Death Wobble
10-06-2006, 11:38 PM
#11
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Re: Death Wobble
Or three thousand miles with each oil change:
http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"Frank_v7.0" wrote:
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> and rotate every 6000 miles. :-)
>
> --
> FRH
http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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"Frank_v7.0" wrote:
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> and rotate every 6000 miles. :-)
>
> --
> FRH
10-06-2006, 11:38 PM
#12
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Re: Death Wobble
Or three thousand miles with each oil change:
http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>
> and rotate every 6000 miles. :-)
>
> --
> FRH
http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>
> and rotate every 6000 miles. :-)
>
> --
> FRH
10-06-2006, 11:38 PM
#13
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Re: Death Wobble
Or three thousand miles with each oil change:
http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>
> and rotate every 6000 miles. :-)
>
> --
> FRH
http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:--------------------
"Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>
> and rotate every 6000 miles. :-)
>
> --
> FRH
10-07-2006, 04:09 AM
#14
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Re: Death Wobble
Aw heck Bill, *my* tires need to rotate roughly every hunnert inches or
so. It sure beats draggin the durned things down the street.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Or three thousand miles with each oil change:
> http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>
>>and rotate every 6000 miles. :-)
>>
>>--
>>FRH
10-07-2006, 04:09 AM
#15
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Re: Death Wobble
Aw heck Bill, *my* tires need to rotate roughly every hunnert inches or
so. It sure beats draggin the durned things down the street.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Or three thousand miles with each oil change:
> http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>
>>and rotate every 6000 miles. :-)
>>
>>--
>>FRH
10-07-2006, 04:09 AM
#16
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Re: Death Wobble
Aw heck Bill, *my* tires need to rotate roughly every hunnert inches or
so. It sure beats draggin the durned things down the street.
L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Or three thousand miles with each oil change:
> http://www.----------.com/lubeSchedule.pdf
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>
>>and rotate every 6000 miles. :-)
>>
>>--
>>FRH
10-07-2006, 05:17 PM
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Re: Death Wobble
I took a look at the '96 XJ 2WD with the DW today.
The front end alignment is definitely off, the passenger front tire has the
outboard edge well scrubbed and there is .... some .... evidence that a
weight may have been thrown off. (cleaner spot on the rim)
While the wheels were off I greased all the zerks and noticed that several
rubber bushings were in sad shape and there was an oily layer of dirt on the
steering stabilizer tube.
The tires were all at different pressures, 3 ranged from 25-28 psi and one
at 31 psi
The least amount of weight used to balance the tires was 1.75 ounces, 1 tire
at 2.25 ounces, one at 2.75 ounces, and the highest had 5.25 ounces on
215-75x15 tires and all the weights were on the inside rim , none on the
outside.
All 4 shocks work fine, Jeep settles during the first bounce
The DW first occurred a month and a half ago and last occurred yesterday
afternoon at 47 mph in a straight and smooth section of level road.
Today the XJ was greased and the tires rotated front to back
I recommended all the tires be broken down and rotated 180 degrees and
rebalanced and the front end aligned.
After that we would attend to the bushings and steering stabilizer
Any thoughts?
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET...
> How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
>
> I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
> crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
> wobble......
>
> Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
>
> What I know:
> '96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
> Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
> time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
> of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
> brake job)
>
> Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
> mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
> I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
> suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
> mentioned before)
>
> I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular, other
> than the above, that I should look for?
>
The front end alignment is definitely off, the passenger front tire has the
outboard edge well scrubbed and there is .... some .... evidence that a
weight may have been thrown off. (cleaner spot on the rim)
While the wheels were off I greased all the zerks and noticed that several
rubber bushings were in sad shape and there was an oily layer of dirt on the
steering stabilizer tube.
The tires were all at different pressures, 3 ranged from 25-28 psi and one
at 31 psi
The least amount of weight used to balance the tires was 1.75 ounces, 1 tire
at 2.25 ounces, one at 2.75 ounces, and the highest had 5.25 ounces on
215-75x15 tires and all the weights were on the inside rim , none on the
outside.
All 4 shocks work fine, Jeep settles during the first bounce
The DW first occurred a month and a half ago and last occurred yesterday
afternoon at 47 mph in a straight and smooth section of level road.
Today the XJ was greased and the tires rotated front to back
I recommended all the tires be broken down and rotated 180 degrees and
rebalanced and the front end aligned.
After that we would attend to the bushings and steering stabilizer
Any thoughts?
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET...
> How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
>
> I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
> crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
> wobble......
>
> Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
>
> What I know:
> '96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
> Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
> time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
> of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
> brake job)
>
> Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
> mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
> I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
> suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
> mentioned before)
>
> I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular, other
> than the above, that I should look for?
>
10-07-2006, 05:17 PM
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Re: Death Wobble
I took a look at the '96 XJ 2WD with the DW today.
The front end alignment is definitely off, the passenger front tire has the
outboard edge well scrubbed and there is .... some .... evidence that a
weight may have been thrown off. (cleaner spot on the rim)
While the wheels were off I greased all the zerks and noticed that several
rubber bushings were in sad shape and there was an oily layer of dirt on the
steering stabilizer tube.
The tires were all at different pressures, 3 ranged from 25-28 psi and one
at 31 psi
The least amount of weight used to balance the tires was 1.75 ounces, 1 tire
at 2.25 ounces, one at 2.75 ounces, and the highest had 5.25 ounces on
215-75x15 tires and all the weights were on the inside rim , none on the
outside.
All 4 shocks work fine, Jeep settles during the first bounce
The DW first occurred a month and a half ago and last occurred yesterday
afternoon at 47 mph in a straight and smooth section of level road.
Today the XJ was greased and the tires rotated front to back
I recommended all the tires be broken down and rotated 180 degrees and
rebalanced and the front end aligned.
After that we would attend to the bushings and steering stabilizer
Any thoughts?
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET...
> How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
>
> I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
> crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
> wobble......
>
> Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
>
> What I know:
> '96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
> Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
> time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
> of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
> brake job)
>
> Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
> mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
> I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
> suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
> mentioned before)
>
> I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular, other
> than the above, that I should look for?
>
The front end alignment is definitely off, the passenger front tire has the
outboard edge well scrubbed and there is .... some .... evidence that a
weight may have been thrown off. (cleaner spot on the rim)
While the wheels were off I greased all the zerks and noticed that several
rubber bushings were in sad shape and there was an oily layer of dirt on the
steering stabilizer tube.
The tires were all at different pressures, 3 ranged from 25-28 psi and one
at 31 psi
The least amount of weight used to balance the tires was 1.75 ounces, 1 tire
at 2.25 ounces, one at 2.75 ounces, and the highest had 5.25 ounces on
215-75x15 tires and all the weights were on the inside rim , none on the
outside.
All 4 shocks work fine, Jeep settles during the first bounce
The DW first occurred a month and a half ago and last occurred yesterday
afternoon at 47 mph in a straight and smooth section of level road.
Today the XJ was greased and the tires rotated front to back
I recommended all the tires be broken down and rotated 180 degrees and
rebalanced and the front end aligned.
After that we would attend to the bushings and steering stabilizer
Any thoughts?
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET...
> How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
>
> I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
> crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
> wobble......
>
> Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
>
> What I know:
> '96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
> Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
> time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
> of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
> brake job)
>
> Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
> mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
> I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
> suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
> mentioned before)
>
> I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular, other
> than the above, that I should look for?
>
10-07-2006, 05:17 PM
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Re: Death Wobble
I took a look at the '96 XJ 2WD with the DW today.
The front end alignment is definitely off, the passenger front tire has the
outboard edge well scrubbed and there is .... some .... evidence that a
weight may have been thrown off. (cleaner spot on the rim)
While the wheels were off I greased all the zerks and noticed that several
rubber bushings were in sad shape and there was an oily layer of dirt on the
steering stabilizer tube.
The tires were all at different pressures, 3 ranged from 25-28 psi and one
at 31 psi
The least amount of weight used to balance the tires was 1.75 ounces, 1 tire
at 2.25 ounces, one at 2.75 ounces, and the highest had 5.25 ounces on
215-75x15 tires and all the weights were on the inside rim , none on the
outside.
All 4 shocks work fine, Jeep settles during the first bounce
The DW first occurred a month and a half ago and last occurred yesterday
afternoon at 47 mph in a straight and smooth section of level road.
Today the XJ was greased and the tires rotated front to back
I recommended all the tires be broken down and rotated 180 degrees and
rebalanced and the front end aligned.
After that we would attend to the bushings and steering stabilizer
Any thoughts?
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET...
> How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
>
> I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
> crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
> wobble......
>
> Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
>
> What I know:
> '96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
> Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
> time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
> of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
> brake job)
>
> Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
> mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
> I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
> suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
> mentioned before)
>
> I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular, other
> than the above, that I should look for?
>
The front end alignment is definitely off, the passenger front tire has the
outboard edge well scrubbed and there is .... some .... evidence that a
weight may have been thrown off. (cleaner spot on the rim)
While the wheels were off I greased all the zerks and noticed that several
rubber bushings were in sad shape and there was an oily layer of dirt on the
steering stabilizer tube.
The tires were all at different pressures, 3 ranged from 25-28 psi and one
at 31 psi
The least amount of weight used to balance the tires was 1.75 ounces, 1 tire
at 2.25 ounces, one at 2.75 ounces, and the highest had 5.25 ounces on
215-75x15 tires and all the weights were on the inside rim , none on the
outside.
All 4 shocks work fine, Jeep settles during the first bounce
The DW first occurred a month and a half ago and last occurred yesterday
afternoon at 47 mph in a straight and smooth section of level road.
Today the XJ was greased and the tires rotated front to back
I recommended all the tires be broken down and rotated 180 degrees and
rebalanced and the front end aligned.
After that we would attend to the bushings and steering stabilizer
Any thoughts?
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET...
> How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
>
> I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
> crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
> wobble......
>
> Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
>
> What I know:
> '96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
> Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
> time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
> of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
> brake job)
>
> Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
> mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
> I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
> suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
> mentioned before)
>
> I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular, other
> than the above, that I should look for?
>
10-07-2006, 10:26 PM
#20
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Re: Death Wobble
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
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>I took a look at the '96 XJ 2WD with the DW today.
>
> The front end alignment is definitely off, the passenger front tire has
> the outboard edge well scrubbed and there is .... some .... evidence that
> a weight may have been thrown off. (cleaner spot on the rim)
>
> While the wheels were off I greased all the zerks and noticed that several
> rubber bushings were in sad shape and there was an oily layer of dirt on
> the steering stabilizer tube.
>
> The tires were all at different pressures, 3 ranged from 25-28 psi and one
> at 31 psi
>
> The least amount of weight used to balance the tires was 1.75 ounces, 1
> tire at 2.25 ounces, one at 2.75 ounces, and the highest had 5.25 ounces
> on 215-75x15 tires and all the weights were on the inside rim , none on
> the outside.
>
> All 4 shocks work fine, Jeep settles during the first bounce
>
> The DW first occurred a month and a half ago and last occurred yesterday
> afternoon at 47 mph in a straight and smooth section of level road.
>
> Today the XJ was greased and the tires rotated front to back
>
> I recommended all the tires be broken down and rotated 180 degrees and
> rebalanced and the front end aligned.
>
> After that we would attend to the bushings and steering stabilizer
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:461cb$4526f346$422afc51$22255@FUSE.NET...
>> How common is death wobble on a bone stock 2WD XJ?.
>>
>> I have a friend who was trying to describe the XJs recent reaction to
>> crossing the railroad tracks and all I could make of it was death
>> wobble......
>>
>> Am I missing something or what should I be looking at tomorrow?
>>
>> What I know:
>> '96 XJ Classic 2WD, ~90k miles, 4 liter 3 speed automatic,. Kelly
>> Celebrity tires mounted and balanced 2 years ago, not aligned at that
>> time (old tires had no odd wear), condition of shocks unknown, condition
>> of suspension unknown. Brakes and rotors new - DW existed before the
>> brake job)
>>
>> Jeeps seems to be otherwise in good shape the 'dw like' sensation only
>> mentioned as an afterthought within a different conversation last night.
>> I don't know if this is the first instance or a recurring problem. (I
>> suspect it is not a common occurrence on this Jeep as it has never been
>> mentioned before)
>>
>> I will be looking at this over the weekend. Anything in particular,
>> other than the above, that I should look for?
>>
>
>
That's a good start. Get the bushings and stabilizer replaced and I'll bet
the problem goes away.
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