be full of corrosion.

Blown fuse?

Bad key switch.

Loose connector at key switch.

Bad wiring between relay and key switch, or between key switch and battery.

Open safety switch someplace. If it has an automatic transmission it
might be there. Remember that this was a Postal Service vehicle, so
there might be odd interlocks based on their rules that require the
brake to be applied, or the shifter in neutral, or the clutch to be
depressed, or for you to be wearing a hat.

Let us know how you make out.



Jacob wrote:
> Sorry about not replying, I had a bit of nasty food poisening.
> I replaced the solenoid yesterday, still nothing.
>
> Jacob
>