Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
03-09-2006, 12:13 PM
#61
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Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
Since you need receipts to prove your engine had its oil changed often
enough, they would indicate the brand and type oil used. It'd be easy
for them to see if it was Amsoil and you can bet they would know most
Amsoil products don't have the required API certification. It'd then be
a simple matter to see if the particular Amsoil lube used was API
certified or not.
Earle Horton wrote:
> In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a blown
> engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>
>>If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
>>Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
>>
>>"RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
>>news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>>As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
>>>brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
>>>at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
>>>different please post your proof.
>>>
>>>Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
>>>for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
>>>enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
>>>other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
>>>Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
>>>a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
>>>some applications.
>>>
>>>Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
>>>either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
>>>including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
>>>engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
>>>are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
>>>
>>>You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
>>>races and will win a lot more.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
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enough, they would indicate the brand and type oil used. It'd be easy
for them to see if it was Amsoil and you can bet they would know most
Amsoil products don't have the required API certification. It'd then be
a simple matter to see if the particular Amsoil lube used was API
certified or not.
Earle Horton wrote:
> In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a blown
> engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
>
>>If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
>>Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
>>
>>"RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
>>news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>>As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
>>>brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
>>>at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
>>>different please post your proof.
>>>
>>>Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
>>>for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
>>>enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
>>>other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
>>>Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
>>>a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
>>>some applications.
>>>
>>>Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
>>>either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
>>>including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
>>>engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
>>>are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
>>>
>>>You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
>>>races and will win a lot more.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-09-2006, 12:17 PM
#62
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Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
That few Amsoil products are API certified has been an ongoing problem
since Amsoil started selling lubricants. It's an ongoing problem that
has cost more than a few of their customers big $$$ when neither the
engine manufacturer nor Amsoil would step up to cover major engine
repairs. One such incident in the last year on one of my Jeep forums
was described by a former Amsoil customer where Amsoil basically told
him to go pound sand when he asked for them to cover his engine repairs
after Jeep denied covereage due to his use of a non-API certified engine
oil.
Vito wrote:
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote ...
>
>>What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry
>>the SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep
>>the warranty in effect.
>>
>
> Is this something relatively recent? I used Amsoil in everything from PU trucks
> to 2-stroke race bikes 20 years go, until Mobil 1 began making thicker grades
> than 5w-30. Worked great. For example, I bought a 1980 FLH with 30,000 Miles
> from a dealer who warned me it'd need an overhaul soon. I put Amsoil in it and
> rode it 2000 miles. The oil came out very dirty but the motor smoothed out and
> stopped using and oil. 80,000 miles later I traded it in on a new 'evo', still
> running fine and using no oil. I only quit Amsoil cuz it was so hard to get.
> OTOH I'd not use any oil that wasn't SAE API if I can find one that is.
> Naturally YMMV.
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
since Amsoil started selling lubricants. It's an ongoing problem that
has cost more than a few of their customers big $$$ when neither the
engine manufacturer nor Amsoil would step up to cover major engine
repairs. One such incident in the last year on one of my Jeep forums
was described by a former Amsoil customer where Amsoil basically told
him to go pound sand when he asked for them to cover his engine repairs
after Jeep denied covereage due to his use of a non-API certified engine
oil.
Vito wrote:
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote ...
>
>>What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry
>>the SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep
>>the warranty in effect.
>>
>
> Is this something relatively recent? I used Amsoil in everything from PU trucks
> to 2-stroke race bikes 20 years go, until Mobil 1 began making thicker grades
> than 5w-30. Worked great. For example, I bought a 1980 FLH with 30,000 Miles
> from a dealer who warned me it'd need an overhaul soon. I put Amsoil in it and
> rode it 2000 miles. The oil came out very dirty but the motor smoothed out and
> stopped using and oil. 80,000 miles later I traded it in on a new 'evo', still
> running fine and using no oil. I only quit Amsoil cuz it was so hard to get.
> OTOH I'd not use any oil that wasn't SAE API if I can find one that is.
> Naturally YMMV.
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-09-2006, 12:17 PM
#63
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Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
That few Amsoil products are API certified has been an ongoing problem
since Amsoil started selling lubricants. It's an ongoing problem that
has cost more than a few of their customers big $$$ when neither the
engine manufacturer nor Amsoil would step up to cover major engine
repairs. One such incident in the last year on one of my Jeep forums
was described by a former Amsoil customer where Amsoil basically told
him to go pound sand when he asked for them to cover his engine repairs
after Jeep denied covereage due to his use of a non-API certified engine
oil.
Vito wrote:
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote ...
>
>>What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry
>>the SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep
>>the warranty in effect.
>>
>
> Is this something relatively recent? I used Amsoil in everything from PU trucks
> to 2-stroke race bikes 20 years go, until Mobil 1 began making thicker grades
> than 5w-30. Worked great. For example, I bought a 1980 FLH with 30,000 Miles
> from a dealer who warned me it'd need an overhaul soon. I put Amsoil in it and
> rode it 2000 miles. The oil came out very dirty but the motor smoothed out and
> stopped using and oil. 80,000 miles later I traded it in on a new 'evo', still
> running fine and using no oil. I only quit Amsoil cuz it was so hard to get.
> OTOH I'd not use any oil that wasn't SAE API if I can find one that is.
> Naturally YMMV.
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
since Amsoil started selling lubricants. It's an ongoing problem that
has cost more than a few of their customers big $$$ when neither the
engine manufacturer nor Amsoil would step up to cover major engine
repairs. One such incident in the last year on one of my Jeep forums
was described by a former Amsoil customer where Amsoil basically told
him to go pound sand when he asked for them to cover his engine repairs
after Jeep denied covereage due to his use of a non-API certified engine
oil.
Vito wrote:
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote ...
>
>>What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry
>>the SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep
>>the warranty in effect.
>>
>
> Is this something relatively recent? I used Amsoil in everything from PU trucks
> to 2-stroke race bikes 20 years go, until Mobil 1 began making thicker grades
> than 5w-30. Worked great. For example, I bought a 1980 FLH with 30,000 Miles
> from a dealer who warned me it'd need an overhaul soon. I put Amsoil in it and
> rode it 2000 miles. The oil came out very dirty but the motor smoothed out and
> stopped using and oil. 80,000 miles later I traded it in on a new 'evo', still
> running fine and using no oil. I only quit Amsoil cuz it was so hard to get.
> OTOH I'd not use any oil that wasn't SAE API if I can find one that is.
> Naturally YMMV.
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-09-2006, 12:17 PM
#64
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Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
That few Amsoil products are API certified has been an ongoing problem
since Amsoil started selling lubricants. It's an ongoing problem that
has cost more than a few of their customers big $$$ when neither the
engine manufacturer nor Amsoil would step up to cover major engine
repairs. One such incident in the last year on one of my Jeep forums
was described by a former Amsoil customer where Amsoil basically told
him to go pound sand when he asked for them to cover his engine repairs
after Jeep denied covereage due to his use of a non-API certified engine
oil.
Vito wrote:
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote ...
>
>>What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry
>>the SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep
>>the warranty in effect.
>>
>
> Is this something relatively recent? I used Amsoil in everything from PU trucks
> to 2-stroke race bikes 20 years go, until Mobil 1 began making thicker grades
> than 5w-30. Worked great. For example, I bought a 1980 FLH with 30,000 Miles
> from a dealer who warned me it'd need an overhaul soon. I put Amsoil in it and
> rode it 2000 miles. The oil came out very dirty but the motor smoothed out and
> stopped using and oil. 80,000 miles later I traded it in on a new 'evo', still
> running fine and using no oil. I only quit Amsoil cuz it was so hard to get.
> OTOH I'd not use any oil that wasn't SAE API if I can find one that is.
> Naturally YMMV.
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
since Amsoil started selling lubricants. It's an ongoing problem that
has cost more than a few of their customers big $$$ when neither the
engine manufacturer nor Amsoil would step up to cover major engine
repairs. One such incident in the last year on one of my Jeep forums
was described by a former Amsoil customer where Amsoil basically told
him to go pound sand when he asked for them to cover his engine repairs
after Jeep denied covereage due to his use of a non-API certified engine
oil.
Vito wrote:
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote ...
>
>>What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry
>>the SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep
>>the warranty in effect.
>>
>
> Is this something relatively recent? I used Amsoil in everything from PU trucks
> to 2-stroke race bikes 20 years go, until Mobil 1 began making thicker grades
> than 5w-30. Worked great. For example, I bought a 1980 FLH with 30,000 Miles
> from a dealer who warned me it'd need an overhaul soon. I put Amsoil in it and
> rode it 2000 miles. The oil came out very dirty but the motor smoothed out and
> stopped using and oil. 80,000 miles later I traded it in on a new 'evo', still
> running fine and using no oil. I only quit Amsoil cuz it was so hard to get.
> OTOH I'd not use any oil that wasn't SAE API if I can find one that is.
> Naturally YMMV.
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-09-2006, 12:17 PM
#65
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Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
That few Amsoil products are API certified has been an ongoing problem
since Amsoil started selling lubricants. It's an ongoing problem that
has cost more than a few of their customers big $$$ when neither the
engine manufacturer nor Amsoil would step up to cover major engine
repairs. One such incident in the last year on one of my Jeep forums
was described by a former Amsoil customer where Amsoil basically told
him to go pound sand when he asked for them to cover his engine repairs
after Jeep denied covereage due to his use of a non-API certified engine
oil.
Vito wrote:
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote ...
>
>>What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry
>>the SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep
>>the warranty in effect.
>>
>
> Is this something relatively recent? I used Amsoil in everything from PU trucks
> to 2-stroke race bikes 20 years go, until Mobil 1 began making thicker grades
> than 5w-30. Worked great. For example, I bought a 1980 FLH with 30,000 Miles
> from a dealer who warned me it'd need an overhaul soon. I put Amsoil in it and
> rode it 2000 miles. The oil came out very dirty but the motor smoothed out and
> stopped using and oil. 80,000 miles later I traded it in on a new 'evo', still
> running fine and using no oil. I only quit Amsoil cuz it was so hard to get.
> OTOH I'd not use any oil that wasn't SAE API if I can find one that is.
> Naturally YMMV.
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
since Amsoil started selling lubricants. It's an ongoing problem that
has cost more than a few of their customers big $$$ when neither the
engine manufacturer nor Amsoil would step up to cover major engine
repairs. One such incident in the last year on one of my Jeep forums
was described by a former Amsoil customer where Amsoil basically told
him to go pound sand when he asked for them to cover his engine repairs
after Jeep denied covereage due to his use of a non-API certified engine
oil.
Vito wrote:
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote ...
>
>>What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry
>>the SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep
>>the warranty in effect.
>>
>
> Is this something relatively recent? I used Amsoil in everything from PU trucks
> to 2-stroke race bikes 20 years go, until Mobil 1 began making thicker grades
> than 5w-30. Worked great. For example, I bought a 1980 FLH with 30,000 Miles
> from a dealer who warned me it'd need an overhaul soon. I put Amsoil in it and
> rode it 2000 miles. The oil came out very dirty but the motor smoothed out and
> stopped using and oil. 80,000 miles later I traded it in on a new 'evo', still
> running fine and using no oil. I only quit Amsoil cuz it was so hard to get.
> OTOH I'd not use any oil that wasn't SAE API if I can find one that is.
> Naturally YMMV.
>
>
--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/
03-09-2006, 10:19 PM
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Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
Galled bearings:
http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/ima...am_bearing.jpg and sludge.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a blown
> engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
> > Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
> >
> > "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> > news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> > >
> > > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> > > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > > different please post your proof.
> > >
> > > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> > > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> > > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> > > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > > some applications.
> > >
> > > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> > > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> > > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> > >
> > > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> > > races and will win a lot more.
> > >
> >
> >
http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/ima...am_bearing.jpg and sludge.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a blown
> engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
> > Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
> >
> > "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> > news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> > >
> > > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> > > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > > different please post your proof.
> > >
> > > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> > > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> > > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> > > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > > some applications.
> > >
> > > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> > > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> > > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> > >
> > > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> > > races and will win a lot more.
> > >
> >
> >
03-09-2006, 10:19 PM
#67
Guest
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Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
Galled bearings:
http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/ima...am_bearing.jpg and sludge.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a blown
> engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
> > Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
> >
> > "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> > news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> > >
> > > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> > > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > > different please post your proof.
> > >
> > > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> > > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> > > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> > > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > > some applications.
> > >
> > > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> > > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> > > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> > >
> > > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> > > races and will win a lot more.
> > >
> >
> >
http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/ima...am_bearing.jpg and sludge.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a blown
> engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
> > Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
> >
> > "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> > news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> > >
> > > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> > > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > > different please post your proof.
> > >
> > > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> > > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> > > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> > > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > > some applications.
> > >
> > > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> > > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> > > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> > >
> > > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> > > races and will win a lot more.
> > >
> >
> >
03-09-2006, 10:19 PM
#68
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Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
Galled bearings:
http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/ima...am_bearing.jpg and sludge.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a blown
> engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
> > Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
> >
> > "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> > news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> > >
> > > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> > > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > > different please post your proof.
> > >
> > > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> > > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> > > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> > > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > > some applications.
> > >
> > > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> > > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> > > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> > >
> > > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> > > races and will win a lot more.
> > >
> >
> >
http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/ima...am_bearing.jpg and sludge.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a blown
> engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
> > Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
> >
> > "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> > news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> > >
> > > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> > > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > > different please post your proof.
> > >
> > > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> > > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> > > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> > > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > > some applications.
> > >
> > > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> > > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> > > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> > >
> > > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> > > races and will win a lot more.
> > >
> >
> >
03-09-2006, 10:19 PM
#69
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
Galled bearings:
http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/ima...am_bearing.jpg and sludge.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a blown
> engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
> > Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
> >
> > "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> > news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> > >
> > > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> > > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > > different please post your proof.
> > >
> > > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> > > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> > > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> > > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > > some applications.
> > >
> > > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> > > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> > > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> > >
> > > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> > > races and will win a lot more.
> > >
> >
> >
http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/ima...am_bearing.jpg and sludge.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a blown
> engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
>
> Earle
>
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
> > Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
> >
> > "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> > news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> > >
> > > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> > > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > > different please post your proof.
> > >
> > > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> > > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> > > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> > > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > > some applications.
> > >
> > > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> > > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> > > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> > >
> > > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> > > races and will win a lot more.
> > >
> >
> >
03-10-2006, 08:29 AM
#70
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Differential Lubricant Recommendations?
Neither sludge nor galled bearings are proof positive of non-certified oil.
In fact, the most likely cause of both is a bad thermostat. For some
reason, this reminds me of the time the truck dealer I was working for tried
to get warranty money from Mack, for a bad liner and piston. The factory
reps came in, looked at the intake, and found some tiny aluminum shavings.
They tried to say that the vehicle owner had modified the intake with a hack
saw, leaving shavings. The dealer came out with a tape measure, and
demanded to know the dimensions of a new part. The reps didn't know, and
Mack wound up paying.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4410F04B.46B2AAB2@***.net...
> Galled bearings:
> http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/ima...am_bearing.jpg and sludge.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a
blown
> > engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's
warranty.
> > > Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
> > >
> > > "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> > > news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> > > >
> > > > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > > > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is
changed
> > > > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > > > different please post your proof.
> > > >
> > > > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic
oils
> > > > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not
an
> > > > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > > > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > > > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell
by
> > > > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > > > some applications.
> > > >
> > > > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > > > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche
911,
> > > > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod
motorcycle
> > > > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > > > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> > > >
> > > > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot
of
> > > > races and will win a lot more.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
In fact, the most likely cause of both is a bad thermostat. For some
reason, this reminds me of the time the truck dealer I was working for tried
to get warranty money from Mack, for a bad liner and piston. The factory
reps came in, looked at the intake, and found some tiny aluminum shavings.
They tried to say that the vehicle owner had modified the intake with a hack
saw, leaving shavings. The dealer came out with a tape measure, and
demanded to know the dimensions of a new part. The reps didn't know, and
Mack wound up paying.
Earle
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4410F04B.46B2AAB2@***.net...
> Galled bearings:
> http://www.dilysimotorsports.com/ima...am_bearing.jpg and sludge.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Earle Horton wrote:
> >
> > In a hypothetical case, where a customer brings in his vehicle with a
blown
> > engine, how exactly do "they" determine that non-certified oil was used?
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> > news:oISdndNG6eG0gY3ZRVn-jA@comcast.com...
> > > If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's
warranty.
> > > Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.
> > >
> > > "RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
> > > news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
> > > >
> > > > As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> > > > brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is
changed
> > > > at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> > > > different please post your proof.
> > > >
> > > > Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic
oils
> > > > for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not
an
> > > > enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> > > > other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> > > > Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell
by
> > > > a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> > > > some applications.
> > > >
> > > > Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> > > > either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche
911,
> > > > including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod
motorcycle
> > > > engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> > > > are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
> > > >
> > > > You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot
of
> > > > races and will win a lot more.
> > > >
> > >
> > >