CO2 Vs. Scuba tank?
12-08-2003, 10:45 AM
#61
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Re: CO2 Vs. Scuba tank?
They only pump fresh air. They have a piston activated by compression
but draw fresh air in the side to pump out.
Mike
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> On 07 Dec 2003 10:05 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:
>
> > There also is a unit named a 'chuffer' I think that you can put in a
> > spark plug socket on the head and it will act as an air pump powered
> > by your piston.
>
> I would be concerned about introducing fuel vapors into my tire, at the
> correct ratio for combustion, no less. Call me paranoid, I guess.
>
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but draw fresh air in the side to pump out.
Mike
Del Rawlins wrote:
>
> On 07 Dec 2003 10:05 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:
>
> > There also is a unit named a 'chuffer' I think that you can put in a
> > spark plug socket on the head and it will act as an air pump powered
> > by your piston.
>
> I would be concerned about introducing fuel vapors into my tire, at the
> correct ratio for combustion, no less. Call me paranoid, I guess.
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
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12-08-2003, 02:22 PM
#62
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Re: CO2 Vs. Scuba tank?
We had these things in the orchard, on every truck that had a tool box.
They were a backup for the refrigerant cylinders full of air.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FD49C83.FC8D1BBF@sympatico.ca...
> They only pump fresh air. They have a piston activated by compression
> but draw fresh air in the side to pump out.
>
> Mike
>
> Del Rawlins wrote:
> >
> > On 07 Dec 2003 10:05 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> >
> > > There also is a unit named a 'chuffer' I think that you can put in a
> > > spark plug socket on the head and it will act as an air pump powered
> > > by your piston.
> >
> > I would be concerned about introducing fuel vapors into my tire, at the
> > correct ratio for combustion, no less. Call me paranoid, I guess.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
They were a backup for the refrigerant cylinders full of air.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FD49C83.FC8D1BBF@sympatico.ca...
> They only pump fresh air. They have a piston activated by compression
> but draw fresh air in the side to pump out.
>
> Mike
>
> Del Rawlins wrote:
> >
> > On 07 Dec 2003 10:05 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> >
> > > There also is a unit named a 'chuffer' I think that you can put in a
> > > spark plug socket on the head and it will act as an air pump powered
> > > by your piston.
> >
> > I would be concerned about introducing fuel vapors into my tire, at the
> > correct ratio for combustion, no less. Call me paranoid, I guess.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
12-08-2003, 02:22 PM
#63
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Re: CO2 Vs. Scuba tank?
We had these things in the orchard, on every truck that had a tool box.
They were a backup for the refrigerant cylinders full of air.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FD49C83.FC8D1BBF@sympatico.ca...
> They only pump fresh air. They have a piston activated by compression
> but draw fresh air in the side to pump out.
>
> Mike
>
> Del Rawlins wrote:
> >
> > On 07 Dec 2003 10:05 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> >
> > > There also is a unit named a 'chuffer' I think that you can put in a
> > > spark plug socket on the head and it will act as an air pump powered
> > > by your piston.
> >
> > I would be concerned about introducing fuel vapors into my tire, at the
> > correct ratio for combustion, no less. Call me paranoid, I guess.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
They were a backup for the refrigerant cylinders full of air.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FD49C83.FC8D1BBF@sympatico.ca...
> They only pump fresh air. They have a piston activated by compression
> but draw fresh air in the side to pump out.
>
> Mike
>
> Del Rawlins wrote:
> >
> > On 07 Dec 2003 10:05 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> >
> > > There also is a unit named a 'chuffer' I think that you can put in a
> > > spark plug socket on the head and it will act as an air pump powered
> > > by your piston.
> >
> > I would be concerned about introducing fuel vapors into my tire, at the
> > correct ratio for combustion, no less. Call me paranoid, I guess.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
12-08-2003, 02:22 PM
#64
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Re: CO2 Vs. Scuba tank?
We had these things in the orchard, on every truck that had a tool box.
They were a backup for the refrigerant cylinders full of air.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FD49C83.FC8D1BBF@sympatico.ca...
> They only pump fresh air. They have a piston activated by compression
> but draw fresh air in the side to pump out.
>
> Mike
>
> Del Rawlins wrote:
> >
> > On 07 Dec 2003 10:05 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> >
> > > There also is a unit named a 'chuffer' I think that you can put in a
> > > spark plug socket on the head and it will act as an air pump powered
> > > by your piston.
> >
> > I would be concerned about introducing fuel vapors into my tire, at the
> > correct ratio for combustion, no less. Call me paranoid, I guess.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
They were a backup for the refrigerant cylinders full of air.
Earle
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3FD49C83.FC8D1BBF@sympatico.ca...
> They only pump fresh air. They have a piston activated by compression
> but draw fresh air in the side to pump out.
>
> Mike
>
> Del Rawlins wrote:
> >
> > On 07 Dec 2003 10:05 PM, Mike Romain posted the following:
> >
> > > There also is a unit named a 'chuffer' I think that you can put in a
> > > spark plug socket on the head and it will act as an air pump powered
> > > by your piston.
> >
> > I would be concerned about introducing fuel vapors into my tire, at the
> > correct ratio for combustion, no less. Call me paranoid, I guess.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Del Rawlins- del@_kills_spammers_rawlinsbrothers.org
> > Remove _kills_spammers_ to reply via email.
> > Unofficial Bearhawk FAQ website:
> > http://www.rawlinsbrothers.org/bhfaq/
12-08-2003, 08:05 PM
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Re: CO2 Vs. Scuba tank?
Paul Calman wrote:
> My main thing is I'm not exactly rolling in money these days, I quit a good
> job to become a student a year and a half ago, and it doesn't pay well .
> An O2 tank could be kept with the regulator off, and the safety cap on, but
> I wont do that with O2 because of the possible reactions with
> petrochemicals, fire danger, perhaps even oxidization of my tires.
> Compressed air in the same bottle still has drawbacks, and I would rather
> spend money on a compressor than a tank that I can't refill at home. It's
> just too easy to forget to go to town and get it filled, and it's a 70 mile
> round trip. Using my O2 tank is just not a worthwhile option, if I will only
> get 2 air-ups out of it.
> Now I have to balance fill-time Vs. cost. That 110V compressor at the parts
> store only draws 2A at 110v, but it only flows 1.2 Ft^2@Min, (that's funny,
> it's not a link). I have a 12V compressor that will air-up in 80 minutes,
> but will be shopping compressors in the up-to $150 range, probably after
> Christmas. I could deal with 1/2 hour to bring 4, 35x12.50x15 tires up, but
> 1.3 hours is a bit ridiculous.
> The belt-driven is not an option, I have a 455 Buick stuffed under the hood
> of a 68 Jeepster, not a lot of room in there, and I will soon swap out my
> 60A alt for a 130A I have on the shelf.
Hey, what about one of those foot-operated pumps? Cheap and cheerful,
and just think of the aerobic benefits!
> My main thing is I'm not exactly rolling in money these days, I quit a good
> job to become a student a year and a half ago, and it doesn't pay well .
> An O2 tank could be kept with the regulator off, and the safety cap on, but
> I wont do that with O2 because of the possible reactions with
> petrochemicals, fire danger, perhaps even oxidization of my tires.
> Compressed air in the same bottle still has drawbacks, and I would rather
> spend money on a compressor than a tank that I can't refill at home. It's
> just too easy to forget to go to town and get it filled, and it's a 70 mile
> round trip. Using my O2 tank is just not a worthwhile option, if I will only
> get 2 air-ups out of it.
> Now I have to balance fill-time Vs. cost. That 110V compressor at the parts
> store only draws 2A at 110v, but it only flows 1.2 Ft^2@Min, (that's funny,
> it's not a link). I have a 12V compressor that will air-up in 80 minutes,
> but will be shopping compressors in the up-to $150 range, probably after
> Christmas. I could deal with 1/2 hour to bring 4, 35x12.50x15 tires up, but
> 1.3 hours is a bit ridiculous.
> The belt-driven is not an option, I have a 455 Buick stuffed under the hood
> of a 68 Jeepster, not a lot of room in there, and I will soon swap out my
> 60A alt for a 130A I have on the shelf.
Hey, what about one of those foot-operated pumps? Cheap and cheerful,
and just think of the aerobic benefits!
12-08-2003, 08:05 PM
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Re: CO2 Vs. Scuba tank?
Paul Calman wrote:
> My main thing is I'm not exactly rolling in money these days, I quit a good
> job to become a student a year and a half ago, and it doesn't pay well .
> An O2 tank could be kept with the regulator off, and the safety cap on, but
> I wont do that with O2 because of the possible reactions with
> petrochemicals, fire danger, perhaps even oxidization of my tires.
> Compressed air in the same bottle still has drawbacks, and I would rather
> spend money on a compressor than a tank that I can't refill at home. It's
> just too easy to forget to go to town and get it filled, and it's a 70 mile
> round trip. Using my O2 tank is just not a worthwhile option, if I will only
> get 2 air-ups out of it.
> Now I have to balance fill-time Vs. cost. That 110V compressor at the parts
> store only draws 2A at 110v, but it only flows 1.2 Ft^2@Min, (that's funny,
> it's not a link). I have a 12V compressor that will air-up in 80 minutes,
> but will be shopping compressors in the up-to $150 range, probably after
> Christmas. I could deal with 1/2 hour to bring 4, 35x12.50x15 tires up, but
> 1.3 hours is a bit ridiculous.
> The belt-driven is not an option, I have a 455 Buick stuffed under the hood
> of a 68 Jeepster, not a lot of room in there, and I will soon swap out my
> 60A alt for a 130A I have on the shelf.
Hey, what about one of those foot-operated pumps? Cheap and cheerful,
and just think of the aerobic benefits!
> My main thing is I'm not exactly rolling in money these days, I quit a good
> job to become a student a year and a half ago, and it doesn't pay well .
> An O2 tank could be kept with the regulator off, and the safety cap on, but
> I wont do that with O2 because of the possible reactions with
> petrochemicals, fire danger, perhaps even oxidization of my tires.
> Compressed air in the same bottle still has drawbacks, and I would rather
> spend money on a compressor than a tank that I can't refill at home. It's
> just too easy to forget to go to town and get it filled, and it's a 70 mile
> round trip. Using my O2 tank is just not a worthwhile option, if I will only
> get 2 air-ups out of it.
> Now I have to balance fill-time Vs. cost. That 110V compressor at the parts
> store only draws 2A at 110v, but it only flows 1.2 Ft^2@Min, (that's funny,
> it's not a link). I have a 12V compressor that will air-up in 80 minutes,
> but will be shopping compressors in the up-to $150 range, probably after
> Christmas. I could deal with 1/2 hour to bring 4, 35x12.50x15 tires up, but
> 1.3 hours is a bit ridiculous.
> The belt-driven is not an option, I have a 455 Buick stuffed under the hood
> of a 68 Jeepster, not a lot of room in there, and I will soon swap out my
> 60A alt for a 130A I have on the shelf.
Hey, what about one of those foot-operated pumps? Cheap and cheerful,
and just think of the aerobic benefits!
12-08-2003, 08:05 PM
#67
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Re: CO2 Vs. Scuba tank?
Paul Calman wrote:
> My main thing is I'm not exactly rolling in money these days, I quit a good
> job to become a student a year and a half ago, and it doesn't pay well .
> An O2 tank could be kept with the regulator off, and the safety cap on, but
> I wont do that with O2 because of the possible reactions with
> petrochemicals, fire danger, perhaps even oxidization of my tires.
> Compressed air in the same bottle still has drawbacks, and I would rather
> spend money on a compressor than a tank that I can't refill at home. It's
> just too easy to forget to go to town and get it filled, and it's a 70 mile
> round trip. Using my O2 tank is just not a worthwhile option, if I will only
> get 2 air-ups out of it.
> Now I have to balance fill-time Vs. cost. That 110V compressor at the parts
> store only draws 2A at 110v, but it only flows 1.2 Ft^2@Min, (that's funny,
> it's not a link). I have a 12V compressor that will air-up in 80 minutes,
> but will be shopping compressors in the up-to $150 range, probably after
> Christmas. I could deal with 1/2 hour to bring 4, 35x12.50x15 tires up, but
> 1.3 hours is a bit ridiculous.
> The belt-driven is not an option, I have a 455 Buick stuffed under the hood
> of a 68 Jeepster, not a lot of room in there, and I will soon swap out my
> 60A alt for a 130A I have on the shelf.
Hey, what about one of those foot-operated pumps? Cheap and cheerful,
and just think of the aerobic benefits!
> My main thing is I'm not exactly rolling in money these days, I quit a good
> job to become a student a year and a half ago, and it doesn't pay well .
> An O2 tank could be kept with the regulator off, and the safety cap on, but
> I wont do that with O2 because of the possible reactions with
> petrochemicals, fire danger, perhaps even oxidization of my tires.
> Compressed air in the same bottle still has drawbacks, and I would rather
> spend money on a compressor than a tank that I can't refill at home. It's
> just too easy to forget to go to town and get it filled, and it's a 70 mile
> round trip. Using my O2 tank is just not a worthwhile option, if I will only
> get 2 air-ups out of it.
> Now I have to balance fill-time Vs. cost. That 110V compressor at the parts
> store only draws 2A at 110v, but it only flows 1.2 Ft^2@Min, (that's funny,
> it's not a link). I have a 12V compressor that will air-up in 80 minutes,
> but will be shopping compressors in the up-to $150 range, probably after
> Christmas. I could deal with 1/2 hour to bring 4, 35x12.50x15 tires up, but
> 1.3 hours is a bit ridiculous.
> The belt-driven is not an option, I have a 455 Buick stuffed under the hood
> of a 68 Jeepster, not a lot of room in there, and I will soon swap out my
> 60A alt for a 130A I have on the shelf.
Hey, what about one of those foot-operated pumps? Cheap and cheerful,
and just think of the aerobic benefits!
12-11-2003, 02:46 PM
#68
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Re: CO2 Vs. Scuba tank?
Here's a bit of info about CO2 tanks. This is by experience, not by
reading books...
First of all, CO2 at an avg temperature of 70F, changes state at apx
900 PSI or above (liquid to gas & vice-versa).
Secondly... If your Jeep's cab filled up with CO2, you would
DEFINITELY know. It doesn't have a smell per se, but rather, it has an
effect on your throat and nose. Remmeber when you drink a soda, and
you "burp through your nose"? Well that's what inhaling CO2 feels
like. It's not a fun thing. It's not particularly dangerous on the
short term but you'd get very annoyed very quickly!
As far as mounting ANY pressurized/liquified gas tank, I'd make sure
to point the butt-end of the tank towards a safe direction, most
likely towards the ground. Most accidents happen when the valve is
knocked loose and pressure is lost through that valve, which creates a
torpedo out of the tank, as someone pointed out.
Horizontal storage is "acceptable", though not preferred. However,
usage of the tank MUST BE DONE horizontally, otherwise your regulator
will be trying to depressurize liquid, and it doesn't like that too
much ;)
JP
PS: I am a homebrewer and I've used CO2 safely for about 10 years.
reading books...
First of all, CO2 at an avg temperature of 70F, changes state at apx
900 PSI or above (liquid to gas & vice-versa).
Secondly... If your Jeep's cab filled up with CO2, you would
DEFINITELY know. It doesn't have a smell per se, but rather, it has an
effect on your throat and nose. Remmeber when you drink a soda, and
you "burp through your nose"? Well that's what inhaling CO2 feels
like. It's not a fun thing. It's not particularly dangerous on the
short term but you'd get very annoyed very quickly!
As far as mounting ANY pressurized/liquified gas tank, I'd make sure
to point the butt-end of the tank towards a safe direction, most
likely towards the ground. Most accidents happen when the valve is
knocked loose and pressure is lost through that valve, which creates a
torpedo out of the tank, as someone pointed out.
Horizontal storage is "acceptable", though not preferred. However,
usage of the tank MUST BE DONE horizontally, otherwise your regulator
will be trying to depressurize liquid, and it doesn't like that too
much ;)
JP
PS: I am a homebrewer and I've used CO2 safely for about 10 years.
12-11-2003, 02:46 PM
#69
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Re: CO2 Vs. Scuba tank?
Here's a bit of info about CO2 tanks. This is by experience, not by
reading books...
First of all, CO2 at an avg temperature of 70F, changes state at apx
900 PSI or above (liquid to gas & vice-versa).
Secondly... If your Jeep's cab filled up with CO2, you would
DEFINITELY know. It doesn't have a smell per se, but rather, it has an
effect on your throat and nose. Remmeber when you drink a soda, and
you "burp through your nose"? Well that's what inhaling CO2 feels
like. It's not a fun thing. It's not particularly dangerous on the
short term but you'd get very annoyed very quickly!
As far as mounting ANY pressurized/liquified gas tank, I'd make sure
to point the butt-end of the tank towards a safe direction, most
likely towards the ground. Most accidents happen when the valve is
knocked loose and pressure is lost through that valve, which creates a
torpedo out of the tank, as someone pointed out.
Horizontal storage is "acceptable", though not preferred. However,
usage of the tank MUST BE DONE horizontally, otherwise your regulator
will be trying to depressurize liquid, and it doesn't like that too
much ;)
JP
PS: I am a homebrewer and I've used CO2 safely for about 10 years.
reading books...
First of all, CO2 at an avg temperature of 70F, changes state at apx
900 PSI or above (liquid to gas & vice-versa).
Secondly... If your Jeep's cab filled up with CO2, you would
DEFINITELY know. It doesn't have a smell per se, but rather, it has an
effect on your throat and nose. Remmeber when you drink a soda, and
you "burp through your nose"? Well that's what inhaling CO2 feels
like. It's not a fun thing. It's not particularly dangerous on the
short term but you'd get very annoyed very quickly!
As far as mounting ANY pressurized/liquified gas tank, I'd make sure
to point the butt-end of the tank towards a safe direction, most
likely towards the ground. Most accidents happen when the valve is
knocked loose and pressure is lost through that valve, which creates a
torpedo out of the tank, as someone pointed out.
Horizontal storage is "acceptable", though not preferred. However,
usage of the tank MUST BE DONE horizontally, otherwise your regulator
will be trying to depressurize liquid, and it doesn't like that too
much ;)
JP
PS: I am a homebrewer and I've used CO2 safely for about 10 years.
12-11-2003, 02:46 PM
#70
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Re: CO2 Vs. Scuba tank?
Here's a bit of info about CO2 tanks. This is by experience, not by
reading books...
First of all, CO2 at an avg temperature of 70F, changes state at apx
900 PSI or above (liquid to gas & vice-versa).
Secondly... If your Jeep's cab filled up with CO2, you would
DEFINITELY know. It doesn't have a smell per se, but rather, it has an
effect on your throat and nose. Remmeber when you drink a soda, and
you "burp through your nose"? Well that's what inhaling CO2 feels
like. It's not a fun thing. It's not particularly dangerous on the
short term but you'd get very annoyed very quickly!
As far as mounting ANY pressurized/liquified gas tank, I'd make sure
to point the butt-end of the tank towards a safe direction, most
likely towards the ground. Most accidents happen when the valve is
knocked loose and pressure is lost through that valve, which creates a
torpedo out of the tank, as someone pointed out.
Horizontal storage is "acceptable", though not preferred. However,
usage of the tank MUST BE DONE horizontally, otherwise your regulator
will be trying to depressurize liquid, and it doesn't like that too
much ;)
JP
PS: I am a homebrewer and I've used CO2 safely for about 10 years.
reading books...
First of all, CO2 at an avg temperature of 70F, changes state at apx
900 PSI or above (liquid to gas & vice-versa).
Secondly... If your Jeep's cab filled up with CO2, you would
DEFINITELY know. It doesn't have a smell per se, but rather, it has an
effect on your throat and nose. Remmeber when you drink a soda, and
you "burp through your nose"? Well that's what inhaling CO2 feels
like. It's not a fun thing. It's not particularly dangerous on the
short term but you'd get very annoyed very quickly!
As far as mounting ANY pressurized/liquified gas tank, I'd make sure
to point the butt-end of the tank towards a safe direction, most
likely towards the ground. Most accidents happen when the valve is
knocked loose and pressure is lost through that valve, which creates a
torpedo out of the tank, as someone pointed out.
Horizontal storage is "acceptable", though not preferred. However,
usage of the tank MUST BE DONE horizontally, otherwise your regulator
will be trying to depressurize liquid, and it doesn't like that too
much ;)
JP
PS: I am a homebrewer and I've used CO2 safely for about 10 years.