Jerry Bransford

What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry
the SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep
the warranty in effect.

Mike Romain wrote:
> RapidRonnie wrote:
>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>I would recommend what the owners manual calls for....
>>>
>>>I would stay far far away from unapproved snake oils and go with a real
>>>brand name oil.
>>>
>>
>> Amsoil is a real brand name oil. in some situation their gear lubes
>>can be very good. I like their engine oils but only in LPG engines or
>>extreme cold. Other synthetics the same applies. I would never use
>>synthetics in a diesel or in any engine with a lot of time/miles on
>>regular oil on it since OH. Also I would never use it on an engine
>>running heavily leaded fuels. Even running 10% 100LL in my R80 BMW
>>motorcycle I won't use it. I no longer have to do that since I had my
>>heads twinplugged but now I will stick with Aeroshell until teardown.
>>(Which will be after I get my second engine majored and in the bike.)
>>
>> Among synthetics i have used Amsoil, Mobil and Klotz. They all are the
>>same.
>
>
> Nope, they sure as hell aren't all the same. Amsoil will void any
> manufacturers warranty out there. It is total snake oil garbage.
>
> I read the 'spamsoil' page and they say 'when' the maker of your vehicle
> voids your blown engine's warranty for using the unapproved oil, you can
> send it to them and if 'they' decide the fault was their oil they will
> replace the engine. LOL! Ya right, like they can find fault with their
> crap.
>
> A spamsoil sales droid gave me a case of the crap when he finally gave
> up trying to find suckers. I refuse to us it in any vehicle I own so I
> tossed the ---- out to the recycle.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry
the SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep
the warranty in effect.

Mike Romain wrote:
> RapidRonnie wrote:
>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>I would recommend what the owners manual calls for....
>>>
>>>I would stay far far away from unapproved snake oils and go with a real
>>>brand name oil.
>>>
>>
>> Amsoil is a real brand name oil. in some situation their gear lubes
>>can be very good. I like their engine oils but only in LPG engines or
>>extreme cold. Other synthetics the same applies. I would never use
>>synthetics in a diesel or in any engine with a lot of time/miles on
>>regular oil on it since OH. Also I would never use it on an engine
>>running heavily leaded fuels. Even running 10% 100LL in my R80 BMW
>>motorcycle I won't use it. I no longer have to do that since I had my
>>heads twinplugged but now I will stick with Aeroshell until teardown.
>>(Which will be after I get my second engine majored and in the bike.)
>>
>> Among synthetics i have used Amsoil, Mobil and Klotz. They all are the
>>same.
>
>
> Nope, they sure as hell aren't all the same. Amsoil will void any
> manufacturers warranty out there. It is total snake oil garbage.
>
> I read the 'spamsoil' page and they say 'when' the maker of your vehicle
> voids your blown engine's warranty for using the unapproved oil, you can
> send it to them and if 'they' decide the fault was their oil they will
> replace the engine. LOL! Ya right, like they can find fault with their
> crap.
>
> A spamsoil sales droid gave me a case of the crap when he finally gave
> up trying to find suckers. I refuse to us it in any vehicle I own so I
> tossed the ---- out to the recycle.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Jerry Bransford

What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry
the SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep
the warranty in effect.

Mike Romain wrote:
> RapidRonnie wrote:
>
>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>
>>>I would recommend what the owners manual calls for....
>>>
>>>I would stay far far away from unapproved snake oils and go with a real
>>>brand name oil.
>>>
>>
>> Amsoil is a real brand name oil. in some situation their gear lubes
>>can be very good. I like their engine oils but only in LPG engines or
>>extreme cold. Other synthetics the same applies. I would never use
>>synthetics in a diesel or in any engine with a lot of time/miles on
>>regular oil on it since OH. Also I would never use it on an engine
>>running heavily leaded fuels. Even running 10% 100LL in my R80 BMW
>>motorcycle I won't use it. I no longer have to do that since I had my
>>heads twinplugged but now I will stick with Aeroshell until teardown.
>>(Which will be after I get my second engine majored and in the bike.)
>>
>> Among synthetics i have used Amsoil, Mobil and Klotz. They all are the
>>same.
>
>
> Nope, they sure as hell aren't all the same. Amsoil will void any
> manufacturers warranty out there. It is total snake oil garbage.
>
> I read the 'spamsoil' page and they say 'when' the maker of your vehicle
> voids your blown engine's warranty for using the unapproved oil, you can
> send it to them and if 'they' decide the fault was their oil they will
> replace the engine. LOL! Ya right, like they can find fault with their
> crap.
>
> A spamsoil sales droid gave me a case of the crap when he finally gave
> up trying to find suckers. I refuse to us it in any vehicle I own so I
> tossed the ---- out to the recycle.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

--
Jerry Bransford
PP-ASEL N6TAY
See the Geezer Jeep at
http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Matt Macchiarolo

And Amsoil's excuse is that they "update" their formulations so often that
it would be cost-prohibitive to continually secure API certifications on
every new formulation. What a crock.

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:slPPf.2433$Uc2.323@fed1read04...
> What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry the
> SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep the
> warranty in effect.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> RapidRonnie wrote:
>>
>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>>>I would recommend what the owners manual calls for....
>>>>
>>>>I would stay far far away from unapproved snake oils and go with a real
>>>>brand name oil.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Amsoil is a real brand name oil. in some situation their gear lubes
>>>can be very good. I like their engine oils but only in LPG engines or
>>>extreme cold. Other synthetics the same applies. I would never use
>>>synthetics in a diesel or in any engine with a lot of time/miles on
>>>regular oil on it since OH. Also I would never use it on an engine
>>>running heavily leaded fuels. Even running 10% 100LL in my R80 BMW
>>>motorcycle I won't use it. I no longer have to do that since I had my
>>>heads twinplugged but now I will stick with Aeroshell until teardown.
>>>(Which will be after I get my second engine majored and in the bike.)
>>>
>>> Among synthetics i have used Amsoil, Mobil and Klotz. They all are the
>>>same.
>>
>>
>> Nope, they sure as hell aren't all the same. Amsoil will void any
>> manufacturers warranty out there. It is total snake oil garbage.
>>
>> I read the 'spamsoil' page and they say 'when' the maker of your vehicle
>> voids your blown engine's warranty for using the unapproved oil, you can
>> send it to them and if 'they' decide the fault was their oil they will
>> replace the engine. LOL! Ya right, like they can find fault with their
>> crap.
>>
>> A spamsoil sales droid gave me a case of the crap when he finally gave
>> up trying to find suckers. I refuse to us it in any vehicle I own so I
>> tossed the ---- out to the recycle.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Matt Macchiarolo

And Amsoil's excuse is that they "update" their formulations so often that
it would be cost-prohibitive to continually secure API certifications on
every new formulation. What a crock.

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:slPPf.2433$Uc2.323@fed1read04...
> What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry the
> SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep the
> warranty in effect.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> RapidRonnie wrote:
>>
>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>>>I would recommend what the owners manual calls for....
>>>>
>>>>I would stay far far away from unapproved snake oils and go with a real
>>>>brand name oil.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Amsoil is a real brand name oil. in some situation their gear lubes
>>>can be very good. I like their engine oils but only in LPG engines or
>>>extreme cold. Other synthetics the same applies. I would never use
>>>synthetics in a diesel or in any engine with a lot of time/miles on
>>>regular oil on it since OH. Also I would never use it on an engine
>>>running heavily leaded fuels. Even running 10% 100LL in my R80 BMW
>>>motorcycle I won't use it. I no longer have to do that since I had my
>>>heads twinplugged but now I will stick with Aeroshell until teardown.
>>>(Which will be after I get my second engine majored and in the bike.)
>>>
>>> Among synthetics i have used Amsoil, Mobil and Klotz. They all are the
>>>same.
>>
>>
>> Nope, they sure as hell aren't all the same. Amsoil will void any
>> manufacturers warranty out there. It is total snake oil garbage.
>>
>> I read the 'spamsoil' page and they say 'when' the maker of your vehicle
>> voids your blown engine's warranty for using the unapproved oil, you can
>> send it to them and if 'they' decide the fault was their oil they will
>> replace the engine. LOL! Ya right, like they can find fault with their
>> crap.
>>
>> A spamsoil sales droid gave me a case of the crap when he finally gave
>> up trying to find suckers. I refuse to us it in any vehicle I own so I
>> tossed the ---- out to the recycle.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Matt Macchiarolo

And Amsoil's excuse is that they "update" their formulations so often that
it would be cost-prohibitive to continually secure API certifications on
every new formulation. What a crock.

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:slPPf.2433$Uc2.323@fed1read04...
> What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry the
> SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep the
> warranty in effect.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> RapidRonnie wrote:
>>
>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>>>I would recommend what the owners manual calls for....
>>>>
>>>>I would stay far far away from unapproved snake oils and go with a real
>>>>brand name oil.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Amsoil is a real brand name oil. in some situation their gear lubes
>>>can be very good. I like their engine oils but only in LPG engines or
>>>extreme cold. Other synthetics the same applies. I would never use
>>>synthetics in a diesel or in any engine with a lot of time/miles on
>>>regular oil on it since OH. Also I would never use it on an engine
>>>running heavily leaded fuels. Even running 10% 100LL in my R80 BMW
>>>motorcycle I won't use it. I no longer have to do that since I had my
>>>heads twinplugged but now I will stick with Aeroshell until teardown.
>>>(Which will be after I get my second engine majored and in the bike.)
>>>
>>> Among synthetics i have used Amsoil, Mobil and Klotz. They all are the
>>>same.
>>
>>
>> Nope, they sure as hell aren't all the same. Amsoil will void any
>> manufacturers warranty out there. It is total snake oil garbage.
>>
>> I read the 'spamsoil' page and they say 'when' the maker of your vehicle
>> voids your blown engine's warranty for using the unapproved oil, you can
>> send it to them and if 'they' decide the fault was their oil they will
>> replace the engine. LOL! Ya right, like they can find fault with their
>> crap.
>>
>> A spamsoil sales droid gave me a case of the crap when he finally gave
>> up trying to find suckers. I refuse to us it in any vehicle I own so I
>> tossed the ---- out to the recycle.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Matt Macchiarolo

And Amsoil's excuse is that they "update" their formulations so often that
it would be cost-prohibitive to continually secure API certifications on
every new formulation. What a crock.

"Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@***.net> wrote in message
news:slPPf.2433$Uc2.323@fed1read04...
> What few realize is that few Amsoil lubes have been certified to carry the
> SAE API seal which is required by automotive manufacturers to keep the
> warranty in effect.
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>> RapidRonnie wrote:
>>
>>>Mike Romain wrote:
>>>
>>>>I would recommend what the owners manual calls for....
>>>>
>>>>I would stay far far away from unapproved snake oils and go with a real
>>>>brand name oil.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Amsoil is a real brand name oil. in some situation their gear lubes
>>>can be very good. I like their engine oils but only in LPG engines or
>>>extreme cold. Other synthetics the same applies. I would never use
>>>synthetics in a diesel or in any engine with a lot of time/miles on
>>>regular oil on it since OH. Also I would never use it on an engine
>>>running heavily leaded fuels. Even running 10% 100LL in my R80 BMW
>>>motorcycle I won't use it. I no longer have to do that since I had my
>>>heads twinplugged but now I will stick with Aeroshell until teardown.
>>>(Which will be after I get my second engine majored and in the bike.)
>>>
>>> Among synthetics i have used Amsoil, Mobil and Klotz. They all are the
>>>same.
>>
>>
>> Nope, they sure as hell aren't all the same. Amsoil will void any
>> manufacturers warranty out there. It is total snake oil garbage.
>>
>> I read the 'spamsoil' page and they say 'when' the maker of your vehicle
>> voids your blown engine's warranty for using the unapproved oil, you can
>> send it to them and if 'they' decide the fault was their oil they will
>> replace the engine. LOL! Ya right, like they can find fault with their
>> crap.
>>
>> A spamsoil sales droid gave me a case of the crap when he finally gave
>> up trying to find suckers. I refuse to us it in any vehicle I own so I
>> tossed the ---- out to the recycle.
>>
>> Mike
>> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
>> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
>> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> --
> Jerry Bransford
> PP-ASEL N6TAY
> See the Geezer Jeep at
> http://members.***.net/jerrypb/

Matt Macchiarolo

If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.

"RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> different please post your proof.
>
> Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> some applications.
>
> Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
>
> You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> races and will win a lot more.
>

Matt Macchiarolo

If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.

"RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> different please post your proof.
>
> Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> some applications.
>
> Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
>
> You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> races and will win a lot more.
>

Matt Macchiarolo

If an oil is not API certified, it will void any manufacturer's warranty.
Most if not all Amsoil products are NOT API certified.

"RapidRonnie" <rapidronnie@cbgb.net> wrote in message
news:1141874920.852867.9470@u72g2000cwu.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> As far as I know no manufacturer specifically prohibits Amsoil by
> brand. If the oil meets SAE specifications and ratings and is changed
> at the specified interval I know of no problem. If you can prove
> different please post your proof.
>
> Klotz, Bel-Ray, and many other small manufacturers sell synthetic oils
> for niche markets and they do very well in those markets. I am not an
> enthusiast of synthetics for general purpose use but for racing or
> other extreme service they offer advantages and I would use them.
> Amsoil is cheaper than Klotz and more available. It's true they sell by
> a method I am not in love with but their oil has proven effective in
> some applications.
>
> Ashless dispersant aviaton oils are not SAE approved for auto use
> either and anyone with an air cooled engine other than a Porsche 911,
> including a VW, Corvair, or similar, or air cooled pushrod motorcycle
> engines with shell bearings, uses nothing else on the street if they
> are not an idiot. Many Harley riders do too.
>
> You have an unjustified animus against Amsoil. Amsoil has won a lot of
> races and will win a lot more.
>