Death Wobble
10-09-2006, 04:16 PM
#51
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Death Wobble
The older European standards for socket wrench sets did not include
eithe 18 or 15 mm as "standard". Leave it to Ford and others to make
sure that none of the bolts they use can be dealt with by a European
based set.
Will Honea wrote:
> Typical selection - 16, 17, 19mm. Go to Sears and buy both an 18mm
> wrench and socket. If that's not the size you need now, you'll need
> it eventually. Same thing for 15mm - a lot of cheaper sets leave that
> one out as well.
>
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:22:44 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>We banged on the damper for a while but couldn't get the tapered bolt out.
>>What kind of puller should we have used if we could find one on Sunday
>>afternoon....
>>
>>The other end requires two 18 mm wrenches We had two 17s and two 19s but no
>>18s.....
>>
>>
>>"swbell" <kerygma2@swbell.net> wrote in message
>>news:C14EFDBB.50FF6%kerygma2@swbell.net...
>>
>>>Tire balance and the steering damper are the causes. I wouldn't think
>>>twice
>>>about changing the damper, then go to a reputable tire shop. Have them
>>>check the tires for out-of-round, and spin balance and rotate.
>>>
>>>Frequent tire rotation is an absolute must for Jeep owners. I do it every
>>>three months, and have them spin balanced too. It's been worth the money.
>>>
>>>The stock damper is pretty lame. You'll be changing it sooner or later
>>>anyway and they don't cost that much.
>>>
>>>If your dealer didn't know what was wrong, find somewhere else to take it.
>>>This is a very common problem.
>>>
>>>Paul Nelson
>>>http://www.kerygma.org/nelson
>>>
>>>
>>>in article Z2fWg.10818$e66.8146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, Lloyd Hanning
>>>at
>>>lloydhanning@yahoo.com wrote on 10/8/06 5:35 PM:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or a
>>>>weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to slow
>>>>down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can
>>>>continue.
>>>>I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said he
>>>>couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the steering
>>>>damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any
>>>>recommendations on what damper to get?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>Lloyd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET. ..
>>>>
>>>>>How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
>>>>>crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
>>>>>wobble......
>>>>>
>>>>>Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
>>>>>
>>>>>What I know:
>>>>>'96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
>>>>>Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
>>>>>time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
>>>>>of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
>>>>>brake job)
>>>>>
>>>>>Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
>>>>>mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
>>>>>I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
>>>>>suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
>>>>>mentioned before)
>>>>>
>>>>>I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular,
>>>>>other
>>>>>than the above, that I should look for?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
eithe 18 or 15 mm as "standard". Leave it to Ford and others to make
sure that none of the bolts they use can be dealt with by a European
based set.
Will Honea wrote:
> Typical selection - 16, 17, 19mm. Go to Sears and buy both an 18mm
> wrench and socket. If that's not the size you need now, you'll need
> it eventually. Same thing for 15mm - a lot of cheaper sets leave that
> one out as well.
>
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:22:44 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>We banged on the damper for a while but couldn't get the tapered bolt out.
>>What kind of puller should we have used if we could find one on Sunday
>>afternoon....
>>
>>The other end requires two 18 mm wrenches We had two 17s and two 19s but no
>>18s.....
>>
>>
>>"swbell" <kerygma2@swbell.net> wrote in message
>>news:C14EFDBB.50FF6%kerygma2@swbell.net...
>>
>>>Tire balance and the steering damper are the causes. I wouldn't think
>>>twice
>>>about changing the damper, then go to a reputable tire shop. Have them
>>>check the tires for out-of-round, and spin balance and rotate.
>>>
>>>Frequent tire rotation is an absolute must for Jeep owners. I do it every
>>>three months, and have them spin balanced too. It's been worth the money.
>>>
>>>The stock damper is pretty lame. You'll be changing it sooner or later
>>>anyway and they don't cost that much.
>>>
>>>If your dealer didn't know what was wrong, find somewhere else to take it.
>>>This is a very common problem.
>>>
>>>Paul Nelson
>>>http://www.kerygma.org/nelson
>>>
>>>
>>>in article Z2fWg.10818$e66.8146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, Lloyd Hanning
>>>at
>>>lloydhanning@yahoo.com wrote on 10/8/06 5:35 PM:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or a
>>>>weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to slow
>>>>down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can
>>>>continue.
>>>>I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said he
>>>>couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the steering
>>>>damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any
>>>>recommendations on what damper to get?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>Lloyd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET. ..
>>>>
>>>>>How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
>>>>>crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
>>>>>wobble......
>>>>>
>>>>>Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
>>>>>
>>>>>What I know:
>>>>>'96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
>>>>>Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
>>>>>time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
>>>>>of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
>>>>>brake job)
>>>>>
>>>>>Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
>>>>>mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
>>>>>I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
>>>>>suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
>>>>>mentioned before)
>>>>>
>>>>>I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular,
>>>>>other
>>>>>than the above, that I should look for?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
10-09-2006, 04:16 PM
#52
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Death Wobble
The older European standards for socket wrench sets did not include
eithe 18 or 15 mm as "standard". Leave it to Ford and others to make
sure that none of the bolts they use can be dealt with by a European
based set.
Will Honea wrote:
> Typical selection - 16, 17, 19mm. Go to Sears and buy both an 18mm
> wrench and socket. If that's not the size you need now, you'll need
> it eventually. Same thing for 15mm - a lot of cheaper sets leave that
> one out as well.
>
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:22:44 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>We banged on the damper for a while but couldn't get the tapered bolt out.
>>What kind of puller should we have used if we could find one on Sunday
>>afternoon....
>>
>>The other end requires two 18 mm wrenches We had two 17s and two 19s but no
>>18s.....
>>
>>
>>"swbell" <kerygma2@swbell.net> wrote in message
>>news:C14EFDBB.50FF6%kerygma2@swbell.net...
>>
>>>Tire balance and the steering damper are the causes. I wouldn't think
>>>twice
>>>about changing the damper, then go to a reputable tire shop. Have them
>>>check the tires for out-of-round, and spin balance and rotate.
>>>
>>>Frequent tire rotation is an absolute must for Jeep owners. I do it every
>>>three months, and have them spin balanced too. It's been worth the money.
>>>
>>>The stock damper is pretty lame. You'll be changing it sooner or later
>>>anyway and they don't cost that much.
>>>
>>>If your dealer didn't know what was wrong, find somewhere else to take it.
>>>This is a very common problem.
>>>
>>>Paul Nelson
>>>http://www.kerygma.org/nelson
>>>
>>>
>>>in article Z2fWg.10818$e66.8146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, Lloyd Hanning
>>>at
>>>lloydhanning@yahoo.com wrote on 10/8/06 5:35 PM:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or a
>>>>weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to slow
>>>>down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can
>>>>continue.
>>>>I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said he
>>>>couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the steering
>>>>damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any
>>>>recommendations on what damper to get?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>Lloyd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET. ..
>>>>
>>>>>How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
>>>>>crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
>>>>>wobble......
>>>>>
>>>>>Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
>>>>>
>>>>>What I know:
>>>>>'96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
>>>>>Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
>>>>>time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
>>>>>of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
>>>>>brake job)
>>>>>
>>>>>Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
>>>>>mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
>>>>>I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
>>>>>suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
>>>>>mentioned before)
>>>>>
>>>>>I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular,
>>>>>other
>>>>>than the above, that I should look for?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
eithe 18 or 15 mm as "standard". Leave it to Ford and others to make
sure that none of the bolts they use can be dealt with by a European
based set.
Will Honea wrote:
> Typical selection - 16, 17, 19mm. Go to Sears and buy both an 18mm
> wrench and socket. If that's not the size you need now, you'll need
> it eventually. Same thing for 15mm - a lot of cheaper sets leave that
> one out as well.
>
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:22:44 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>We banged on the damper for a while but couldn't get the tapered bolt out.
>>What kind of puller should we have used if we could find one on Sunday
>>afternoon....
>>
>>The other end requires two 18 mm wrenches We had two 17s and two 19s but no
>>18s.....
>>
>>
>>"swbell" <kerygma2@swbell.net> wrote in message
>>news:C14EFDBB.50FF6%kerygma2@swbell.net...
>>
>>>Tire balance and the steering damper are the causes. I wouldn't think
>>>twice
>>>about changing the damper, then go to a reputable tire shop. Have them
>>>check the tires for out-of-round, and spin balance and rotate.
>>>
>>>Frequent tire rotation is an absolute must for Jeep owners. I do it every
>>>three months, and have them spin balanced too. It's been worth the money.
>>>
>>>The stock damper is pretty lame. You'll be changing it sooner or later
>>>anyway and they don't cost that much.
>>>
>>>If your dealer didn't know what was wrong, find somewhere else to take it.
>>>This is a very common problem.
>>>
>>>Paul Nelson
>>>http://www.kerygma.org/nelson
>>>
>>>
>>>in article Z2fWg.10818$e66.8146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, Lloyd Hanning
>>>at
>>>lloydhanning@yahoo.com wrote on 10/8/06 5:35 PM:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or a
>>>>weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to slow
>>>>down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can
>>>>continue.
>>>>I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said he
>>>>couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the steering
>>>>damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any
>>>>recommendations on what damper to get?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks
>>>>Lloyd
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET. ..
>>>>
>>>>>How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
>>>>>crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
>>>>>wobble......
>>>>>
>>>>>Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
>>>>>
>>>>>What I know:
>>>>>'96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
>>>>>Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
>>>>>time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
>>>>>of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
>>>>>brake job)
>>>>>
>>>>>Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
>>>>>mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
>>>>>I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
>>>>>suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
>>>>>mentioned before)
>>>>>
>>>>>I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular,
>>>>>other
>>>>>than the above, that I should look for?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
10-09-2006, 05:02 PM
#56
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Death Wobble
Well, I bought my 15mm pieces to work on an old VW bug - that I
remember as I had to buy metric wrenches for the first time. And I
still use the 36mm required for bugs but I also recall that I didn't
run into an 18mm for several years after that and I had to get one to
work on the Japanese 4-banger that Chrysler used in their first
minivans. I think by now I have complete sets of them in 1/4, 3/8,
1/2, impact, open/combos, you name it. Funny how what used to be a
carry-around tool box has evolved into a roll-around chest I couldn't
lift on a bet!
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:16:23 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> The older European standards for socket wrench sets did not include
> eithe 18 or 15 mm as "standard". Leave it to Ford and others to make
> sure that none of the bolts they use can be dealt with by a European
> based set.
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> > Typical selection - 16, 17, 19mm. Go to Sears and buy both an 18mm
> > wrench and socket. If that's not the size you need now, you'll need
> > it eventually. Same thing for 15mm - a lot of cheaper sets leave that
> > one out as well.
> >
> > On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:22:44 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>We banged on the damper for a while but couldn't get the tapered bolt out.
> >>What kind of puller should we have used if we could find one on Sunday
> >>afternoon....
> >>
> >>The other end requires two 18 mm wrenches We had two 17s and two 19s but no
> >>18s.....
> >>
> >>
> >>"swbell" <kerygma2@swbell.net> wrote in message
> >>news:C14EFDBB.50FF6%kerygma2@swbell.net...
> >>
> >>>Tire balance and the steering damper are the causes. I wouldn't think
> >>>twice
> >>>about changing the damper, then go to a reputable tire shop. Have them
> >>>check the tires for out-of-round, and spin balance and rotate.
> >>>
> >>>Frequent tire rotation is an absolute must for Jeep owners. I do it every
> >>>three months, and have them spin balanced too. It's been worth the money.
> >>>
> >>>The stock damper is pretty lame. You'll be changing it sooner or later
> >>>anyway and they don't cost that much.
> >>>
> >>>If your dealer didn't know what was wrong, find somewhere else to take it.
> >>>This is a very common problem.
> >>>
> >>>Paul Nelson
> >>>http://www.kerygma.org/nelson
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>in article Z2fWg.10818$e66.8146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, Lloyd Hanning
> >>>at
> >>>lloydhanning@yahoo.com wrote on 10/8/06 5:35 PM:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or a
> >>>>weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to slow
> >>>>down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can
> >>>>continue.
> >>>>I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said he
> >>>>couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the steering
> >>>>damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any
> >>>>recommendations on what damper to get?
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks
> >>>>Lloyd
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET. ..
> >>>>
> >>>>>How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
> >>>>>crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
> >>>>>wobble......
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>What I know:
> >>>>>'96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
> >>>>>Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
> >>>>>time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
> >>>>>of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
> >>>>>brake job)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
> >>>>>mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
> >>>>>I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
> >>>>>suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
> >>>>>mentioned before)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular,
> >>>>>other
> >>>>>than the above, that I should look for?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> >
--
Will Honea
remember as I had to buy metric wrenches for the first time. And I
still use the 36mm required for bugs but I also recall that I didn't
run into an 18mm for several years after that and I had to get one to
work on the Japanese 4-banger that Chrysler used in their first
minivans. I think by now I have complete sets of them in 1/4, 3/8,
1/2, impact, open/combos, you name it. Funny how what used to be a
carry-around tool box has evolved into a roll-around chest I couldn't
lift on a bet!
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:16:23 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> The older European standards for socket wrench sets did not include
> eithe 18 or 15 mm as "standard". Leave it to Ford and others to make
> sure that none of the bolts they use can be dealt with by a European
> based set.
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> > Typical selection - 16, 17, 19mm. Go to Sears and buy both an 18mm
> > wrench and socket. If that's not the size you need now, you'll need
> > it eventually. Same thing for 15mm - a lot of cheaper sets leave that
> > one out as well.
> >
> > On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:22:44 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>We banged on the damper for a while but couldn't get the tapered bolt out.
> >>What kind of puller should we have used if we could find one on Sunday
> >>afternoon....
> >>
> >>The other end requires two 18 mm wrenches We had two 17s and two 19s but no
> >>18s.....
> >>
> >>
> >>"swbell" <kerygma2@swbell.net> wrote in message
> >>news:C14EFDBB.50FF6%kerygma2@swbell.net...
> >>
> >>>Tire balance and the steering damper are the causes. I wouldn't think
> >>>twice
> >>>about changing the damper, then go to a reputable tire shop. Have them
> >>>check the tires for out-of-round, and spin balance and rotate.
> >>>
> >>>Frequent tire rotation is an absolute must for Jeep owners. I do it every
> >>>three months, and have them spin balanced too. It's been worth the money.
> >>>
> >>>The stock damper is pretty lame. You'll be changing it sooner or later
> >>>anyway and they don't cost that much.
> >>>
> >>>If your dealer didn't know what was wrong, find somewhere else to take it.
> >>>This is a very common problem.
> >>>
> >>>Paul Nelson
> >>>http://www.kerygma.org/nelson
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>in article Z2fWg.10818$e66.8146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, Lloyd Hanning
> >>>at
> >>>lloydhanning@yahoo.com wrote on 10/8/06 5:35 PM:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or a
> >>>>weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to slow
> >>>>down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can
> >>>>continue.
> >>>>I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said he
> >>>>couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the steering
> >>>>damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any
> >>>>recommendations on what damper to get?
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks
> >>>>Lloyd
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET. ..
> >>>>
> >>>>>How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
> >>>>>crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
> >>>>>wobble......
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>What I know:
> >>>>>'96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
> >>>>>Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
> >>>>>time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
> >>>>>of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
> >>>>>brake job)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
> >>>>>mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
> >>>>>I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
> >>>>>suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
> >>>>>mentioned before)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular,
> >>>>>other
> >>>>>than the above, that I should look for?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> >
--
Will Honea
10-09-2006, 05:02 PM
#57
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Death Wobble
Well, I bought my 15mm pieces to work on an old VW bug - that I
remember as I had to buy metric wrenches for the first time. And I
still use the 36mm required for bugs but I also recall that I didn't
run into an 18mm for several years after that and I had to get one to
work on the Japanese 4-banger that Chrysler used in their first
minivans. I think by now I have complete sets of them in 1/4, 3/8,
1/2, impact, open/combos, you name it. Funny how what used to be a
carry-around tool box has evolved into a roll-around chest I couldn't
lift on a bet!
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:16:23 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> The older European standards for socket wrench sets did not include
> eithe 18 or 15 mm as "standard". Leave it to Ford and others to make
> sure that none of the bolts they use can be dealt with by a European
> based set.
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> > Typical selection - 16, 17, 19mm. Go to Sears and buy both an 18mm
> > wrench and socket. If that's not the size you need now, you'll need
> > it eventually. Same thing for 15mm - a lot of cheaper sets leave that
> > one out as well.
> >
> > On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:22:44 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>We banged on the damper for a while but couldn't get the tapered bolt out.
> >>What kind of puller should we have used if we could find one on Sunday
> >>afternoon....
> >>
> >>The other end requires two 18 mm wrenches We had two 17s and two 19s but no
> >>18s.....
> >>
> >>
> >>"swbell" <kerygma2@swbell.net> wrote in message
> >>news:C14EFDBB.50FF6%kerygma2@swbell.net...
> >>
> >>>Tire balance and the steering damper are the causes. I wouldn't think
> >>>twice
> >>>about changing the damper, then go to a reputable tire shop. Have them
> >>>check the tires for out-of-round, and spin balance and rotate.
> >>>
> >>>Frequent tire rotation is an absolute must for Jeep owners. I do it every
> >>>three months, and have them spin balanced too. It's been worth the money.
> >>>
> >>>The stock damper is pretty lame. You'll be changing it sooner or later
> >>>anyway and they don't cost that much.
> >>>
> >>>If your dealer didn't know what was wrong, find somewhere else to take it.
> >>>This is a very common problem.
> >>>
> >>>Paul Nelson
> >>>http://www.kerygma.org/nelson
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>in article Z2fWg.10818$e66.8146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, Lloyd Hanning
> >>>at
> >>>lloydhanning@yahoo.com wrote on 10/8/06 5:35 PM:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or a
> >>>>weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to slow
> >>>>down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can
> >>>>continue.
> >>>>I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said he
> >>>>couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the steering
> >>>>damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any
> >>>>recommendations on what damper to get?
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks
> >>>>Lloyd
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET. ..
> >>>>
> >>>>>How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
> >>>>>crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
> >>>>>wobble......
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>What I know:
> >>>>>'96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
> >>>>>Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
> >>>>>time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
> >>>>>of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
> >>>>>brake job)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
> >>>>>mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
> >>>>>I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
> >>>>>suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
> >>>>>mentioned before)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular,
> >>>>>other
> >>>>>than the above, that I should look for?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> >
--
Will Honea
remember as I had to buy metric wrenches for the first time. And I
still use the 36mm required for bugs but I also recall that I didn't
run into an 18mm for several years after that and I had to get one to
work on the Japanese 4-banger that Chrysler used in their first
minivans. I think by now I have complete sets of them in 1/4, 3/8,
1/2, impact, open/combos, you name it. Funny how what used to be a
carry-around tool box has evolved into a roll-around chest I couldn't
lift on a bet!
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:16:23 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> The older European standards for socket wrench sets did not include
> eithe 18 or 15 mm as "standard". Leave it to Ford and others to make
> sure that none of the bolts they use can be dealt with by a European
> based set.
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> > Typical selection - 16, 17, 19mm. Go to Sears and buy both an 18mm
> > wrench and socket. If that's not the size you need now, you'll need
> > it eventually. Same thing for 15mm - a lot of cheaper sets leave that
> > one out as well.
> >
> > On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:22:44 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>We banged on the damper for a while but couldn't get the tapered bolt out.
> >>What kind of puller should we have used if we could find one on Sunday
> >>afternoon....
> >>
> >>The other end requires two 18 mm wrenches We had two 17s and two 19s but no
> >>18s.....
> >>
> >>
> >>"swbell" <kerygma2@swbell.net> wrote in message
> >>news:C14EFDBB.50FF6%kerygma2@swbell.net...
> >>
> >>>Tire balance and the steering damper are the causes. I wouldn't think
> >>>twice
> >>>about changing the damper, then go to a reputable tire shop. Have them
> >>>check the tires for out-of-round, and spin balance and rotate.
> >>>
> >>>Frequent tire rotation is an absolute must for Jeep owners. I do it every
> >>>three months, and have them spin balanced too. It's been worth the money.
> >>>
> >>>The stock damper is pretty lame. You'll be changing it sooner or later
> >>>anyway and they don't cost that much.
> >>>
> >>>If your dealer didn't know what was wrong, find somewhere else to take it.
> >>>This is a very common problem.
> >>>
> >>>Paul Nelson
> >>>http://www.kerygma.org/nelson
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>in article Z2fWg.10818$e66.8146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, Lloyd Hanning
> >>>at
> >>>lloydhanning@yahoo.com wrote on 10/8/06 5:35 PM:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or a
> >>>>weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to slow
> >>>>down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can
> >>>>continue.
> >>>>I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said he
> >>>>couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the steering
> >>>>damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any
> >>>>recommendations on what damper to get?
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks
> >>>>Lloyd
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET. ..
> >>>>
> >>>>>How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
> >>>>>crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
> >>>>>wobble......
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>What I know:
> >>>>>'96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
> >>>>>Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
> >>>>>time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
> >>>>>of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
> >>>>>brake job)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
> >>>>>mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
> >>>>>I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
> >>>>>suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
> >>>>>mentioned before)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular,
> >>>>>other
> >>>>>than the above, that I should look for?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> >
--
Will Honea
10-09-2006, 05:02 PM
#58
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Death Wobble
Well, I bought my 15mm pieces to work on an old VW bug - that I
remember as I had to buy metric wrenches for the first time. And I
still use the 36mm required for bugs but I also recall that I didn't
run into an 18mm for several years after that and I had to get one to
work on the Japanese 4-banger that Chrysler used in their first
minivans. I think by now I have complete sets of them in 1/4, 3/8,
1/2, impact, open/combos, you name it. Funny how what used to be a
carry-around tool box has evolved into a roll-around chest I couldn't
lift on a bet!
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:16:23 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> The older European standards for socket wrench sets did not include
> eithe 18 or 15 mm as "standard". Leave it to Ford and others to make
> sure that none of the bolts they use can be dealt with by a European
> based set.
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> > Typical selection - 16, 17, 19mm. Go to Sears and buy both an 18mm
> > wrench and socket. If that's not the size you need now, you'll need
> > it eventually. Same thing for 15mm - a lot of cheaper sets leave that
> > one out as well.
> >
> > On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:22:44 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>We banged on the damper for a while but couldn't get the tapered bolt out.
> >>What kind of puller should we have used if we could find one on Sunday
> >>afternoon....
> >>
> >>The other end requires two 18 mm wrenches We had two 17s and two 19s but no
> >>18s.....
> >>
> >>
> >>"swbell" <kerygma2@swbell.net> wrote in message
> >>news:C14EFDBB.50FF6%kerygma2@swbell.net...
> >>
> >>>Tire balance and the steering damper are the causes. I wouldn't think
> >>>twice
> >>>about changing the damper, then go to a reputable tire shop. Have them
> >>>check the tires for out-of-round, and spin balance and rotate.
> >>>
> >>>Frequent tire rotation is an absolute must for Jeep owners. I do it every
> >>>three months, and have them spin balanced too. It's been worth the money.
> >>>
> >>>The stock damper is pretty lame. You'll be changing it sooner or later
> >>>anyway and they don't cost that much.
> >>>
> >>>If your dealer didn't know what was wrong, find somewhere else to take it.
> >>>This is a very common problem.
> >>>
> >>>Paul Nelson
> >>>http://www.kerygma.org/nelson
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>in article Z2fWg.10818$e66.8146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, Lloyd Hanning
> >>>at
> >>>lloydhanning@yahoo.com wrote on 10/8/06 5:35 PM:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or a
> >>>>weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to slow
> >>>>down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can
> >>>>continue.
> >>>>I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said he
> >>>>couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the steering
> >>>>damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any
> >>>>recommendations on what damper to get?
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks
> >>>>Lloyd
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET. ..
> >>>>
> >>>>>How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
> >>>>>crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
> >>>>>wobble......
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>What I know:
> >>>>>'96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
> >>>>>Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
> >>>>>time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
> >>>>>of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
> >>>>>brake job)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
> >>>>>mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
> >>>>>I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
> >>>>>suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
> >>>>>mentioned before)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular,
> >>>>>other
> >>>>>than the above, that I should look for?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> >
--
Will Honea
remember as I had to buy metric wrenches for the first time. And I
still use the 36mm required for bugs but I also recall that I didn't
run into an 18mm for several years after that and I had to get one to
work on the Japanese 4-banger that Chrysler used in their first
minivans. I think by now I have complete sets of them in 1/4, 3/8,
1/2, impact, open/combos, you name it. Funny how what used to be a
carry-around tool box has evolved into a roll-around chest I couldn't
lift on a bet!
On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:16:23 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
> The older European standards for socket wrench sets did not include
> eithe 18 or 15 mm as "standard". Leave it to Ford and others to make
> sure that none of the bolts they use can be dealt with by a European
> based set.
>
> Will Honea wrote:
> > Typical selection - 16, 17, 19mm. Go to Sears and buy both an 18mm
> > wrench and socket. If that's not the size you need now, you'll need
> > it eventually. Same thing for 15mm - a lot of cheaper sets leave that
> > one out as well.
> >
> > On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:22:44 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>We banged on the damper for a while but couldn't get the tapered bolt out.
> >>What kind of puller should we have used if we could find one on Sunday
> >>afternoon....
> >>
> >>The other end requires two 18 mm wrenches We had two 17s and two 19s but no
> >>18s.....
> >>
> >>
> >>"swbell" <kerygma2@swbell.net> wrote in message
> >>news:C14EFDBB.50FF6%kerygma2@swbell.net...
> >>
> >>>Tire balance and the steering damper are the causes. I wouldn't think
> >>>twice
> >>>about changing the damper, then go to a reputable tire shop. Have them
> >>>check the tires for out-of-round, and spin balance and rotate.
> >>>
> >>>Frequent tire rotation is an absolute must for Jeep owners. I do it every
> >>>three months, and have them spin balanced too. It's been worth the money.
> >>>
> >>>The stock damper is pretty lame. You'll be changing it sooner or later
> >>>anyway and they don't cost that much.
> >>>
> >>>If your dealer didn't know what was wrong, find somewhere else to take it.
> >>>This is a very common problem.
> >>>
> >>>Paul Nelson
> >>>http://www.kerygma.org/nelson
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>in article Z2fWg.10818$e66.8146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, Lloyd Hanning
> >>>at
> >>>lloydhanning@yahoo.com wrote on 10/8/06 5:35 PM:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or a
> >>>>weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to slow
> >>>>down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can
> >>>>continue.
> >>>>I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said he
> >>>>couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the steering
> >>>>damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any
> >>>>recommendations on what damper to get?
> >>>>
> >>>>Thanks
> >>>>Lloyd
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET. ..
> >>>>
> >>>>>How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
> >>>>>crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
> >>>>>wobble......
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>What I know:
> >>>>>'96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
> >>>>>Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
> >>>>>time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
> >>>>>of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
> >>>>>brake job)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
> >>>>>mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
> >>>>>I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
> >>>>>suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
> >>>>>mentioned before)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular,
> >>>>>other
> >>>>>than the above, that I should look for?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
> >
--
Will Honea
10-09-2006, 06:47 PM
#59
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Death Wobble
I now have several tool boxes divided up by project for just that reason in
addition to the main handtool box.. It does lead to duplication of some
common tools but I would rather have two 19 inch tool boxes than one 26
incher I couldn't lift.
Every time I go the Sears I look at those roll-away tool boxes with
extendable handles but then..... how would I get them in and out of the
Jeep?
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-BRSDIpdzdIUv@anon.none.net...
> Well, I bought my 15mm pieces to work on an old VW bug - that I
> remember as I had to buy metric wrenches for the first time. And I
> still use the 36mm required for bugs but I also recall that I didn't
> run into an 18mm for several years after that and I had to get one to
> work on the Japanese 4-banger that Chrysler used in their first
> minivans. I think by now I have complete sets of them in 1/4, 3/8,
> 1/2, impact, open/combos, you name it. Funny how what used to be a
> carry-around tool box has evolved into a roll-around chest I couldn't
> lift on a bet!
>
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:16:23 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
>
>> The older European standards for socket wrench sets did not include
>> eithe 18 or 15 mm as "standard". Leave it to Ford and others to make
>> sure that none of the bolts they use can be dealt with by a European
>> based set.
>>
>> Will Honea wrote:
>> > Typical selection - 16, 17, 19mm. Go to Sears and buy both an 18mm
>> > wrench and socket. If that's not the size you need now, you'll need
>> > it eventually. Same thing for 15mm - a lot of cheaper sets leave that
>> > one out as well.
>> >
>> > On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:22:44 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>We banged on the damper for a while but couldn't get the tapered bolt
>> >>out.
>> >>What kind of puller should we have used if we could find one on Sunday
>> >>afternoon....
>> >>
>> >>The other end requires two 18 mm wrenches We had two 17s and two 19s
>> >>but no
>> >>18s.....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"swbell" <kerygma2@swbell.net> wrote in message
>> >>news:C14EFDBB.50FF6%kerygma2@swbell.net...
>> >>
>> >>>Tire balance and the steering damper are the causes. I wouldn't think
>> >>>twice
>> >>>about changing the damper, then go to a reputable tire shop. Have
>> >>>them
>> >>>check the tires for out-of-round, and spin balance and rotate.
>> >>>
>> >>>Frequent tire rotation is an absolute must for Jeep owners. I do it
>> >>>every
>> >>>three months, and have them spin balanced too. It's been worth the
>> >>>money.
>> >>>
>> >>>The stock damper is pretty lame. You'll be changing it sooner or
>> >>>later
>> >>>anyway and they don't cost that much.
>> >>>
>> >>>If your dealer didn't know what was wrong, find somewhere else to take
>> >>>it.
>> >>>This is a very common problem.
>> >>>
>> >>>Paul Nelson
>> >>>http://www.kerygma.org/nelson
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>in article Z2fWg.10818$e66.8146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, Lloyd
>> >>>Hanning
>> >>>at
>> >>>lloydhanning@yahoo.com wrote on 10/8/06 5:35 PM:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or
>> >>>>a
>> >>>>weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to
>> >>>>slow
>> >>>>down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can
>> >>>>continue.
>> >>>>I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said
>> >>>>he
>> >>>>couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the
>> >>>>steering
>> >>>>damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any
>> >>>>recommendations on what damper to get?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Thanks
>> >>>>Lloyd
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET. ..
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction
>> >>>>>to
>> >>>>>crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
>> >>>>>wobble......
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>What I know:
>> >>>>>'96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
>> >>>>>Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at
>> >>>>>that
>> >>>>>time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown,
>> >>>>>condition
>> >>>>>of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before
>> >>>>>the
>> >>>>>brake job)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation
>> >>>>>only
>> >>>>>mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last
>> >>>>>night.
>> >>>>>I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem.
>> >>>>>(I
>> >>>>>suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never
>> >>>>>been
>> >>>>>mentioned before)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular,
>> >>>>>other
>> >>>>>than the above, that I should look for?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
addition to the main handtool box.. It does lead to duplication of some
common tools but I would rather have two 19 inch tool boxes than one 26
incher I couldn't lift.
Every time I go the Sears I look at those roll-away tool boxes with
extendable handles but then..... how would I get them in and out of the
Jeep?
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-BRSDIpdzdIUv@anon.none.net...
> Well, I bought my 15mm pieces to work on an old VW bug - that I
> remember as I had to buy metric wrenches for the first time. And I
> still use the 36mm required for bugs but I also recall that I didn't
> run into an 18mm for several years after that and I had to get one to
> work on the Japanese 4-banger that Chrysler used in their first
> minivans. I think by now I have complete sets of them in 1/4, 3/8,
> 1/2, impact, open/combos, you name it. Funny how what used to be a
> carry-around tool box has evolved into a roll-around chest I couldn't
> lift on a bet!
>
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:16:23 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
>
>> The older European standards for socket wrench sets did not include
>> eithe 18 or 15 mm as "standard". Leave it to Ford and others to make
>> sure that none of the bolts they use can be dealt with by a European
>> based set.
>>
>> Will Honea wrote:
>> > Typical selection - 16, 17, 19mm. Go to Sears and buy both an 18mm
>> > wrench and socket. If that's not the size you need now, you'll need
>> > it eventually. Same thing for 15mm - a lot of cheaper sets leave that
>> > one out as well.
>> >
>> > On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:22:44 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>We banged on the damper for a while but couldn't get the tapered bolt
>> >>out.
>> >>What kind of puller should we have used if we could find one on Sunday
>> >>afternoon....
>> >>
>> >>The other end requires two 18 mm wrenches We had two 17s and two 19s
>> >>but no
>> >>18s.....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"swbell" <kerygma2@swbell.net> wrote in message
>> >>news:C14EFDBB.50FF6%kerygma2@swbell.net...
>> >>
>> >>>Tire balance and the steering damper are the causes. I wouldn't think
>> >>>twice
>> >>>about changing the damper, then go to a reputable tire shop. Have
>> >>>them
>> >>>check the tires for out-of-round, and spin balance and rotate.
>> >>>
>> >>>Frequent tire rotation is an absolute must for Jeep owners. I do it
>> >>>every
>> >>>three months, and have them spin balanced too. It's been worth the
>> >>>money.
>> >>>
>> >>>The stock damper is pretty lame. You'll be changing it sooner or
>> >>>later
>> >>>anyway and they don't cost that much.
>> >>>
>> >>>If your dealer didn't know what was wrong, find somewhere else to take
>> >>>it.
>> >>>This is a very common problem.
>> >>>
>> >>>Paul Nelson
>> >>>http://www.kerygma.org/nelson
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>in article Z2fWg.10818$e66.8146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, Lloyd
>> >>>Hanning
>> >>>at
>> >>>lloydhanning@yahoo.com wrote on 10/8/06 5:35 PM:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or
>> >>>>a
>> >>>>weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to
>> >>>>slow
>> >>>>down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can
>> >>>>continue.
>> >>>>I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said
>> >>>>he
>> >>>>couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the
>> >>>>steering
>> >>>>damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any
>> >>>>recommendations on what damper to get?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Thanks
>> >>>>Lloyd
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET. ..
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction
>> >>>>>to
>> >>>>>crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
>> >>>>>wobble......
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>What I know:
>> >>>>>'96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
>> >>>>>Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at
>> >>>>>that
>> >>>>>time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown,
>> >>>>>condition
>> >>>>>of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before
>> >>>>>the
>> >>>>>brake job)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation
>> >>>>>only
>> >>>>>mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last
>> >>>>>night.
>> >>>>>I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem.
>> >>>>>(I
>> >>>>>suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never
>> >>>>>been
>> >>>>>mentioned before)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular,
>> >>>>>other
>> >>>>>than the above, that I should look for?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
10-09-2006, 06:47 PM
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Guest
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Re: Death Wobble
I now have several tool boxes divided up by project for just that reason in
addition to the main handtool box.. It does lead to duplication of some
common tools but I would rather have two 19 inch tool boxes than one 26
incher I couldn't lift.
Every time I go the Sears I look at those roll-away tool boxes with
extendable handles but then..... how would I get them in and out of the
Jeep?
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-BRSDIpdzdIUv@anon.none.net...
> Well, I bought my 15mm pieces to work on an old VW bug - that I
> remember as I had to buy metric wrenches for the first time. And I
> still use the 36mm required for bugs but I also recall that I didn't
> run into an 18mm for several years after that and I had to get one to
> work on the Japanese 4-banger that Chrysler used in their first
> minivans. I think by now I have complete sets of them in 1/4, 3/8,
> 1/2, impact, open/combos, you name it. Funny how what used to be a
> carry-around tool box has evolved into a roll-around chest I couldn't
> lift on a bet!
>
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:16:23 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
>
>> The older European standards for socket wrench sets did not include
>> eithe 18 or 15 mm as "standard". Leave it to Ford and others to make
>> sure that none of the bolts they use can be dealt with by a European
>> based set.
>>
>> Will Honea wrote:
>> > Typical selection - 16, 17, 19mm. Go to Sears and buy both an 18mm
>> > wrench and socket. If that's not the size you need now, you'll need
>> > it eventually. Same thing for 15mm - a lot of cheaper sets leave that
>> > one out as well.
>> >
>> > On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:22:44 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>We banged on the damper for a while but couldn't get the tapered bolt
>> >>out.
>> >>What kind of puller should we have used if we could find one on Sunday
>> >>afternoon....
>> >>
>> >>The other end requires two 18 mm wrenches We had two 17s and two 19s
>> >>but no
>> >>18s.....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"swbell" <kerygma2@swbell.net> wrote in message
>> >>news:C14EFDBB.50FF6%kerygma2@swbell.net...
>> >>
>> >>>Tire balance and the steering damper are the causes. I wouldn't think
>> >>>twice
>> >>>about changing the damper, then go to a reputable tire shop. Have
>> >>>them
>> >>>check the tires for out-of-round, and spin balance and rotate.
>> >>>
>> >>>Frequent tire rotation is an absolute must for Jeep owners. I do it
>> >>>every
>> >>>three months, and have them spin balanced too. It's been worth the
>> >>>money.
>> >>>
>> >>>The stock damper is pretty lame. You'll be changing it sooner or
>> >>>later
>> >>>anyway and they don't cost that much.
>> >>>
>> >>>If your dealer didn't know what was wrong, find somewhere else to take
>> >>>it.
>> >>>This is a very common problem.
>> >>>
>> >>>Paul Nelson
>> >>>http://www.kerygma.org/nelson
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>in article Z2fWg.10818$e66.8146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, Lloyd
>> >>>Hanning
>> >>>at
>> >>>lloydhanning@yahoo.com wrote on 10/8/06 5:35 PM:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or
>> >>>>a
>> >>>>weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to
>> >>>>slow
>> >>>>down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can
>> >>>>continue.
>> >>>>I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said
>> >>>>he
>> >>>>couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the
>> >>>>steering
>> >>>>damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any
>> >>>>recommendations on what damper to get?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Thanks
>> >>>>Lloyd
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET. ..
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction
>> >>>>>to
>> >>>>>crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
>> >>>>>wobble......
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>What I know:
>> >>>>>'96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
>> >>>>>Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at
>> >>>>>that
>> >>>>>time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown,
>> >>>>>condition
>> >>>>>of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before
>> >>>>>the
>> >>>>>brake job)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation
>> >>>>>only
>> >>>>>mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last
>> >>>>>night.
>> >>>>>I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem.
>> >>>>>(I
>> >>>>>suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never
>> >>>>>been
>> >>>>>mentioned before)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular,
>> >>>>>other
>> >>>>>than the above, that I should look for?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea
addition to the main handtool box.. It does lead to duplication of some
common tools but I would rather have two 19 inch tool boxes than one 26
incher I couldn't lift.
Every time I go the Sears I look at those roll-away tool boxes with
extendable handles but then..... how would I get them in and out of the
Jeep?
"Will Honea" <whonea@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:JxX2tWiP5BNp-pn2-BRSDIpdzdIUv@anon.none.net...
> Well, I bought my 15mm pieces to work on an old VW bug - that I
> remember as I had to buy metric wrenches for the first time. And I
> still use the 36mm required for bugs but I also recall that I didn't
> run into an 18mm for several years after that and I had to get one to
> work on the Japanese 4-banger that Chrysler used in their first
> minivans. I think by now I have complete sets of them in 1/4, 3/8,
> 1/2, impact, open/combos, you name it. Funny how what used to be a
> carry-around tool box has evolved into a roll-around chest I couldn't
> lift on a bet!
>
> On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 20:16:23 UTC RoyJ <spamless@microsoft.net> wrote:
>
>> The older European standards for socket wrench sets did not include
>> eithe 18 or 15 mm as "standard". Leave it to Ford and others to make
>> sure that none of the bolts they use can be dealt with by a European
>> based set.
>>
>> Will Honea wrote:
>> > Typical selection - 16, 17, 19mm. Go to Sears and buy both an 18mm
>> > wrench and socket. If that's not the size you need now, you'll need
>> > it eventually. Same thing for 15mm - a lot of cheaper sets leave that
>> > one out as well.
>> >
>> > On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 02:22:44 UTC "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>We banged on the damper for a while but couldn't get the tapered bolt
>> >>out.
>> >>What kind of puller should we have used if we could find one on Sunday
>> >>afternoon....
>> >>
>> >>The other end requires two 18 mm wrenches We had two 17s and two 19s
>> >>but no
>> >>18s.....
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>"swbell" <kerygma2@swbell.net> wrote in message
>> >>news:C14EFDBB.50FF6%kerygma2@swbell.net...
>> >>
>> >>>Tire balance and the steering damper are the causes. I wouldn't think
>> >>>twice
>> >>>about changing the damper, then go to a reputable tire shop. Have
>> >>>them
>> >>>check the tires for out-of-round, and spin balance and rotate.
>> >>>
>> >>>Frequent tire rotation is an absolute must for Jeep owners. I do it
>> >>>every
>> >>>three months, and have them spin balanced too. It's been worth the
>> >>>money.
>> >>>
>> >>>The stock damper is pretty lame. You'll be changing it sooner or
>> >>>later
>> >>>anyway and they don't cost that much.
>> >>>
>> >>>If your dealer didn't know what was wrong, find somewhere else to take
>> >>>it.
>> >>>This is a very common problem.
>> >>>
>> >>>Paul Nelson
>> >>>http://www.kerygma.org/nelson
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>in article Z2fWg.10818$e66.8146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, Lloyd
>> >>>Hanning
>> >>>at
>> >>>lloydhanning@yahoo.com wrote on 10/8/06 5:35 PM:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>I've got an 04 Rubicon and it goes nuts too when I cross RR tracks or
>> >>>>a
>> >>>>weird bump. Seems it only happens when I'm doing 50 - 60. I have to
>> >>>>slow
>> >>>>down to 30 go keep it under control. The wobble stops, then I can
>> >>>>continue.
>> >>>>I've only got 15K on it, and I took it back to the dealer and he said
>> >>>>he
>> >>>>couldn't find anything wrong. I'm thinking about replacing the
>> >>>>steering
>> >>>>damper with a bigger one. Do you think that would help? If so, any
>> >>>>recommendations on what damper to get?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Thanks
>> >>>>Lloyd
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET. ..
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction
>> >>>>>to
>> >>>>>crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
>> >>>>>wobble......
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>What I know:
>> >>>>>'96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
>> >>>>>Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at
>> >>>>>that
>> >>>>>time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown,
>> >>>>>condition
>> >>>>>of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before
>> >>>>>the
>> >>>>>brake job)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation
>> >>>>>only
>> >>>>>mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last
>> >>>>>night.
>> >>>>>I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem.
>> >>>>>(I
>> >>>>>suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never
>> >>>>>been
>> >>>>>mentioned before)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular,
>> >>>>>other
>> >>>>>than the above, that I should look for?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>
>
> --
> Will Honea