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Re: cold start sluggishness
Yeah - that is what I was thinking on the whistle. I will check all
the temp controlled vacuum lines and switches first. They may be two separate problems that happen to coincide. I guess the reason I figured my choke wasn't the culprit is that at idle it runs perfectly throughout the warmup period and the bogging doesn't start happening until the whistle begins and then goes away when the whistling becomes quieter again at operating temperature. Mike Romain wrote: > I think I would first be looking at the air filter flaps and their > controls or vacuum lines for a leak. These are active on a cold > engine. The EGR even has a thermostat inside the air filter. > > Second I would be checking the carb's base screws to be sure the carb is > bolted down tight. > > Third I would be looking really close at the choke vacuum pull off > valve. It is on the back corner of the carb with a vacuum line running > to it. I would want to make sure it isn't leaking. > > You can carefully spray some carb cleaner or WD40 along the carb base > and along the intake manifold gasket to check for leaks. If the engine > rumbles when you spray, you have a leak. > > Besides the noise, your carb sounds like the typical automatic choke > issue. The thing is on a bimetal spring timer that doesn't care how > warm the engine actually is so when the engine is half way warm, the > choke is open too much so it bogs like mad. You have to feather the gas > pedal up and down to keep it running under load and 2 foot drive them. > You 'can' adjust the choke for how rich it runs until it opens by > loosening the three screws on the cover and turning it. It has indexing > lines on it. Unless the carb number is 8349 or 8351, it should be 1 > notch rich. Or you can go manual choke easily. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Deano wrote: > > > > I know a few other folks have posted other cold-related issues and > > received lost of responses, but none seemed to match quite right. > > > > 86 cj7 258, carter bbd, nutter bypass > > > > I am trying to figure out if there could be a relationship between a > > very loud whistling (a vacuum leak I haven't found yet) and some > > serious sluggishness while the engine is cold. It was 15 or 18 degrees > > this morning (-10C) and it exhibited the typical symptoms. Starts and > > idles perfectly and in fact runs great for the first 2-3 minutes. Then > > the whistling starts and with the whistling comes a huge bogging issue > > under any load at all. I believe the only delayed vacuum line should > > be the thermal vacuum switch that purges the canister and controls the > > EGR. I know it is not the EGR as it blocked off. Anyone else hearing > > something familiar or following the train of thought here? Could a > > vacuum leak cause a serious bogging issue until warm and then go away?. > > > > Would love to hear any thoughts or ideas on this. > > > > Thanks |
Re: cold start sluggishness
Yeah - that is what I was thinking on the whistle. I will check all
the temp controlled vacuum lines and switches first. They may be two separate problems that happen to coincide. I guess the reason I figured my choke wasn't the culprit is that at idle it runs perfectly throughout the warmup period and the bogging doesn't start happening until the whistle begins and then goes away when the whistling becomes quieter again at operating temperature. Mike Romain wrote: > I think I would first be looking at the air filter flaps and their > controls or vacuum lines for a leak. These are active on a cold > engine. The EGR even has a thermostat inside the air filter. > > Second I would be checking the carb's base screws to be sure the carb is > bolted down tight. > > Third I would be looking really close at the choke vacuum pull off > valve. It is on the back corner of the carb with a vacuum line running > to it. I would want to make sure it isn't leaking. > > You can carefully spray some carb cleaner or WD40 along the carb base > and along the intake manifold gasket to check for leaks. If the engine > rumbles when you spray, you have a leak. > > Besides the noise, your carb sounds like the typical automatic choke > issue. The thing is on a bimetal spring timer that doesn't care how > warm the engine actually is so when the engine is half way warm, the > choke is open too much so it bogs like mad. You have to feather the gas > pedal up and down to keep it running under load and 2 foot drive them. > You 'can' adjust the choke for how rich it runs until it opens by > loosening the three screws on the cover and turning it. It has indexing > lines on it. Unless the carb number is 8349 or 8351, it should be 1 > notch rich. Or you can go manual choke easily. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view! > Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590 > (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page) > > Deano wrote: > > > > I know a few other folks have posted other cold-related issues and > > received lost of responses, but none seemed to match quite right. > > > > 86 cj7 258, carter bbd, nutter bypass > > > > I am trying to figure out if there could be a relationship between a > > very loud whistling (a vacuum leak I haven't found yet) and some > > serious sluggishness while the engine is cold. It was 15 or 18 degrees > > this morning (-10C) and it exhibited the typical symptoms. Starts and > > idles perfectly and in fact runs great for the first 2-3 minutes. Then > > the whistling starts and with the whistling comes a huge bogging issue > > under any load at all. I believe the only delayed vacuum line should > > be the thermal vacuum switch that purges the canister and controls the > > EGR. I know it is not the EGR as it blocked off. Anyone else hearing > > something familiar or following the train of thought here? Could a > > vacuum leak cause a serious bogging issue until warm and then go away?. > > > > Would love to hear any thoughts or ideas on this. > > > > Thanks |
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Only person being made a fool of is YOU Billy Boy!
-- Some people are like slinkies.......... they are not really good for anything, but..... They still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:457BE428.3AE8AF32@cox.net... > There you go again, the jealous, really jealous, I can't believe > how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath > liar hiding in Vancouver who's only way to get attention is to make a > fool of it's self. With an obsession the other perverts here. With > extreme jealous ranting over my documents/possessions, committing > forgery over many of them proving I'm an American man. You remind me of > a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me > too, me too. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take > responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a man. > You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same > paragraph it fits so well! > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ |
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Only person being made a fool of is YOU Billy Boy!
-- Some people are like slinkies.......... they are not really good for anything, but..... They still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:457BE428.3AE8AF32@cox.net... > There you go again, the jealous, really jealous, I can't believe > how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath > liar hiding in Vancouver who's only way to get attention is to make a > fool of it's self. With an obsession the other perverts here. With > extreme jealous ranting over my documents/possessions, committing > forgery over many of them proving I'm an American man. You remind me of > a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me > too, me too. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take > responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a man. > You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same > paragraph it fits so well! > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ |
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Only person being made a fool of is YOU Billy Boy!
-- Some people are like slinkies.......... they are not really good for anything, but..... They still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs. "L.W.(Bill) ------ III" <----------@cox.net> wrote in message news:457BE428.3AE8AF32@cox.net... > There you go again, the jealous, really jealous, I can't believe > how jealous this little draft dodging coward schizophrenic psychopath > liar hiding in Vancouver who's only way to get attention is to make a > fool of it's self. With an obsession the other perverts here. With > extreme jealous ranting over my documents/possessions, committing > forgery over many of them proving I'm an American man. You remind me of > a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me > too, me too. And the poor thing, you're too girlie to take > responsibility for yourself again, by signing your statement like a man. > You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same > paragraph it fits so well! > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ |
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Well I don't have to lie in the process of eliminating them. And
this is the best way to squash anonymous cowards. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Mike G." wrote: > > Only person being made a fool of is YOU Billy Boy! > > -- > Some people are like slinkies.......... they are not really good for anything, but..... They still bring a smile to your face when > you push them down a flight of stairs. |
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Well I don't have to lie in the process of eliminating them. And
this is the best way to squash anonymous cowards. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Mike G." wrote: > > Only person being made a fool of is YOU Billy Boy! > > -- > Some people are like slinkies.......... they are not really good for anything, but..... They still bring a smile to your face when > you push them down a flight of stairs. |
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Well I don't have to lie in the process of eliminating them. And
this is the best way to squash anonymous cowards. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Mike G." wrote: > > Only person being made a fool of is YOU Billy Boy! > > -- > Some people are like slinkies.......... they are not really good for anything, but..... They still bring a smile to your face when > you push them down a flight of stairs. |
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Who have you squashed?
Craig On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:51:31 -0800, L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote (in article <457C6543.5DAA6B71@cox.net>): > Well I don't have to lie in the process of eliminating them. And > this is the best way to squash anonymous cowards. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "Mike G." wrote: >> >> Only person being made a fool of is YOU Billy Boy! >> >> -- Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Who have you squashed?
Craig On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:51:31 -0800, L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote (in article <457C6543.5DAA6B71@cox.net>): > Well I don't have to lie in the process of eliminating them. And > this is the best way to squash anonymous cowards. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "Mike G." wrote: >> >> Only person being made a fool of is YOU Billy Boy! >> >> -- Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Who have you squashed?
Craig On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:51:31 -0800, L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote (in article <457C6543.5DAA6B71@cox.net>): > Well I don't have to lie in the process of eliminating them. And > this is the best way to squash anonymous cowards. > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ > > "Mike G." wrote: >> >> Only person being made a fool of is YOU Billy Boy! >> >> -- Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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"Craig Scheiner" <cps@cpsvideo.net> wrote in message news:0001HW.C1A1B2C4000B69ADF0407530@News-West.usenet.com... > Who have you squashed? > Craig > My question exactally! -- Some people are like slinkies.......... they are not really good for anything, but..... They still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs. |
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"Craig Scheiner" <cps@cpsvideo.net> wrote in message news:0001HW.C1A1B2C4000B69ADF0407530@News-West.usenet.com... > Who have you squashed? > Craig > My question exactally! -- Some people are like slinkies.......... they are not really good for anything, but..... They still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs. |
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"Craig Scheiner" <cps@cpsvideo.net> wrote in message news:0001HW.C1A1B2C4000B69ADF0407530@News-West.usenet.com... > Who have you squashed? > Craig > My question exactally! -- Some people are like slinkies.......... they are not really good for anything, but..... They still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs. |
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On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:51:31 -0800, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
<----------@cox.net> in an all out fatal attempt to prove worthiness wrote: Yes it sure is, so when are you leaving anonymous war coward, fat German beer guzzler, while others died in Nam. :> Well I don't have to lie in the process of eliminating them. And :>this is the best way to squash anonymous cowards. :> :>"Mike G." wrote: :>> :>> Only person being made a fool of is YOU Billy Boy! :>> :>> -- :>> Some people are like slinkies.......... they are not really good for anything, but..... They still bring a smile to your face when :>> you push them down a flight of stairs. |
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On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:51:31 -0800, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
<----------@cox.net> in an all out fatal attempt to prove worthiness wrote: Yes it sure is, so when are you leaving anonymous war coward, fat German beer guzzler, while others died in Nam. :> Well I don't have to lie in the process of eliminating them. And :>this is the best way to squash anonymous cowards. :> :>"Mike G." wrote: :>> :>> Only person being made a fool of is YOU Billy Boy! :>> :>> -- :>> Some people are like slinkies.......... they are not really good for anything, but..... They still bring a smile to your face when :>> you push them down a flight of stairs. |
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On Sun, 10 Dec 2006 11:51:31 -0800, "L.W.(Bill) ------ III"
<----------@cox.net> in an all out fatal attempt to prove worthiness wrote: Yes it sure is, so when are you leaving anonymous war coward, fat German beer guzzler, while others died in Nam. :> Well I don't have to lie in the process of eliminating them. And :>this is the best way to squash anonymous cowards. :> :>"Mike G." wrote: :>> :>> Only person being made a fool of is YOU Billy Boy! :>> :>> -- :>> Some people are like slinkies.......... they are not really good for anything, but..... They still bring a smile to your face when :>> you push them down a flight of stairs. |
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Many, but it's hard to mention names, other than the emails I get
saying account closed. But then we know it doesn't take very long to open a new account and IP, for me to go after. Use a few foul words and cross post, oh please, pretty please! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Craig Scheiner wrote: > > Who have you squashed? > Craig |
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Many, but it's hard to mention names, other than the emails I get
saying account closed. But then we know it doesn't take very long to open a new account and IP, for me to go after. Use a few foul words and cross post, oh please, pretty please! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Craig Scheiner wrote: > > Who have you squashed? > Craig |
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Many, but it's hard to mention names, other than the emails I get
saying account closed. But then we know it doesn't take very long to open a new account and IP, for me to go after. Use a few foul words and cross post, oh please, pretty please! God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ Craig Scheiner wrote: > > Who have you squashed? > Craig |
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I have hundreds of conformations. This group would be flooded with
---- if it wasn't for people like me. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Mike G." wrote: > > My question exactally! > > -- |
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I have hundreds of conformations. This group would be flooded with
---- if it wasn't for people like me. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Mike G." wrote: > > My question exactally! > > -- |
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I have hundreds of conformations. This group would be flooded with
---- if it wasn't for people like me. God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "Mike G." wrote: > > My question exactally! > > -- |
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There you go again, the jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that
I once own a '37 Lasalle, what a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from Gulf Breeze, Florida, who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of it's self. With this goat obsession/fetish you have. Like when the other kids laughed at it's attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me too, me too. And as usually afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would. Again you don't even have the fortitude to sign your lies, what coward! You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same paragraph it fits so well! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com and to cox,net to nail 4ax.com (databasix.com) God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "24Bit®" wrote: ><snip jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests> |
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There you go again, the jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that
I once own a '37 Lasalle, what a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from Gulf Breeze, Florida, who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of it's self. With this goat obsession/fetish you have. Like when the other kids laughed at it's attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me too, me too. And as usually afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would. Again you don't even have the fortitude to sign your lies, what coward! You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same paragraph it fits so well! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com and to cox,net to nail 4ax.com (databasix.com) God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "24Bit®" wrote: ><snip jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests> |
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There you go again, the jealous, REALLY JEALOUS, over the fact that
I once own a '37 Lasalle, what a jealous little draft dodging senile coward from Gulf Breeze, Florida, who's only way to get attention is to make a fool of it's self. With this goat obsession/fetish you have. Like when the other kids laughed at it's attempt to use foul language in elementary school play grounds, but just gibberish. Too senile to remember what he last wrote. You remind me of a little rat dog, like a Mexican Chiwawa with it's senseless barking, me too, me too. And as usually afraid to use your name, address, or even sign your statement as any man would. Again you don't even have the fortitude to sign your lies, what coward! You're not worth any more time when a cut and paste this same paragraph it fits so well! But now worth the time to forward this low life to: abuse@mchsi.com and to cox,net to nail 4ax.com (databasix.com) God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "24Bit®" wrote: ><snip jealous senile babbling over my accomplishments and conquests> |
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> Many, but it's hard to mention names You tried this one before, Bloater, and came up with /one/. This time let's see /plenty/; after all you save everything. If you did succeed (as opposed to suck seed), you'd have an archive of them. You make the claim, now offer up some proof of your claim. And whil you're at it, why don't you tell the truth (hope that word didn't set your monitor on fire) about what you mean by 'squashed' and 'taking someone's IP' ?? The /truth/, lardball. That truth is a far cry from what people usually think, and it's a good 'cheater' example of how you think you have some power. Put it on the table, Übermensch. -- "Jeeps can get up, and jeeps can also go down. Why can't Bill?" -- Nancy ------ III |
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> Many, but it's hard to mention names You tried this one before, Bloater, and came up with /one/. This time let's see /plenty/; after all you save everything. If you did succeed (as opposed to suck seed), you'd have an archive of them. You make the claim, now offer up some proof of your claim. And whil you're at it, why don't you tell the truth (hope that word didn't set your monitor on fire) about what you mean by 'squashed' and 'taking someone's IP' ?? The /truth/, lardball. That truth is a far cry from what people usually think, and it's a good 'cheater' example of how you think you have some power. Put it on the table, Übermensch. -- "Jeeps can get up, and jeeps can also go down. Why can't Bill?" -- Nancy ------ III |
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> Many, but it's hard to mention names You tried this one before, Bloater, and came up with /one/. This time let's see /plenty/; after all you save everything. If you did succeed (as opposed to suck seed), you'd have an archive of them. You make the claim, now offer up some proof of your claim. And whil you're at it, why don't you tell the truth (hope that word didn't set your monitor on fire) about what you mean by 'squashed' and 'taking someone's IP' ?? The /truth/, lardball. That truth is a far cry from what people usually think, and it's a good 'cheater' example of how you think you have some power. Put it on the table, Übermensch. -- "Jeeps can get up, and jeeps can also go down. Why can't Bill?" -- Nancy ------ III |
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Keep it up I'm talking with internet.abuse@sjrb.ca whom monitors
your knoll on shaw.ca. Just a little more foul language and cross posting and I'll add 24.86.24.251 to my keyboard. :-) God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ §qu@r3 Wh33£s wrote: > > You tried this one before, Bloater, and came up with /one/. > > This time let's see /plenty/; after all you save everything. If you did > succeed (as opposed to suck seed), you'd have an archive of them. You make > the claim, now offer up some proof of your claim. > > And whil you're at it, why don't you tell the truth (hope that word > didn't set your monitor on fire) about what you mean by 'squashed' and > 'taking someone's IP' ?? The /truth/, lardball. > > That truth is a far cry from what people usually think, and it's a good > 'cheater' example of how you think you have some power. > > Put it on the table, Übermensch. |
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Keep it up I'm talking with internet.abuse@sjrb.ca whom monitors
your knoll on shaw.ca. Just a little more foul language and cross posting and I'll add 24.86.24.251 to my keyboard. :-) God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ §qu@r3 Wh33£s wrote: > > You tried this one before, Bloater, and came up with /one/. > > This time let's see /plenty/; after all you save everything. If you did > succeed (as opposed to suck seed), you'd have an archive of them. You make > the claim, now offer up some proof of your claim. > > And whil you're at it, why don't you tell the truth (hope that word > didn't set your monitor on fire) about what you mean by 'squashed' and > 'taking someone's IP' ?? The /truth/, lardball. > > That truth is a far cry from what people usually think, and it's a good > 'cheater' example of how you think you have some power. > > Put it on the table, Übermensch. |
Re: Here's a Goodie! Re: cold start sluggishness -Hughes-DL.jpg (1/1) [85K] - Hughes-DL.jpg (1/1) [85K]
Keep it up I'm talking with internet.abuse@sjrb.ca whom monitors
your knoll on shaw.ca. Just a little more foul language and cross posting and I'll add 24.86.24.251 to my keyboard. :-) God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ §qu@r3 Wh33£s wrote: > > You tried this one before, Bloater, and came up with /one/. > > This time let's see /plenty/; after all you save everything. If you did > succeed (as opposed to suck seed), you'd have an archive of them. You make > the claim, now offer up some proof of your claim. > > And whil you're at it, why don't you tell the truth (hope that word > didn't set your monitor on fire) about what you mean by 'squashed' and > 'taking someone's IP' ?? The /truth/, lardball. > > That truth is a far cry from what people usually think, and it's a good > 'cheater' example of how you think you have some power. > > Put it on the table, Übermensch. |
Re: Here's a Goodie! Re: Billy Huge's mental sluggishness
On this day of this month, in a year likely to be unrecorded in human
history, L.W.(Bill) ------ III bluffed very poorly. Cogent lines: > From: ABUSE@PRSERV.NET 10/11/06 10:43 PM Interesting date. > For Account: CSSEMAIL Incident Number: 0642277 Status: CLOSED > Last Updated: Sat, 12 OCT 2002 01:43:04 (-0400 GMT) PROBLEM The end of 2002; reported four years ago! States the acct. is closed? No, just that the complaint report has been closed! And it's a spam report, not abuse, as far as I can tell. > RESP 10/12/02 01:43:05 > > Thank you for taking the time to inform us of this situation. > However, we cannot take any further action > until you provide us with the actual connection logs. He informed them (whinged like a little gurrllll), but did not supply complete or useable data. No indication that Billy had anything whatsoever with the closing of this account. After FOUR years, it could have closed for any number of reasons. A squealing, bleating pig's comments are hardly gonna get anyone's account closed. Especially when..... > Only with this information can we > identify the responsible individual. they couldn't even identify the source of Billy's ire and sexual frustration. Yep. Loser. > From: ABUSE@PRSERV.NET 10/11/06 10:43 PM > Subject: [Fwd: How Many People in this NewsGroup > (REF:#_CSSEMAIL_0642277) > To: <----------@cox.net> > > An incident reported by you has been updated. Sev: 4 > The incident # is listed below. No need to respond to this e-mail. > For Account: CSSEMAIL Incident Number: 0642277 Status: CLOSED > Last Updated: Sat, 12 OCT 2002 01:43:04 (-0400 GMT) PROBLEM > UPDATED > ************************************************** *********************** > > Summary: [Fwd: How Many People in this NewsGroup Think L.W.(Bill) ------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > RESP 10/12/02 01:43:05 > > Thank you for taking the time to inform us of this situation. > However, we cannot take any further action > until you provide us with the actual connection logs. > These connection logs will include the complete IP > address, date, time and time zone associated with the > abusive action. Only with this information can we > identify the responsible individual. > > Regards, > Postmaster > To find more information on filtering SPAM, please visit > http_//help.attbusiness.net/index.cfm > and type the word filter into the search engine. > If you feel we handled this incident improperly or require > assistance providing headers, please call 800-821-4612. > > ************************************************** *********************** > > > If replying via email, do not alter the reference id in the subject > line and send only new information, do not send entire note again. > Do not send attachments, graphics or images. -- "Jeeps can get up, and jeeps can also go down. Why can't Bill?" -- Nancy ------ III |
Re: Here's a Goodie! Re: Billy Huge's mental sluggishness
On this day of this month, in a year likely to be unrecorded in human
history, L.W.(Bill) ------ III bluffed very poorly. Cogent lines: > From: ABUSE@PRSERV.NET 10/11/06 10:43 PM Interesting date. > For Account: CSSEMAIL Incident Number: 0642277 Status: CLOSED > Last Updated: Sat, 12 OCT 2002 01:43:04 (-0400 GMT) PROBLEM The end of 2002; reported four years ago! States the acct. is closed? No, just that the complaint report has been closed! And it's a spam report, not abuse, as far as I can tell. > RESP 10/12/02 01:43:05 > > Thank you for taking the time to inform us of this situation. > However, we cannot take any further action > until you provide us with the actual connection logs. He informed them (whinged like a little gurrllll), but did not supply complete or useable data. No indication that Billy had anything whatsoever with the closing of this account. After FOUR years, it could have closed for any number of reasons. A squealing, bleating pig's comments are hardly gonna get anyone's account closed. Especially when..... > Only with this information can we > identify the responsible individual. they couldn't even identify the source of Billy's ire and sexual frustration. Yep. Loser. > From: ABUSE@PRSERV.NET 10/11/06 10:43 PM > Subject: [Fwd: How Many People in this NewsGroup > (REF:#_CSSEMAIL_0642277) > To: <----------@cox.net> > > An incident reported by you has been updated. Sev: 4 > The incident # is listed below. No need to respond to this e-mail. > For Account: CSSEMAIL Incident Number: 0642277 Status: CLOSED > Last Updated: Sat, 12 OCT 2002 01:43:04 (-0400 GMT) PROBLEM > UPDATED > ************************************************** *********************** > > Summary: [Fwd: How Many People in this NewsGroup Think L.W.(Bill) ------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > RESP 10/12/02 01:43:05 > > Thank you for taking the time to inform us of this situation. > However, we cannot take any further action > until you provide us with the actual connection logs. > These connection logs will include the complete IP > address, date, time and time zone associated with the > abusive action. Only with this information can we > identify the responsible individual. > > Regards, > Postmaster > To find more information on filtering SPAM, please visit > http_//help.attbusiness.net/index.cfm > and type the word filter into the search engine. > If you feel we handled this incident improperly or require > assistance providing headers, please call 800-821-4612. > > ************************************************** *********************** > > > If replying via email, do not alter the reference id in the subject > line and send only new information, do not send entire note again. > Do not send attachments, graphics or images. -- "Jeeps can get up, and jeeps can also go down. Why can't Bill?" -- Nancy ------ III |
Re: Here's a Goodie! Re: Billy Huge's mental sluggishness
On this day of this month, in a year likely to be unrecorded in human
history, L.W.(Bill) ------ III bluffed very poorly. Cogent lines: > From: ABUSE@PRSERV.NET 10/11/06 10:43 PM Interesting date. > For Account: CSSEMAIL Incident Number: 0642277 Status: CLOSED > Last Updated: Sat, 12 OCT 2002 01:43:04 (-0400 GMT) PROBLEM The end of 2002; reported four years ago! States the acct. is closed? No, just that the complaint report has been closed! And it's a spam report, not abuse, as far as I can tell. > RESP 10/12/02 01:43:05 > > Thank you for taking the time to inform us of this situation. > However, we cannot take any further action > until you provide us with the actual connection logs. He informed them (whinged like a little gurrllll), but did not supply complete or useable data. No indication that Billy had anything whatsoever with the closing of this account. After FOUR years, it could have closed for any number of reasons. A squealing, bleating pig's comments are hardly gonna get anyone's account closed. Especially when..... > Only with this information can we > identify the responsible individual. they couldn't even identify the source of Billy's ire and sexual frustration. Yep. Loser. > From: ABUSE@PRSERV.NET 10/11/06 10:43 PM > Subject: [Fwd: How Many People in this NewsGroup > (REF:#_CSSEMAIL_0642277) > To: <----------@cox.net> > > An incident reported by you has been updated. Sev: 4 > The incident # is listed below. No need to respond to this e-mail. > For Account: CSSEMAIL Incident Number: 0642277 Status: CLOSED > Last Updated: Sat, 12 OCT 2002 01:43:04 (-0400 GMT) PROBLEM > UPDATED > ************************************************** *********************** > > Summary: [Fwd: How Many People in this NewsGroup Think L.W.(Bill) ------ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > RESP 10/12/02 01:43:05 > > Thank you for taking the time to inform us of this situation. > However, we cannot take any further action > until you provide us with the actual connection logs. > These connection logs will include the complete IP > address, date, time and time zone associated with the > abusive action. Only with this information can we > identify the responsible individual. > > Regards, > Postmaster > To find more information on filtering SPAM, please visit > http_//help.attbusiness.net/index.cfm > and type the word filter into the search engine. > If you feel we handled this incident improperly or require > assistance providing headers, please call 800-821-4612. > > ************************************************** *********************** > > > If replying via email, do not alter the reference id in the subject > line and send only new information, do not send entire note again. > Do not send attachments, graphics or images. -- "Jeeps can get up, and jeeps can also go down. Why can't Bill?" -- Nancy ------ III |
Re: Here's a Goodie! Re: sluggishness in Hughes
On this day of this month, in a year likely to be unrecorded in human
history, L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > Keep it up I'm talking with internet.abuse@sjrb.ca whom monitors > your knoll on shaw.ca. Just a little more foul language and cross > posting and I'll add 24.86.24.251 to my keyboard. :-) Well, say "Hi!" for me...... Now: Chicken turkey duck chicken turkey duck chicken turkey duck chicken turkey duck. Crossposted fowl language. Hope it helps. BTW, you've been reporting me for how long now? Two-plus /years/? And all I've ever heard from my ISP is that they think /you/ are a jerk. Why is that, Billy? Any ideas? And why, every time you say you 'just need a few more posts' to shut someone down, you always get the posts, but still nothing happens? Ever? Why not, Billy, why not? -- "Jeeps can get up, and jeeps can also go down. Why can't Bill?" -- Nancy ------ III |
Re: Here's a Goodie! Re: sluggishness in Hughes
On this day of this month, in a year likely to be unrecorded in human
history, L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > Keep it up I'm talking with internet.abuse@sjrb.ca whom monitors > your knoll on shaw.ca. Just a little more foul language and cross > posting and I'll add 24.86.24.251 to my keyboard. :-) Well, say "Hi!" for me...... Now: Chicken turkey duck chicken turkey duck chicken turkey duck chicken turkey duck. Crossposted fowl language. Hope it helps. BTW, you've been reporting me for how long now? Two-plus /years/? And all I've ever heard from my ISP is that they think /you/ are a jerk. Why is that, Billy? Any ideas? And why, every time you say you 'just need a few more posts' to shut someone down, you always get the posts, but still nothing happens? Ever? Why not, Billy, why not? -- "Jeeps can get up, and jeeps can also go down. Why can't Bill?" -- Nancy ------ III |
Re: Here's a Goodie! Re: sluggishness in Hughes
On this day of this month, in a year likely to be unrecorded in human
history, L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote: > Keep it up I'm talking with internet.abuse@sjrb.ca whom monitors > your knoll on shaw.ca. Just a little more foul language and cross > posting and I'll add 24.86.24.251 to my keyboard. :-) Well, say "Hi!" for me...... Now: Chicken turkey duck chicken turkey duck chicken turkey duck chicken turkey duck. Crossposted fowl language. Hope it helps. BTW, you've been reporting me for how long now? Two-plus /years/? And all I've ever heard from my ISP is that they think /you/ are a jerk. Why is that, Billy? Any ideas? And why, every time you say you 'just need a few more posts' to shut someone down, you always get the posts, but still nothing happens? Ever? Why not, Billy, why not? -- "Jeeps can get up, and jeeps can also go down. Why can't Bill?" -- Nancy ------ III |
Re: Here's a Goodie! Re: Billy Huge's mental sluggishness
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Return-Path: <cssmast@mvsps1.vnet.ibm.com> Received: from e6.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.106]) by fed1mtai04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021012054309.TTMK16525.fed1mtai04.cox.net@e6.ny .us.ibm.com> for <----------@cox.net>; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 01:43:09 -0400 Received: from northrelay03.pok.ibm.com (northrelay03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.151]) by e6.ny.us.ibm.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9C5h9Dn037292 for <----------@cox.net>; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 01:43:09 -0400 Received: from BLDVMB.POK.IBM.COM (bldvmb.pok.ibm.com [9.117.222.139]) by northrelay03.pok.ibm.com (8.12.3/NCO/VER6.4) with ESMTP id g9C5h85F018760 for <----------%cox.net@vmnorthrelay.us.ibm.com>; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 01:43:08 -0400 Message-ID: <200210120543.g9C5h85F018760@northrelay03.pok.ibm. com> Received: by BLDVMB.POK.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP Level 320) via spool with SMTP id 5298 ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 23:42:59 MDT Date: Sat, 12 OCT 2002 01:43:04 (-0400 GMT) From: ABUSE@PRSERV.NET To: <----------@cox.net> CC: Subject: [Fwd: How Many People in this NewsGroup (REF:#_CSSEMAIL_0642277) X-Mozilla-Status: 9001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: <200210120543.g9C5h85F018760@northrelay03.pok.ibm. com> -- God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "§qu@r3 Wh33£s" <bubonic@germ.net> wrote in message news:DE4fh.469752$R63.421232@pd7urf1no... > On this day of this month, in a year likely to be unrecorded in human > history, L.W.(Bill) ------ III bluffed very poorly. > > Cogent lines: > > > From: ABUSE@PRSERV.NET 10/11/06 10:43 PM > > Interesting date. > > > > For Account: CSSEMAIL Incident Number: 0642277 Status: CLOSED > > Last Updated: Sat, 12 OCT 2002 01:43:04 (-0400 GMT) PROBLEM > > The end of 2002; reported four years ago! > > States the acct. is closed? No, just that the complaint report has been > closed! > > And it's a spam report, not abuse, as far as I can tell. > > > > RESP 10/12/02 01:43:05 > > > > Thank you for taking the time to inform us of this situation. > > However, we cannot take any further action > > until you provide us with the actual connection logs. > > He informed them (whinged like a little gurrllll), but did not supply > complete or useable data. > > No indication that Billy had anything whatsoever with the closing of this > account. After FOUR years, it could have closed for any number of reasons. > > A squealing, bleating pig's comments are hardly gonna get anyone's account > closed. Especially when..... > > > Only with this information can we > > identify the responsible individual. > > they couldn't even identify the source of Billy's ire and > sexual frustration. > > Yep. > > Loser. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
Re: Here's a Goodie! Re: Billy Huge's mental sluggishness
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Return-Path: <cssmast@mvsps1.vnet.ibm.com> Received: from e6.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.106]) by fed1mtai04.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021012054309.TTMK16525.fed1mtai04.cox.net@e6.ny .us.ibm.com> for <----------@cox.net>; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 01:43:09 -0400 Received: from northrelay03.pok.ibm.com (northrelay03.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.151]) by e6.ny.us.ibm.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g9C5h9Dn037292 for <----------@cox.net>; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 01:43:09 -0400 Received: from BLDVMB.POK.IBM.COM (bldvmb.pok.ibm.com [9.117.222.139]) by northrelay03.pok.ibm.com (8.12.3/NCO/VER6.4) with ESMTP id g9C5h85F018760 for <----------%cox.net@vmnorthrelay.us.ibm.com>; Sat, 12 Oct 2002 01:43:08 -0400 Message-ID: <200210120543.g9C5h85F018760@northrelay03.pok.ibm. com> Received: by BLDVMB.POK.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP Level 320) via spool with SMTP id 5298 ; Fri, 11 Oct 2002 23:42:59 MDT Date: Sat, 12 OCT 2002 01:43:04 (-0400 GMT) From: ABUSE@PRSERV.NET To: <----------@cox.net> CC: Subject: [Fwd: How Many People in this NewsGroup (REF:#_CSSEMAIL_0642277) X-Mozilla-Status: 9001 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-UIDL: <200210120543.g9C5h85F018760@northrelay03.pok.ibm. com> -- God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/ "§qu@r3 Wh33£s" <bubonic@germ.net> wrote in message news:DE4fh.469752$R63.421232@pd7urf1no... > On this day of this month, in a year likely to be unrecorded in human > history, L.W.(Bill) ------ III bluffed very poorly. > > Cogent lines: > > > From: ABUSE@PRSERV.NET 10/11/06 10:43 PM > > Interesting date. > > > > For Account: CSSEMAIL Incident Number: 0642277 Status: CLOSED > > Last Updated: Sat, 12 OCT 2002 01:43:04 (-0400 GMT) PROBLEM > > The end of 2002; reported four years ago! > > States the acct. is closed? No, just that the complaint report has been > closed! > > And it's a spam report, not abuse, as far as I can tell. > > > > RESP 10/12/02 01:43:05 > > > > Thank you for taking the time to inform us of this situation. > > However, we cannot take any further action > > until you provide us with the actual connection logs. > > He informed them (whinged like a little gurrllll), but did not supply > complete or useable data. > > No indication that Billy had anything whatsoever with the closing of this > account. After FOUR years, it could have closed for any number of reasons. > > A squealing, bleating pig's comments are hardly gonna get anyone's account > closed. Especially when..... > > > Only with this information can we > > identify the responsible individual. > > they couldn't even identify the source of Billy's ire and > sexual frustration. > > Yep. > > Loser. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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