Detroit Vs Japan
05-30-2005, 08:45 AM
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> I don't know what kind of school you went to, but finding the
> Japanese camshaft failures to be thirteen times greater than American
> cars, tells me GM doesn't have a problem, your distorted mind thinks.
Bill, you said I couldn't give an example. Citing another
example doesn't take away my example. I win!
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05-30-2005, 08:45 AM
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> I don't know what kind of school you went to, but finding the
> Japanese camshaft failures to be thirteen times greater than American
> cars, tells me GM doesn't have a problem, your distorted mind thinks.
Bill, you said I couldn't give an example. Citing another
example doesn't take away my example. I win!
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Steve
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05-30-2005, 08:45 AM
#553
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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> I don't know what kind of school you went to, but finding the
> Japanese camshaft failures to be thirteen times greater than American
> cars, tells me GM doesn't have a problem, your distorted mind thinks.
Bill, you said I couldn't give an example. Citing another
example doesn't take away my example. I win!
__
Steve
..
05-30-2005, 10:33 AM
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> however, the licensed plumber earns a really good living. the unlicensed
> plumber working under his license certainly isnt making $80k per year
> either.
There are unlicensed plumbers working out there? Do the local inspectors'
offices know about this? That wouldn't be legal at all. Even apprentices
are licensed.
>> I'm a union plumber myself
>
> that explains a lot, but since this isnt about the absurdity of unions and
> those who need the protection of a union because they cannot succeed on
> their own work ethic and capabilities i wont get into it. :-)
You obviously don't understand how a trade union works, either. It's not
like shop unions. It's nothing more than a labor pool. All the union guys
work for the union. We don't work for the companies...sort of like working
for a temporary agency. This arrangement allows companies to easily pick up
a qualified tradesman they can feel comfortable about without any overhead
of hiring through a human resources department process and they can dump
him off when the work slows with ease. On the non-union side, they pay the
apprentices to go to school (union has their own school), tend to keep
employees around when work slows, and have to go through vigorous hiring
practices to get new help. It's just a different arrangement. We can't
really cry to our union about our jobs like UAW workers can. It's not the
same. If you're a bad worker, you'll get laid off just the same as
non-union.
Back to dealership mechanics... You must know some pretty bad ones, or none
at all. I've personally known some really good ones, and, yes, they make
similar money like I pointed out.
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> however, the licensed plumber earns a really good living. the unlicensed
> plumber working under his license certainly isnt making $80k per year
> either.
There are unlicensed plumbers working out there? Do the local inspectors'
offices know about this? That wouldn't be legal at all. Even apprentices
are licensed.
>> I'm a union plumber myself
>
> that explains a lot, but since this isnt about the absurdity of unions and
> those who need the protection of a union because they cannot succeed on
> their own work ethic and capabilities i wont get into it. :-)
You obviously don't understand how a trade union works, either. It's not
like shop unions. It's nothing more than a labor pool. All the union guys
work for the union. We don't work for the companies...sort of like working
for a temporary agency. This arrangement allows companies to easily pick up
a qualified tradesman they can feel comfortable about without any overhead
of hiring through a human resources department process and they can dump
him off when the work slows with ease. On the non-union side, they pay the
apprentices to go to school (union has their own school), tend to keep
employees around when work slows, and have to go through vigorous hiring
practices to get new help. It's just a different arrangement. We can't
really cry to our union about our jobs like UAW workers can. It's not the
same. If you're a bad worker, you'll get laid off just the same as
non-union.
Back to dealership mechanics... You must know some pretty bad ones, or none
at all. I've personally known some really good ones, and, yes, they make
similar money like I pointed out.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
05-30-2005, 10:33 AM
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> however, the licensed plumber earns a really good living. the unlicensed
> plumber working under his license certainly isnt making $80k per year
> either.
There are unlicensed plumbers working out there? Do the local inspectors'
offices know about this? That wouldn't be legal at all. Even apprentices
are licensed.
>> I'm a union plumber myself
>
> that explains a lot, but since this isnt about the absurdity of unions and
> those who need the protection of a union because they cannot succeed on
> their own work ethic and capabilities i wont get into it. :-)
You obviously don't understand how a trade union works, either. It's not
like shop unions. It's nothing more than a labor pool. All the union guys
work for the union. We don't work for the companies...sort of like working
for a temporary agency. This arrangement allows companies to easily pick up
a qualified tradesman they can feel comfortable about without any overhead
of hiring through a human resources department process and they can dump
him off when the work slows with ease. On the non-union side, they pay the
apprentices to go to school (union has their own school), tend to keep
employees around when work slows, and have to go through vigorous hiring
practices to get new help. It's just a different arrangement. We can't
really cry to our union about our jobs like UAW workers can. It's not the
same. If you're a bad worker, you'll get laid off just the same as
non-union.
Back to dealership mechanics... You must know some pretty bad ones, or none
at all. I've personally known some really good ones, and, yes, they make
similar money like I pointed out.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
> however, the licensed plumber earns a really good living. the unlicensed
> plumber working under his license certainly isnt making $80k per year
> either.
There are unlicensed plumbers working out there? Do the local inspectors'
offices know about this? That wouldn't be legal at all. Even apprentices
are licensed.
>> I'm a union plumber myself
>
> that explains a lot, but since this isnt about the absurdity of unions and
> those who need the protection of a union because they cannot succeed on
> their own work ethic and capabilities i wont get into it. :-)
You obviously don't understand how a trade union works, either. It's not
like shop unions. It's nothing more than a labor pool. All the union guys
work for the union. We don't work for the companies...sort of like working
for a temporary agency. This arrangement allows companies to easily pick up
a qualified tradesman they can feel comfortable about without any overhead
of hiring through a human resources department process and they can dump
him off when the work slows with ease. On the non-union side, they pay the
apprentices to go to school (union has their own school), tend to keep
employees around when work slows, and have to go through vigorous hiring
practices to get new help. It's just a different arrangement. We can't
really cry to our union about our jobs like UAW workers can. It's not the
same. If you're a bad worker, you'll get laid off just the same as
non-union.
Back to dealership mechanics... You must know some pretty bad ones, or none
at all. I've personally known some really good ones, and, yes, they make
similar money like I pointed out.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
05-30-2005, 10:33 AM
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> however, the licensed plumber earns a really good living. the unlicensed
> plumber working under his license certainly isnt making $80k per year
> either.
There are unlicensed plumbers working out there? Do the local inspectors'
offices know about this? That wouldn't be legal at all. Even apprentices
are licensed.
>> I'm a union plumber myself
>
> that explains a lot, but since this isnt about the absurdity of unions and
> those who need the protection of a union because they cannot succeed on
> their own work ethic and capabilities i wont get into it. :-)
You obviously don't understand how a trade union works, either. It's not
like shop unions. It's nothing more than a labor pool. All the union guys
work for the union. We don't work for the companies...sort of like working
for a temporary agency. This arrangement allows companies to easily pick up
a qualified tradesman they can feel comfortable about without any overhead
of hiring through a human resources department process and they can dump
him off when the work slows with ease. On the non-union side, they pay the
apprentices to go to school (union has their own school), tend to keep
employees around when work slows, and have to go through vigorous hiring
practices to get new help. It's just a different arrangement. We can't
really cry to our union about our jobs like UAW workers can. It's not the
same. If you're a bad worker, you'll get laid off just the same as
non-union.
Back to dealership mechanics... You must know some pretty bad ones, or none
at all. I've personally known some really good ones, and, yes, they make
similar money like I pointed out.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
> however, the licensed plumber earns a really good living. the unlicensed
> plumber working under his license certainly isnt making $80k per year
> either.
There are unlicensed plumbers working out there? Do the local inspectors'
offices know about this? That wouldn't be legal at all. Even apprentices
are licensed.
>> I'm a union plumber myself
>
> that explains a lot, but since this isnt about the absurdity of unions and
> those who need the protection of a union because they cannot succeed on
> their own work ethic and capabilities i wont get into it. :-)
You obviously don't understand how a trade union works, either. It's not
like shop unions. It's nothing more than a labor pool. All the union guys
work for the union. We don't work for the companies...sort of like working
for a temporary agency. This arrangement allows companies to easily pick up
a qualified tradesman they can feel comfortable about without any overhead
of hiring through a human resources department process and they can dump
him off when the work slows with ease. On the non-union side, they pay the
apprentices to go to school (union has their own school), tend to keep
employees around when work slows, and have to go through vigorous hiring
practices to get new help. It's just a different arrangement. We can't
really cry to our union about our jobs like UAW workers can. It's not the
same. If you're a bad worker, you'll get laid off just the same as
non-union.
Back to dealership mechanics... You must know some pretty bad ones, or none
at all. I've personally known some really good ones, and, yes, they make
similar money like I pointed out.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
05-30-2005, 10:33 AM
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Nathan W. Collier wrote:
> however, the licensed plumber earns a really good living. the unlicensed
> plumber working under his license certainly isnt making $80k per year
> either.
There are unlicensed plumbers working out there? Do the local inspectors'
offices know about this? That wouldn't be legal at all. Even apprentices
are licensed.
>> I'm a union plumber myself
>
> that explains a lot, but since this isnt about the absurdity of unions and
> those who need the protection of a union because they cannot succeed on
> their own work ethic and capabilities i wont get into it. :-)
You obviously don't understand how a trade union works, either. It's not
like shop unions. It's nothing more than a labor pool. All the union guys
work for the union. We don't work for the companies...sort of like working
for a temporary agency. This arrangement allows companies to easily pick up
a qualified tradesman they can feel comfortable about without any overhead
of hiring through a human resources department process and they can dump
him off when the work slows with ease. On the non-union side, they pay the
apprentices to go to school (union has their own school), tend to keep
employees around when work slows, and have to go through vigorous hiring
practices to get new help. It's just a different arrangement. We can't
really cry to our union about our jobs like UAW workers can. It's not the
same. If you're a bad worker, you'll get laid off just the same as
non-union.
Back to dealership mechanics... You must know some pretty bad ones, or none
at all. I've personally known some really good ones, and, yes, they make
similar money like I pointed out.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
> however, the licensed plumber earns a really good living. the unlicensed
> plumber working under his license certainly isnt making $80k per year
> either.
There are unlicensed plumbers working out there? Do the local inspectors'
offices know about this? That wouldn't be legal at all. Even apprentices
are licensed.
>> I'm a union plumber myself
>
> that explains a lot, but since this isnt about the absurdity of unions and
> those who need the protection of a union because they cannot succeed on
> their own work ethic and capabilities i wont get into it. :-)
You obviously don't understand how a trade union works, either. It's not
like shop unions. It's nothing more than a labor pool. All the union guys
work for the union. We don't work for the companies...sort of like working
for a temporary agency. This arrangement allows companies to easily pick up
a qualified tradesman they can feel comfortable about without any overhead
of hiring through a human resources department process and they can dump
him off when the work slows with ease. On the non-union side, they pay the
apprentices to go to school (union has their own school), tend to keep
employees around when work slows, and have to go through vigorous hiring
practices to get new help. It's just a different arrangement. We can't
really cry to our union about our jobs like UAW workers can. It's not the
same. If you're a bad worker, you'll get laid off just the same as
non-union.
Back to dealership mechanics... You must know some pretty bad ones, or none
at all. I've personally known some really good ones, and, yes, they make
similar money like I pointed out.
--
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05-30-2005, 10:35 AM
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Eric wrote:
> Wow... gotta say I agree with you there. Well, on the absurdity of unions
> part anyway. Generally mob-style organizations -- will strong arm any
> business who doesn't want to play right out of town. Seen it done.
Like I said before: Businessmen negotiate contracts for a living. If they
can't negotiate a favorable deal with a union, then they don't need to be
in business at all because they're weak.
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> Wow... gotta say I agree with you there. Well, on the absurdity of unions
> part anyway. Generally mob-style organizations -- will strong arm any
> business who doesn't want to play right out of town. Seen it done.
Like I said before: Businessmen negotiate contracts for a living. If they
can't negotiate a favorable deal with a union, then they don't need to be
in business at all because they're weak.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
05-30-2005, 10:35 AM
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Eric wrote:
> Wow... gotta say I agree with you there. Well, on the absurdity of unions
> part anyway. Generally mob-style organizations -- will strong arm any
> business who doesn't want to play right out of town. Seen it done.
Like I said before: Businessmen negotiate contracts for a living. If they
can't negotiate a favorable deal with a union, then they don't need to be
in business at all because they're weak.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
> Wow... gotta say I agree with you there. Well, on the absurdity of unions
> part anyway. Generally mob-style organizations -- will strong arm any
> business who doesn't want to play right out of town. Seen it done.
Like I said before: Businessmen negotiate contracts for a living. If they
can't negotiate a favorable deal with a union, then they don't need to be
in business at all because they're weak.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
05-30-2005, 10:35 AM
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Re: Detroit Vs Japan
Eric wrote:
> Wow... gotta say I agree with you there. Well, on the absurdity of unions
> part anyway. Generally mob-style organizations -- will strong arm any
> business who doesn't want to play right out of town. Seen it done.
Like I said before: Businessmen negotiate contracts for a living. If they
can't negotiate a favorable deal with a union, then they don't need to be
in business at all because they're weak.
--
Registered Linux user #378193
> Wow... gotta say I agree with you there. Well, on the absurdity of unions
> part anyway. Generally mob-style organizations -- will strong arm any
> business who doesn't want to play right out of town. Seen it done.
Like I said before: Businessmen negotiate contracts for a living. If they
can't negotiate a favorable deal with a union, then they don't need to be
in business at all because they're weak.
--
Registered Linux user #378193