Death wobble revisited
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Re: Followup - Re: Death wobble revisited
Thanks for the follow-up. The track bar kinda holds everything in
place.
Mike
jbjeep wrote:
>
> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
>
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
> >>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
> >>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
> >>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
> >>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
> >>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
> >>
> >>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
> >>ok too.
> >>
> >>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
> >>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
> >>
> >>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
> >>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
> >>
> >>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
> >>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
> >>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
> >>
> >>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
> >>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
> >>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
> >>difference at all.
> >>
> >>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
> >>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
> >>
> >>Got any more ideas for me???
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Mike
> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>>
> >>>>jbjeep wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 98 TJ
> >>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
> >>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
> >>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
> >>>>> its smooth)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
> >>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
> >>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
> >>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
> >>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
> >>>>> happens at 35.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
> >>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
> >>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
> >>>>> hand.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where to look?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
> >>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks gang!
> >>>>> -jenn
place.
Mike
jbjeep wrote:
>
> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
>
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
> >>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
> >>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
> >>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
> >>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
> >>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
> >>
> >>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
> >>ok too.
> >>
> >>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
> >>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
> >>
> >>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
> >>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
> >>
> >>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
> >>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
> >>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
> >>
> >>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
> >>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
> >>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
> >>difference at all.
> >>
> >>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
> >>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
> >>
> >>Got any more ideas for me???
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Mike
> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>>
> >>>>jbjeep wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 98 TJ
> >>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
> >>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
> >>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
> >>>>> its smooth)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
> >>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
> >>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
> >>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
> >>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
> >>>>> happens at 35.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
> >>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
> >>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
> >>>>> hand.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where to look?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
> >>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks gang!
> >>>>> -jenn
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Re: Followup - Re: Death wobble revisited
Thanks for the follow-up. The track bar kinda holds everything in
place.
Mike
jbjeep wrote:
>
> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
>
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
> >>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
> >>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
> >>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
> >>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
> >>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
> >>
> >>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
> >>ok too.
> >>
> >>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
> >>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
> >>
> >>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
> >>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
> >>
> >>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
> >>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
> >>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
> >>
> >>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
> >>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
> >>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
> >>difference at all.
> >>
> >>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
> >>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
> >>
> >>Got any more ideas for me???
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Mike
> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>>
> >>>>jbjeep wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 98 TJ
> >>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
> >>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
> >>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
> >>>>> its smooth)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
> >>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
> >>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
> >>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
> >>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
> >>>>> happens at 35.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
> >>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
> >>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
> >>>>> hand.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where to look?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
> >>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks gang!
> >>>>> -jenn
place.
Mike
jbjeep wrote:
>
> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
>
> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
> >>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
> >>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
> >>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
> >>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
> >>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
> >>
> >>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
> >>ok too.
> >>
> >>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
> >>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
> >>
> >>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
> >>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
> >>
> >>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
> >>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
> >>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
> >>
> >>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
> >>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
> >>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
> >>difference at all.
> >>
> >>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
> >>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
> >>
> >>Got any more ideas for me???
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Mike
> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>>>
> >>>>jbjeep wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 98 TJ
> >>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
> >>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
> >>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
> >>>>> its smooth)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
> >>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
> >>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
> >>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
> >>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
> >>>>> happens at 35.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
> >>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
> >>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
> >>>>> hand.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where to look?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
> >>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks gang!
> >>>>> -jenn
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Re: Followup - Re: Death wobble revisited
Uhhh....
The re-weld has always been on the back one. This time it was the front, and the
thing was just plain shot - been on there since the summer of '99 when I _first_
lifted the TJ.
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:24:57 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>Hi Jennifer,
>> Did the reweld of it's frame mount hold so far?
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
The re-weld has always been on the back one. This time it was the front, and the
thing was just plain shot - been on there since the summer of '99 when I _first_
lifted the TJ.
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:24:57 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>Hi Jennifer,
>> Did the reweld of it's frame mount hold so far?
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
#44
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Re: Followup - Re: Death wobble revisited
Uhhh....
The re-weld has always been on the back one. This time it was the front, and the
thing was just plain shot - been on there since the summer of '99 when I _first_
lifted the TJ.
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:24:57 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>Hi Jennifer,
>> Did the reweld of it's frame mount hold so far?
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
The re-weld has always been on the back one. This time it was the front, and the
thing was just plain shot - been on there since the summer of '99 when I _first_
lifted the TJ.
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:24:57 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>Hi Jennifer,
>> Did the reweld of it's frame mount hold so far?
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
#45
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Posts: n/a
Re: Followup - Re: Death wobble revisited
Uhhh....
The re-weld has always been on the back one. This time it was the front, and the
thing was just plain shot - been on there since the summer of '99 when I _first_
lifted the TJ.
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:24:57 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>Hi Jennifer,
>> Did the reweld of it's frame mount hold so far?
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
The re-weld has always been on the back one. This time it was the front, and the
thing was just plain shot - been on there since the summer of '99 when I _first_
lifted the TJ.
On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 18:24:57 -0700, L.W.(ßill) ------ III <----------@***.net> wrote:
>>Hi Jennifer,
>> Did the reweld of it's frame mount hold so far?
>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
#46
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Re: Followup - Re: Death wobble revisited
Yea, its pretty amazing the difference with a new one on there. That sucker (RE) is
pretty stout too.
We checked bearings/hubs/alignment/castor/tie rod/drag link/tires/etc. and it just
was time to replace the TB. I am all ready for the next run (only 3.5 weeks to
wait!).
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:03:40 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>Thanks for the follow-up. The track bar kinda holds everything in
>>place.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
>>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
>>> >>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>> >>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>> >>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>> >>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>> >>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>>> >>
>>> >>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
>>> >>ok too.
>>> >>
>>> >>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
>>> >>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>>> >>
>>> >>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
>>> >>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>> >>
>>> >>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>> >>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>> >>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>>> >>
>>> >>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
>>> >>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
>>> >>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
>>> >>difference at all.
>>> >>
>>> >>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
>>> >>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>>> >>
>>> >>Got any more ideas for me???
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>>Mike
>>> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>jbjeep wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 98 TJ
>>> >>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>> >>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>> >>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>> >>>>> its smooth)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>> >>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>> >>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>> >>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>> >>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>> >>>>> happens at 35.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>> >>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>> >>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>> >>>>> hand.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Where to look?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>> >>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thanks gang!
>>> >>>>> -jenn
pretty stout too.
We checked bearings/hubs/alignment/castor/tie rod/drag link/tires/etc. and it just
was time to replace the TB. I am all ready for the next run (only 3.5 weeks to
wait!).
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:03:40 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>Thanks for the follow-up. The track bar kinda holds everything in
>>place.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
>>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
>>> >>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>> >>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>> >>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>> >>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>> >>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>>> >>
>>> >>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
>>> >>ok too.
>>> >>
>>> >>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
>>> >>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>>> >>
>>> >>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
>>> >>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>> >>
>>> >>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>> >>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>> >>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>>> >>
>>> >>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
>>> >>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
>>> >>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
>>> >>difference at all.
>>> >>
>>> >>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
>>> >>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>>> >>
>>> >>Got any more ideas for me???
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>>Mike
>>> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>jbjeep wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 98 TJ
>>> >>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>> >>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>> >>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>> >>>>> its smooth)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>> >>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>> >>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>> >>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>> >>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>> >>>>> happens at 35.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>> >>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>> >>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>> >>>>> hand.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Where to look?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>> >>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thanks gang!
>>> >>>>> -jenn
#47
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Posts: n/a
Re: Followup - Re: Death wobble revisited
Yea, its pretty amazing the difference with a new one on there. That sucker (RE) is
pretty stout too.
We checked bearings/hubs/alignment/castor/tie rod/drag link/tires/etc. and it just
was time to replace the TB. I am all ready for the next run (only 3.5 weeks to
wait!).
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:03:40 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>Thanks for the follow-up. The track bar kinda holds everything in
>>place.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
>>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
>>> >>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>> >>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>> >>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>> >>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>> >>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>>> >>
>>> >>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
>>> >>ok too.
>>> >>
>>> >>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
>>> >>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>>> >>
>>> >>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
>>> >>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>> >>
>>> >>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>> >>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>> >>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>>> >>
>>> >>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
>>> >>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
>>> >>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
>>> >>difference at all.
>>> >>
>>> >>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
>>> >>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>>> >>
>>> >>Got any more ideas for me???
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>>Mike
>>> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>jbjeep wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 98 TJ
>>> >>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>> >>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>> >>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>> >>>>> its smooth)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>> >>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>> >>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>> >>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>> >>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>> >>>>> happens at 35.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>> >>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>> >>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>> >>>>> hand.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Where to look?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>> >>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thanks gang!
>>> >>>>> -jenn
pretty stout too.
We checked bearings/hubs/alignment/castor/tie rod/drag link/tires/etc. and it just
was time to replace the TB. I am all ready for the next run (only 3.5 weeks to
wait!).
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:03:40 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>Thanks for the follow-up. The track bar kinda holds everything in
>>place.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
>>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
>>> >>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>> >>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>> >>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>> >>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>> >>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>>> >>
>>> >>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
>>> >>ok too.
>>> >>
>>> >>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
>>> >>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>>> >>
>>> >>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
>>> >>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>> >>
>>> >>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>> >>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>> >>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>>> >>
>>> >>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
>>> >>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
>>> >>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
>>> >>difference at all.
>>> >>
>>> >>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
>>> >>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>>> >>
>>> >>Got any more ideas for me???
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>>Mike
>>> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>jbjeep wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 98 TJ
>>> >>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>> >>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>> >>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>> >>>>> its smooth)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>> >>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>> >>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>> >>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>> >>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>> >>>>> happens at 35.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>> >>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>> >>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>> >>>>> hand.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Where to look?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>> >>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thanks gang!
>>> >>>>> -jenn
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Re: Followup - Re: Death wobble revisited
Yea, its pretty amazing the difference with a new one on there. That sucker (RE) is
pretty stout too.
We checked bearings/hubs/alignment/castor/tie rod/drag link/tires/etc. and it just
was time to replace the TB. I am all ready for the next run (only 3.5 weeks to
wait!).
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:03:40 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>Thanks for the follow-up. The track bar kinda holds everything in
>>place.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
>>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
>>> >>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>> >>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>> >>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>> >>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>> >>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>>> >>
>>> >>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
>>> >>ok too.
>>> >>
>>> >>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
>>> >>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>>> >>
>>> >>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
>>> >>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>> >>
>>> >>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>> >>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>> >>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>>> >>
>>> >>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
>>> >>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
>>> >>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
>>> >>difference at all.
>>> >>
>>> >>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
>>> >>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>>> >>
>>> >>Got any more ideas for me???
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>>Mike
>>> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>jbjeep wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 98 TJ
>>> >>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>> >>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>> >>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>> >>>>> its smooth)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>> >>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>> >>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>> >>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>> >>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>> >>>>> happens at 35.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>> >>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>> >>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>> >>>>> hand.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Where to look?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>> >>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thanks gang!
>>> >>>>> -jenn
pretty stout too.
We checked bearings/hubs/alignment/castor/tie rod/drag link/tires/etc. and it just
was time to replace the TB. I am all ready for the next run (only 3.5 weeks to
wait!).
On Mon, 19 Sep 2005 09:03:40 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>Thanks for the follow-up. The track bar kinda holds everything in
>>place.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> New track bar seems to have corrected the problem. =)
>>>
>>> On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 21:29:10 -0700, jbjeep <jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> >>>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
>>> >>>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>> >>>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>> >>>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>> >>>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>> >>>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>>> >>
>>> >>Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
>>> >>ok too.
>>> >>
>>> >>I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
>>> >>draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>>> >>
>>> >>My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
>>> >>tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>> >>
>>> >>>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>> >>>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>> >>>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>>> >>
>>> >>Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
>>> >>side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
>>> >>sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
>>> >>difference at all.
>>> >>
>>> >>We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
>>> >>stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>>> >>
>>> >>Got any more ideas for me???
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>>>Mike
>>> >>>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>> >>>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>jbjeep wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> 98 TJ
>>> >>>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>> >>>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>> >>>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>> >>>>> its smooth)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>> >>>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>> >>>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>> >>>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>> >>>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>> >>>>> happens at 35.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>> >>>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>> >>>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>> >>>>> hand.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Where to look?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>> >>>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Thanks gang!
>>> >>>>> -jenn
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