Diesel Liberty
04-05-2006, 09:24 AM
#21
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Re: Diesel Liberty
I don't know what the diesels get but my 05 Libby was getting 16.4 avg,
running mid grade when I traded it in.
Only trouble I had with it (a WHOLE 9k miles) was the cd player.
It's a nice little rig so long as you're SURE it's what you want.
(that there my friend was the voice of experience you just heard)
Kate
2O|||||||O6 Rubicon
<eric@rr.com> wrote in message
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: MotorWeek did a bit on it a few weeks back. Basically they said that
: the increased mpg is negated by the higher cost of diesel (vs regular
: unleaded).
:
: On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
: wrote:
:
: >Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
: >The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
: >in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
: >
: >Thanks!
: >
: >Mark
running mid grade when I traded it in.
Only trouble I had with it (a WHOLE 9k miles) was the cd player.
It's a nice little rig so long as you're SURE it's what you want.
(that there my friend was the voice of experience you just heard)
Kate
2O|||||||O6 Rubicon
<eric@rr.com> wrote in message
news:328732174di0frdjkdjfprln3hrglmemgh@4ax.com...
: MotorWeek did a bit on it a few weeks back. Basically they said that
: the increased mpg is negated by the higher cost of diesel (vs regular
: unleaded).
:
: On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
: wrote:
:
: >Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
: >The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
: >in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
: >
: >Thanks!
: >
: >Mark
04-05-2006, 09:24 AM
#22
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Re: Diesel Liberty
I don't know what the diesels get but my 05 Libby was getting 16.4 avg,
running mid grade when I traded it in.
Only trouble I had with it (a WHOLE 9k miles) was the cd player.
It's a nice little rig so long as you're SURE it's what you want.
(that there my friend was the voice of experience you just heard)
Kate
2O|||||||O6 Rubicon
<eric@rr.com> wrote in message
news:328732174di0frdjkdjfprln3hrglmemgh@4ax.com...
: MotorWeek did a bit on it a few weeks back. Basically they said that
: the increased mpg is negated by the higher cost of diesel (vs regular
: unleaded).
:
: On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
: wrote:
:
: >Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
: >The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
: >in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
: >
: >Thanks!
: >
: >Mark
running mid grade when I traded it in.
Only trouble I had with it (a WHOLE 9k miles) was the cd player.
It's a nice little rig so long as you're SURE it's what you want.
(that there my friend was the voice of experience you just heard)
Kate
2O|||||||O6 Rubicon
<eric@rr.com> wrote in message
news:328732174di0frdjkdjfprln3hrglmemgh@4ax.com...
: MotorWeek did a bit on it a few weeks back. Basically they said that
: the increased mpg is negated by the higher cost of diesel (vs regular
: unleaded).
:
: On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
: wrote:
:
: >Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
: >The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
: >in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
: >
: >Thanks!
: >
: >Mark
04-05-2006, 11:19 AM
#23
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Re: Diesel Liberty
Kate,
That's not what you were saying when you first bought it. You were very
defensive, about how it was a "real" Jeep, etc.
Earle
"Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
news:8DOYf.8716$Q7.1499@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> I don't know what the diesels get but my 05 Libby was getting 16.4 avg,
> running mid grade when I traded it in.
> Only trouble I had with it (a WHOLE 9k miles) was the cd player.
>
> It's a nice little rig so long as you're SURE it's what you want.
> (that there my friend was the voice of experience you just heard)
>
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O6 Rubicon
>
> <eric@rr.com> wrote in message
> news:328732174di0frdjkdjfprln3hrglmemgh@4ax.com...
> : MotorWeek did a bit on it a few weeks back. Basically they said that
> : the increased mpg is negated by the higher cost of diesel (vs regular
> : unleaded).
> :
> : On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> : wrote:
> :
> : >Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
> : >The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
> : >in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
> : >
> : >Thanks!
> : >
> : >Mark
>
>
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That's not what you were saying when you first bought it. You were very
defensive, about how it was a "real" Jeep, etc.
Earle
"Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
news:8DOYf.8716$Q7.1499@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> I don't know what the diesels get but my 05 Libby was getting 16.4 avg,
> running mid grade when I traded it in.
> Only trouble I had with it (a WHOLE 9k miles) was the cd player.
>
> It's a nice little rig so long as you're SURE it's what you want.
> (that there my friend was the voice of experience you just heard)
>
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O6 Rubicon
>
> <eric@rr.com> wrote in message
> news:328732174di0frdjkdjfprln3hrglmemgh@4ax.com...
> : MotorWeek did a bit on it a few weeks back. Basically they said that
> : the increased mpg is negated by the higher cost of diesel (vs regular
> : unleaded).
> :
> : On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> : wrote:
> :
> : >Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
> : >The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
> : >in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
> : >
> : >Thanks!
> : >
> : >Mark
>
>
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04-05-2006, 11:19 AM
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Re: Diesel Liberty
Kate,
That's not what you were saying when you first bought it. You were very
defensive, about how it was a "real" Jeep, etc.
Earle
"Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
news:8DOYf.8716$Q7.1499@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> I don't know what the diesels get but my 05 Libby was getting 16.4 avg,
> running mid grade when I traded it in.
> Only trouble I had with it (a WHOLE 9k miles) was the cd player.
>
> It's a nice little rig so long as you're SURE it's what you want.
> (that there my friend was the voice of experience you just heard)
>
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O6 Rubicon
>
> <eric@rr.com> wrote in message
> news:328732174di0frdjkdjfprln3hrglmemgh@4ax.com...
> : MotorWeek did a bit on it a few weeks back. Basically they said that
> : the increased mpg is negated by the higher cost of diesel (vs regular
> : unleaded).
> :
> : On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> : wrote:
> :
> : >Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
> : >The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
> : >in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
> : >
> : >Thanks!
> : >
> : >Mark
>
>
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That's not what you were saying when you first bought it. You were very
defensive, about how it was a "real" Jeep, etc.
Earle
"Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
news:8DOYf.8716$Q7.1499@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> I don't know what the diesels get but my 05 Libby was getting 16.4 avg,
> running mid grade when I traded it in.
> Only trouble I had with it (a WHOLE 9k miles) was the cd player.
>
> It's a nice little rig so long as you're SURE it's what you want.
> (that there my friend was the voice of experience you just heard)
>
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O6 Rubicon
>
> <eric@rr.com> wrote in message
> news:328732174di0frdjkdjfprln3hrglmemgh@4ax.com...
> : MotorWeek did a bit on it a few weeks back. Basically they said that
> : the increased mpg is negated by the higher cost of diesel (vs regular
> : unleaded).
> :
> : On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> : wrote:
> :
> : >Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
> : >The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
> : >in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
> : >
> : >Thanks!
> : >
> : >Mark
>
>
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04-05-2006, 11:19 AM
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Re: Diesel Liberty
Kate,
That's not what you were saying when you first bought it. You were very
defensive, about how it was a "real" Jeep, etc.
Earle
"Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
news:8DOYf.8716$Q7.1499@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> I don't know what the diesels get but my 05 Libby was getting 16.4 avg,
> running mid grade when I traded it in.
> Only trouble I had with it (a WHOLE 9k miles) was the cd player.
>
> It's a nice little rig so long as you're SURE it's what you want.
> (that there my friend was the voice of experience you just heard)
>
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O6 Rubicon
>
> <eric@rr.com> wrote in message
> news:328732174di0frdjkdjfprln3hrglmemgh@4ax.com...
> : MotorWeek did a bit on it a few weeks back. Basically they said that
> : the increased mpg is negated by the higher cost of diesel (vs regular
> : unleaded).
> :
> : On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> : wrote:
> :
> : >Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
> : >The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
> : >in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
> : >
> : >Thanks!
> : >
> : >Mark
>
>
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That's not what you were saying when you first bought it. You were very
defensive, about how it was a "real" Jeep, etc.
Earle
"Kate" <Kate@dub.dub.dub.com (please ask)> wrote in message
news:8DOYf.8716$Q7.1499@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> I don't know what the diesels get but my 05 Libby was getting 16.4 avg,
> running mid grade when I traded it in.
> Only trouble I had with it (a WHOLE 9k miles) was the cd player.
>
> It's a nice little rig so long as you're SURE it's what you want.
> (that there my friend was the voice of experience you just heard)
>
> Kate
> 2O|||||||O6 Rubicon
>
> <eric@rr.com> wrote in message
> news:328732174di0frdjkdjfprln3hrglmemgh@4ax.com...
> : MotorWeek did a bit on it a few weeks back. Basically they said that
> : the increased mpg is negated by the higher cost of diesel (vs regular
> : unleaded).
> :
> : On Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:48:13 GMT, Mark Perrin <ms.perrin@shaw.ca>
> : wrote:
> :
> : >Any experience with the diesel version? What's the mileage really like?
> : >The consumer reports say not enough data. It's been around for a while
> : >in Europe though so I'm also wondering what the life expectancy is.
> : >
> : >Thanks!
> : >
> : >Mark
>
>
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04-05-2006, 11:20 AM
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Re: Diesel Liberty
This discussion has nothing to do with emissions or economy. It is all
politics. In that case, anyone's opinion is as good as anyone else's.
Earle
"Jason Backshall" <jbackshall@staff.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:44337add$0$20631$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44334C7E.F5165163@***.net...
> > They are too dirty to be sold in California:
> > http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Scary part is, the EURO4/EURO5 standard Diesels, when tuned and running
> properly, are cleaner than a well-tuned petrol engine.
>
>
>
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politics. In that case, anyone's opinion is as good as anyone else's.
Earle
"Jason Backshall" <jbackshall@staff.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:44337add$0$20631$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44334C7E.F5165163@***.net...
> > They are too dirty to be sold in California:
> > http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Scary part is, the EURO4/EURO5 standard Diesels, when tuned and running
> properly, are cleaner than a well-tuned petrol engine.
>
>
>
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04-05-2006, 11:20 AM
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Re: Diesel Liberty
This discussion has nothing to do with emissions or economy. It is all
politics. In that case, anyone's opinion is as good as anyone else's.
Earle
"Jason Backshall" <jbackshall@staff.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:44337add$0$20631$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44334C7E.F5165163@***.net...
> > They are too dirty to be sold in California:
> > http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Scary part is, the EURO4/EURO5 standard Diesels, when tuned and running
> properly, are cleaner than a well-tuned petrol engine.
>
>
>
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politics. In that case, anyone's opinion is as good as anyone else's.
Earle
"Jason Backshall" <jbackshall@staff.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:44337add$0$20631$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44334C7E.F5165163@***.net...
> > They are too dirty to be sold in California:
> > http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Scary part is, the EURO4/EURO5 standard Diesels, when tuned and running
> properly, are cleaner than a well-tuned petrol engine.
>
>
>
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04-05-2006, 11:20 AM
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Re: Diesel Liberty
This discussion has nothing to do with emissions or economy. It is all
politics. In that case, anyone's opinion is as good as anyone else's.
Earle
"Jason Backshall" <jbackshall@staff.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:44337add$0$20631$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44334C7E.F5165163@***.net...
> > They are too dirty to be sold in California:
> > http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Scary part is, the EURO4/EURO5 standard Diesels, when tuned and running
> properly, are cleaner than a well-tuned petrol engine.
>
>
>
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politics. In that case, anyone's opinion is as good as anyone else's.
Earle
"Jason Backshall" <jbackshall@staff.iinet.net.au> wrote in message
news:44337add$0$20631$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au...
>
> "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:44334C7E.F5165163@***.net...
> > They are too dirty to be sold in California:
> > http://www.dieselnet.com/standards/us/light.html
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Scary part is, the EURO4/EURO5 standard Diesels, when tuned and running
> properly, are cleaner than a well-tuned petrol engine.
>
>
>
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04-05-2006, 06:08 PM
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Re: Diesel Liberty
That is pure unadulterated bullsh*t! The only way to clean the
diesel soot from our air is use an exhaust filter like all diesels sold
in the U.S.of A. http://www.epa.gov/ne/eco/diesel/retrofits.html#dpmf
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/documents/f03017.pdf
"The pollution emitted by diesel engines contributes greatly to our
nation's air quality problems. Even with more stringent heavy-duty
highway engine standards set to take effect in 2004 and 2007, existing
trucks and buses will continue to emit large amounts of nitrogen oxides
(NOx) and particulate matter (PM), both of which contribute to serious
public health problems in the United States. Fortunately, there are
several techniques and technologies designed to reduce diesel pollution
from existing trucks and buses. Using pollution control devices such as
a diesel particulate matter filter (DPF) is one way existing engines can
be upgraded (or retrofitted) to pollute less. This fact sheet discusses
diesel particulate matter filters."
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jason Backshall wrote:
>
> Scary part is, the EURO4/EURO5 standard Diesels, when tuned and running
> properly, are cleaner than a well-tuned petrol engine.
diesel soot from our air is use an exhaust filter like all diesels sold
in the U.S.of A. http://www.epa.gov/ne/eco/diesel/retrofits.html#dpmf
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/documents/f03017.pdf
"The pollution emitted by diesel engines contributes greatly to our
nation's air quality problems. Even with more stringent heavy-duty
highway engine standards set to take effect in 2004 and 2007, existing
trucks and buses will continue to emit large amounts of nitrogen oxides
(NOx) and particulate matter (PM), both of which contribute to serious
public health problems in the United States. Fortunately, there are
several techniques and technologies designed to reduce diesel pollution
from existing trucks and buses. Using pollution control devices such as
a diesel particulate matter filter (DPF) is one way existing engines can
be upgraded (or retrofitted) to pollute less. This fact sheet discusses
diesel particulate matter filters."
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jason Backshall wrote:
>
> Scary part is, the EURO4/EURO5 standard Diesels, when tuned and running
> properly, are cleaner than a well-tuned petrol engine.
04-05-2006, 06:08 PM
#30
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Re: Diesel Liberty
That is pure unadulterated bullsh*t! The only way to clean the
diesel soot from our air is use an exhaust filter like all diesels sold
in the U.S.of A. http://www.epa.gov/ne/eco/diesel/retrofits.html#dpmf
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/documents/f03017.pdf
"The pollution emitted by diesel engines contributes greatly to our
nation's air quality problems. Even with more stringent heavy-duty
highway engine standards set to take effect in 2004 and 2007, existing
trucks and buses will continue to emit large amounts of nitrogen oxides
(NOx) and particulate matter (PM), both of which contribute to serious
public health problems in the United States. Fortunately, there are
several techniques and technologies designed to reduce diesel pollution
from existing trucks and buses. Using pollution control devices such as
a diesel particulate matter filter (DPF) is one way existing engines can
be upgraded (or retrofitted) to pollute less. This fact sheet discusses
diesel particulate matter filters."
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jason Backshall wrote:
>
> Scary part is, the EURO4/EURO5 standard Diesels, when tuned and running
> properly, are cleaner than a well-tuned petrol engine.
diesel soot from our air is use an exhaust filter like all diesels sold
in the U.S.of A. http://www.epa.gov/ne/eco/diesel/retrofits.html#dpmf
http://www.epa.gov/otaq/retrofit/documents/f03017.pdf
"The pollution emitted by diesel engines contributes greatly to our
nation's air quality problems. Even with more stringent heavy-duty
highway engine standards set to take effect in 2004 and 2007, existing
trucks and buses will continue to emit large amounts of nitrogen oxides
(NOx) and particulate matter (PM), both of which contribute to serious
public health problems in the United States. Fortunately, there are
several techniques and technologies designed to reduce diesel pollution
from existing trucks and buses. Using pollution control devices such as
a diesel particulate matter filter (DPF) is one way existing engines can
be upgraded (or retrofitted) to pollute less. This fact sheet discusses
diesel particulate matter filters."
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Jason Backshall wrote:
>
> Scary part is, the EURO4/EURO5 standard Diesels, when tuned and running
> properly, are cleaner than a well-tuned petrol engine.