Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> news:47544$429786a3$422aaa63$24236@FUSE.NET...
>
>>Most mechanics turned
>>around 80 book hrs. a week working a 5 day week from 8 AM to 5 PM, with an
>>hour lunch. Do the math: $20 x 80 = $1600 gross/wk = $83,200 per year
>>while working 40 hrs. a week.
>
> if you honestly believe _any_ dealership mechanic is making $83k a year then
> you have no idea at just how ignorant you are to how it really works. for
> starters, unless youve been there 15 years you arent going to see anywhere
> near $20 an hour. assuming you do eventually see $20 an hour it isnt really
> $20 an hour. manufacturers set how many hours they allow for a repair and
> pay you accordingly. for example, they may authorize 1 hour for changing an
> alternator even though it takes you 3 hours to change it. no matter how
> long it takes, youre getting paid for that 1 hour they allowed. you might
> know dealership mechanics who work 80 hours per week but you can bet your
> ******* that they arent getting paid for it.

According to the US Department of Labor, median income for automotive
mechanics is about $36,000US, with the middle 50% earning between
$10.61US and $19.84US an hour. See:
<URL:http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos181.htm>

Those interested can go to <http://www.salary.com> and plug in their own
zip code to see what the median income in their area is. (That part is
free but the site looks like it charges for some info.)

The $20/hr plus flat rate to start sounds like an ad from a diploma
mill: "You too can be a highly-paid automotive technician by signing on
now with the Dinkelacker School of Cosmetology, Radio Broadcasting,
Culinary Arts and Auto Repair. Work on actual cars in our state of the
art warehouse! Student loans are available! Call now!"

 

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> news:47544$429786a3$422aaa63$24236@FUSE.NET...
>
>>Most mechanics turned
>>around 80 book hrs. a week working a 5 day week from 8 AM to 5 PM, with an
>>hour lunch. Do the math: $20 x 80 = $1600 gross/wk = $83,200 per year
>>while working 40 hrs. a week.
>
> if you honestly believe _any_ dealership mechanic is making $83k a year then
> you have no idea at just how ignorant you are to how it really works. for
> starters, unless youve been there 15 years you arent going to see anywhere
> near $20 an hour. assuming you do eventually see $20 an hour it isnt really
> $20 an hour. manufacturers set how many hours they allow for a repair and
> pay you accordingly. for example, they may authorize 1 hour for changing an
> alternator even though it takes you 3 hours to change it. no matter how
> long it takes, youre getting paid for that 1 hour they allowed. you might
> know dealership mechanics who work 80 hours per week but you can bet your
> ******* that they arent getting paid for it.

According to the US Department of Labor, median income for automotive
mechanics is about $36,000US, with the middle 50% earning between
$10.61US and $19.84US an hour. See:
<URL:http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos181.htm>

Those interested can go to <http://www.salary.com> and plug in their own
zip code to see what the median income in their area is. (That part is
free but the site looks like it charges for some info.)

The $20/hr plus flat rate to start sounds like an ad from a diploma
mill: "You too can be a highly-paid automotive technician by signing on
now with the Dinkelacker School of Cosmetology, Radio Broadcasting,
Culinary Arts and Auto Repair. Work on actual cars in our state of the
art warehouse! Student loans are available! Call now!"

 

Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> "Ruel Smith" <NoWay@NoWhere.com> wrote in message
> news:47544$429786a3$422aaa63$24236@FUSE.NET...
>
>>Most mechanics turned
>>around 80 book hrs. a week working a 5 day week from 8 AM to 5 PM, with an
>>hour lunch. Do the math: $20 x 80 = $1600 gross/wk = $83,200 per year
>>while working 40 hrs. a week.
>
> if you honestly believe _any_ dealership mechanic is making $83k a year then
> you have no idea at just how ignorant you are to how it really works. for
> starters, unless youve been there 15 years you arent going to see anywhere
> near $20 an hour. assuming you do eventually see $20 an hour it isnt really
> $20 an hour. manufacturers set how many hours they allow for a repair and
> pay you accordingly. for example, they may authorize 1 hour for changing an
> alternator even though it takes you 3 hours to change it. no matter how
> long it takes, youre getting paid for that 1 hour they allowed. you might
> know dealership mechanics who work 80 hours per week but you can bet your
> ******* that they arent getting paid for it.

According to the US Department of Labor, median income for automotive
mechanics is about $36,000US, with the middle 50% earning between
$10.61US and $19.84US an hour. See:
<URL:http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos181.htm>

Those interested can go to <http://www.salary.com> and plug in their own
zip code to see what the median income in their area is. (That part is
free but the site looks like it charges for some info.)

The $20/hr plus flat rate to start sounds like an ad from a diploma
mill: "You too can be a highly-paid automotive technician by signing on
now with the Dinkelacker School of Cosmetology, Radio Broadcasting,
Culinary Arts and Auto Repair. Work on actual cars in our state of the
art warehouse! Student loans are available! Call now!"

 

Lee Ayrton wrote:

> According to the US Department of Labor, median income for automotive
> mechanics is about $36,000US, with the middle 50% earning between
> $10.61US and $19.84US an hour. See:
> <URL:http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos181.htm>
>
> Those interested can go to <http://www.salary.com> and plug in their own
> zip code to see what the median income in their area is. (That part is
> free but the site looks like it charges for some info.)
>
> The $20/hr plus flat rate to start sounds like an ad from a diploma
> mill: "You too can be a highly-paid automotive technician by signing on
> now with the Dinkelacker School of Cosmetology, Radio Broadcasting,
> Culinary Arts and Auto Repair. Work on actual cars in our state of the
> art warehouse! Student loans are available! Call now!"

And is this based on guys working in a gas station too? I'm telling you that
I worked as a car salesman at a Pontiac/GMC dealership (now Buick too)
around 1997 to 2000 and I personally knew mechanics that were making $17/hr
flat rate back then, and I know their rate has gone up since then. Now, not
every week, but there were quite a few of them, these mechanics would turn
in excess of 70 book hrs. and many times near 80. What I did, and I stated
so in a followup post, was assume these figures were constant, which of
course they aren't as mechanics vary their turned-in hours each week, and
I'm pretty sure that these same mechanics are making at least $20/hr on
flat rate with adjustments to their rate since 8 years have gone by (they
made that rate in 1997). I have idealized the math, assuming the most hours
on a weekly basis. Now, simple math gave me that figure.

Reality is that you have to be a veteran mechanic with all the proper
certifications (there are even manufacturer certifications such as GM
requires only Duramax certified mechanics to work on Duramax equipped
trucks) working in a dealership, and not some BP Procare station or hole in
the wall shop to make that kind of hourly rate. It is not uncommon for such
a mechanic to make in excess of $20/hr. flat rate in a dealership. I know
this to be true because I personally knew several of the mechanics in the
dealership very well. Also, as hours output during the week vary, and not
just based on the mechanic's ability, but other variables such as service
department traffic, they won't be turning those hours each week. There may
even be some weeks when they work 40 hrs. and only turn in 40 hrs.. So
chances are they'll never see the idealized $80 grand a year. Mechanics pay
is based on output, and not hrs. worked, and is what the flat rate system
is all about.

These mechanics usually have $25,000 in tools and a $10,000 toolbox to put
them in. If they only made $36,000 a year like your information suggests, I
seriously doubt they'd be spending as much buying premium tools like Mac,
Matco, and Snap-On.


--

Registered Linux user #378193

 

Lee Ayrton wrote:

> According to the US Department of Labor, median income for automotive
> mechanics is about $36,000US, with the middle 50% earning between
> $10.61US and $19.84US an hour. See:
> <URL:http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos181.htm>
>
> Those interested can go to <http://www.salary.com> and plug in their own
> zip code to see what the median income in their area is. (That part is
> free but the site looks like it charges for some info.)
>
> The $20/hr plus flat rate to start sounds like an ad from a diploma
> mill: "You too can be a highly-paid automotive technician by signing on
> now with the Dinkelacker School of Cosmetology, Radio Broadcasting,
> Culinary Arts and Auto Repair. Work on actual cars in our state of the
> art warehouse! Student loans are available! Call now!"

And is this based on guys working in a gas station too? I'm telling you that
I worked as a car salesman at a Pontiac/GMC dealership (now Buick too)
around 1997 to 2000 and I personally knew mechanics that were making $17/hr
flat rate back then, and I know their rate has gone up since then. Now, not
every week, but there were quite a few of them, these mechanics would turn
in excess of 70 book hrs. and many times near 80. What I did, and I stated
so in a followup post, was assume these figures were constant, which of
course they aren't as mechanics vary their turned-in hours each week, and
I'm pretty sure that these same mechanics are making at least $20/hr on
flat rate with adjustments to their rate since 8 years have gone by (they
made that rate in 1997). I have idealized the math, assuming the most hours
on a weekly basis. Now, simple math gave me that figure.

Reality is that you have to be a veteran mechanic with all the proper
certifications (there are even manufacturer certifications such as GM
requires only Duramax certified mechanics to work on Duramax equipped
trucks) working in a dealership, and not some BP Procare station or hole in
the wall shop to make that kind of hourly rate. It is not uncommon for such
a mechanic to make in excess of $20/hr. flat rate in a dealership. I know
this to be true because I personally knew several of the mechanics in the
dealership very well. Also, as hours output during the week vary, and not
just based on the mechanic's ability, but other variables such as service
department traffic, they won't be turning those hours each week. There may
even be some weeks when they work 40 hrs. and only turn in 40 hrs.. So
chances are they'll never see the idealized $80 grand a year. Mechanics pay
is based on output, and not hrs. worked, and is what the flat rate system
is all about.

These mechanics usually have $25,000 in tools and a $10,000 toolbox to put
them in. If they only made $36,000 a year like your information suggests, I
seriously doubt they'd be spending as much buying premium tools like Mac,
Matco, and Snap-On.


--

Registered Linux user #378193

 

Lee Ayrton wrote:

> According to the US Department of Labor, median income for automotive
> mechanics is about $36,000US, with the middle 50% earning between
> $10.61US and $19.84US an hour. See:
> <URL:http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos181.htm>
>
> Those interested can go to <http://www.salary.com> and plug in their own
> zip code to see what the median income in their area is. (That part is
> free but the site looks like it charges for some info.)
>
> The $20/hr plus flat rate to start sounds like an ad from a diploma
> mill: "You too can be a highly-paid automotive technician by signing on
> now with the Dinkelacker School of Cosmetology, Radio Broadcasting,
> Culinary Arts and Auto Repair. Work on actual cars in our state of the
> art warehouse! Student loans are available! Call now!"

And is this based on guys working in a gas station too? I'm telling you that
I worked as a car salesman at a Pontiac/GMC dealership (now Buick too)
around 1997 to 2000 and I personally knew mechanics that were making $17/hr
flat rate back then, and I know their rate has gone up since then. Now, not
every week, but there were quite a few of them, these mechanics would turn
in excess of 70 book hrs. and many times near 80. What I did, and I stated
so in a followup post, was assume these figures were constant, which of
course they aren't as mechanics vary their turned-in hours each week, and
I'm pretty sure that these same mechanics are making at least $20/hr on
flat rate with adjustments to their rate since 8 years have gone by (they
made that rate in 1997). I have idealized the math, assuming the most hours
on a weekly basis. Now, simple math gave me that figure.

Reality is that you have to be a veteran mechanic with all the proper
certifications (there are even manufacturer certifications such as GM
requires only Duramax certified mechanics to work on Duramax equipped
trucks) working in a dealership, and not some BP Procare station or hole in
the wall shop to make that kind of hourly rate. It is not uncommon for such
a mechanic to make in excess of $20/hr. flat rate in a dealership. I know
this to be true because I personally knew several of the mechanics in the
dealership very well. Also, as hours output during the week vary, and not
just based on the mechanic's ability, but other variables such as service
department traffic, they won't be turning those hours each week. There may
even be some weeks when they work 40 hrs. and only turn in 40 hrs.. So
chances are they'll never see the idealized $80 grand a year. Mechanics pay
is based on output, and not hrs. worked, and is what the flat rate system
is all about.

These mechanics usually have $25,000 in tools and a $10,000 toolbox to put
them in. If they only made $36,000 a year like your information suggests, I
seriously doubt they'd be spending as much buying premium tools like Mac,
Matco, and Snap-On.


--

Registered Linux user #378193

 

Lee Ayrton wrote:

> According to the US Department of Labor, median income for automotive
> mechanics is about $36,000US, with the middle 50% earning between
> $10.61US and $19.84US an hour. See:
> <URL:http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos181.htm>
>
> Those interested can go to <http://www.salary.com> and plug in their own
> zip code to see what the median income in their area is. (That part is
> free but the site looks like it charges for some info.)
>
> The $20/hr plus flat rate to start sounds like an ad from a diploma
> mill: "You too can be a highly-paid automotive technician by signing on
> now with the Dinkelacker School of Cosmetology, Radio Broadcasting,
> Culinary Arts and Auto Repair. Work on actual cars in our state of the
> art warehouse! Student loans are available! Call now!"

And is this based on guys working in a gas station too? I'm telling you that
I worked as a car salesman at a Pontiac/GMC dealership (now Buick too)
around 1997 to 2000 and I personally knew mechanics that were making $17/hr
flat rate back then, and I know their rate has gone up since then. Now, not
every week, but there were quite a few of them, these mechanics would turn
in excess of 70 book hrs. and many times near 80. What I did, and I stated
so in a followup post, was assume these figures were constant, which of
course they aren't as mechanics vary their turned-in hours each week, and
I'm pretty sure that these same mechanics are making at least $20/hr on
flat rate with adjustments to their rate since 8 years have gone by (they
made that rate in 1997). I have idealized the math, assuming the most hours
on a weekly basis. Now, simple math gave me that figure.

Reality is that you have to be a veteran mechanic with all the proper
certifications (there are even manufacturer certifications such as GM
requires only Duramax certified mechanics to work on Duramax equipped
trucks) working in a dealership, and not some BP Procare station or hole in
the wall shop to make that kind of hourly rate. It is not uncommon for such
a mechanic to make in excess of $20/hr. flat rate in a dealership. I know
this to be true because I personally knew several of the mechanics in the
dealership very well. Also, as hours output during the week vary, and not
just based on the mechanic's ability, but other variables such as service
department traffic, they won't be turning those hours each week. There may
even be some weeks when they work 40 hrs. and only turn in 40 hrs.. So
chances are they'll never see the idealized $80 grand a year. Mechanics pay
is based on output, and not hrs. worked, and is what the flat rate system
is all about.

These mechanics usually have $25,000 in tools and a $10,000 toolbox to put
them in. If they only made $36,000 a year like your information suggests, I
seriously doubt they'd be spending as much buying premium tools like Mac,
Matco, and Snap-On.


--

Registered Linux user #378193

 

Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> If you don't like the posts, anyhow, don't read them. Simple enough.
>
> --

I logged on this morning and only found 'one' Jeep post, the rest was
all --------!

This group does have a formal Charter. If you don't like it don't
read/post here, simple enough eh. Otherwise the BS will take over the
group.

ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+******

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> If you don't like the posts, anyhow, don't read them. Simple enough.
>
> --

I logged on this morning and only found 'one' Jeep post, the rest was
all --------!

This group does have a formal Charter. If you don't like it don't
read/post here, simple enough eh. Otherwise the BS will take over the
group.

ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+******

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

 

Ruel Smith wrote:
>
> If you don't like the posts, anyhow, don't read them. Simple enough.
>
> --

I logged on this morning and only found 'one' Jeep post, the rest was
all --------!

This group does have a formal Charter. If you don't like it don't
read/post here, simple enough eh. Otherwise the BS will take over the
group.

ftp://ftp.uu.net/usenet/news.announc...rs.jeep+******

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's