consensus on new commander?
09-28-2006, 10:25 AM
#81
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Re: consensus on new commander?
Bill Kearney wrote:
>
> > I see way more of the new Grands than Commanders. The Commanders at the
> > local dealer are also offering bigger discounts. One cow orker drove
> > the Commander for one of those extended weekend road tests and ended up
> > buying the Grand Cherokee instead because he fit better--and is build
> > like a linebacker.
>
> Eh, even with a smaller build the Commander's just butt-ugly; inside and
> out.
>
> I returned the 4.7 and tried the 3.7; it just doesn't have enough power. It
> hunts through gears too much. I'd envision getting worse mileage from
> having to kick it down all the time. So now it's a debate between the 4.7
> and hemi. Actually looks like I can get a better deal on the hemi, with a
> few less options, than a 4.7.
>
> -Bill Kearney
That 'hemi' is down right scary. They are using the tried and failed GM
system I read 'but' they say 'they' have better mathematicians than GM
had so it won't be an abortion like the Caddy engines were. Sure it
wont......
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > I see way more of the new Grands than Commanders. The Commanders at the
> > local dealer are also offering bigger discounts. One cow orker drove
> > the Commander for one of those extended weekend road tests and ended up
> > buying the Grand Cherokee instead because he fit better--and is build
> > like a linebacker.
>
> Eh, even with a smaller build the Commander's just butt-ugly; inside and
> out.
>
> I returned the 4.7 and tried the 3.7; it just doesn't have enough power. It
> hunts through gears too much. I'd envision getting worse mileage from
> having to kick it down all the time. So now it's a debate between the 4.7
> and hemi. Actually looks like I can get a better deal on the hemi, with a
> few less options, than a 4.7.
>
> -Bill Kearney
That 'hemi' is down right scary. They are using the tried and failed GM
system I read 'but' they say 'they' have better mathematicians than GM
had so it won't be an abortion like the Caddy engines were. Sure it
wont......
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
09-28-2006, 10:25 AM
#82
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Re: consensus on new commander?
Bill Kearney wrote:
>
> > I see way more of the new Grands than Commanders. The Commanders at the
> > local dealer are also offering bigger discounts. One cow orker drove
> > the Commander for one of those extended weekend road tests and ended up
> > buying the Grand Cherokee instead because he fit better--and is build
> > like a linebacker.
>
> Eh, even with a smaller build the Commander's just butt-ugly; inside and
> out.
>
> I returned the 4.7 and tried the 3.7; it just doesn't have enough power. It
> hunts through gears too much. I'd envision getting worse mileage from
> having to kick it down all the time. So now it's a debate between the 4.7
> and hemi. Actually looks like I can get a better deal on the hemi, with a
> few less options, than a 4.7.
>
> -Bill Kearney
That 'hemi' is down right scary. They are using the tried and failed GM
system I read 'but' they say 'they' have better mathematicians than GM
had so it won't be an abortion like the Caddy engines were. Sure it
wont......
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
>
> > I see way more of the new Grands than Commanders. The Commanders at the
> > local dealer are also offering bigger discounts. One cow orker drove
> > the Commander for one of those extended weekend road tests and ended up
> > buying the Grand Cherokee instead because he fit better--and is build
> > like a linebacker.
>
> Eh, even with a smaller build the Commander's just butt-ugly; inside and
> out.
>
> I returned the 4.7 and tried the 3.7; it just doesn't have enough power. It
> hunts through gears too much. I'd envision getting worse mileage from
> having to kick it down all the time. So now it's a debate between the 4.7
> and hemi. Actually looks like I can get a better deal on the hemi, with a
> few less options, than a 4.7.
>
> -Bill Kearney
That 'hemi' is down right scary. They are using the tried and failed GM
system I read 'but' they say 'they' have better mathematicians than GM
had so it won't be an abortion like the Caddy engines were. Sure it
wont......
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
09-28-2006, 10:48 AM
#83
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Re: consensus on new commander?
FWIW Consumer Reports did a write up on the Hemi Commander in July.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:451BDB47.890A7B82@sympatico.ca...
> Bill Kearney wrote:
>>
>> > I see way more of the new Grands than Commanders. The Commanders at
>> > the
>> > local dealer are also offering bigger discounts. One cow orker drove
>> > the Commander for one of those extended weekend road tests and ended up
>> > buying the Grand Cherokee instead because he fit better--and is build
>> > like a linebacker.
>>
>> Eh, even with a smaller build the Commander's just butt-ugly; inside and
>> out.
>>
>> I returned the 4.7 and tried the 3.7; it just doesn't have enough power.
>> It
>> hunts through gears too much. I'd envision getting worse mileage from
>> having to kick it down all the time. So now it's a debate between the
>> 4.7
>> and hemi. Actually looks like I can get a better deal on the hemi, with
>> a
>> few less options, than a 4.7.
>>
>> -Bill Kearney
>
> That 'hemi' is down right scary. They are using the tried and failed GM
> system I read 'but' they say 'they' have better mathematicians than GM
> had so it won't be an abortion like the Caddy engines were. Sure it
> wont......
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:451BDB47.890A7B82@sympatico.ca...
> Bill Kearney wrote:
>>
>> > I see way more of the new Grands than Commanders. The Commanders at
>> > the
>> > local dealer are also offering bigger discounts. One cow orker drove
>> > the Commander for one of those extended weekend road tests and ended up
>> > buying the Grand Cherokee instead because he fit better--and is build
>> > like a linebacker.
>>
>> Eh, even with a smaller build the Commander's just butt-ugly; inside and
>> out.
>>
>> I returned the 4.7 and tried the 3.7; it just doesn't have enough power.
>> It
>> hunts through gears too much. I'd envision getting worse mileage from
>> having to kick it down all the time. So now it's a debate between the
>> 4.7
>> and hemi. Actually looks like I can get a better deal on the hemi, with
>> a
>> few less options, than a 4.7.
>>
>> -Bill Kearney
>
> That 'hemi' is down right scary. They are using the tried and failed GM
> system I read 'but' they say 'they' have better mathematicians than GM
> had so it won't be an abortion like the Caddy engines were. Sure it
> wont......
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
09-28-2006, 10:48 AM
#84
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Re: consensus on new commander?
FWIW Consumer Reports did a write up on the Hemi Commander in July.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:451BDB47.890A7B82@sympatico.ca...
> Bill Kearney wrote:
>>
>> > I see way more of the new Grands than Commanders. The Commanders at
>> > the
>> > local dealer are also offering bigger discounts. One cow orker drove
>> > the Commander for one of those extended weekend road tests and ended up
>> > buying the Grand Cherokee instead because he fit better--and is build
>> > like a linebacker.
>>
>> Eh, even with a smaller build the Commander's just butt-ugly; inside and
>> out.
>>
>> I returned the 4.7 and tried the 3.7; it just doesn't have enough power.
>> It
>> hunts through gears too much. I'd envision getting worse mileage from
>> having to kick it down all the time. So now it's a debate between the
>> 4.7
>> and hemi. Actually looks like I can get a better deal on the hemi, with
>> a
>> few less options, than a 4.7.
>>
>> -Bill Kearney
>
> That 'hemi' is down right scary. They are using the tried and failed GM
> system I read 'but' they say 'they' have better mathematicians than GM
> had so it won't be an abortion like the Caddy engines were. Sure it
> wont......
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:451BDB47.890A7B82@sympatico.ca...
> Bill Kearney wrote:
>>
>> > I see way more of the new Grands than Commanders. The Commanders at
>> > the
>> > local dealer are also offering bigger discounts. One cow orker drove
>> > the Commander for one of those extended weekend road tests and ended up
>> > buying the Grand Cherokee instead because he fit better--and is build
>> > like a linebacker.
>>
>> Eh, even with a smaller build the Commander's just butt-ugly; inside and
>> out.
>>
>> I returned the 4.7 and tried the 3.7; it just doesn't have enough power.
>> It
>> hunts through gears too much. I'd envision getting worse mileage from
>> having to kick it down all the time. So now it's a debate between the
>> 4.7
>> and hemi. Actually looks like I can get a better deal on the hemi, with
>> a
>> few less options, than a 4.7.
>>
>> -Bill Kearney
>
> That 'hemi' is down right scary. They are using the tried and failed GM
> system I read 'but' they say 'they' have better mathematicians than GM
> had so it won't be an abortion like the Caddy engines were. Sure it
> wont......
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
09-28-2006, 10:48 AM
#85
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Re: consensus on new commander?
FWIW Consumer Reports did a write up on the Hemi Commander in July.
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:451BDB47.890A7B82@sympatico.ca...
> Bill Kearney wrote:
>>
>> > I see way more of the new Grands than Commanders. The Commanders at
>> > the
>> > local dealer are also offering bigger discounts. One cow orker drove
>> > the Commander for one of those extended weekend road tests and ended up
>> > buying the Grand Cherokee instead because he fit better--and is build
>> > like a linebacker.
>>
>> Eh, even with a smaller build the Commander's just butt-ugly; inside and
>> out.
>>
>> I returned the 4.7 and tried the 3.7; it just doesn't have enough power.
>> It
>> hunts through gears too much. I'd envision getting worse mileage from
>> having to kick it down all the time. So now it's a debate between the
>> 4.7
>> and hemi. Actually looks like I can get a better deal on the hemi, with
>> a
>> few less options, than a 4.7.
>>
>> -Bill Kearney
>
> That 'hemi' is down right scary. They are using the tried and failed GM
> system I read 'but' they say 'they' have better mathematicians than GM
> had so it won't be an abortion like the Caddy engines were. Sure it
> wont......
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:451BDB47.890A7B82@sympatico.ca...
> Bill Kearney wrote:
>>
>> > I see way more of the new Grands than Commanders. The Commanders at
>> > the
>> > local dealer are also offering bigger discounts. One cow orker drove
>> > the Commander for one of those extended weekend road tests and ended up
>> > buying the Grand Cherokee instead because he fit better--and is build
>> > like a linebacker.
>>
>> Eh, even with a smaller build the Commander's just butt-ugly; inside and
>> out.
>>
>> I returned the 4.7 and tried the 3.7; it just doesn't have enough power.
>> It
>> hunts through gears too much. I'd envision getting worse mileage from
>> having to kick it down all the time. So now it's a debate between the
>> 4.7
>> and hemi. Actually looks like I can get a better deal on the hemi, with
>> a
>> few less options, than a 4.7.
>>
>> -Bill Kearney
>
> That 'hemi' is down right scary. They are using the tried and failed GM
> system I read 'but' they say 'they' have better mathematicians than GM
> had so it won't be an abortion like the Caddy engines were. Sure it
> wont......
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
10-01-2006, 09:15 AM
#86
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Re: consensus on new commander?
In article <bLuSg.7030$Iq5.4042@trndny02>,
Steve Foley <steve.foley@DELETE.att.net> wrote:
>"John Murphy" <tj0llll0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:451A32DB.A3E2DAA7@yahoo.com...
>> I went to the dealer to look at one, told the salseman I wante to see
>> the new JEEP. He looked at my JEEP and told me I wouldnt like it. Said I
>> would like the GC with ind suspension. Told him That I wouldnt and went
>> home.
>>
>> John in Vegas
>>
>> Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>
>I went to the dealer to BUY a brand new YJ. I spent 1/2 hour waiting for the
>salesman BS with some guy who plainly said "I wish they came out with this
>last month before I bought my Ford".
>
>I went to another dealer.
>
>The best one I heard was when my brother tried to buy a Honda motorcycle
>from the local arrogant Honda dealer. They wouldn't sell him what he wanted,
>so he went to another dealer.
>
>He took the brand new bike back to the first place for the state inspection.
>
>
Heheh. That's like sticking it up their a$$. :) The service department is
normally neutral and hate the sales department at least in a auto dealership.
You can then just walk around the sales floor and be smug. :)
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
Steve Foley <steve.foley@DELETE.att.net> wrote:
>"John Murphy" <tj0llll0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:451A32DB.A3E2DAA7@yahoo.com...
>> I went to the dealer to look at one, told the salseman I wante to see
>> the new JEEP. He looked at my JEEP and told me I wouldnt like it. Said I
>> would like the GC with ind suspension. Told him That I wouldnt and went
>> home.
>>
>> John in Vegas
>>
>> Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>
>I went to the dealer to BUY a brand new YJ. I spent 1/2 hour waiting for the
>salesman BS with some guy who plainly said "I wish they came out with this
>last month before I bought my Ford".
>
>I went to another dealer.
>
>The best one I heard was when my brother tried to buy a Honda motorcycle
>from the local arrogant Honda dealer. They wouldn't sell him what he wanted,
>so he went to another dealer.
>
>He took the brand new bike back to the first place for the state inspection.
>
>
Heheh. That's like sticking it up their a$$. :) The service department is
normally neutral and hate the sales department at least in a auto dealership.
You can then just walk around the sales floor and be smug. :)
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
10-01-2006, 09:15 AM
#87
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Re: consensus on new commander?
In article <bLuSg.7030$Iq5.4042@trndny02>,
Steve Foley <steve.foley@DELETE.att.net> wrote:
>"John Murphy" <tj0llll0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:451A32DB.A3E2DAA7@yahoo.com...
>> I went to the dealer to look at one, told the salseman I wante to see
>> the new JEEP. He looked at my JEEP and told me I wouldnt like it. Said I
>> would like the GC with ind suspension. Told him That I wouldnt and went
>> home.
>>
>> John in Vegas
>>
>> Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>
>I went to the dealer to BUY a brand new YJ. I spent 1/2 hour waiting for the
>salesman BS with some guy who plainly said "I wish they came out with this
>last month before I bought my Ford".
>
>I went to another dealer.
>
>The best one I heard was when my brother tried to buy a Honda motorcycle
>from the local arrogant Honda dealer. They wouldn't sell him what he wanted,
>so he went to another dealer.
>
>He took the brand new bike back to the first place for the state inspection.
>
>
Heheh. That's like sticking it up their a$$. :) The service department is
normally neutral and hate the sales department at least in a auto dealership.
You can then just walk around the sales floor and be smug. :)
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
Steve Foley <steve.foley@DELETE.att.net> wrote:
>"John Murphy" <tj0llll0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:451A32DB.A3E2DAA7@yahoo.com...
>> I went to the dealer to look at one, told the salseman I wante to see
>> the new JEEP. He looked at my JEEP and told me I wouldnt like it. Said I
>> would like the GC with ind suspension. Told him That I wouldnt and went
>> home.
>>
>> John in Vegas
>>
>> Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>
>I went to the dealer to BUY a brand new YJ. I spent 1/2 hour waiting for the
>salesman BS with some guy who plainly said "I wish they came out with this
>last month before I bought my Ford".
>
>I went to another dealer.
>
>The best one I heard was when my brother tried to buy a Honda motorcycle
>from the local arrogant Honda dealer. They wouldn't sell him what he wanted,
>so he went to another dealer.
>
>He took the brand new bike back to the first place for the state inspection.
>
>
Heheh. That's like sticking it up their a$$. :) The service department is
normally neutral and hate the sales department at least in a auto dealership.
You can then just walk around the sales floor and be smug. :)
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
10-01-2006, 09:15 AM
#88
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Re: consensus on new commander?
In article <bLuSg.7030$Iq5.4042@trndny02>,
Steve Foley <steve.foley@DELETE.att.net> wrote:
>"John Murphy" <tj0llll0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:451A32DB.A3E2DAA7@yahoo.com...
>> I went to the dealer to look at one, told the salseman I wante to see
>> the new JEEP. He looked at my JEEP and told me I wouldnt like it. Said I
>> would like the GC with ind suspension. Told him That I wouldnt and went
>> home.
>>
>> John in Vegas
>>
>> Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>
>I went to the dealer to BUY a brand new YJ. I spent 1/2 hour waiting for the
>salesman BS with some guy who plainly said "I wish they came out with this
>last month before I bought my Ford".
>
>I went to another dealer.
>
>The best one I heard was when my brother tried to buy a Honda motorcycle
>from the local arrogant Honda dealer. They wouldn't sell him what he wanted,
>so he went to another dealer.
>
>He took the brand new bike back to the first place for the state inspection.
>
>
Heheh. That's like sticking it up their a$$. :) The service department is
normally neutral and hate the sales department at least in a auto dealership.
You can then just walk around the sales floor and be smug. :)
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
Steve Foley <steve.foley@DELETE.att.net> wrote:
>"John Murphy" <tj0llll0@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:451A32DB.A3E2DAA7@yahoo.com...
>> I went to the dealer to look at one, told the salseman I wante to see
>> the new JEEP. He looked at my JEEP and told me I wouldnt like it. Said I
>> would like the GC with ind suspension. Told him That I wouldnt and went
>> home.
>>
>> John in Vegas
>>
>> Jeffrey DeWitt wrote:
>
>I went to the dealer to BUY a brand new YJ. I spent 1/2 hour waiting for the
>salesman BS with some guy who plainly said "I wish they came out with this
>last month before I bought my Ford".
>
>I went to another dealer.
>
>The best one I heard was when my brother tried to buy a Honda motorcycle
>from the local arrogant Honda dealer. They wouldn't sell him what he wanted,
>so he went to another dealer.
>
>He took the brand new bike back to the first place for the state inspection.
>
>
Heheh. That's like sticking it up their a$$. :) The service department is
normally neutral and hate the sales department at least in a auto dealership.
You can then just walk around the sales floor and be smug. :)
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
10-01-2006, 09:27 AM
#89
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Re: consensus on new commander?
In article <45195B26.D4CC53C7@sympatico.ca>,
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Bill Kearney wrote:
>>
>> > A few other familiar names that Studebaker used first...
>>
>> Who cares?
>
> At least it is more or less on topic unlike most of the -------- posted
>here these days.
ROFLMAO! Exactly. It's a welcome change to read the Studebaker OT and how
it was similiar to the topic.
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Bill Kearney wrote:
>>
>> > A few other familiar names that Studebaker used first...
>>
>> Who cares?
>
> At least it is more or less on topic unlike most of the -------- posted
>here these days.
ROFLMAO! Exactly. It's a welcome change to read the Studebaker OT and how
it was similiar to the topic.
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
10-01-2006, 09:27 AM
#90
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Re: consensus on new commander?
In article <45195B26.D4CC53C7@sympatico.ca>,
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Bill Kearney wrote:
>>
>> > A few other familiar names that Studebaker used first...
>>
>> Who cares?
>
> At least it is more or less on topic unlike most of the -------- posted
>here these days.
ROFLMAO! Exactly. It's a welcome change to read the Studebaker OT and how
it was similiar to the topic.
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...
Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Bill Kearney wrote:
>>
>> > A few other familiar names that Studebaker used first...
>>
>> Who cares?
>
> At least it is more or less on topic unlike most of the -------- posted
>here these days.
ROFLMAO! Exactly. It's a welcome change to read the Studebaker OT and how
it was similiar to the topic.
--
Jeeps and dubs and everything's nice...