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Re: Which coolant?
That's cool to know, thanks.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Earle Horton wrote: > > The stuff Bill is talking about is in the black container labeled "Heavy > Duty". If Bambi or Fido ever drinks this stuff, it will crystallize in his > kidneys and lead to kidney failure. If you can get some beer in him soon > enough, it will prevent this from happening. Deer and dogs seem to like > beer fine, but cats don't care for it. Don't ask me how I know this. > > Earle |
Re: Which coolant?
That's cool to know, thanks.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Earle Horton wrote: > > The stuff Bill is talking about is in the black container labeled "Heavy > Duty". If Bambi or Fido ever drinks this stuff, it will crystallize in his > kidneys and lead to kidney failure. If you can get some beer in him soon > enough, it will prevent this from happening. Deer and dogs seem to like > beer fine, but cats don't care for it. Don't ask me how I know this. > > Earle |
Re: Which coolant?
That's cool to know, thanks.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Earle Horton wrote: > > The stuff Bill is talking about is in the black container labeled "Heavy > Duty". If Bambi or Fido ever drinks this stuff, it will crystallize in his > kidneys and lead to kidney failure. If you can get some beer in him soon > enough, it will prevent this from happening. Deer and dogs seem to like > beer fine, but cats don't care for it. Don't ask me how I know this. > > Earle |
Re: Which coolant?
Earle Horton wrote:
> The stuff Bill is talking about is in the black container labeled "Heavy > Duty". If Bambi or Fido ever drinks this stuff, it will crystallize in his > kidneys and lead to kidney failure. If you can get some beer in him soon > enough, it will prevent this from happening. Deer and dogs seem to like > beer fine, but cats don't care for it. Don't ask me how I know this. > > Earle > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:45286E2F.DBF6C3E9@cox.net... >> Look through: http://prestone.com/products/antifreezeCoolant.php for >> the green stuff it contains the good stuff, Ethylene Glycol, the >> Greenies have been trying to outlaw because it kill animals that love >> the alcohol taste: http://www.----------.com/temp/prestone.jpg So >> promptly fix all leaks. I don't believe it's in a yellow container now. >> Take the time to remove the block drain plug and flush with your >> garden hose. As it's the only way to remove the acid that settles there, >> and that will eat out the core plugs within the five year period the new >> cars want, assisted via electrolysis with the aluminum radiators. >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:-------------------- >> >> SBlackfoot wrote: >>> I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand >>> Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van > is >>> well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for > good >>> ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything >>> else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything > coolant. >>> Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, > drain >>> again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm >>> hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it > hunting >>> down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the >>> cheapie "autopro" green stuff? > > Men of wisdom do not allow ethelyne glycol to ever hit the ground to begin with. Not trying to insult anyone here. I have a stupid female neighbor who allowed her cooling system to gush ethelyne glycol down storm drains for a week before I dropped dime on her. Of course, she's indignant and pissy, which is typical for brainless females these days. Bottom line: ethelyne glycol is toxic. Dispose of it properly, don't puke it all over the ground and think it's no big deal, and use it liberally in older vehicles. Change at least yearly, use distilled water, and ignore the "Green Crowd" altogether when they bitch about it. |
Re: Which coolant?
Earle Horton wrote:
> The stuff Bill is talking about is in the black container labeled "Heavy > Duty". If Bambi or Fido ever drinks this stuff, it will crystallize in his > kidneys and lead to kidney failure. If you can get some beer in him soon > enough, it will prevent this from happening. Deer and dogs seem to like > beer fine, but cats don't care for it. Don't ask me how I know this. > > Earle > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:45286E2F.DBF6C3E9@cox.net... >> Look through: http://prestone.com/products/antifreezeCoolant.php for >> the green stuff it contains the good stuff, Ethylene Glycol, the >> Greenies have been trying to outlaw because it kill animals that love >> the alcohol taste: http://www.----------.com/temp/prestone.jpg So >> promptly fix all leaks. I don't believe it's in a yellow container now. >> Take the time to remove the block drain plug and flush with your >> garden hose. As it's the only way to remove the acid that settles there, >> and that will eat out the core plugs within the five year period the new >> cars want, assisted via electrolysis with the aluminum radiators. >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:-------------------- >> >> SBlackfoot wrote: >>> I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand >>> Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van > is >>> well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for > good >>> ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything >>> else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything > coolant. >>> Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, > drain >>> again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm >>> hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it > hunting >>> down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the >>> cheapie "autopro" green stuff? > > Men of wisdom do not allow ethelyne glycol to ever hit the ground to begin with. Not trying to insult anyone here. I have a stupid female neighbor who allowed her cooling system to gush ethelyne glycol down storm drains for a week before I dropped dime on her. Of course, she's indignant and pissy, which is typical for brainless females these days. Bottom line: ethelyne glycol is toxic. Dispose of it properly, don't puke it all over the ground and think it's no big deal, and use it liberally in older vehicles. Change at least yearly, use distilled water, and ignore the "Green Crowd" altogether when they bitch about it. |
Re: Which coolant?
Earle Horton wrote:
> The stuff Bill is talking about is in the black container labeled "Heavy > Duty". If Bambi or Fido ever drinks this stuff, it will crystallize in his > kidneys and lead to kidney failure. If you can get some beer in him soon > enough, it will prevent this from happening. Deer and dogs seem to like > beer fine, but cats don't care for it. Don't ask me how I know this. > > Earle > > "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message > news:45286E2F.DBF6C3E9@cox.net... >> Look through: http://prestone.com/products/antifreezeCoolant.php for >> the green stuff it contains the good stuff, Ethylene Glycol, the >> Greenies have been trying to outlaw because it kill animals that love >> the alcohol taste: http://www.----------.com/temp/prestone.jpg So >> promptly fix all leaks. I don't believe it's in a yellow container now. >> Take the time to remove the block drain plug and flush with your >> garden hose. As it's the only way to remove the acid that settles there, >> and that will eat out the core plugs within the five year period the new >> cars want, assisted via electrolysis with the aluminum radiators. >> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O >> mailto:-------------------- >> >> SBlackfoot wrote: >>> I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand >>> Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van > is >>> well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for > good >>> ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything >>> else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything > coolant. >>> Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, > drain >>> again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm >>> hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it > hunting >>> down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the >>> cheapie "autopro" green stuff? > > Men of wisdom do not allow ethelyne glycol to ever hit the ground to begin with. Not trying to insult anyone here. I have a stupid female neighbor who allowed her cooling system to gush ethelyne glycol down storm drains for a week before I dropped dime on her. Of course, she's indignant and pissy, which is typical for brainless females these days. Bottom line: ethelyne glycol is toxic. Dispose of it properly, don't puke it all over the ground and think it's no big deal, and use it liberally in older vehicles. Change at least yearly, use distilled water, and ignore the "Green Crowd" altogether when they bitch about it. |
Re: Which coolant?
Almost all coolants except the Sierra type stuff uses Ethylene Glycol as
their base, the difference is in the anti-corrosive ingredients added to the clear glycols. Sierra uses propylene glycol as the base and refuses to list the corrosion inhibitors used. DC forbids propylene glycol coolants for other reasons including reduced heat transfer capacity, less freeze protection, less corrosion protection, and you cannot use standard coolant protection measuring equipment. According to the 'Mobile Air Conditioning Society' magazine November 2004 issue all Prestone products use O.A.T. Organic Acid Technology inhibitors. DexCool uses OAT inhibitors in their Ethylene Glycol coolants According to the '02 FSM OAT containing coolants are verboten by DC, therefore DexCool is forbidden and as all Prestones are DexCool then all Prestones are not acceptable. Peak makes many different brands of coolant, many are listed by Peak on their company website as using OAT inhibitors but being appropriate for DC vehicles. Most of the others do not list the inhibitor technology used but they too are claimed to be acceptable. In my way of thinking if they lie to you about half of their products they are probably lying to you about all of them. As far as I know the only brand of coolant that still uses the old 'American Green' spec is Valvoline's Zerex Original Green Antifreeze/Coolant in the white jug. http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=8 Please be aware that just because a coolant may happen to be green in color does not mean it meets the 'American Green' specs. In my youth American Green spec coolant was available in green, yellow, and blue. It may have been available in other colors but I lived in a small town and we had limited choices. The new spec coolant is G-05 (Glysantin) which is a Ethylene Glycol based coolant using H.O.A.T. Hybrid Organic Acid Technology inhibitors. As far as I know the only supplier of G-05 spec coolant to the aftermarket is Valvoline in their Zerex G-05® Antifreeze/ Coolant in the gold jug. http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10 DC advises that any vehicle that came with green coolant may continue to use it although they recommend upgrading to the new G-05 spec as the corrosion inhibitor capability is superior. You should always use Distilled water to make your 50/50 mix as the minerals in tap water promote corrosion. FWIW: OAT and HOAT coolants are chemically incompatible, if you top off G-05 with Prestone Universal you will end up with an engine, radiator, heater core and expansion tank full of brownish red slime. Zerex G-05 is a very pale yellow, this is the color used by Ford. DC dyes their G-05 orange. These coolants are identical except for the color and are interchangeable. DC orange G-05 is not to be confused with GM-Texaco's DexCool orange or Prestone's yellow which is DexCool confused with Zerex and Ford yellow G-05. http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2118433873 Prestone and Peak varieties and pix of the damage they cause: http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 Valvoline's Zerex G-05 coolant is available at PepBoys and NAPA. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45286E2F.DBF6C3E9@cox.net... > Look through: http://prestone.com/products/antifreezeCoolant.php for > the green stuff it contains the good stuff, Ethylene Glycol, the > Greenies have been trying to outlaw because it kill animals that love > the alcohol taste: http://www.----------.com/temp/prestone.jpg So > promptly fix all leaks. I don't believe it's in a yellow container now. > Take the time to remove the block drain plug and flush with your > garden hose. As it's the only way to remove the acid that settles there, > and that will eat out the core plugs within the five year period the new > cars want, assisted via electrolysis with the aluminum radiators. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > SBlackfoot wrote: >> >> I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand >> Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van is >> well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for >> good >> ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything >> else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything coolant. >> Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, >> drain >> again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm >> hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it >> hunting >> down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the >> cheapie "autopro" green stuff? |
Re: Which coolant?
Almost all coolants except the Sierra type stuff uses Ethylene Glycol as
their base, the difference is in the anti-corrosive ingredients added to the clear glycols. Sierra uses propylene glycol as the base and refuses to list the corrosion inhibitors used. DC forbids propylene glycol coolants for other reasons including reduced heat transfer capacity, less freeze protection, less corrosion protection, and you cannot use standard coolant protection measuring equipment. According to the 'Mobile Air Conditioning Society' magazine November 2004 issue all Prestone products use O.A.T. Organic Acid Technology inhibitors. DexCool uses OAT inhibitors in their Ethylene Glycol coolants According to the '02 FSM OAT containing coolants are verboten by DC, therefore DexCool is forbidden and as all Prestones are DexCool then all Prestones are not acceptable. Peak makes many different brands of coolant, many are listed by Peak on their company website as using OAT inhibitors but being appropriate for DC vehicles. Most of the others do not list the inhibitor technology used but they too are claimed to be acceptable. In my way of thinking if they lie to you about half of their products they are probably lying to you about all of them. As far as I know the only brand of coolant that still uses the old 'American Green' spec is Valvoline's Zerex Original Green Antifreeze/Coolant in the white jug. http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=8 Please be aware that just because a coolant may happen to be green in color does not mean it meets the 'American Green' specs. In my youth American Green spec coolant was available in green, yellow, and blue. It may have been available in other colors but I lived in a small town and we had limited choices. The new spec coolant is G-05 (Glysantin) which is a Ethylene Glycol based coolant using H.O.A.T. Hybrid Organic Acid Technology inhibitors. As far as I know the only supplier of G-05 spec coolant to the aftermarket is Valvoline in their Zerex G-05® Antifreeze/ Coolant in the gold jug. http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10 DC advises that any vehicle that came with green coolant may continue to use it although they recommend upgrading to the new G-05 spec as the corrosion inhibitor capability is superior. You should always use Distilled water to make your 50/50 mix as the minerals in tap water promote corrosion. FWIW: OAT and HOAT coolants are chemically incompatible, if you top off G-05 with Prestone Universal you will end up with an engine, radiator, heater core and expansion tank full of brownish red slime. Zerex G-05 is a very pale yellow, this is the color used by Ford. DC dyes their G-05 orange. These coolants are identical except for the color and are interchangeable. DC orange G-05 is not to be confused with GM-Texaco's DexCool orange or Prestone's yellow which is DexCool confused with Zerex and Ford yellow G-05. http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2118433873 Prestone and Peak varieties and pix of the damage they cause: http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 Valvoline's Zerex G-05 coolant is available at PepBoys and NAPA. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45286E2F.DBF6C3E9@cox.net... > Look through: http://prestone.com/products/antifreezeCoolant.php for > the green stuff it contains the good stuff, Ethylene Glycol, the > Greenies have been trying to outlaw because it kill animals that love > the alcohol taste: http://www.----------.com/temp/prestone.jpg So > promptly fix all leaks. I don't believe it's in a yellow container now. > Take the time to remove the block drain plug and flush with your > garden hose. As it's the only way to remove the acid that settles there, > and that will eat out the core plugs within the five year period the new > cars want, assisted via electrolysis with the aluminum radiators. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > SBlackfoot wrote: >> >> I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand >> Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van is >> well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for >> good >> ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything >> else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything coolant. >> Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, >> drain >> again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm >> hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it >> hunting >> down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the >> cheapie "autopro" green stuff? |
Re: Which coolant?
Almost all coolants except the Sierra type stuff uses Ethylene Glycol as
their base, the difference is in the anti-corrosive ingredients added to the clear glycols. Sierra uses propylene glycol as the base and refuses to list the corrosion inhibitors used. DC forbids propylene glycol coolants for other reasons including reduced heat transfer capacity, less freeze protection, less corrosion protection, and you cannot use standard coolant protection measuring equipment. According to the 'Mobile Air Conditioning Society' magazine November 2004 issue all Prestone products use O.A.T. Organic Acid Technology inhibitors. DexCool uses OAT inhibitors in their Ethylene Glycol coolants According to the '02 FSM OAT containing coolants are verboten by DC, therefore DexCool is forbidden and as all Prestones are DexCool then all Prestones are not acceptable. Peak makes many different brands of coolant, many are listed by Peak on their company website as using OAT inhibitors but being appropriate for DC vehicles. Most of the others do not list the inhibitor technology used but they too are claimed to be acceptable. In my way of thinking if they lie to you about half of their products they are probably lying to you about all of them. As far as I know the only brand of coolant that still uses the old 'American Green' spec is Valvoline's Zerex Original Green Antifreeze/Coolant in the white jug. http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=8 Please be aware that just because a coolant may happen to be green in color does not mean it meets the 'American Green' specs. In my youth American Green spec coolant was available in green, yellow, and blue. It may have been available in other colors but I lived in a small town and we had limited choices. The new spec coolant is G-05 (Glysantin) which is a Ethylene Glycol based coolant using H.O.A.T. Hybrid Organic Acid Technology inhibitors. As far as I know the only supplier of G-05 spec coolant to the aftermarket is Valvoline in their Zerex G-05® Antifreeze/ Coolant in the gold jug. http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10 DC advises that any vehicle that came with green coolant may continue to use it although they recommend upgrading to the new G-05 spec as the corrosion inhibitor capability is superior. You should always use Distilled water to make your 50/50 mix as the minerals in tap water promote corrosion. FWIW: OAT and HOAT coolants are chemically incompatible, if you top off G-05 with Prestone Universal you will end up with an engine, radiator, heater core and expansion tank full of brownish red slime. Zerex G-05 is a very pale yellow, this is the color used by Ford. DC dyes their G-05 orange. These coolants are identical except for the color and are interchangeable. DC orange G-05 is not to be confused with GM-Texaco's DexCool orange or Prestone's yellow which is DexCool confused with Zerex and Ford yellow G-05. http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2118433873 Prestone and Peak varieties and pix of the damage they cause: http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 Valvoline's Zerex G-05 coolant is available at PepBoys and NAPA. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:45286E2F.DBF6C3E9@cox.net... > Look through: http://prestone.com/products/antifreezeCoolant.php for > the green stuff it contains the good stuff, Ethylene Glycol, the > Greenies have been trying to outlaw because it kill animals that love > the alcohol taste: http://www.----------.com/temp/prestone.jpg So > promptly fix all leaks. I don't believe it's in a yellow container now. > Take the time to remove the block drain plug and flush with your > garden hose. As it's the only way to remove the acid that settles there, > and that will eat out the core plugs within the five year period the new > cars want, assisted via electrolysis with the aluminum radiators. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- > > SBlackfoot wrote: >> >> I'm looking to do a little cooling system maintanence on my '93 Grand >> Cherokee (and '93 Voyager for that matter) before winter hits. The van is >> well overdue and the Jeep is relatively new to me. I went looking for >> good >> ol green coolant but all I could find was some no-name brand, everything >> else was yellow or orange "long life" compatable-with-everything coolant. >> Now I intend to drain, fill with water (and cleaner), run for a bit, >> drain >> again, and fill with coolant mix. I doubt I'll get 100% of it out so I'm >> hesitant to swap over to one of these alternatives. Is it worth it >> hunting >> down the ol' green stuff or should I pick a new colour? Or just use the >> cheapie "autopro" green stuff? |
Re: Which coolant?
http://pubs.acs.org/cen/government/84/8431gov1.html
http://commerce.senate.gov/hearings/...77&wit_id=4463 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ billy ray wrote: > > Almost all coolants except the Sierra type stuff uses Ethylene Glycol as > their base, the difference is in the anti-corrosive ingredients added to the > clear glycols. Sierra uses propylene glycol as the base and refuses to list > the corrosion inhibitors used. DC forbids propylene glycol coolants for > other reasons including reduced heat transfer capacity, less freeze > protection, less corrosion protection, and you cannot use standard coolant > protection measuring equipment. > > According to the 'Mobile Air Conditioning Society' magazine November 2004 > issue all Prestone products use O.A.T. Organic Acid Technology inhibitors. > > DexCool uses OAT inhibitors in their Ethylene Glycol coolants > > According to the '02 FSM OAT containing coolants are verboten by DC, > therefore DexCool is forbidden and as all Prestones are DexCool then all > Prestones are not acceptable. > > Peak makes many different brands of coolant, many are listed by Peak on > their company website as using OAT inhibitors but being appropriate for DC > vehicles. Most of the others do not list the inhibitor technology used but > they too are claimed to be acceptable. > > In my way of thinking if they lie to you about half of their products they > are probably lying to you about all of them. > > As far as I know the only brand of coolant that still uses the old 'American > Green' spec is Valvoline's Zerex Original Green Antifreeze/Coolant in the > white jug. > http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ....asp?product=8 > > Please be aware that just because a coolant may happen to be green in color > does not mean it meets the 'American Green' specs. In my youth American > Green spec coolant was available in green, yellow, and blue. It may have > been available in other colors but I lived in a small town and we had > limited choices. > > The new spec coolant is G-05 (Glysantin) which is a Ethylene Glycol based > coolant using H.O.A.T. Hybrid Organic Acid Technology inhibitors. As far as > I know the only supplier of G-05 spec coolant to the aftermarket is > Valvoline in their Zerex G-05® Antifreeze/ Coolant in the gold jug. > http://www.valvoline.com/pages/produ...asp?product=10 > > DC advises that any vehicle that came with green coolant may continue to use > it although they recommend upgrading to the new G-05 spec as the corrosion > inhibitor capability is superior. > > You should always use Distilled water to make your 50/50 mix as the minerals > in tap water promote corrosion. > > FWIW: > OAT and HOAT coolants are chemically incompatible, if you top off G-05 with > Prestone Universal you will end up with an engine, radiator, heater core and > expansion tank full of brownish red slime. > > Zerex G-05 is a very pale yellow, this is the color used by Ford. DC dyes > their G-05 orange. These coolants are identical except for the color and > are interchangeable. DC orange G-05 is not to be confused with GM-Texaco's > DexCool orange or Prestone's yellow which is DexCool confused with Zerex and > Ford yellow G-05. > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2118433873 > > Prestone and Peak varieties and pix of the damage they cause: > http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2102424208 > > Valvoline's Zerex G-05 coolant is available at PepBoys and NAPA. |
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