Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
02-29-2004, 11:17 PM
#21
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
Ford was simply suggesting an appropriate air-down pressure for moderate
rock crawling... as Explorer drivers are prone to do.
-Brian
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
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: Yes, the twenty four pounds as written on the door jamb for a
: better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
: Firestone.
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:
: Matt Osborn wrote:
: >
: > I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
: > air pressure Ford specified.
rock crawling... as Explorer drivers are prone to do.
-Brian
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4042B61B.9A560C6@***.net...
: Yes, the twenty four pounds as written on the door jamb for a
: better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
: Firestone.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Matt Osborn wrote:
: >
: > I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
: > air pressure Ford specified.
02-29-2004, 11:17 PM
#22
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
Ford was simply suggesting an appropriate air-down pressure for moderate
rock crawling... as Explorer drivers are prone to do.
-Brian
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4042B61B.9A560C6@***.net...
: Yes, the twenty four pounds as written on the door jamb for a
: better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
: Firestone.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Matt Osborn wrote:
: >
: > I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
: > air pressure Ford specified.
rock crawling... as Explorer drivers are prone to do.
-Brian
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:4042B61B.9A560C6@***.net...
: Yes, the twenty four pounds as written on the door jamb for a
: better ride did contribute, and is the reason Ford is a codefendant with
: Firestone.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Matt Osborn wrote:
: >
: > I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
: > air pressure Ford specified.
02-29-2004, 11:17 PM
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
In <40429C67.DF8BE2F7@***.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
> know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
> separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
> before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
> Explorer passengers.
I can only think of a couple times that we had defective Goodyears *that
we sold* come back in the time that I was working there, one of which I
suspected was run low. There were definitely problems with the tires
that Goodyear sold to the OEMs, like the Wrangler RT/S and other light
duty lines that were probably fine on paved roads but didn't hold up at
all on the Cordova roads. Those lower quality Goodyears definitely made
it harder for us to sell the good stuff to the average customer who had
to be educated on the difference. We sold mostly the higher end,
heavier load range light truck tires and usually whatever their middle
line was for passenger cars. It was definitely more difficult to
compete with the lower cost brands that way, but the people who did buy
a set from us were generally satisfied. We normally didn't see them in
the shop again until it was time to sell them a new set a few years
later. As opposed to the more regular customers with uniroyal/firestone/
whatever who were in more frequently for yet another patch, but those
guys usually figured it out eventually, too.
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> It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
> know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
> separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
> before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
> Explorer passengers.
I can only think of a couple times that we had defective Goodyears *that
we sold* come back in the time that I was working there, one of which I
suspected was run low. There were definitely problems with the tires
that Goodyear sold to the OEMs, like the Wrangler RT/S and other light
duty lines that were probably fine on paved roads but didn't hold up at
all on the Cordova roads. Those lower quality Goodyears definitely made
it harder for us to sell the good stuff to the average customer who had
to be educated on the difference. We sold mostly the higher end,
heavier load range light truck tires and usually whatever their middle
line was for passenger cars. It was definitely more difficult to
compete with the lower cost brands that way, but the people who did buy
a set from us were generally satisfied. We normally didn't see them in
the shop again until it was time to sell them a new set a few years
later. As opposed to the more regular customers with uniroyal/firestone/
whatever who were in more frequently for yet another patch, but those
guys usually figured it out eventually, too.
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02-29-2004, 11:17 PM
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
In <40429C67.DF8BE2F7@***.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
> know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
> separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
> before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
> Explorer passengers.
I can only think of a couple times that we had defective Goodyears *that
we sold* come back in the time that I was working there, one of which I
suspected was run low. There were definitely problems with the tires
that Goodyear sold to the OEMs, like the Wrangler RT/S and other light
duty lines that were probably fine on paved roads but didn't hold up at
all on the Cordova roads. Those lower quality Goodyears definitely made
it harder for us to sell the good stuff to the average customer who had
to be educated on the difference. We sold mostly the higher end,
heavier load range light truck tires and usually whatever their middle
line was for passenger cars. It was definitely more difficult to
compete with the lower cost brands that way, but the people who did buy
a set from us were generally satisfied. We normally didn't see them in
the shop again until it was time to sell them a new set a few years
later. As opposed to the more regular customers with uniroyal/firestone/
whatever who were in more frequently for yet another patch, but those
guys usually figured it out eventually, too.
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> It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
> know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
> separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
> before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
> Explorer passengers.
I can only think of a couple times that we had defective Goodyears *that
we sold* come back in the time that I was working there, one of which I
suspected was run low. There were definitely problems with the tires
that Goodyear sold to the OEMs, like the Wrangler RT/S and other light
duty lines that were probably fine on paved roads but didn't hold up at
all on the Cordova roads. Those lower quality Goodyears definitely made
it harder for us to sell the good stuff to the average customer who had
to be educated on the difference. We sold mostly the higher end,
heavier load range light truck tires and usually whatever their middle
line was for passenger cars. It was definitely more difficult to
compete with the lower cost brands that way, but the people who did buy
a set from us were generally satisfied. We normally didn't see them in
the shop again until it was time to sell them a new set a few years
later. As opposed to the more regular customers with uniroyal/firestone/
whatever who were in more frequently for yet another patch, but those
guys usually figured it out eventually, too.
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02-29-2004, 11:17 PM
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
In <40429C67.DF8BE2F7@***.net> L.W.(ßill) ------ III wrote:
> It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
> know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
> separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
> before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
> Explorer passengers.
I can only think of a couple times that we had defective Goodyears *that
we sold* come back in the time that I was working there, one of which I
suspected was run low. There were definitely problems with the tires
that Goodyear sold to the OEMs, like the Wrangler RT/S and other light
duty lines that were probably fine on paved roads but didn't hold up at
all on the Cordova roads. Those lower quality Goodyears definitely made
it harder for us to sell the good stuff to the average customer who had
to be educated on the difference. We sold mostly the higher end,
heavier load range light truck tires and usually whatever their middle
line was for passenger cars. It was definitely more difficult to
compete with the lower cost brands that way, but the people who did buy
a set from us were generally satisfied. We normally didn't see them in
the shop again until it was time to sell them a new set a few years
later. As opposed to the more regular customers with uniroyal/firestone/
whatever who were in more frequently for yet another patch, but those
guys usually figured it out eventually, too.
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> It didn't use to be that way while it was an American company. I
> know you've adjusted many Goodyears, as I've had many the theirs tread
> separate, just that I took them off when I felt them go out of round,
> before the rolled off like the Firestones that killed the top heave
> Explorer passengers.
I can only think of a couple times that we had defective Goodyears *that
we sold* come back in the time that I was working there, one of which I
suspected was run low. There were definitely problems with the tires
that Goodyear sold to the OEMs, like the Wrangler RT/S and other light
duty lines that were probably fine on paved roads but didn't hold up at
all on the Cordova roads. Those lower quality Goodyears definitely made
it harder for us to sell the good stuff to the average customer who had
to be educated on the difference. We sold mostly the higher end,
heavier load range light truck tires and usually whatever their middle
line was for passenger cars. It was definitely more difficult to
compete with the lower cost brands that way, but the people who did buy
a set from us were generally satisfied. We normally didn't see them in
the shop again until it was time to sell them a new set a few years
later. As opposed to the more regular customers with uniroyal/firestone/
whatever who were in more frequently for yet another patch, but those
guys usually figured it out eventually, too.
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02-29-2004, 11:26 PM
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
In <beb540prgbn2gn3mmfnfb1evp09jcfs6n9@4ax.com> Matt Osborn wrote:
> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.
Ford definitely proliferated the problem by using a POS tire and their
air pressure spec didn't help anything, but it also doesn't change the
fact that the Firestone in question is crap, no matter what vehicle it
is installed on. There is no strength to them whatsoever; they puncture
easily, and there is no built in margin of safety in case they are run
flat/low by the average motorist, who has no clue how much pressure they
are running irrespective of what the little tag in the doorjamb may say.
It is my personal opinion that installing passenger car rated tires (
which the firestones are/were) on a light truck should be a criminal
offense.
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> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.
Ford definitely proliferated the problem by using a POS tire and their
air pressure spec didn't help anything, but it also doesn't change the
fact that the Firestone in question is crap, no matter what vehicle it
is installed on. There is no strength to them whatsoever; they puncture
easily, and there is no built in margin of safety in case they are run
flat/low by the average motorist, who has no clue how much pressure they
are running irrespective of what the little tag in the doorjamb may say.
It is my personal opinion that installing passenger car rated tires (
which the firestones are/were) on a light truck should be a criminal
offense.
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02-29-2004, 11:26 PM
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
In <beb540prgbn2gn3mmfnfb1evp09jcfs6n9@4ax.com> Matt Osborn wrote:
> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.
Ford definitely proliferated the problem by using a POS tire and their
air pressure spec didn't help anything, but it also doesn't change the
fact that the Firestone in question is crap, no matter what vehicle it
is installed on. There is no strength to them whatsoever; they puncture
easily, and there is no built in margin of safety in case they are run
flat/low by the average motorist, who has no clue how much pressure they
are running irrespective of what the little tag in the doorjamb may say.
It is my personal opinion that installing passenger car rated tires (
which the firestones are/were) on a light truck should be a criminal
offense.
----------------------------------------------------
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> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.
Ford definitely proliferated the problem by using a POS tire and their
air pressure spec didn't help anything, but it also doesn't change the
fact that the Firestone in question is crap, no matter what vehicle it
is installed on. There is no strength to them whatsoever; they puncture
easily, and there is no built in margin of safety in case they are run
flat/low by the average motorist, who has no clue how much pressure they
are running irrespective of what the little tag in the doorjamb may say.
It is my personal opinion that installing passenger car rated tires (
which the firestones are/were) on a light truck should be a criminal
offense.
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02-29-2004, 11:26 PM
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
In <beb540prgbn2gn3mmfnfb1evp09jcfs6n9@4ax.com> Matt Osborn wrote:
> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.
Ford definitely proliferated the problem by using a POS tire and their
air pressure spec didn't help anything, but it also doesn't change the
fact that the Firestone in question is crap, no matter what vehicle it
is installed on. There is no strength to them whatsoever; they puncture
easily, and there is no built in margin of safety in case they are run
flat/low by the average motorist, who has no clue how much pressure they
are running irrespective of what the little tag in the doorjamb may say.
It is my personal opinion that installing passenger car rated tires (
which the firestones are/were) on a light truck should be a criminal
offense.
----------------------------------------------------
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> I understood that design to be a Ford problem, exacerbated by the low
> air pressure Ford specified.
Ford definitely proliferated the problem by using a POS tire and their
air pressure spec didn't help anything, but it also doesn't change the
fact that the Firestone in question is crap, no matter what vehicle it
is installed on. There is no strength to them whatsoever; they puncture
easily, and there is no built in margin of safety in case they are run
flat/low by the average motorist, who has no clue how much pressure they
are running irrespective of what the little tag in the doorjamb may say.
It is my personal opinion that installing passenger car rated tires (
which the firestones are/were) on a light truck should be a criminal
offense.
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02-29-2004, 11:27 PM
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
Good tire, great value. They are long lasting and I have yet to encounter a
shifted belt even after sitting flat and frozen for a few months.
-Brian
"Monte Castleman" <qmdcastleman@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:84v0c.27330$hm4.12270@newsread3.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
: My stepfather finally decided to junk the Jimmy that his daughter rear
: ended someone with a year ago, and offered me the tires (with about
: 3-4/5th the tread left), so my only cost would be to have them
: remounted.
:
: I currently drive Firestone Wilderness ATs. I don't plan to go nuts
: off-roading, but I do drive through a lot of midwestern weather. Are
: these Coopers any good, or are they worth what I'd pay for them. Would
: being on a non-operation vehicle for a year have hurt them (the truck
: wasn't moved, but they weren't deflated)?
: --
:
: Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
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shifted belt even after sitting flat and frozen for a few months.
-Brian
"Monte Castleman" <qmdcastleman@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:84v0c.27330$hm4.12270@newsread3.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
: My stepfather finally decided to junk the Jimmy that his daughter rear
: ended someone with a year ago, and offered me the tires (with about
: 3-4/5th the tread left), so my only cost would be to have them
: remounted.
:
: I currently drive Firestone Wilderness ATs. I don't plan to go nuts
: off-roading, but I do drive through a lot of midwestern weather. Are
: these Coopers any good, or are they worth what I'd pay for them. Would
: being on a non-operation vehicle for a year have hurt them (the truck
: wasn't moved, but they weren't deflated)?
: --
:
: Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
: Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
:
02-29-2004, 11:27 PM
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Re: Cooper Discovery AT tires any good?
Good tire, great value. They are long lasting and I have yet to encounter a
shifted belt even after sitting flat and frozen for a few months.
-Brian
"Monte Castleman" <qmdcastleman@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:84v0c.27330$hm4.12270@newsread3.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
: My stepfather finally decided to junk the Jimmy that his daughter rear
: ended someone with a year ago, and offered me the tires (with about
: 3-4/5th the tread left), so my only cost would be to have them
: remounted.
:
: I currently drive Firestone Wilderness ATs. I don't plan to go nuts
: off-roading, but I do drive through a lot of midwestern weather. Are
: these Coopers any good, or are they worth what I'd pay for them. Would
: being on a non-operation vehicle for a year have hurt them (the truck
: wasn't moved, but they weren't deflated)?
: --
:
: Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
: Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
:
shifted belt even after sitting flat and frozen for a few months.
-Brian
"Monte Castleman" <qmdcastleman@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:84v0c.27330$hm4.12270@newsread3.news.atl.eart hlink.net...
: My stepfather finally decided to junk the Jimmy that his daughter rear
: ended someone with a year ago, and offered me the tires (with about
: 3-4/5th the tread left), so my only cost would be to have them
: remounted.
:
: I currently drive Firestone Wilderness ATs. I don't plan to go nuts
: off-roading, but I do drive through a lot of midwestern weather. Are
: these Coopers any good, or are they worth what I'd pay for them. Would
: being on a non-operation vehicle for a year have hurt them (the truck
: wasn't moved, but they weren't deflated)?
: --
:
: Monte Castleman, <<Spamfilter in Use>>
: Bloomington, MN <<to email, remove the "q" from address>>
: