Death wobble revisited
08-11-2005, 10:59 PM
#21
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Re: Death wobble revisited
Jennifer, owns a TJ, therefore: she has broken wheel bearings and
would know what they feel like.
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popeyeball wrote:
>
> Good ideas Mike.
> Jenn, Here's a W.A.G. on my part since I am not a mechanic by any
> means. If / when you perform ths 'spin' test, how about trying the
> following. With the wheel off the ground determine the angle of the
> wheel. brace a simple piece of wood (yardstick or something) than
> place a device something that will allow the wheel to spin freely but
> push away from your hand - maybe a caster wheel from the bottom of an
> old desk. If it does not make contack all around that that would give
> you an idea to degree you would be off. Maybe your neighbor has a
> gauge that would show any deflection. If you'd like to get more
> accuracy of the differance place the outer most position of the 'caster
> wheel' with a piece of chalk. This would mark the area that is
> furtherest outbound & spin. Measure the distance from your yardstick
> at the chaulk to the opposite surfac of the chaulk mark. This should /
> might give you an indication how much or if your wheel is off.
> Hopefully it is not. Good luck in finding your problem and hope it is
> a minor fix.
> Steve in Michigan
> 97 TJ stock
would know what they feel like.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
popeyeball wrote:
>
> Good ideas Mike.
> Jenn, Here's a W.A.G. on my part since I am not a mechanic by any
> means. If / when you perform ths 'spin' test, how about trying the
> following. With the wheel off the ground determine the angle of the
> wheel. brace a simple piece of wood (yardstick or something) than
> place a device something that will allow the wheel to spin freely but
> push away from your hand - maybe a caster wheel from the bottom of an
> old desk. If it does not make contack all around that that would give
> you an idea to degree you would be off. Maybe your neighbor has a
> gauge that would show any deflection. If you'd like to get more
> accuracy of the differance place the outer most position of the 'caster
> wheel' with a piece of chalk. This would mark the area that is
> furtherest outbound & spin. Measure the distance from your yardstick
> at the chaulk to the opposite surfac of the chaulk mark. This should /
> might give you an indication how much or if your wheel is off.
> Hopefully it is not. Good luck in finding your problem and hope it is
> a minor fix.
> Steve in Michigan
> 97 TJ stock
08-11-2005, 11:07 PM
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Re: Death wobble revisited
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...27b6979751ca58
> Jennifer, owns a TJ, therefore: she has broken wheel bearings and
> would know what they feel like.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> Jennifer, owns a TJ, therefore: she has broken wheel bearings and
> would know what they feel like.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
08-11-2005, 11:07 PM
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Re: Death wobble revisited
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...27b6979751ca58
> Jennifer, owns a TJ, therefore: she has broken wheel bearings and
> would know what they feel like.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> Jennifer, owns a TJ, therefore: she has broken wheel bearings and
> would know what they feel like.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
08-11-2005, 11:07 PM
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Re: Death wobble revisited
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...27b6979751ca58
> Jennifer, owns a TJ, therefore: she has broken wheel bearings and
> would know what they feel like.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> Jennifer, owns a TJ, therefore: she has broken wheel bearings and
> would know what they feel like.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
08-11-2005, 11:07 PM
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Re: Death wobble revisited
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...27b6979751ca58
> Jennifer, owns a TJ, therefore: she has broken wheel bearings and
> would know what they feel like.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> Jennifer, owns a TJ, therefore: she has broken wheel bearings and
> would know what they feel like.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
08-20-2005, 12:29 AM
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Re: Death wobble revisited
>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
ok too.
I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
difference at all.
We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
Got any more ideas for me???
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> 98 TJ
>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>> its smooth)
>>>
>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>> happens at 35.
>>>
>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>>
>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>> hand.
>>>
>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>>
>>> Where to look?
>>>
>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>>
>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>>
>>> Thanks gang!
>>> -jenn
>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
ok too.
I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
difference at all.
We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
Got any more ideas for me???
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> 98 TJ
>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>> its smooth)
>>>
>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>> happens at 35.
>>>
>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>>
>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>> hand.
>>>
>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>>
>>> Where to look?
>>>
>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>>
>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>>
>>> Thanks gang!
>>> -jenn
08-20-2005, 12:29 AM
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Re: Death wobble revisited
>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
ok too.
I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
difference at all.
We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
Got any more ideas for me???
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> 98 TJ
>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>> its smooth)
>>>
>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>> happens at 35.
>>>
>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>>
>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>> hand.
>>>
>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>>
>>> Where to look?
>>>
>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>>
>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>>
>>> Thanks gang!
>>> -jenn
>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
ok too.
I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
difference at all.
We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
Got any more ideas for me???
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> 98 TJ
>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>> its smooth)
>>>
>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>> happens at 35.
>>>
>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>>
>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>> hand.
>>>
>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>>
>>> Where to look?
>>>
>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>>
>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>>
>>> Thanks gang!
>>> -jenn
08-20-2005, 12:29 AM
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Re: Death wobble revisited
>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
ok too.
I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
difference at all.
We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
Got any more ideas for me???
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> 98 TJ
>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>> its smooth)
>>>
>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>> happens at 35.
>>>
>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>>
>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>> hand.
>>>
>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>>
>>> Where to look?
>>>
>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>>
>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>>
>>> Thanks gang!
>>> -jenn
>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
ok too.
I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
difference at all.
We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
Got any more ideas for me???
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> 98 TJ
>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>> its smooth)
>>>
>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>> happens at 35.
>>>
>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>>
>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>> hand.
>>>
>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>>
>>> Where to look?
>>>
>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>>
>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>>
>>> Thanks gang!
>>> -jenn
08-20-2005, 12:29 AM
#29
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Re: Death wobble revisited
>>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
ok too.
I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
difference at all.
We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
Got any more ideas for me???
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> 98 TJ
>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>> its smooth)
>>>
>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>> happens at 35.
>>>
>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>>
>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>> hand.
>>>
>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>>
>>> Where to look?
>>>
>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>>
>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>>
>>> Thanks gang!
>>> -jenn
>>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
>>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
>>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
>>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
>>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball joints seemed
ok too.
I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the passenger side
draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference at all.
>>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
>>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
>>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the passenger
side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since 1) both
sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it made no
difference at all.
We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
Got any more ideas for me???
>>Mike
>>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>>
>>jbjeep wrote:
>>>
>>> 98 TJ
>>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
>>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
>>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there - at speed
>>> its smooth)
>>>
>>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it starts around
>>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up. Otherwise
>>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the wobble in the
>>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I cant see it.
>>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing like what
>>> happens at 35.
>>>
>>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and it actually
>>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
>>>
>>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it was "nearly
>>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in and out by
>>> hand.
>>>
>>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
>>>
>>> Where to look?
>>>
>>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
>>>
>>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
>>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
>>>
>>> Thanks gang!
>>> -jenn
08-21-2005, 01:10 PM
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Re: Death wobble revisited
Usually a track bar problem.... also check for integrity of the drivers
side track bar mount .... sometimes the 'hole' in the plate becomes
egg-shaped, ditto the tightness of the frame mounting bolts.
n article <6vbdg1h90cnb02vlv8ngu1e7b0km88siaq@4ax.com>, jbjeep
<jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
> >>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
> >>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
> >>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
> >>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
> >>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
> >>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>
> Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball
> joints seemed
> ok too.
>
> I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the
> passenger side
> draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>
> My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
> tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference
> at all.
>
> >>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
> >>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
> >>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>
> Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the
> passenger
> side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since
> 1) both
> sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it
> made no
> difference at all.
>
> We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
> stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>
> Got any more ideas for me???
>
>
> >>Mike
> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >>jbjeep wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 98 TJ
> >>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
> >>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
> >>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there
> >>> - at speed
> >>> its smooth)
> >>>
> >>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it
> >>> starts around
> >>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up.
> >>> Otherwise
> >>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the
> >>> wobble in the
> >>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I
> >>> cant see it.
> >>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing
> >>> like what
> >>> happens at 35.
> >>>
> >>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and
> >>> it actually
> >>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
> >>>
> >>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it
> >>> was "nearly
> >>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in
> >>> and out by
> >>> hand.
> >>>
> >>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
> >>>
> >>> Where to look?
> >>>
> >>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
> >>>
> >>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
> >>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks gang!
> >>> -jenn
side track bar mount .... sometimes the 'hole' in the plate becomes
egg-shaped, ditto the tightness of the frame mounting bolts.
n article <6vbdg1h90cnb02vlv8ngu1e7b0km88siaq@4ax.com>, jbjeep
<jbjeep@saw.net> wrote:
> >>Wheel bearings are an easy start.
> >>If you grab the top of the tire and start to rock the Jeep side to side
> >>using all your weight, you should be able to feel a click or play if the
> >>ball joints are bad. Then if you pull the wheel side to side, you can
> >>see tie rod ends bad or not. If it does both, then jack it up and see
> >>if it flops around because of a bad wheel bearing.
>
> Bearing doesnt seem to be the problem. Both sides seemed tight. Ball
> joints seemed
> ok too.
>
> I just had a brand new Currie HD tie rod and drag link put in and the
> passenger side
> draglink end looks to have some play (its 2 months old) in it.
>
> My track bar is deffinitly shot at both ends. Could this be the problem? We
> tightened everything up as much as possible and we didnt feel any difference
> at all.
>
> >>If no play, then Jack it up so the tire is 'just' clear of the ground
> >>and hand spin the tire slow to see if it is egg or S shaped with a bad
> >>belt wobble or 'bent out of the box' rim wobble.
>
> Didnt do this, but I did have a buddy ride with me and he said that the
> passenger
> side is wobbling badly when it starts. Which means it isnt a tire IMO, since
> 1) both
> sides are doing it, and 2) we swapped the front tires for the backs and it
> made no
> difference at all.
>
> We tightened up everything and anything that was loose. Which included the
> stabilizer bracket and the track bar adjuster. Still no changes.
>
> Got any more ideas for me???
>
>
> >>Mike
> >>86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> >>88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >>
> >>jbjeep wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 98 TJ
> >>> new pitbull tires 35x14.5"
> >>> new rims, 15x10" granted cheap 4wpw steelies.
> >>> innovative balancing powder (yes, there is enough balance stuff in there
> >>> - at speed
> >>> its smooth)
> >>>
> >>> Started having a slight wobble occasionally, then it got worse - it
> >>> starts around
> >>> 30-40 MPH, if you can get to 40 with out it starting you are good on up.
> >>> Otherwise
> >>> you have to come nearly to a stop to stop the wobble. I can see the
> >>> wobble in the
> >>> drivers front tire when it happens. Not sure on the other side, since I
> >>> cant see it.
> >>> There is a little wobble/vibration at 65-70 MPH too. But its nothing
> >>> like what
> >>> happens at 35.
> >>>
> >>> I had the new currie steering (tie rod, drag link, and ends) put on, and
> >>> it actually
> >>> got worse. The only steering parts with old ends is the track bar.
> >>>
> >>> The shop who did the steering install checked the stabilizer and said it
> >>> was "nearly
> >>> as good as new", as in its tight and they cant easily move the shaft in
> >>> and out by
> >>> hand.
> >>>
> >>> The axle shafts are new, inner, outer, and u-joints.
> >>>
> >>> Where to look?
> >>>
> >>> Hubs/wheel bearings??
> >>>
> >>> Give me some ideas on what all to check. My neighbor is going to jack it up and help
> >>> me check the front end out on Sunday.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks gang!
> >>> -jenn