D-C might become just D and C.
#141
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: D-C might become just D and C
snip
It's hard to produce
> a quality/cheap vehicle when a company spends more in wages than they
> receive in profits.
Most (all??) manufacturing companies spend way more on wages than
profits. A typical second tier supplier (one that only makes parts from
OEM prints) in the automotive industry might have wages in the 20%
range, benefits in the 15% range, materials in 30% range, plant,
machines, and other overhead in the 25% range, net profit under 10%.
Note that the cost components of those numbers add to 100%, to make a
profit you need to squeeze something.
>
> I'm not being anti-American here, just stating basic economic fact.
>
> On Feb 16, 12:39 am, "billy ray" <billy_...@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
>>All the good manufacturing jobs are now overseas. Greedy and corrupt union
>>officials ensured that the remaining workers could no longer afford to buy
>>American made products... We will disregard that the American manufacturers
>>designed products to self destruct the day after the warranty expired.
>>
>>We have met the enemy and he is us......
>>
>>"Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>
>>news:mpSdnXAioO7OJEnYnZ2dnUVZ_ragnZ2d@comcast.co m...
>>
>>
>>>What I saw on the network news is that you have to pay U.S. autoworkers
>>>too
>>>much, to be able to make the cars cheaply enough, so that the same U.S.
>>>workers will buy them. I don't get how you can fix this, by having some
>>>other investor buy the company.
>>
>>>Earle
>>
>>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>>news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.c om...
>>>
>>>>Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
>>>
>>>position
>>>
>>>>to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>>
>>>>I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
>>>>manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
>>>
>>>day
>>>
>>>>if it ever happens.
>>
>>>>"Coasty" <uscg_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast. com...
>>>>
>>>>>ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
>>>>>their design facilities.
>>
>>>>>Coasty
>>
>>>>>"Lee Ayrton" <layr...@panix.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2. panix.com...
>>
>>>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1gqnZskmg&refe...
>>
>>>>>>Selected highlights:
>>
>>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
>>>>>>Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
>>>>>>carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
>>>>>>trucks.</q>
>>
>>>>>><q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>>
>>>>>><q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>>
>>>>>><q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
>>>>>>meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>>
>>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
>>>>>>unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
>>>>>>said. </q>
>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
>>>
>>>Jersey,
>>>
>>>>>>that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been
>>>
>>>underestimated."
>>>
>>>>>>Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>
>
>
It's hard to produce
> a quality/cheap vehicle when a company spends more in wages than they
> receive in profits.
Most (all??) manufacturing companies spend way more on wages than
profits. A typical second tier supplier (one that only makes parts from
OEM prints) in the automotive industry might have wages in the 20%
range, benefits in the 15% range, materials in 30% range, plant,
machines, and other overhead in the 25% range, net profit under 10%.
Note that the cost components of those numbers add to 100%, to make a
profit you need to squeeze something.
>
> I'm not being anti-American here, just stating basic economic fact.
>
> On Feb 16, 12:39 am, "billy ray" <billy_...@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
>>All the good manufacturing jobs are now overseas. Greedy and corrupt union
>>officials ensured that the remaining workers could no longer afford to buy
>>American made products... We will disregard that the American manufacturers
>>designed products to self destruct the day after the warranty expired.
>>
>>We have met the enemy and he is us......
>>
>>"Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>>
>>news:mpSdnXAioO7OJEnYnZ2dnUVZ_ragnZ2d@comcast.co m...
>>
>>
>>>What I saw on the network news is that you have to pay U.S. autoworkers
>>>too
>>>much, to be able to make the cars cheaply enough, so that the same U.S.
>>>workers will buy them. I don't get how you can fix this, by having some
>>>other investor buy the company.
>>
>>>Earle
>>
>>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
>>>news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.c om...
>>>
>>>>Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
>>>
>>>position
>>>
>>>>to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>>
>>>>I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
>>>>manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
>>>
>>>day
>>>
>>>>if it ever happens.
>>
>>>>"Coasty" <uscg_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast. com...
>>>>
>>>>>ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
>>>>>their design facilities.
>>
>>>>>Coasty
>>
>>>>>"Lee Ayrton" <layr...@panix.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2. panix.com...
>>
>>>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1gqnZskmg&refe...
>>
>>>>>>Selected highlights:
>>
>>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
>>>>>>Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
>>>>>>carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
>>>>>>trucks.</q>
>>
>>>>>><q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>>
>>>>>><q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>>
>>>>>><q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
>>>>>>meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>>
>>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
>>>>>>unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
>>>>>>said. </q>
>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
>>>
>>>Jersey,
>>>
>>>>>>that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been
>>>
>>>underestimated."
>>>
>>>>>>Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>
>
>
#142
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: D-C might become just D and C
Sorry for the imprecise language, but I think you got the point of
what I was saying.
Americans demand both high wages and low prices - it's hard to
reconcile the two.
On Feb 16, 11:18 am, RoyJ <spaml...@microsoft.net> wrote:
> snip
>
> It's hard to produce
>
> > a quality/cheap vehicle when a company spends more in wages than they
> > receive in profits.
>
> Most (all??) manufacturing companies spend way more on wages than
> profits. A typical second tier supplier (one that only makes parts from
> OEM prints) in the automotive industry might have wages in the 20%
> range, benefits in the 15% range, materials in 30% range, plant,
> machines, and other overhead in the 25% range, net profit under 10%.
> Note that the cost components of those numbers add to 100%, to make a
> profit you need to squeeze something.
>
>
>
> > I'm not being anti-American here, just stating basic economic fact.
>
> > On Feb 16, 12:39 am, "billy ray" <billy_...@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
> >>All the good manufacturing jobs are now overseas. Greedy and corrupt union
> >>officials ensured that the remaining workers could no longer afford to buy
> >>American made products... We will disregard that the American manufacturers
> >>designed products to self destruct the day after the warranty expired.
>
> >>We have met the enemy and he is us......
>
> >>"Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>
> >>news:mpSdnXAioO7OJEnYnZ2dnUVZ_ragnZ2d@comcast.co m...
>
> >>>What I saw on the network news is that you have to pay U.S. autoworkers
> >>>too
> >>>much, to be able to make the cars cheaply enough, so that the same U.S.
> >>>workers will buy them. I don't get how you can fix this, by having some
> >>>other investor buy the company.
>
> >>>Earle
>
> >>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.c om...
>
> >>>>Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
>
> >>>position
>
> >>>>to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>
> >>>>I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
> >>>>manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
>
> >>>day
>
> >>>>if it ever happens.
>
> >>>>"Coasty" <uscg_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast. com...
>
> >>>>>ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
> >>>>>their design facilities.
>
> >>>>>Coasty
>
> >>>>>"Lee Ayrton" <layr...@panix.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2. panix.com...
>
> >>>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1gqnZskmg&refe...
>
> >>>>>>Selected highlights:
>
> >>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
> >>>>>>Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
> >>>>>>carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
> >>>>>>trucks.</q>
>
> >>>>>><q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from
> >>>>>>a
> >>>>>>possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>
> >>>>>><q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>
> >>>>>><q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
> >>>>>>meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>
> >>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler
> >>>>>>to
> >>>>>>the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
> >>>>>>unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
> >>>>>>said. </q>
>
> >>>>>>--
> >>>>>>"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
>
> >>>Jersey,
>
> >>>>>>that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been
>
> >>>underestimated."
>
> >>>>>>Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
what I was saying.
Americans demand both high wages and low prices - it's hard to
reconcile the two.
On Feb 16, 11:18 am, RoyJ <spaml...@microsoft.net> wrote:
> snip
>
> It's hard to produce
>
> > a quality/cheap vehicle when a company spends more in wages than they
> > receive in profits.
>
> Most (all??) manufacturing companies spend way more on wages than
> profits. A typical second tier supplier (one that only makes parts from
> OEM prints) in the automotive industry might have wages in the 20%
> range, benefits in the 15% range, materials in 30% range, plant,
> machines, and other overhead in the 25% range, net profit under 10%.
> Note that the cost components of those numbers add to 100%, to make a
> profit you need to squeeze something.
>
>
>
> > I'm not being anti-American here, just stating basic economic fact.
>
> > On Feb 16, 12:39 am, "billy ray" <billy_...@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
> >>All the good manufacturing jobs are now overseas. Greedy and corrupt union
> >>officials ensured that the remaining workers could no longer afford to buy
> >>American made products... We will disregard that the American manufacturers
> >>designed products to self destruct the day after the warranty expired.
>
> >>We have met the enemy and he is us......
>
> >>"Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>
> >>news:mpSdnXAioO7OJEnYnZ2dnUVZ_ragnZ2d@comcast.co m...
>
> >>>What I saw on the network news is that you have to pay U.S. autoworkers
> >>>too
> >>>much, to be able to make the cars cheaply enough, so that the same U.S.
> >>>workers will buy them. I don't get how you can fix this, by having some
> >>>other investor buy the company.
>
> >>>Earle
>
> >>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.c om...
>
> >>>>Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
>
> >>>position
>
> >>>>to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>
> >>>>I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
> >>>>manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
>
> >>>day
>
> >>>>if it ever happens.
>
> >>>>"Coasty" <uscg_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast. com...
>
> >>>>>ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
> >>>>>their design facilities.
>
> >>>>>Coasty
>
> >>>>>"Lee Ayrton" <layr...@panix.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2. panix.com...
>
> >>>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1gqnZskmg&refe...
>
> >>>>>>Selected highlights:
>
> >>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
> >>>>>>Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
> >>>>>>carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
> >>>>>>trucks.</q>
>
> >>>>>><q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from
> >>>>>>a
> >>>>>>possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>
> >>>>>><q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>
> >>>>>><q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
> >>>>>>meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>
> >>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler
> >>>>>>to
> >>>>>>the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
> >>>>>>unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
> >>>>>>said. </q>
>
> >>>>>>--
> >>>>>>"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
>
> >>>Jersey,
>
> >>>>>>that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been
>
> >>>underestimated."
>
> >>>>>>Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
#143
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: D-C might become just D and C
Sorry for the imprecise language, but I think you got the point of
what I was saying.
Americans demand both high wages and low prices - it's hard to
reconcile the two.
On Feb 16, 11:18 am, RoyJ <spaml...@microsoft.net> wrote:
> snip
>
> It's hard to produce
>
> > a quality/cheap vehicle when a company spends more in wages than they
> > receive in profits.
>
> Most (all??) manufacturing companies spend way more on wages than
> profits. A typical second tier supplier (one that only makes parts from
> OEM prints) in the automotive industry might have wages in the 20%
> range, benefits in the 15% range, materials in 30% range, plant,
> machines, and other overhead in the 25% range, net profit under 10%.
> Note that the cost components of those numbers add to 100%, to make a
> profit you need to squeeze something.
>
>
>
> > I'm not being anti-American here, just stating basic economic fact.
>
> > On Feb 16, 12:39 am, "billy ray" <billy_...@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
> >>All the good manufacturing jobs are now overseas. Greedy and corrupt union
> >>officials ensured that the remaining workers could no longer afford to buy
> >>American made products... We will disregard that the American manufacturers
> >>designed products to self destruct the day after the warranty expired.
>
> >>We have met the enemy and he is us......
>
> >>"Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>
> >>news:mpSdnXAioO7OJEnYnZ2dnUVZ_ragnZ2d@comcast.co m...
>
> >>>What I saw on the network news is that you have to pay U.S. autoworkers
> >>>too
> >>>much, to be able to make the cars cheaply enough, so that the same U.S.
> >>>workers will buy them. I don't get how you can fix this, by having some
> >>>other investor buy the company.
>
> >>>Earle
>
> >>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.c om...
>
> >>>>Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
>
> >>>position
>
> >>>>to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>
> >>>>I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
> >>>>manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
>
> >>>day
>
> >>>>if it ever happens.
>
> >>>>"Coasty" <uscg_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast. com...
>
> >>>>>ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
> >>>>>their design facilities.
>
> >>>>>Coasty
>
> >>>>>"Lee Ayrton" <layr...@panix.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2. panix.com...
>
> >>>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1gqnZskmg&refe...
>
> >>>>>>Selected highlights:
>
> >>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
> >>>>>>Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
> >>>>>>carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
> >>>>>>trucks.</q>
>
> >>>>>><q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from
> >>>>>>a
> >>>>>>possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>
> >>>>>><q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>
> >>>>>><q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
> >>>>>>meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>
> >>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler
> >>>>>>to
> >>>>>>the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
> >>>>>>unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
> >>>>>>said. </q>
>
> >>>>>>--
> >>>>>>"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
>
> >>>Jersey,
>
> >>>>>>that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been
>
> >>>underestimated."
>
> >>>>>>Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
what I was saying.
Americans demand both high wages and low prices - it's hard to
reconcile the two.
On Feb 16, 11:18 am, RoyJ <spaml...@microsoft.net> wrote:
> snip
>
> It's hard to produce
>
> > a quality/cheap vehicle when a company spends more in wages than they
> > receive in profits.
>
> Most (all??) manufacturing companies spend way more on wages than
> profits. A typical second tier supplier (one that only makes parts from
> OEM prints) in the automotive industry might have wages in the 20%
> range, benefits in the 15% range, materials in 30% range, plant,
> machines, and other overhead in the 25% range, net profit under 10%.
> Note that the cost components of those numbers add to 100%, to make a
> profit you need to squeeze something.
>
>
>
> > I'm not being anti-American here, just stating basic economic fact.
>
> > On Feb 16, 12:39 am, "billy ray" <billy_...@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
> >>All the good manufacturing jobs are now overseas. Greedy and corrupt union
> >>officials ensured that the remaining workers could no longer afford to buy
> >>American made products... We will disregard that the American manufacturers
> >>designed products to self destruct the day after the warranty expired.
>
> >>We have met the enemy and he is us......
>
> >>"Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>
> >>news:mpSdnXAioO7OJEnYnZ2dnUVZ_ragnZ2d@comcast.co m...
>
> >>>What I saw on the network news is that you have to pay U.S. autoworkers
> >>>too
> >>>much, to be able to make the cars cheaply enough, so that the same U.S.
> >>>workers will buy them. I don't get how you can fix this, by having some
> >>>other investor buy the company.
>
> >>>Earle
>
> >>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.c om...
>
> >>>>Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
>
> >>>position
>
> >>>>to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>
> >>>>I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
> >>>>manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
>
> >>>day
>
> >>>>if it ever happens.
>
> >>>>"Coasty" <uscg_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast. com...
>
> >>>>>ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
> >>>>>their design facilities.
>
> >>>>>Coasty
>
> >>>>>"Lee Ayrton" <layr...@panix.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2. panix.com...
>
> >>>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1gqnZskmg&refe...
>
> >>>>>>Selected highlights:
>
> >>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
> >>>>>>Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
> >>>>>>carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
> >>>>>>trucks.</q>
>
> >>>>>><q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from
> >>>>>>a
> >>>>>>possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>
> >>>>>><q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>
> >>>>>><q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
> >>>>>>meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>
> >>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler
> >>>>>>to
> >>>>>>the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
> >>>>>>unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
> >>>>>>said. </q>
>
> >>>>>>--
> >>>>>>"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
>
> >>>Jersey,
>
> >>>>>>that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been
>
> >>>underestimated."
>
> >>>>>>Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
#144
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: D-C might become just D and C
Sorry for the imprecise language, but I think you got the point of
what I was saying.
Americans demand both high wages and low prices - it's hard to
reconcile the two.
On Feb 16, 11:18 am, RoyJ <spaml...@microsoft.net> wrote:
> snip
>
> It's hard to produce
>
> > a quality/cheap vehicle when a company spends more in wages than they
> > receive in profits.
>
> Most (all??) manufacturing companies spend way more on wages than
> profits. A typical second tier supplier (one that only makes parts from
> OEM prints) in the automotive industry might have wages in the 20%
> range, benefits in the 15% range, materials in 30% range, plant,
> machines, and other overhead in the 25% range, net profit under 10%.
> Note that the cost components of those numbers add to 100%, to make a
> profit you need to squeeze something.
>
>
>
> > I'm not being anti-American here, just stating basic economic fact.
>
> > On Feb 16, 12:39 am, "billy ray" <billy_...@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
> >>All the good manufacturing jobs are now overseas. Greedy and corrupt union
> >>officials ensured that the remaining workers could no longer afford to buy
> >>American made products... We will disregard that the American manufacturers
> >>designed products to self destruct the day after the warranty expired.
>
> >>We have met the enemy and he is us......
>
> >>"Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>
> >>news:mpSdnXAioO7OJEnYnZ2dnUVZ_ragnZ2d@comcast.co m...
>
> >>>What I saw on the network news is that you have to pay U.S. autoworkers
> >>>too
> >>>much, to be able to make the cars cheaply enough, so that the same U.S.
> >>>workers will buy them. I don't get how you can fix this, by having some
> >>>other investor buy the company.
>
> >>>Earle
>
> >>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.c om...
>
> >>>>Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
>
> >>>position
>
> >>>>to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>
> >>>>I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
> >>>>manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
>
> >>>day
>
> >>>>if it ever happens.
>
> >>>>"Coasty" <uscg_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast. com...
>
> >>>>>ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
> >>>>>their design facilities.
>
> >>>>>Coasty
>
> >>>>>"Lee Ayrton" <layr...@panix.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2. panix.com...
>
> >>>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1gqnZskmg&refe...
>
> >>>>>>Selected highlights:
>
> >>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
> >>>>>>Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
> >>>>>>carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
> >>>>>>trucks.</q>
>
> >>>>>><q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from
> >>>>>>a
> >>>>>>possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>
> >>>>>><q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>
> >>>>>><q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
> >>>>>>meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>
> >>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler
> >>>>>>to
> >>>>>>the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
> >>>>>>unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
> >>>>>>said. </q>
>
> >>>>>>--
> >>>>>>"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
>
> >>>Jersey,
>
> >>>>>>that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been
>
> >>>underestimated."
>
> >>>>>>Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
what I was saying.
Americans demand both high wages and low prices - it's hard to
reconcile the two.
On Feb 16, 11:18 am, RoyJ <spaml...@microsoft.net> wrote:
> snip
>
> It's hard to produce
>
> > a quality/cheap vehicle when a company spends more in wages than they
> > receive in profits.
>
> Most (all??) manufacturing companies spend way more on wages than
> profits. A typical second tier supplier (one that only makes parts from
> OEM prints) in the automotive industry might have wages in the 20%
> range, benefits in the 15% range, materials in 30% range, plant,
> machines, and other overhead in the 25% range, net profit under 10%.
> Note that the cost components of those numbers add to 100%, to make a
> profit you need to squeeze something.
>
>
>
> > I'm not being anti-American here, just stating basic economic fact.
>
> > On Feb 16, 12:39 am, "billy ray" <billy_...@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
> >>All the good manufacturing jobs are now overseas. Greedy and corrupt union
> >>officials ensured that the remaining workers could no longer afford to buy
> >>American made products... We will disregard that the American manufacturers
> >>designed products to self destruct the day after the warranty expired.
>
> >>We have met the enemy and he is us......
>
> >>"Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>
> >>news:mpSdnXAioO7OJEnYnZ2dnUVZ_ragnZ2d@comcast.co m...
>
> >>>What I saw on the network news is that you have to pay U.S. autoworkers
> >>>too
> >>>much, to be able to make the cars cheaply enough, so that the same U.S.
> >>>workers will buy them. I don't get how you can fix this, by having some
> >>>other investor buy the company.
>
> >>>Earle
>
> >>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.c om...
>
> >>>>Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
>
> >>>position
>
> >>>>to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>
> >>>>I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
> >>>>manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
>
> >>>day
>
> >>>>if it ever happens.
>
> >>>>"Coasty" <uscg_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast. com...
>
> >>>>>ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
> >>>>>their design facilities.
>
> >>>>>Coasty
>
> >>>>>"Lee Ayrton" <layr...@panix.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2. panix.com...
>
> >>>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1gqnZskmg&refe...
>
> >>>>>>Selected highlights:
>
> >>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
> >>>>>>Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
> >>>>>>carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
> >>>>>>trucks.</q>
>
> >>>>>><q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from
> >>>>>>a
> >>>>>>possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>
> >>>>>><q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>
> >>>>>><q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
> >>>>>>meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>
> >>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler
> >>>>>>to
> >>>>>>the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
> >>>>>>unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
> >>>>>>said. </q>
>
> >>>>>>--
> >>>>>>"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
>
> >>>Jersey,
>
> >>>>>>that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been
>
> >>>underestimated."
>
> >>>>>>Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
#145
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: D-C might become just D and C
Sorry for the imprecise language, but I think you got the point of
what I was saying.
Americans demand both high wages and low prices - it's hard to
reconcile the two.
On Feb 16, 11:18 am, RoyJ <spaml...@microsoft.net> wrote:
> snip
>
> It's hard to produce
>
> > a quality/cheap vehicle when a company spends more in wages than they
> > receive in profits.
>
> Most (all??) manufacturing companies spend way more on wages than
> profits. A typical second tier supplier (one that only makes parts from
> OEM prints) in the automotive industry might have wages in the 20%
> range, benefits in the 15% range, materials in 30% range, plant,
> machines, and other overhead in the 25% range, net profit under 10%.
> Note that the cost components of those numbers add to 100%, to make a
> profit you need to squeeze something.
>
>
>
> > I'm not being anti-American here, just stating basic economic fact.
>
> > On Feb 16, 12:39 am, "billy ray" <billy_...@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
> >>All the good manufacturing jobs are now overseas. Greedy and corrupt union
> >>officials ensured that the remaining workers could no longer afford to buy
> >>American made products... We will disregard that the American manufacturers
> >>designed products to self destruct the day after the warranty expired.
>
> >>We have met the enemy and he is us......
>
> >>"Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>
> >>news:mpSdnXAioO7OJEnYnZ2dnUVZ_ragnZ2d@comcast.co m...
>
> >>>What I saw on the network news is that you have to pay U.S. autoworkers
> >>>too
> >>>much, to be able to make the cars cheaply enough, so that the same U.S.
> >>>workers will buy them. I don't get how you can fix this, by having some
> >>>other investor buy the company.
>
> >>>Earle
>
> >>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.c om...
>
> >>>>Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
>
> >>>position
>
> >>>>to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>
> >>>>I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
> >>>>manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
>
> >>>day
>
> >>>>if it ever happens.
>
> >>>>"Coasty" <uscg_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast. com...
>
> >>>>>ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
> >>>>>their design facilities.
>
> >>>>>Coasty
>
> >>>>>"Lee Ayrton" <layr...@panix.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2. panix.com...
>
> >>>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1gqnZskmg&refe...
>
> >>>>>>Selected highlights:
>
> >>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
> >>>>>>Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
> >>>>>>carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
> >>>>>>trucks.</q>
>
> >>>>>><q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from
> >>>>>>a
> >>>>>>possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>
> >>>>>><q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>
> >>>>>><q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
> >>>>>>meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>
> >>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler
> >>>>>>to
> >>>>>>the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
> >>>>>>unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
> >>>>>>said. </q>
>
> >>>>>>--
> >>>>>>"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
>
> >>>Jersey,
>
> >>>>>>that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been
>
> >>>underestimated."
>
> >>>>>>Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
what I was saying.
Americans demand both high wages and low prices - it's hard to
reconcile the two.
On Feb 16, 11:18 am, RoyJ <spaml...@microsoft.net> wrote:
> snip
>
> It's hard to produce
>
> > a quality/cheap vehicle when a company spends more in wages than they
> > receive in profits.
>
> Most (all??) manufacturing companies spend way more on wages than
> profits. A typical second tier supplier (one that only makes parts from
> OEM prints) in the automotive industry might have wages in the 20%
> range, benefits in the 15% range, materials in 30% range, plant,
> machines, and other overhead in the 25% range, net profit under 10%.
> Note that the cost components of those numbers add to 100%, to make a
> profit you need to squeeze something.
>
>
>
> > I'm not being anti-American here, just stating basic economic fact.
>
> > On Feb 16, 12:39 am, "billy ray" <billy_...@SPAMfuse.net> wrote:
>
> >>All the good manufacturing jobs are now overseas. Greedy and corrupt union
> >>officials ensured that the remaining workers could no longer afford to buy
> >>American made products... We will disregard that the American manufacturers
> >>designed products to self destruct the day after the warranty expired.
>
> >>We have met the enemy and he is us......
>
> >>"Earle Horton" <a...@gracioso.usa> wrote in message
>
> >>news:mpSdnXAioO7OJEnYnZ2dnUVZ_ragnZ2d@comcast.co m...
>
> >>>What I saw on the network news is that you have to pay U.S. autoworkers
> >>>too
> >>>much, to be able to make the cars cheaply enough, so that the same U.S.
> >>>workers will buy them. I don't get how you can fix this, by having some
> >>>other investor buy the company.
>
> >>>Earle
>
> >>>"Matt Macchiarolo" <m...@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:F8mdnQADcf3JOknYnZ2dnUVZ_uejnZ2d@comcast.c om...
>
> >>>>Nope, probably won't happen. Neither GM nor Ford is in a financial
>
> >>>position
>
> >>>>to acquire Chrysler, even though it's a good deal right now.
>
> >>>>I'd guess if D-C sold off Chrysler, it might be purchased by a Chinese
> >>>>manufacturer to get a boost in American market share. That will be a sad
>
> >>>day
>
> >>>>if it ever happens.
>
> >>>>"Coasty" <uscg_...@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>>>news:B6GdnUTKTO0xq0nYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@comcast. com...
>
> >>>>>ABC this morning said GM is look into acquiring Chrysler and combining
> >>>>>their design facilities.
>
> >>>>>Coasty
>
> >>>>>"Lee Ayrton" <layr...@panix.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:Pine.NEB.4.64.0702141652560.2921@panix2. panix.com...
>
> >>>http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1gqnZskmg&refe...
>
> >>>>>>Selected highlights:
>
> >>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler AG may sell or seek partners for its unprofitable
> >>>>>>Chrysler division, abandoning its vision of building a successful
> >>>>>>carmaker that sold luxury Mercedes-Benz sedans as well as Dodge pickup
> >>>>>>trucks.</q>
>
> >>>>>><q>``We want to ensure that the core of Daimler can be protected from
> >>>>>>a
> >>>>>>possible financial downwards spiral at Chrysler,'</q>
>
> >>>>>><q> Renault and Nissan may be a possible partner for Chrysler, </q>
>
> >>>>>><q> Former Chief Executive Schrempp was heckled at most of the annual
> >>>>>>meetings by investors who demanded he sell the division.</q>
>
> >>>>>><q> DaimlerChrysler is in talks with General Motors to sell Chrysler
> >>>>>>to
> >>>>>>the world's largest carmaker, Manager Magazine reported, citing
> >>>>>>unidentified company sources. The talks are at ``an early stage,'' it
> >>>>>>said. </q>
>
> >>>>>>--
> >>>>>>"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New
>
> >>>Jersey,
>
> >>>>>>that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been
>
> >>>underestimated."
>
> >>>>>>Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
#146
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: D-C might become just D and C.
Matt,
A Jeep by Microsoft would refuse to work after you had changed any tyres
or any ancilliaries on the grounds that it wasn't the same car that you
initially registered with them. After 2 oil changes, it would refuse to work
as you had serviced it too many times. It would claim that it worked ok on
8" wheels, but that 18" wheels were better. Other people would be able to
easily hack into your alarm system and lock you out for good. The engine
would stop while you were driving it as it had downloaded an update from the
last petrol station unbeknownst to you. It would take 10 minutes to switch
off and 20 minutes to start. Your radio would introduce static as you
couldn't prove you were NOT violating Digital Rights Management by listening
to it. Your Sat Nav would ask "where do you want to go today" in an annoying
voice and then take you were it wanted to go. And so on, and so forth !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ, '91 Grand Wagoneer, mumble LandRover Discovery 2 ES mumble.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:U8udnb2gA6TRRk7YnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Imagine Jeep by Microsoft! I shudder at the thought...you'd have to reboot
> the ECM every other day.
>
>
A Jeep by Microsoft would refuse to work after you had changed any tyres
or any ancilliaries on the grounds that it wasn't the same car that you
initially registered with them. After 2 oil changes, it would refuse to work
as you had serviced it too many times. It would claim that it worked ok on
8" wheels, but that 18" wheels were better. Other people would be able to
easily hack into your alarm system and lock you out for good. The engine
would stop while you were driving it as it had downloaded an update from the
last petrol station unbeknownst to you. It would take 10 minutes to switch
off and 20 minutes to start. Your radio would introduce static as you
couldn't prove you were NOT violating Digital Rights Management by listening
to it. Your Sat Nav would ask "where do you want to go today" in an annoying
voice and then take you were it wanted to go. And so on, and so forth !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ, '91 Grand Wagoneer, mumble LandRover Discovery 2 ES mumble.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:U8udnb2gA6TRRk7YnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Imagine Jeep by Microsoft! I shudder at the thought...you'd have to reboot
> the ECM every other day.
>
>
#147
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: D-C might become just D and C.
Matt,
A Jeep by Microsoft would refuse to work after you had changed any tyres
or any ancilliaries on the grounds that it wasn't the same car that you
initially registered with them. After 2 oil changes, it would refuse to work
as you had serviced it too many times. It would claim that it worked ok on
8" wheels, but that 18" wheels were better. Other people would be able to
easily hack into your alarm system and lock you out for good. The engine
would stop while you were driving it as it had downloaded an update from the
last petrol station unbeknownst to you. It would take 10 minutes to switch
off and 20 minutes to start. Your radio would introduce static as you
couldn't prove you were NOT violating Digital Rights Management by listening
to it. Your Sat Nav would ask "where do you want to go today" in an annoying
voice and then take you were it wanted to go. And so on, and so forth !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ, '91 Grand Wagoneer, mumble LandRover Discovery 2 ES mumble.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:U8udnb2gA6TRRk7YnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Imagine Jeep by Microsoft! I shudder at the thought...you'd have to reboot
> the ECM every other day.
>
>
A Jeep by Microsoft would refuse to work after you had changed any tyres
or any ancilliaries on the grounds that it wasn't the same car that you
initially registered with them. After 2 oil changes, it would refuse to work
as you had serviced it too many times. It would claim that it worked ok on
8" wheels, but that 18" wheels were better. Other people would be able to
easily hack into your alarm system and lock you out for good. The engine
would stop while you were driving it as it had downloaded an update from the
last petrol station unbeknownst to you. It would take 10 minutes to switch
off and 20 minutes to start. Your radio would introduce static as you
couldn't prove you were NOT violating Digital Rights Management by listening
to it. Your Sat Nav would ask "where do you want to go today" in an annoying
voice and then take you were it wanted to go. And so on, and so forth !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ, '91 Grand Wagoneer, mumble LandRover Discovery 2 ES mumble.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:U8udnb2gA6TRRk7YnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Imagine Jeep by Microsoft! I shudder at the thought...you'd have to reboot
> the ECM every other day.
>
>
#148
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: D-C might become just D and C.
Matt,
A Jeep by Microsoft would refuse to work after you had changed any tyres
or any ancilliaries on the grounds that it wasn't the same car that you
initially registered with them. After 2 oil changes, it would refuse to work
as you had serviced it too many times. It would claim that it worked ok on
8" wheels, but that 18" wheels were better. Other people would be able to
easily hack into your alarm system and lock you out for good. The engine
would stop while you were driving it as it had downloaded an update from the
last petrol station unbeknownst to you. It would take 10 minutes to switch
off and 20 minutes to start. Your radio would introduce static as you
couldn't prove you were NOT violating Digital Rights Management by listening
to it. Your Sat Nav would ask "where do you want to go today" in an annoying
voice and then take you were it wanted to go. And so on, and so forth !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ, '91 Grand Wagoneer, mumble LandRover Discovery 2 ES mumble.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:U8udnb2gA6TRRk7YnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Imagine Jeep by Microsoft! I shudder at the thought...you'd have to reboot
> the ECM every other day.
>
>
A Jeep by Microsoft would refuse to work after you had changed any tyres
or any ancilliaries on the grounds that it wasn't the same car that you
initially registered with them. After 2 oil changes, it would refuse to work
as you had serviced it too many times. It would claim that it worked ok on
8" wheels, but that 18" wheels were better. Other people would be able to
easily hack into your alarm system and lock you out for good. The engine
would stop while you were driving it as it had downloaded an update from the
last petrol station unbeknownst to you. It would take 10 minutes to switch
off and 20 minutes to start. Your radio would introduce static as you
couldn't prove you were NOT violating Digital Rights Management by listening
to it. Your Sat Nav would ask "where do you want to go today" in an annoying
voice and then take you were it wanted to go. And so on, and so forth !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ, '91 Grand Wagoneer, mumble LandRover Discovery 2 ES mumble.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:U8udnb2gA6TRRk7YnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Imagine Jeep by Microsoft! I shudder at the thought...you'd have to reboot
> the ECM every other day.
>
>
#149
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: D-C might become just D and C.
Matt,
A Jeep by Microsoft would refuse to work after you had changed any tyres
or any ancilliaries on the grounds that it wasn't the same car that you
initially registered with them. After 2 oil changes, it would refuse to work
as you had serviced it too many times. It would claim that it worked ok on
8" wheels, but that 18" wheels were better. Other people would be able to
easily hack into your alarm system and lock you out for good. The engine
would stop while you were driving it as it had downloaded an update from the
last petrol station unbeknownst to you. It would take 10 minutes to switch
off and 20 minutes to start. Your radio would introduce static as you
couldn't prove you were NOT violating Digital Rights Management by listening
to it. Your Sat Nav would ask "where do you want to go today" in an annoying
voice and then take you were it wanted to go. And so on, and so forth !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ, '91 Grand Wagoneer, mumble LandRover Discovery 2 ES mumble.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:U8udnb2gA6TRRk7YnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Imagine Jeep by Microsoft! I shudder at the thought...you'd have to reboot
> the ECM every other day.
>
>
A Jeep by Microsoft would refuse to work after you had changed any tyres
or any ancilliaries on the grounds that it wasn't the same car that you
initially registered with them. After 2 oil changes, it would refuse to work
as you had serviced it too many times. It would claim that it worked ok on
8" wheels, but that 18" wheels were better. Other people would be able to
easily hack into your alarm system and lock you out for good. The engine
would stop while you were driving it as it had downloaded an update from the
last petrol station unbeknownst to you. It would take 10 minutes to switch
off and 20 minutes to start. Your radio would introduce static as you
couldn't prove you were NOT violating Digital Rights Management by listening
to it. Your Sat Nav would ask "where do you want to go today" in an annoying
voice and then take you were it wanted to go. And so on, and so forth !
Dave Milne, Scotland
'99 TJ, '91 Grand Wagoneer, mumble LandRover Discovery 2 ES mumble.
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:U8udnb2gA6TRRk7YnZ2dnUVZ_tmknZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Imagine Jeep by Microsoft! I shudder at the thought...you'd have to reboot
> the ECM every other day.
>
>
#150
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: D-C might become just D and C.
I agree, but they should also consider a smaller vehicle more like the
original Jeep, a simple, basic, relatively inexpensive go anywhere
little Jeep ... and ALL Jeeps should be able to do the Rubicon.
Jeff DeWitt
Nathan In Montana wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:45d3d301$0$4847$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> For Jeep to be a successful company all on it's own I think it would
>> either need someone or a small group of people with very deep pockets.
>
> it is my belief that for jeep to ever be a successful, stand-alone company
> they must do two things:
>
> 1- downsize
> 2- return to their roots
>
> lets face it, jeep heritage is built on _one_ aspect alone. off-road
> capability. when they water down their name by using it to sell
> soft-roaders they also water down their heritage. it is my belief that if
> they dumped their entire current lineup and sold only two vehicles:
>
> 1- TJ
> 2- XJ
>
> they could sell enough to remain profitable. its this expansion into
> yuppie-ville (commander, compass, patriot, liberty, etc.) that has gotten
> them into trouble.
>
> .....since this will never happen and a parent company is inevitable, id
> like to see ford acquire it. ford has more invested in the original jeep
> heritage than the current day jeep. at least the ford motor company is the
> same company it was back when they were building jeeps. jeep went from
> ****** to kaiser to amc to chrysler and now to who knows.
>
original Jeep, a simple, basic, relatively inexpensive go anywhere
little Jeep ... and ALL Jeeps should be able to do the Rubicon.
Jeff DeWitt
Nathan In Montana wrote:
> "Jeff DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:45d3d301$0$4847$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> For Jeep to be a successful company all on it's own I think it would
>> either need someone or a small group of people with very deep pockets.
>
> it is my belief that for jeep to ever be a successful, stand-alone company
> they must do two things:
>
> 1- downsize
> 2- return to their roots
>
> lets face it, jeep heritage is built on _one_ aspect alone. off-road
> capability. when they water down their name by using it to sell
> soft-roaders they also water down their heritage. it is my belief that if
> they dumped their entire current lineup and sold only two vehicles:
>
> 1- TJ
> 2- XJ
>
> they could sell enough to remain profitable. its this expansion into
> yuppie-ville (commander, compass, patriot, liberty, etc.) that has gotten
> them into trouble.
>
> .....since this will never happen and a parent company is inevitable, id
> like to see ford acquire it. ford has more invested in the original jeep
> heritage than the current day jeep. at least the ford motor company is the
> same company it was back when they were building jeeps. jeep went from
> ****** to kaiser to amc to chrysler and now to who knows.
>