Re: Which coolant?
I can't help you with the proper coolant type, but you should be aware
that the system will hold likely 40% of it's volume inside the heater core and engine block. This means you will 'already' have a 40% water mix in there when you start filling it with 'pure' antifreeze. I always find out what the capacity is from the owners manual and add half that in pure antifreeze if I want a 50/50 mix. I then top it up with water. I actually have had 50/50 freeze up here in Ontario Canada so I prefer 60/40. Canadian Tire still sells 'green' antifreeze but be careful what you buy. They now sell it premixed which is 'only' good for topping up, not filling after a flush. And they charge more for the distilled water in the premix, then pure antifreeze! Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) SBlackfoot wrote: > > I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand > Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van is > well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for good > ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything > else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything coolant. > Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, drain > again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm > hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it hunting > down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the > cheapie "autopro" green stuff? > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Which coolant?
See anyone do any good on the issues of Freon, Gasohol, etc. yet?
one out of many daves proclaimed: > If this newer and "safer for the environment" coolant is that > destructive to the cooling system components.............have there been > many complaints and lawsuits? > If so any positive results for the owners of the vehicles? > > FYI (and maybe urban legend) > The VWs/Audis either call for G11 (blue color) or G12 (red closer to > pinkish color) which in the USA is blended by Valvoline. Valvoline > claims that no "over the counter" easy to obtain coolant has the same > blend as G11 or G12 and it is almost a "secret blend". > I am told that if G12 gets mixed with any other coolant it will probably > turn into sludge and other coolants will damage aluminum components. I > have not seen this yet...........thank goodness. > Now Pensotin makes a universal G12 that can supposedly be added to any > other coolant with no ill effects. > I have seen G11 coolant mixed by owners but have not really seen any ill > effects yet (See NOTE below). But either there is only a small amount > added or there is a leak that lets all coolant out anyway. > I have also heard that using the right coolant will allow components to > live longer without leaks. > I DON'T MIX G12, if it calls for G12 that is what it gets!!! > G11 seems to play with others OK and does not seem to be as proprietary > as G12. > > NOTE: Now I do remember a couple of radiators (G11) that I changed that > had their radiator fan sensors that were badly corroded, or eaten up, on > the inside along with the threads in the radiators that were also > corroded. I am not sure what caused this problem though since these > vehicles were over 10 years old with probably no coolant flushes during > this period. > > Now I did not mention oil which does not play well with any coolant! lol > > later, > dave AKA vwdoc1 |
Re: Which coolant?
See anyone do any good on the issues of Freon, Gasohol, etc. yet?
one out of many daves proclaimed: > If this newer and "safer for the environment" coolant is that > destructive to the cooling system components.............have there been > many complaints and lawsuits? > If so any positive results for the owners of the vehicles? > > FYI (and maybe urban legend) > The VWs/Audis either call for G11 (blue color) or G12 (red closer to > pinkish color) which in the USA is blended by Valvoline. Valvoline > claims that no "over the counter" easy to obtain coolant has the same > blend as G11 or G12 and it is almost a "secret blend". > I am told that if G12 gets mixed with any other coolant it will probably > turn into sludge and other coolants will damage aluminum components. I > have not seen this yet...........thank goodness. > Now Pensotin makes a universal G12 that can supposedly be added to any > other coolant with no ill effects. > I have seen G11 coolant mixed by owners but have not really seen any ill > effects yet (See NOTE below). But either there is only a small amount > added or there is a leak that lets all coolant out anyway. > I have also heard that using the right coolant will allow components to > live longer without leaks. > I DON'T MIX G12, if it calls for G12 that is what it gets!!! > G11 seems to play with others OK and does not seem to be as proprietary > as G12. > > NOTE: Now I do remember a couple of radiators (G11) that I changed that > had their radiator fan sensors that were badly corroded, or eaten up, on > the inside along with the threads in the radiators that were also > corroded. I am not sure what caused this problem though since these > vehicles were over 10 years old with probably no coolant flushes during > this period. > > Now I did not mention oil which does not play well with any coolant! lol > > later, > dave AKA vwdoc1 |
Re: Which coolant?
See anyone do any good on the issues of Freon, Gasohol, etc. yet?
one out of many daves proclaimed: > If this newer and "safer for the environment" coolant is that > destructive to the cooling system components.............have there been > many complaints and lawsuits? > If so any positive results for the owners of the vehicles? > > FYI (and maybe urban legend) > The VWs/Audis either call for G11 (blue color) or G12 (red closer to > pinkish color) which in the USA is blended by Valvoline. Valvoline > claims that no "over the counter" easy to obtain coolant has the same > blend as G11 or G12 and it is almost a "secret blend". > I am told that if G12 gets mixed with any other coolant it will probably > turn into sludge and other coolants will damage aluminum components. I > have not seen this yet...........thank goodness. > Now Pensotin makes a universal G12 that can supposedly be added to any > other coolant with no ill effects. > I have seen G11 coolant mixed by owners but have not really seen any ill > effects yet (See NOTE below). But either there is only a small amount > added or there is a leak that lets all coolant out anyway. > I have also heard that using the right coolant will allow components to > live longer without leaks. > I DON'T MIX G12, if it calls for G12 that is what it gets!!! > G11 seems to play with others OK and does not seem to be as proprietary > as G12. > > NOTE: Now I do remember a couple of radiators (G11) that I changed that > had their radiator fan sensors that were badly corroded, or eaten up, on > the inside along with the threads in the radiators that were also > corroded. I am not sure what caused this problem though since these > vehicles were over 10 years old with probably no coolant flushes during > this period. > > Now I did not mention oil which does not play well with any coolant! lol > > later, > dave AKA vwdoc1 |
Re: Which coolant?
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...?osti_id=31877
http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_a.html http://www.peakantifreeze.com/fleetcharge.htm http://www.sierraantifreeze.com/ I've been using Sierra in my '93 with no problems. No overheating, no freezing and no corrosion. Way too many animals and children where I live to risk using EG when I have a choice. I've seen EG poisoning and I hope never to again. My 2 cents. >> SBlackfoot wrote: >> >> I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand >> Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van is >> well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for good >> ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything >> else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything coolant. >> Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, drain >> again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm >> hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it hunting >> down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the >> cheapie "autopro" green stuff? >> >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com A high IQ doesn't make up for a lack of common sense. |
Re: Which coolant?
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...?osti_id=31877
http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_a.html http://www.peakantifreeze.com/fleetcharge.htm http://www.sierraantifreeze.com/ I've been using Sierra in my '93 with no problems. No overheating, no freezing and no corrosion. Way too many animals and children where I live to risk using EG when I have a choice. I've seen EG poisoning and I hope never to again. My 2 cents. >> SBlackfoot wrote: >> >> I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand >> Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van is >> well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for good >> ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything >> else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything coolant. >> Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, drain >> again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm >> hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it hunting >> down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the >> cheapie "autopro" green stuff? >> >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com A high IQ doesn't make up for a lack of common sense. |
Re: Which coolant?
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/...?osti_id=31877
http://www.peakantifreeze.com/tech/tech_a.html http://www.peakantifreeze.com/fleetcharge.htm http://www.sierraantifreeze.com/ I've been using Sierra in my '93 with no problems. No overheating, no freezing and no corrosion. Way too many animals and children where I live to risk using EG when I have a choice. I've seen EG poisoning and I hope never to again. My 2 cents. >> SBlackfoot wrote: >> >> I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand >> Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van is >> well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for good >> ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything >> else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything coolant. >> Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, drain >> again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm >> hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it hunting >> down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the >> cheapie "autopro" green stuff? >> >> -- >> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com A high IQ doesn't make up for a lack of common sense. |
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