D-C might become just D and C.
#151
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Re: D-C might become just D and C.
I agree, but they should also consider a smaller vehicle more like the
original Jeep, a simple, basic, relatively inexpensive go anywhere
little Jeep ... and ALL Jeeps should be able to do the Rubicon.
Jeff DeWitt
Nathan In Montana wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:45d3d301$0$4847$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> For Jeep to be a successful company all on it's own I think it would
>> either need someone or a small group of people with very deep pockets.
>
> it is my belief that for jeep to ever be a successful, stand-alone company
> they must do two things:
>
> 1- downsize
> 2- return to their roots
>
> lets face it, jeep heritage is built on _one_ aspect alone. off-road
> capability. when they water down their name by using it to sell
> soft-roaders they also water down their heritage. it is my belief that if
> they dumped their entire current lineup and sold only two vehicles:
>
> 1- TJ
> 2- XJ
>
> they could sell enough to remain profitable. its this expansion into
> yuppie-ville (commander, compass, patriot, liberty, etc.) that has gotten
> them into trouble.
>
> .....since this will never happen and a parent company is inevitable, id
> like to see ford acquire it. ford has more invested in the original jeep
> heritage than the current day jeep. at least the ford motor company is the
> same company it was back when they were building jeeps. jeep went from
> ****** to kaiser to amc to chrysler and now to who knows.
>
original Jeep, a simple, basic, relatively inexpensive go anywhere
little Jeep ... and ALL Jeeps should be able to do the Rubicon.
Jeff DeWitt
Nathan In Montana wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:45d3d301$0$4847$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> For Jeep to be a successful company all on it's own I think it would
>> either need someone or a small group of people with very deep pockets.
>
> it is my belief that for jeep to ever be a successful, stand-alone company
> they must do two things:
>
> 1- downsize
> 2- return to their roots
>
> lets face it, jeep heritage is built on _one_ aspect alone. off-road
> capability. when they water down their name by using it to sell
> soft-roaders they also water down their heritage. it is my belief that if
> they dumped their entire current lineup and sold only two vehicles:
>
> 1- TJ
> 2- XJ
>
> they could sell enough to remain profitable. its this expansion into
> yuppie-ville (commander, compass, patriot, liberty, etc.) that has gotten
> them into trouble.
>
> .....since this will never happen and a parent company is inevitable, id
> like to see ford acquire it. ford has more invested in the original jeep
> heritage than the current day jeep. at least the ford motor company is the
> same company it was back when they were building jeeps. jeep went from
> ****** to kaiser to amc to chrysler and now to who knows.
>
#152
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Re: D-C might become just D and C.
I agree, but they should also consider a smaller vehicle more like the
original Jeep, a simple, basic, relatively inexpensive go anywhere
little Jeep ... and ALL Jeeps should be able to do the Rubicon.
Jeff DeWitt
Nathan In Montana wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:45d3d301$0$4847$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> For Jeep to be a successful company all on it's own I think it would
>> either need someone or a small group of people with very deep pockets.
>
> it is my belief that for jeep to ever be a successful, stand-alone company
> they must do two things:
>
> 1- downsize
> 2- return to their roots
>
> lets face it, jeep heritage is built on _one_ aspect alone. off-road
> capability. when they water down their name by using it to sell
> soft-roaders they also water down their heritage. it is my belief that if
> they dumped their entire current lineup and sold only two vehicles:
>
> 1- TJ
> 2- XJ
>
> they could sell enough to remain profitable. its this expansion into
> yuppie-ville (commander, compass, patriot, liberty, etc.) that has gotten
> them into trouble.
>
> .....since this will never happen and a parent company is inevitable, id
> like to see ford acquire it. ford has more invested in the original jeep
> heritage than the current day jeep. at least the ford motor company is the
> same company it was back when they were building jeeps. jeep went from
> ****** to kaiser to amc to chrysler and now to who knows.
>
original Jeep, a simple, basic, relatively inexpensive go anywhere
little Jeep ... and ALL Jeeps should be able to do the Rubicon.
Jeff DeWitt
Nathan In Montana wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:45d3d301$0$4847$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> For Jeep to be a successful company all on it's own I think it would
>> either need someone or a small group of people with very deep pockets.
>
> it is my belief that for jeep to ever be a successful, stand-alone company
> they must do two things:
>
> 1- downsize
> 2- return to their roots
>
> lets face it, jeep heritage is built on _one_ aspect alone. off-road
> capability. when they water down their name by using it to sell
> soft-roaders they also water down their heritage. it is my belief that if
> they dumped their entire current lineup and sold only two vehicles:
>
> 1- TJ
> 2- XJ
>
> they could sell enough to remain profitable. its this expansion into
> yuppie-ville (commander, compass, patriot, liberty, etc.) that has gotten
> them into trouble.
>
> .....since this will never happen and a parent company is inevitable, id
> like to see ford acquire it. ford has more invested in the original jeep
> heritage than the current day jeep. at least the ford motor company is the
> same company it was back when they were building jeeps. jeep went from
> ****** to kaiser to amc to chrysler and now to who knows.
>
#153
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Posts: n/a
Re: D-C might become just D and C.
I agree, but they should also consider a smaller vehicle more like the
original Jeep, a simple, basic, relatively inexpensive go anywhere
little Jeep ... and ALL Jeeps should be able to do the Rubicon.
Jeff DeWitt
Nathan In Montana wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:45d3d301$0$4847$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> For Jeep to be a successful company all on it's own I think it would
>> either need someone or a small group of people with very deep pockets.
>
> it is my belief that for jeep to ever be a successful, stand-alone company
> they must do two things:
>
> 1- downsize
> 2- return to their roots
>
> lets face it, jeep heritage is built on _one_ aspect alone. off-road
> capability. when they water down their name by using it to sell
> soft-roaders they also water down their heritage. it is my belief that if
> they dumped their entire current lineup and sold only two vehicles:
>
> 1- TJ
> 2- XJ
>
> they could sell enough to remain profitable. its this expansion into
> yuppie-ville (commander, compass, patriot, liberty, etc.) that has gotten
> them into trouble.
>
> .....since this will never happen and a parent company is inevitable, id
> like to see ford acquire it. ford has more invested in the original jeep
> heritage than the current day jeep. at least the ford motor company is the
> same company it was back when they were building jeeps. jeep went from
> ****** to kaiser to amc to chrysler and now to who knows.
>
original Jeep, a simple, basic, relatively inexpensive go anywhere
little Jeep ... and ALL Jeeps should be able to do the Rubicon.
Jeff DeWitt
Nathan In Montana wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:45d3d301$0$4847$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> For Jeep to be a successful company all on it's own I think it would
>> either need someone or a small group of people with very deep pockets.
>
> it is my belief that for jeep to ever be a successful, stand-alone company
> they must do two things:
>
> 1- downsize
> 2- return to their roots
>
> lets face it, jeep heritage is built on _one_ aspect alone. off-road
> capability. when they water down their name by using it to sell
> soft-roaders they also water down their heritage. it is my belief that if
> they dumped their entire current lineup and sold only two vehicles:
>
> 1- TJ
> 2- XJ
>
> they could sell enough to remain profitable. its this expansion into
> yuppie-ville (commander, compass, patriot, liberty, etc.) that has gotten
> them into trouble.
>
> .....since this will never happen and a parent company is inevitable, id
> like to see ford acquire it. ford has more invested in the original jeep
> heritage than the current day jeep. at least the ford motor company is the
> same company it was back when they were building jeeps. jeep went from
> ****** to kaiser to amc to chrysler and now to who knows.
>
#154
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Re: D-C might become just D and C.
Yep, but as you may have noticed GM is offering a 100k mile warranty. I
think GM is close to turning the corner if they haven't done so already.
Jeff DeWitt
Will Honea wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:42:47 -0500, Tom Greening wrote:
>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>> I wouldn't mind if Ford buys Jeep, then they can use the JK platform for a
>>> real return of the SWB Bronco...
>>>
>>> But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too. Neither one of them is in the
>>> financial position to buy Chrysler, so I take these reports with a liberal
>>> grain of salt.
>>>
>>
>> Not necessarily. It IS possible to take two ailing companies and turn
>> them into one profitable one. That's all GM would need to do is prove
>> that their acquisition of DC would put the resulting company in the
>> black and the banks will go for it.
>>
>> Facility mergers, man power consolidation, product line trimmings and
>> such could conceivably make GM a stronger and profitable entity again.
>> That's not to say it WILL, only that it is possible for a weak company
>> to buy a weak competitor and come out strong in the end.
>
> That's pretty much the way GM came onto being in the first place - buying
> up or merging smaller brands. The DC problem is the product mix - too
> many big boxes - and GM has an image problem. Neither rate well on
> reliability although the DC warranty program helped a lot. Remember when
> no one would even talk about Hyundai? Look what that 10yr/100k warranty
> did for them.
>
think GM is close to turning the corner if they haven't done so already.
Jeff DeWitt
Will Honea wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:42:47 -0500, Tom Greening wrote:
>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>> I wouldn't mind if Ford buys Jeep, then they can use the JK platform for a
>>> real return of the SWB Bronco...
>>>
>>> But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too. Neither one of them is in the
>>> financial position to buy Chrysler, so I take these reports with a liberal
>>> grain of salt.
>>>
>>
>> Not necessarily. It IS possible to take two ailing companies and turn
>> them into one profitable one. That's all GM would need to do is prove
>> that their acquisition of DC would put the resulting company in the
>> black and the banks will go for it.
>>
>> Facility mergers, man power consolidation, product line trimmings and
>> such could conceivably make GM a stronger and profitable entity again.
>> That's not to say it WILL, only that it is possible for a weak company
>> to buy a weak competitor and come out strong in the end.
>
> That's pretty much the way GM came onto being in the first place - buying
> up or merging smaller brands. The DC problem is the product mix - too
> many big boxes - and GM has an image problem. Neither rate well on
> reliability although the DC warranty program helped a lot. Remember when
> no one would even talk about Hyundai? Look what that 10yr/100k warranty
> did for them.
>
#155
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Re: D-C might become just D and C.
Yep, but as you may have noticed GM is offering a 100k mile warranty. I
think GM is close to turning the corner if they haven't done so already.
Jeff DeWitt
Will Honea wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:42:47 -0500, Tom Greening wrote:
>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>> I wouldn't mind if Ford buys Jeep, then they can use the JK platform for a
>>> real return of the SWB Bronco...
>>>
>>> But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too. Neither one of them is in the
>>> financial position to buy Chrysler, so I take these reports with a liberal
>>> grain of salt.
>>>
>>
>> Not necessarily. It IS possible to take two ailing companies and turn
>> them into one profitable one. That's all GM would need to do is prove
>> that their acquisition of DC would put the resulting company in the
>> black and the banks will go for it.
>>
>> Facility mergers, man power consolidation, product line trimmings and
>> such could conceivably make GM a stronger and profitable entity again.
>> That's not to say it WILL, only that it is possible for a weak company
>> to buy a weak competitor and come out strong in the end.
>
> That's pretty much the way GM came onto being in the first place - buying
> up or merging smaller brands. The DC problem is the product mix - too
> many big boxes - and GM has an image problem. Neither rate well on
> reliability although the DC warranty program helped a lot. Remember when
> no one would even talk about Hyundai? Look what that 10yr/100k warranty
> did for them.
>
think GM is close to turning the corner if they haven't done so already.
Jeff DeWitt
Will Honea wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:42:47 -0500, Tom Greening wrote:
>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>> I wouldn't mind if Ford buys Jeep, then they can use the JK platform for a
>>> real return of the SWB Bronco...
>>>
>>> But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too. Neither one of them is in the
>>> financial position to buy Chrysler, so I take these reports with a liberal
>>> grain of salt.
>>>
>>
>> Not necessarily. It IS possible to take two ailing companies and turn
>> them into one profitable one. That's all GM would need to do is prove
>> that their acquisition of DC would put the resulting company in the
>> black and the banks will go for it.
>>
>> Facility mergers, man power consolidation, product line trimmings and
>> such could conceivably make GM a stronger and profitable entity again.
>> That's not to say it WILL, only that it is possible for a weak company
>> to buy a weak competitor and come out strong in the end.
>
> That's pretty much the way GM came onto being in the first place - buying
> up or merging smaller brands. The DC problem is the product mix - too
> many big boxes - and GM has an image problem. Neither rate well on
> reliability although the DC warranty program helped a lot. Remember when
> no one would even talk about Hyundai? Look what that 10yr/100k warranty
> did for them.
>
#156
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: D-C might become just D and C.
Yep, but as you may have noticed GM is offering a 100k mile warranty. I
think GM is close to turning the corner if they haven't done so already.
Jeff DeWitt
Will Honea wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:42:47 -0500, Tom Greening wrote:
>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>> I wouldn't mind if Ford buys Jeep, then they can use the JK platform for a
>>> real return of the SWB Bronco...
>>>
>>> But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too. Neither one of them is in the
>>> financial position to buy Chrysler, so I take these reports with a liberal
>>> grain of salt.
>>>
>>
>> Not necessarily. It IS possible to take two ailing companies and turn
>> them into one profitable one. That's all GM would need to do is prove
>> that their acquisition of DC would put the resulting company in the
>> black and the banks will go for it.
>>
>> Facility mergers, man power consolidation, product line trimmings and
>> such could conceivably make GM a stronger and profitable entity again.
>> That's not to say it WILL, only that it is possible for a weak company
>> to buy a weak competitor and come out strong in the end.
>
> That's pretty much the way GM came onto being in the first place - buying
> up or merging smaller brands. The DC problem is the product mix - too
> many big boxes - and GM has an image problem. Neither rate well on
> reliability although the DC warranty program helped a lot. Remember when
> no one would even talk about Hyundai? Look what that 10yr/100k warranty
> did for them.
>
think GM is close to turning the corner if they haven't done so already.
Jeff DeWitt
Will Honea wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:42:47 -0500, Tom Greening wrote:
>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>> I wouldn't mind if Ford buys Jeep, then they can use the JK platform for a
>>> real return of the SWB Bronco...
>>>
>>> But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too. Neither one of them is in the
>>> financial position to buy Chrysler, so I take these reports with a liberal
>>> grain of salt.
>>>
>>
>> Not necessarily. It IS possible to take two ailing companies and turn
>> them into one profitable one. That's all GM would need to do is prove
>> that their acquisition of DC would put the resulting company in the
>> black and the banks will go for it.
>>
>> Facility mergers, man power consolidation, product line trimmings and
>> such could conceivably make GM a stronger and profitable entity again.
>> That's not to say it WILL, only that it is possible for a weak company
>> to buy a weak competitor and come out strong in the end.
>
> That's pretty much the way GM came onto being in the first place - buying
> up or merging smaller brands. The DC problem is the product mix - too
> many big boxes - and GM has an image problem. Neither rate well on
> reliability although the DC warranty program helped a lot. Remember when
> no one would even talk about Hyundai? Look what that 10yr/100k warranty
> did for them.
>
#157
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: D-C might become just D and C.
Yep, but as you may have noticed GM is offering a 100k mile warranty. I
think GM is close to turning the corner if they haven't done so already.
Jeff DeWitt
Will Honea wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:42:47 -0500, Tom Greening wrote:
>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>> I wouldn't mind if Ford buys Jeep, then they can use the JK platform for a
>>> real return of the SWB Bronco...
>>>
>>> But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too. Neither one of them is in the
>>> financial position to buy Chrysler, so I take these reports with a liberal
>>> grain of salt.
>>>
>>
>> Not necessarily. It IS possible to take two ailing companies and turn
>> them into one profitable one. That's all GM would need to do is prove
>> that their acquisition of DC would put the resulting company in the
>> black and the banks will go for it.
>>
>> Facility mergers, man power consolidation, product line trimmings and
>> such could conceivably make GM a stronger and profitable entity again.
>> That's not to say it WILL, only that it is possible for a weak company
>> to buy a weak competitor and come out strong in the end.
>
> That's pretty much the way GM came onto being in the first place - buying
> up or merging smaller brands. The DC problem is the product mix - too
> many big boxes - and GM has an image problem. Neither rate well on
> reliability although the DC warranty program helped a lot. Remember when
> no one would even talk about Hyundai? Look what that 10yr/100k warranty
> did for them.
>
think GM is close to turning the corner if they haven't done so already.
Jeff DeWitt
Will Honea wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 10:42:47 -0500, Tom Greening wrote:
>
>> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>> I wouldn't mind if Ford buys Jeep, then they can use the JK platform for a
>>> real return of the SWB Bronco...
>>>
>>> But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too. Neither one of them is in the
>>> financial position to buy Chrysler, so I take these reports with a liberal
>>> grain of salt.
>>>
>>
>> Not necessarily. It IS possible to take two ailing companies and turn
>> them into one profitable one. That's all GM would need to do is prove
>> that their acquisition of DC would put the resulting company in the
>> black and the banks will go for it.
>>
>> Facility mergers, man power consolidation, product line trimmings and
>> such could conceivably make GM a stronger and profitable entity again.
>> That's not to say it WILL, only that it is possible for a weak company
>> to buy a weak competitor and come out strong in the end.
>
> That's pretty much the way GM came onto being in the first place - buying
> up or merging smaller brands. The DC problem is the product mix - too
> many big boxes - and GM has an image problem. Neither rate well on
> reliability although the DC warranty program helped a lot. Remember when
> no one would even talk about Hyundai? Look what that 10yr/100k warranty
> did for them.
>
#158
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Re: D-C might become just D and C.
"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:CJKdnQCkYLlGRk7YnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too.
>
> is there any wonder why? i was planning to purchase another 1 ton
> 4x4 dually for a service truck. both the f350 and the comparable
> chevy were over $45,000. absolutely ridiculous. im going to get
> the wifey a new yuppie-ride instead, and just take her '04.5 dodge.
>
If she's learned to stop, look and listen so she doesn't get T-boned again,
this might be alright.
Heh, heh.
Earle
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> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:CJKdnQCkYLlGRk7YnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too.
>
> is there any wonder why? i was planning to purchase another 1 ton
> 4x4 dually for a service truck. both the f350 and the comparable
> chevy were over $45,000. absolutely ridiculous. im going to get
> the wifey a new yuppie-ride instead, and just take her '04.5 dodge.
>
If she's learned to stop, look and listen so she doesn't get T-boned again,
this might be alright.
Heh, heh.
Earle
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Re: D-C might become just D and C.
"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
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> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:CJKdnQCkYLlGRk7YnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too.
>
> is there any wonder why? i was planning to purchase another 1 ton
> 4x4 dually for a service truck. both the f350 and the comparable
> chevy were over $45,000. absolutely ridiculous. im going to get
> the wifey a new yuppie-ride instead, and just take her '04.5 dodge.
>
If she's learned to stop, look and listen so she doesn't get T-boned again,
this might be alright.
Heh, heh.
Earle
news:E6SdnWmhUODqqkjYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@bresnan.com. ..
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:CJKdnQCkYLlGRk7YnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too.
>
> is there any wonder why? i was planning to purchase another 1 ton
> 4x4 dually for a service truck. both the f350 and the comparable
> chevy were over $45,000. absolutely ridiculous. im going to get
> the wifey a new yuppie-ride instead, and just take her '04.5 dodge.
>
If she's learned to stop, look and listen so she doesn't get T-boned again,
this might be alright.
Heh, heh.
Earle
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Re: D-C might become just D and C.
"Nathan In Montana" <MontanaJeeper@aol.com> wrote in message
news:E6SdnWmhUODqqkjYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@bresnan.com. ..
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:CJKdnQCkYLlGRk7YnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too.
>
> is there any wonder why? i was planning to purchase another 1 ton
> 4x4 dually for a service truck. both the f350 and the comparable
> chevy were over $45,000. absolutely ridiculous. im going to get
> the wifey a new yuppie-ride instead, and just take her '04.5 dodge.
>
If she's learned to stop, look and listen so she doesn't get T-boned again,
this might be alright.
Heh, heh.
Earle
news:E6SdnWmhUODqqkjYnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@bresnan.com. ..
> "Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> news:CJKdnQCkYLlGRk7YnZ2dnUVZ_tKjnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> > But Ford is having its own problems. GM, too.
>
> is there any wonder why? i was planning to purchase another 1 ton
> 4x4 dually for a service truck. both the f350 and the comparable
> chevy were over $45,000. absolutely ridiculous. im going to get
> the wifey a new yuppie-ride instead, and just take her '04.5 dodge.
>
If she's learned to stop, look and listen so she doesn't get T-boned again,
this might be alright.
Heh, heh.
Earle