tim bur

take it off and go for a ride!!!

"L.W.(ßill) ------ III" wrote:

> Jeff,
> My '62, '72. '78 all came stock with dampeners, anything with a
> straight axle did. And I've never had a death wobble, I've always used
> better tires than that. If you would have wanted to replace yours, you
> could have at: http://www.----------.com/temp/jeffsTruck.jpg
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:--------------------
>
> Jeff Strickland wrote:
> >
> > We once owned a '65 Ford pick up truck, it did not have a steering
> > stabalizer. I suspect the steering stabalizer has very little to do with
> > death wobble.

tim bur

remember evil kaneivals jump at Caesar's palace they are now showing on tv
now as a commerical, the death wobble before he goes over the bars been there
done that racing mx

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:

> Any motorcyclist who experiences death wobble should change his steering
> stabilizer immediately.
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42D199F2.20CFD182@***.net...
> > And if you knew anything about tires, you would know a death wobble
> > a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
> > motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
> > poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
> > of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
> > other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > RoyJ wrote:
> >>
> >> We all know it is quite possible to have a tight and non yielding
> >> steering stabilizer and have one wheel precess (death wobble) all by
> >> itself if the ball joints are loose. And we all know that Bill will tell
> >> you to mask the problem by getting a new stabilizer rather than fixing
> >> the underlying problem. And we have all had the flame wars with Bill
> >> trying to get him to even budge off his standard position of "change the
> >> stabilizer" So what else is new under the sun?

tim bur

remember evil kaneivals jump at Caesar's palace they are now showing on tv
now as a commerical, the death wobble before he goes over the bars been there
done that racing mx

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:

> Any motorcyclist who experiences death wobble should change his steering
> stabilizer immediately.
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42D199F2.20CFD182@***.net...
> > And if you knew anything about tires, you would know a death wobble
> > a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
> > motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
> > poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
> > of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
> > other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > RoyJ wrote:
> >>
> >> We all know it is quite possible to have a tight and non yielding
> >> steering stabilizer and have one wheel precess (death wobble) all by
> >> itself if the ball joints are loose. And we all know that Bill will tell
> >> you to mask the problem by getting a new stabilizer rather than fixing
> >> the underlying problem. And we have all had the flame wars with Bill
> >> trying to get him to even budge off his standard position of "change the
> >> stabilizer" So what else is new under the sun?

tim bur

remember evil kaneivals jump at Caesar's palace they are now showing on tv
now as a commerical, the death wobble before he goes over the bars been there
done that racing mx

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:

> Any motorcyclist who experiences death wobble should change his steering
> stabilizer immediately.
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42D199F2.20CFD182@***.net...
> > And if you knew anything about tires, you would know a death wobble
> > a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
> > motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
> > poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
> > of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
> > other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > RoyJ wrote:
> >>
> >> We all know it is quite possible to have a tight and non yielding
> >> steering stabilizer and have one wheel precess (death wobble) all by
> >> itself if the ball joints are loose. And we all know that Bill will tell
> >> you to mask the problem by getting a new stabilizer rather than fixing
> >> the underlying problem. And we have all had the flame wars with Bill
> >> trying to get him to even budge off his standard position of "change the
> >> stabilizer" So what else is new under the sun?

tim bur

remember evil kaneivals jump at Caesar's palace they are now showing on tv
now as a commerical, the death wobble before he goes over the bars been there
done that racing mx

Matt Macchiarolo wrote:

> Any motorcyclist who experiences death wobble should change his steering
> stabilizer immediately.
>
> "L.W. ("ßill") ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:42D199F2.20CFD182@***.net...
> > And if you knew anything about tires, you would know a death wobble
> > a tire problem that happen only at high speed, catastrophic to
> > motorcyclist: http://www.big-boys.com/articles/bikewipestreet.html The
> > poster described the classic shimmy. which if you had sold the thousand
> > of tires I have you would know it takes two tires bouncing off each
> > other to create: http://www.----------.com/tireShimmy.mpg
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:--------------------
> >
> > RoyJ wrote:
> >>
> >> We all know it is quite possible to have a tight and non yielding
> >> steering stabilizer and have one wheel precess (death wobble) all by
> >> itself if the ball joints are loose. And we all know that Bill will tell
> >> you to mask the problem by getting a new stabilizer rather than fixing
> >> the underlying problem. And we have all had the flame wars with Bill
> >> trying to get him to even budge off his standard position of "change the
> >> stabilizer" So what else is new under the sun?

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

If I ever get on a bike again, I'm sure part of my ritual will
still be to ping the spokes.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

tim bur wrote:
>
> oh my god!!!!! he changes a pile of marginal parts that does not fix it!!!
> same dam thing you have said about me and working at a dealer excuse me
> stealership is the words you used, and look at what you have admitted in
> writing right here enough said

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

If I ever get on a bike again, I'm sure part of my ritual will
still be to ping the spokes.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

tim bur wrote:
>
> oh my god!!!!! he changes a pile of marginal parts that does not fix it!!!
> same dam thing you have said about me and working at a dealer excuse me
> stealership is the words you used, and look at what you have admitted in
> writing right here enough said

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

If I ever get on a bike again, I'm sure part of my ritual will
still be to ping the spokes.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

tim bur wrote:
>
> oh my god!!!!! he changes a pile of marginal parts that does not fix it!!!
> same dam thing you have said about me and working at a dealer excuse me
> stealership is the words you used, and look at what you have admitted in
> writing right here enough said

L.W.(=?iso-8859-1?Q?=DFill?=) Hughes III

If I ever get on a bike again, I'm sure part of my ritual will
still be to ping the spokes.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

tim bur wrote:
>
> oh my god!!!!! he changes a pile of marginal parts that does not fix it!!!
> same dam thing you have said about me and working at a dealer excuse me
> stealership is the words you used, and look at what you have admitted in
> writing right here enough said

Mike Romain

When it comes to front end parts on the vehicle my wife and kid drives,
'marginal' means just what is says. Not really safe and in need of
repair sooner or later and on a vehicle with 300K on it I figured sooner
was better.

They were my choice to swap or not, I didn't get suckered by a
$tealership telling me I 'had' to change this to the tune of $2000.00 or
more 'labor' only to still have a shake.

*'You'* are supposed to know better! That is supposedly why 'you' can
charge $80.00+ per hour and still sleep at night!

'I', unlike 'you', never claimed to be a mechanic.....

My CJ7 also had a bunch of 'marginal' steering components. Each
component was good enough to pass a safety, just, but add them all up
and the vehicle would not drive at 65 mph without shaking itself off the
road. I saved some of those 'marginal' parts for my off road spares box
by the by.

So I changed all those 'marginal' parts and left the steering stabilizer
alone and now have 'perfect' steering on 'both' Jeeps.

Like our Cherokee brakes. The $tealership gave a quote of over $2000.00
in writing to fix a low brake pedal when my wife took it in for a 'free'
brake inspection.

I had someone open them up so I could look when it got home.

The 6 month old rear brake shoe needed a hold down pin and one front
rotor was scored from a stuck caliper. That was it!!!!! The low pedal
was from the broken 15 cent pin the local Jeep shop gave me the
replacement for for free. New shoes and pads and drums and rotor were
already in place at the other 3 wheels with almost no wear.

You $tealership jerks are a bunch of thieves. Oh, I can back that up in
writing too, caught the local $tealership charging tax on non taxable
items which is a criminal offense up here in Canada.

Mike

tim bur wrote:
>
> oh my god!!!!! he changes a pile of marginal parts that does not fix it!!!
> same dam thing you have said about me and working at a dealer excuse me
> stealership is the words you used, and look at what you have admitted in
> writing right here enough said
>
> Mike Romain wrote:
>
> > When all else fails and you are 'sure' all the bushings, bearings and
> > ball joint or tie rod ends and tires (rotate them to the back to be
> > sure) are perfect and still have the shimmy, check the rad fan.
> >
> > We had the death wobble in our Cherokee so bad I thought I was going to
> > lose a front wheel finally. It worked it's way worse. I checked
> > everything, changes a pile of 'marginal' parts and still no joy.
> >
> > Then my fan started eating the fan shroud. Bingo. That sucker went
> > into a harmonic wobble literally bad enough to shake us off the road. A
> > weak engine mount and a spongy tranny mount let the vibration magnify
> > that bad.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Cal wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > It seems our 97 wrangler has developed the 'death wobble.' Occasionally,
> > > after i guess hitting a bump just right, we get a severe wobble in the
> > > steering wheel that will only stop after slowing down. I have checked
> > > linkages in the suspension, and the only play i can find is in the
> > > stabilizer bar links. There is some play on both sides there. I replaced
> > > the steering damper last summer, and I guess it could be defective. The
> > > jeep handles great (well, as great as a jeep can!), and the tires are in
> > > balance. What do i look for?? Could it be the stabilizer bar links?
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > cal