Dana Corp files for bankruptcy
#221
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Re: Off Topic Dana Corp files for bankruptcy
Hi Earle,
I would guess it's like memorizing all the symbols of the Japanese
written language. Which my dyslexic reversal of letters would never
compensate for.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Some of the more recent studies indicate that phonics in English may be a
> waste of time, as English is not written phonetically. Incredibly, people
> who read and write well just know all of the words of the language as unique
> symbols, at a subconscious level. There is simply no time to put the
> phonetic information together during normal processing of written language.
> Your osmosis theory has some merit.
>
> Earle
I would guess it's like memorizing all the symbols of the Japanese
written language. Which my dyslexic reversal of letters would never
compensate for.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Earle Horton wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Some of the more recent studies indicate that phonics in English may be a
> waste of time, as English is not written phonetically. Incredibly, people
> who read and write well just know all of the words of the language as unique
> symbols, at a subconscious level. There is simply no time to put the
> phonetic information together during normal processing of written language.
> Your osmosis theory has some merit.
>
> Earle
#222
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Re: Off Topic: A is for apple, B is.. WAS: Dana Corp files forbankruptcy
Hi Lee,
That reminds me I still read shoe as boot. So, I was taught
starting in 1946 to recognize the shape of the word, and maybe draw a
line around the word to help, hence "shoe" looks like a boot to me and
always will.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> It wasn't that many centuries ago that written English was phonetic.
>
> Back in the 1960s some then-new research showed that proficient readers
> learn on their own to scan the outline shape of words instead of
> individual characters. "Ah ha!" was heard from the ivory tower, "we'll
> speed things up by teaching kids to `sight read' the shapes of words
> instead of making them learn to read characters, then syllables, then
> complete words. They'll just pick up the phonics and the foreign
> loan-word variations as they go along."
>
> Hey, guess what. We didn't. Short-cutting the learning process
> resulted in kids who can read silently and quickly, but who don't
> automatically sound out words. I've got a fairly large written
> vocabulary but I can't correctly pronounce a distressing portion of it.
> On the other hand, even with my nearsightedness I can read highway
> information signs long before my traveling companions can make out the
> characters, so maybe it is useful for something after all.
>
> The bottom line is that you have to walk before you can run, and you
> have to learn the rules of a language before you can understand how they
> get broken. Shortcutting the process just cheats the kids.
That reminds me I still read shoe as boot. So, I was taught
starting in 1946 to recognize the shape of the word, and maybe draw a
line around the word to help, hence "shoe" looks like a boot to me and
always will.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> It wasn't that many centuries ago that written English was phonetic.
>
> Back in the 1960s some then-new research showed that proficient readers
> learn on their own to scan the outline shape of words instead of
> individual characters. "Ah ha!" was heard from the ivory tower, "we'll
> speed things up by teaching kids to `sight read' the shapes of words
> instead of making them learn to read characters, then syllables, then
> complete words. They'll just pick up the phonics and the foreign
> loan-word variations as they go along."
>
> Hey, guess what. We didn't. Short-cutting the learning process
> resulted in kids who can read silently and quickly, but who don't
> automatically sound out words. I've got a fairly large written
> vocabulary but I can't correctly pronounce a distressing portion of it.
> On the other hand, even with my nearsightedness I can read highway
> information signs long before my traveling companions can make out the
> characters, so maybe it is useful for something after all.
>
> The bottom line is that you have to walk before you can run, and you
> have to learn the rules of a language before you can understand how they
> get broken. Shortcutting the process just cheats the kids.
#223
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Re: Off Topic: A is for apple, B is.. WAS: Dana Corp files forbankruptcy
Hi Lee,
That reminds me I still read shoe as boot. So, I was taught
starting in 1946 to recognize the shape of the word, and maybe draw a
line around the word to help, hence "shoe" looks like a boot to me and
always will.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> It wasn't that many centuries ago that written English was phonetic.
>
> Back in the 1960s some then-new research showed that proficient readers
> learn on their own to scan the outline shape of words instead of
> individual characters. "Ah ha!" was heard from the ivory tower, "we'll
> speed things up by teaching kids to `sight read' the shapes of words
> instead of making them learn to read characters, then syllables, then
> complete words. They'll just pick up the phonics and the foreign
> loan-word variations as they go along."
>
> Hey, guess what. We didn't. Short-cutting the learning process
> resulted in kids who can read silently and quickly, but who don't
> automatically sound out words. I've got a fairly large written
> vocabulary but I can't correctly pronounce a distressing portion of it.
> On the other hand, even with my nearsightedness I can read highway
> information signs long before my traveling companions can make out the
> characters, so maybe it is useful for something after all.
>
> The bottom line is that you have to walk before you can run, and you
> have to learn the rules of a language before you can understand how they
> get broken. Shortcutting the process just cheats the kids.
That reminds me I still read shoe as boot. So, I was taught
starting in 1946 to recognize the shape of the word, and maybe draw a
line around the word to help, hence "shoe" looks like a boot to me and
always will.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> It wasn't that many centuries ago that written English was phonetic.
>
> Back in the 1960s some then-new research showed that proficient readers
> learn on their own to scan the outline shape of words instead of
> individual characters. "Ah ha!" was heard from the ivory tower, "we'll
> speed things up by teaching kids to `sight read' the shapes of words
> instead of making them learn to read characters, then syllables, then
> complete words. They'll just pick up the phonics and the foreign
> loan-word variations as they go along."
>
> Hey, guess what. We didn't. Short-cutting the learning process
> resulted in kids who can read silently and quickly, but who don't
> automatically sound out words. I've got a fairly large written
> vocabulary but I can't correctly pronounce a distressing portion of it.
> On the other hand, even with my nearsightedness I can read highway
> information signs long before my traveling companions can make out the
> characters, so maybe it is useful for something after all.
>
> The bottom line is that you have to walk before you can run, and you
> have to learn the rules of a language before you can understand how they
> get broken. Shortcutting the process just cheats the kids.
#224
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Re: Off Topic: A is for apple, B is.. WAS: Dana Corp files forbankruptcy
Hi Lee,
That reminds me I still read shoe as boot. So, I was taught
starting in 1946 to recognize the shape of the word, and maybe draw a
line around the word to help, hence "shoe" looks like a boot to me and
always will.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> It wasn't that many centuries ago that written English was phonetic.
>
> Back in the 1960s some then-new research showed that proficient readers
> learn on their own to scan the outline shape of words instead of
> individual characters. "Ah ha!" was heard from the ivory tower, "we'll
> speed things up by teaching kids to `sight read' the shapes of words
> instead of making them learn to read characters, then syllables, then
> complete words. They'll just pick up the phonics and the foreign
> loan-word variations as they go along."
>
> Hey, guess what. We didn't. Short-cutting the learning process
> resulted in kids who can read silently and quickly, but who don't
> automatically sound out words. I've got a fairly large written
> vocabulary but I can't correctly pronounce a distressing portion of it.
> On the other hand, even with my nearsightedness I can read highway
> information signs long before my traveling companions can make out the
> characters, so maybe it is useful for something after all.
>
> The bottom line is that you have to walk before you can run, and you
> have to learn the rules of a language before you can understand how they
> get broken. Shortcutting the process just cheats the kids.
That reminds me I still read shoe as boot. So, I was taught
starting in 1946 to recognize the shape of the word, and maybe draw a
line around the word to help, hence "shoe" looks like a boot to me and
always will.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> It wasn't that many centuries ago that written English was phonetic.
>
> Back in the 1960s some then-new research showed that proficient readers
> learn on their own to scan the outline shape of words instead of
> individual characters. "Ah ha!" was heard from the ivory tower, "we'll
> speed things up by teaching kids to `sight read' the shapes of words
> instead of making them learn to read characters, then syllables, then
> complete words. They'll just pick up the phonics and the foreign
> loan-word variations as they go along."
>
> Hey, guess what. We didn't. Short-cutting the learning process
> resulted in kids who can read silently and quickly, but who don't
> automatically sound out words. I've got a fairly large written
> vocabulary but I can't correctly pronounce a distressing portion of it.
> On the other hand, even with my nearsightedness I can read highway
> information signs long before my traveling companions can make out the
> characters, so maybe it is useful for something after all.
>
> The bottom line is that you have to walk before you can run, and you
> have to learn the rules of a language before you can understand how they
> get broken. Shortcutting the process just cheats the kids.
#225
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Re: Off Topic: A is for apple, B is.. WAS: Dana Corp files forbankruptcy
Hi Lee,
That reminds me I still read shoe as boot. So, I was taught
starting in 1946 to recognize the shape of the word, and maybe draw a
line around the word to help, hence "shoe" looks like a boot to me and
always will.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> It wasn't that many centuries ago that written English was phonetic.
>
> Back in the 1960s some then-new research showed that proficient readers
> learn on their own to scan the outline shape of words instead of
> individual characters. "Ah ha!" was heard from the ivory tower, "we'll
> speed things up by teaching kids to `sight read' the shapes of words
> instead of making them learn to read characters, then syllables, then
> complete words. They'll just pick up the phonics and the foreign
> loan-word variations as they go along."
>
> Hey, guess what. We didn't. Short-cutting the learning process
> resulted in kids who can read silently and quickly, but who don't
> automatically sound out words. I've got a fairly large written
> vocabulary but I can't correctly pronounce a distressing portion of it.
> On the other hand, even with my nearsightedness I can read highway
> information signs long before my traveling companions can make out the
> characters, so maybe it is useful for something after all.
>
> The bottom line is that you have to walk before you can run, and you
> have to learn the rules of a language before you can understand how they
> get broken. Shortcutting the process just cheats the kids.
That reminds me I still read shoe as boot. So, I was taught
starting in 1946 to recognize the shape of the word, and maybe draw a
line around the word to help, hence "shoe" looks like a boot to me and
always will.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lee Ayrton wrote:
>
> It wasn't that many centuries ago that written English was phonetic.
>
> Back in the 1960s some then-new research showed that proficient readers
> learn on their own to scan the outline shape of words instead of
> individual characters. "Ah ha!" was heard from the ivory tower, "we'll
> speed things up by teaching kids to `sight read' the shapes of words
> instead of making them learn to read characters, then syllables, then
> complete words. They'll just pick up the phonics and the foreign
> loan-word variations as they go along."
>
> Hey, guess what. We didn't. Short-cutting the learning process
> resulted in kids who can read silently and quickly, but who don't
> automatically sound out words. I've got a fairly large written
> vocabulary but I can't correctly pronounce a distressing portion of it.
> On the other hand, even with my nearsightedness I can read highway
> information signs long before my traveling companions can make out the
> characters, so maybe it is useful for something after all.
>
> The bottom line is that you have to walk before you can run, and you
> have to learn the rules of a language before you can understand how they
> get broken. Shortcutting the process just cheats the kids.
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Re: Off Topic Dana Corp files for bankruptcy
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Attack, for those without common sense. I cdnuolt blveiee taht I
> cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The phaonmneal pweor of the
> hmuan mnid aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deons't
> mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng
> is taht the fsirt and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be
> a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is
> bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the
> wrod as a wlohe. Azmnaig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tohguht slpelnig was
> ipmornatt!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>Whats a nuclear attract? Something that draws fat man and little boys
>>to the area?
Ahh, whatever happened to alt.best-of-usenet ?
> Attack, for those without common sense. I cdnuolt blveiee taht I
> cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The phaonmneal pweor of the
> hmuan mnid aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deons't
> mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng
> is taht the fsirt and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be
> a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is
> bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the
> wrod as a wlohe. Azmnaig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tohguht slpelnig was
> ipmornatt!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>Whats a nuclear attract? Something that draws fat man and little boys
>>to the area?
Ahh, whatever happened to alt.best-of-usenet ?
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Re: Off Topic Dana Corp files for bankruptcy
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Attack, for those without common sense. I cdnuolt blveiee taht I
> cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The phaonmneal pweor of the
> hmuan mnid aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deons't
> mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng
> is taht the fsirt and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be
> a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is
> bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the
> wrod as a wlohe. Azmnaig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tohguht slpelnig was
> ipmornatt!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>Whats a nuclear attract? Something that draws fat man and little boys
>>to the area?
Ahh, whatever happened to alt.best-of-usenet ?
> Attack, for those without common sense. I cdnuolt blveiee taht I
> cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The phaonmneal pweor of the
> hmuan mnid aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deons't
> mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng
> is taht the fsirt and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be
> a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is
> bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the
> wrod as a wlohe. Azmnaig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tohguht slpelnig was
> ipmornatt!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>Whats a nuclear attract? Something that draws fat man and little boys
>>to the area?
Ahh, whatever happened to alt.best-of-usenet ?
#228
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Re: Off Topic Dana Corp files for bankruptcy
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Attack, for those without common sense. I cdnuolt blveiee taht I
> cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The phaonmneal pweor of the
> hmuan mnid aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deons't
> mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng
> is taht the fsirt and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be
> a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is
> bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the
> wrod as a wlohe. Azmnaig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tohguht slpelnig was
> ipmornatt!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>Whats a nuclear attract? Something that draws fat man and little boys
>>to the area?
Ahh, whatever happened to alt.best-of-usenet ?
> Attack, for those without common sense. I cdnuolt blveiee taht I
> cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The phaonmneal pweor of the
> hmuan mnid aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deons't
> mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng
> is taht the fsirt and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be
> a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is
> bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the
> wrod as a wlohe. Azmnaig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tohguht slpelnig was
> ipmornatt!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>Whats a nuclear attract? Something that draws fat man and little boys
>>to the area?
Ahh, whatever happened to alt.best-of-usenet ?
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Re: Off Topic Dana Corp files for bankruptcy
L.W.(ßill) ------ III proclaimed:
> Attack, for those without common sense. I cdnuolt blveiee taht I
> cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The phaonmneal pweor of the
> hmuan mnid aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deons't
> mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng
> is taht the fsirt and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be
> a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is
> bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the
> wrod as a wlohe. Azmnaig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tohguht slpelnig was
> ipmornatt!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>Whats a nuclear attract? Something that draws fat man and little boys
>>to the area?
Ahh, whatever happened to alt.best-of-usenet ?
> Attack, for those without common sense. I cdnuolt blveiee taht I
> cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg The phaonmneal pweor of the
> hmuan mnid aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deons't
> mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng
> is taht the fsirt and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be
> a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is
> bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey ltteer by istlef, but the
> wrod as a wlohe. Azmnaig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tohguht slpelnig was
> ipmornatt!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Lon wrote:
>
>>Whats a nuclear attract? Something that draws fat man and little boys
>>to the area?
Ahh, whatever happened to alt.best-of-usenet ?
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Re: Off Topic Dana Corp files for bankruptcy
Nuked.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
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Lon wrote:
>
> Ahh, whatever happened to alt.best-of-usenet ?
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
Lon wrote:
>
> Ahh, whatever happened to alt.best-of-usenet ?