clutch or transmission trouble
02-25-2004, 08:37 AM
#41
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Re: clutch or transmission trouble
I was referring to the model of the Jeep... is it a 79? It would help if
you let us know exactly what you have (make, model, engine, transmission).
Your clutch is definitely not adjusted properly or the linkage is defective.
JimG
"sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:88f4ec61.0402242012.7a3c4eb1@posting.google.c om...
> > I suspect you have clutch issues not transmission. Does it grind when
> > trying to go into reverse at a standstill?
> >
>
> Most definitely... assuming I can even get it into gear. (I have
> been having to turn off the ignition and shift it with nothing running
> to get it to go in.)
>
>
> > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> >
> > That makes it a 79 model (or so), so there will not be any hydraulics
> > associated with the clutch.
>
> Yes but as I said, it is an aftermarket Centerforce III clutch, much
> newer than 79.
>
>
> It may just be a linkage adjustment. When you
> > release the clutch, where does it begin to catch in relation to the
> > floorboard?
>
> Not sure I understand your question. It is still engaged slightly
> even when the clutch is all the way depressed; I can't get it to
> disengage.
you let us know exactly what you have (make, model, engine, transmission).
Your clutch is definitely not adjusted properly or the linkage is defective.
JimG
"sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:88f4ec61.0402242012.7a3c4eb1@posting.google.c om...
> > I suspect you have clutch issues not transmission. Does it grind when
> > trying to go into reverse at a standstill?
> >
>
> Most definitely... assuming I can even get it into gear. (I have
> been having to turn off the ignition and shift it with nothing running
> to get it to go in.)
>
>
> > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> >
> > That makes it a 79 model (or so), so there will not be any hydraulics
> > associated with the clutch.
>
> Yes but as I said, it is an aftermarket Centerforce III clutch, much
> newer than 79.
>
>
> It may just be a linkage adjustment. When you
> > release the clutch, where does it begin to catch in relation to the
> > floorboard?
>
> Not sure I understand your question. It is still engaged slightly
> even when the clutch is all the way depressed; I can't get it to
> disengage.
02-25-2004, 08:37 AM
#42
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Posts: n/a
Re: clutch or transmission trouble
I was referring to the model of the Jeep... is it a 79? It would help if
you let us know exactly what you have (make, model, engine, transmission).
Your clutch is definitely not adjusted properly or the linkage is defective.
JimG
"sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:88f4ec61.0402242012.7a3c4eb1@posting.google.c om...
> > I suspect you have clutch issues not transmission. Does it grind when
> > trying to go into reverse at a standstill?
> >
>
> Most definitely... assuming I can even get it into gear. (I have
> been having to turn off the ignition and shift it with nothing running
> to get it to go in.)
>
>
> > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> >
> > That makes it a 79 model (or so), so there will not be any hydraulics
> > associated with the clutch.
>
> Yes but as I said, it is an aftermarket Centerforce III clutch, much
> newer than 79.
>
>
> It may just be a linkage adjustment. When you
> > release the clutch, where does it begin to catch in relation to the
> > floorboard?
>
> Not sure I understand your question. It is still engaged slightly
> even when the clutch is all the way depressed; I can't get it to
> disengage.
you let us know exactly what you have (make, model, engine, transmission).
Your clutch is definitely not adjusted properly or the linkage is defective.
JimG
"sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:88f4ec61.0402242012.7a3c4eb1@posting.google.c om...
> > I suspect you have clutch issues not transmission. Does it grind when
> > trying to go into reverse at a standstill?
> >
>
> Most definitely... assuming I can even get it into gear. (I have
> been having to turn off the ignition and shift it with nothing running
> to get it to go in.)
>
>
> > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> >
> > That makes it a 79 model (or so), so there will not be any hydraulics
> > associated with the clutch.
>
> Yes but as I said, it is an aftermarket Centerforce III clutch, much
> newer than 79.
>
>
> It may just be a linkage adjustment. When you
> > release the clutch, where does it begin to catch in relation to the
> > floorboard?
>
> Not sure I understand your question. It is still engaged slightly
> even when the clutch is all the way depressed; I can't get it to
> disengage.
02-25-2004, 08:37 AM
#43
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Posts: n/a
Re: clutch or transmission trouble
I was referring to the model of the Jeep... is it a 79? It would help if
you let us know exactly what you have (make, model, engine, transmission).
Your clutch is definitely not adjusted properly or the linkage is defective.
JimG
"sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:88f4ec61.0402242012.7a3c4eb1@posting.google.c om...
> > I suspect you have clutch issues not transmission. Does it grind when
> > trying to go into reverse at a standstill?
> >
>
> Most definitely... assuming I can even get it into gear. (I have
> been having to turn off the ignition and shift it with nothing running
> to get it to go in.)
>
>
> > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> >
> > That makes it a 79 model (or so), so there will not be any hydraulics
> > associated with the clutch.
>
> Yes but as I said, it is an aftermarket Centerforce III clutch, much
> newer than 79.
>
>
> It may just be a linkage adjustment. When you
> > release the clutch, where does it begin to catch in relation to the
> > floorboard?
>
> Not sure I understand your question. It is still engaged slightly
> even when the clutch is all the way depressed; I can't get it to
> disengage.
you let us know exactly what you have (make, model, engine, transmission).
Your clutch is definitely not adjusted properly or the linkage is defective.
JimG
"sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:88f4ec61.0402242012.7a3c4eb1@posting.google.c om...
> > I suspect you have clutch issues not transmission. Does it grind when
> > trying to go into reverse at a standstill?
> >
>
> Most definitely... assuming I can even get it into gear. (I have
> been having to turn off the ignition and shift it with nothing running
> to get it to go in.)
>
>
> > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> >
> > That makes it a 79 model (or so), so there will not be any hydraulics
> > associated with the clutch.
>
> Yes but as I said, it is an aftermarket Centerforce III clutch, much
> newer than 79.
>
>
> It may just be a linkage adjustment. When you
> > release the clutch, where does it begin to catch in relation to the
> > floorboard?
>
> Not sure I understand your question. It is still engaged slightly
> even when the clutch is all the way depressed; I can't get it to
> disengage.
02-25-2004, 12:19 PM
#44
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Re: clutch or transmission trouble
NV4500 uses hydraulics.
"JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:HvQ_b.196$yA1.12@news02.roc.ny...
> The OP said it was a "25 year old Jeep", which will not have a hydraulic
> clutch.
>
> JimG
>
> "jdarg" <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:R2Q_b.1054261$9p3.196040@news.easynews.com...
> > Clutch isn't releasing all the way. It's either a hydraulic problem (low
> > fluid, bad slave, bad master, etc.) or possibly the clutch disc
hanging-up
> > on the tranny input shaft because of rust, wear, etc. I had the latter
> > problem on my 94 when I first bought it - previous owner let it sit for
> > about a year which caused the clutch to "almost" disengage completely
> after
> > it warmed up. The tranny input shaft just needed a bit of grease to make
> > that disc slide well again. Working fine for almost two years since. 10K
> is
> > pretty soon to have issues with the clutch hanging up though unless
you've
> > been through lots of messy stuff or it wasn't done right the first time,
> so
> > I'd probably suspect hydraulic issues first.
> >
> > -jd
> >
> > "sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:88f4ec61.0402232000.2ac26e94@posting.google.c om...
> > > Over the last 2-3 days of moderate highway driving, my manual
> > > transmission jeep has gotten noticeably harder and harder to shift
> > > (not wanting to go into gear, especially the lower gears.) Yesterday,
> > > I was having to double, triple, and quadruple clutch just to get it
> > > to go into gear.
> > >
> > > Today I started it up and went to drive it, starting it on a level
> > > surface. In doing so I noticed that even when the clutch is all the
> > > way to the floor... the jeep is still pulling lightly forward in 1st
> > > and 2nd gear, and backward in reverse!
> > >
> > > Holy crap! It's not supposed to do that when the clutch is all the
> > > way in!!!
> > >
> > > I suspect I've probably got major transmission problems, but I thought
> > > I would ask here and see if there are any relatively simple
> > > quick-fixes I could try first, before I turn my wallet over to a
> > > transmission shop.
> > >
> > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> >
> >
>
>
"JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:HvQ_b.196$yA1.12@news02.roc.ny...
> The OP said it was a "25 year old Jeep", which will not have a hydraulic
> clutch.
>
> JimG
>
> "jdarg" <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:R2Q_b.1054261$9p3.196040@news.easynews.com...
> > Clutch isn't releasing all the way. It's either a hydraulic problem (low
> > fluid, bad slave, bad master, etc.) or possibly the clutch disc
hanging-up
> > on the tranny input shaft because of rust, wear, etc. I had the latter
> > problem on my 94 when I first bought it - previous owner let it sit for
> > about a year which caused the clutch to "almost" disengage completely
> after
> > it warmed up. The tranny input shaft just needed a bit of grease to make
> > that disc slide well again. Working fine for almost two years since. 10K
> is
> > pretty soon to have issues with the clutch hanging up though unless
you've
> > been through lots of messy stuff or it wasn't done right the first time,
> so
> > I'd probably suspect hydraulic issues first.
> >
> > -jd
> >
> > "sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:88f4ec61.0402232000.2ac26e94@posting.google.c om...
> > > Over the last 2-3 days of moderate highway driving, my manual
> > > transmission jeep has gotten noticeably harder and harder to shift
> > > (not wanting to go into gear, especially the lower gears.) Yesterday,
> > > I was having to double, triple, and quadruple clutch just to get it
> > > to go into gear.
> > >
> > > Today I started it up and went to drive it, starting it on a level
> > > surface. In doing so I noticed that even when the clutch is all the
> > > way to the floor... the jeep is still pulling lightly forward in 1st
> > > and 2nd gear, and backward in reverse!
> > >
> > > Holy crap! It's not supposed to do that when the clutch is all the
> > > way in!!!
> > >
> > > I suspect I've probably got major transmission problems, but I thought
> > > I would ask here and see if there are any relatively simple
> > > quick-fixes I could try first, before I turn my wallet over to a
> > > transmission shop.
> > >
> > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> >
> >
>
>
02-25-2004, 12:19 PM
#45
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Re: clutch or transmission trouble
NV4500 uses hydraulics.
"JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:HvQ_b.196$yA1.12@news02.roc.ny...
> The OP said it was a "25 year old Jeep", which will not have a hydraulic
> clutch.
>
> JimG
>
> "jdarg" <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:R2Q_b.1054261$9p3.196040@news.easynews.com...
> > Clutch isn't releasing all the way. It's either a hydraulic problem (low
> > fluid, bad slave, bad master, etc.) or possibly the clutch disc
hanging-up
> > on the tranny input shaft because of rust, wear, etc. I had the latter
> > problem on my 94 when I first bought it - previous owner let it sit for
> > about a year which caused the clutch to "almost" disengage completely
> after
> > it warmed up. The tranny input shaft just needed a bit of grease to make
> > that disc slide well again. Working fine for almost two years since. 10K
> is
> > pretty soon to have issues with the clutch hanging up though unless
you've
> > been through lots of messy stuff or it wasn't done right the first time,
> so
> > I'd probably suspect hydraulic issues first.
> >
> > -jd
> >
> > "sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:88f4ec61.0402232000.2ac26e94@posting.google.c om...
> > > Over the last 2-3 days of moderate highway driving, my manual
> > > transmission jeep has gotten noticeably harder and harder to shift
> > > (not wanting to go into gear, especially the lower gears.) Yesterday,
> > > I was having to double, triple, and quadruple clutch just to get it
> > > to go into gear.
> > >
> > > Today I started it up and went to drive it, starting it on a level
> > > surface. In doing so I noticed that even when the clutch is all the
> > > way to the floor... the jeep is still pulling lightly forward in 1st
> > > and 2nd gear, and backward in reverse!
> > >
> > > Holy crap! It's not supposed to do that when the clutch is all the
> > > way in!!!
> > >
> > > I suspect I've probably got major transmission problems, but I thought
> > > I would ask here and see if there are any relatively simple
> > > quick-fixes I could try first, before I turn my wallet over to a
> > > transmission shop.
> > >
> > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> >
> >
>
>
"JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:HvQ_b.196$yA1.12@news02.roc.ny...
> The OP said it was a "25 year old Jeep", which will not have a hydraulic
> clutch.
>
> JimG
>
> "jdarg" <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:R2Q_b.1054261$9p3.196040@news.easynews.com...
> > Clutch isn't releasing all the way. It's either a hydraulic problem (low
> > fluid, bad slave, bad master, etc.) or possibly the clutch disc
hanging-up
> > on the tranny input shaft because of rust, wear, etc. I had the latter
> > problem on my 94 when I first bought it - previous owner let it sit for
> > about a year which caused the clutch to "almost" disengage completely
> after
> > it warmed up. The tranny input shaft just needed a bit of grease to make
> > that disc slide well again. Working fine for almost two years since. 10K
> is
> > pretty soon to have issues with the clutch hanging up though unless
you've
> > been through lots of messy stuff or it wasn't done right the first time,
> so
> > I'd probably suspect hydraulic issues first.
> >
> > -jd
> >
> > "sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:88f4ec61.0402232000.2ac26e94@posting.google.c om...
> > > Over the last 2-3 days of moderate highway driving, my manual
> > > transmission jeep has gotten noticeably harder and harder to shift
> > > (not wanting to go into gear, especially the lower gears.) Yesterday,
> > > I was having to double, triple, and quadruple clutch just to get it
> > > to go into gear.
> > >
> > > Today I started it up and went to drive it, starting it on a level
> > > surface. In doing so I noticed that even when the clutch is all the
> > > way to the floor... the jeep is still pulling lightly forward in 1st
> > > and 2nd gear, and backward in reverse!
> > >
> > > Holy crap! It's not supposed to do that when the clutch is all the
> > > way in!!!
> > >
> > > I suspect I've probably got major transmission problems, but I thought
> > > I would ask here and see if there are any relatively simple
> > > quick-fixes I could try first, before I turn my wallet over to a
> > > transmission shop.
> > >
> > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> >
> >
>
>
02-25-2004, 12:19 PM
#46
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Posts: n/a
Re: clutch or transmission trouble
NV4500 uses hydraulics.
"JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:HvQ_b.196$yA1.12@news02.roc.ny...
> The OP said it was a "25 year old Jeep", which will not have a hydraulic
> clutch.
>
> JimG
>
> "jdarg" <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:R2Q_b.1054261$9p3.196040@news.easynews.com...
> > Clutch isn't releasing all the way. It's either a hydraulic problem (low
> > fluid, bad slave, bad master, etc.) or possibly the clutch disc
hanging-up
> > on the tranny input shaft because of rust, wear, etc. I had the latter
> > problem on my 94 when I first bought it - previous owner let it sit for
> > about a year which caused the clutch to "almost" disengage completely
> after
> > it warmed up. The tranny input shaft just needed a bit of grease to make
> > that disc slide well again. Working fine for almost two years since. 10K
> is
> > pretty soon to have issues with the clutch hanging up though unless
you've
> > been through lots of messy stuff or it wasn't done right the first time,
> so
> > I'd probably suspect hydraulic issues first.
> >
> > -jd
> >
> > "sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:88f4ec61.0402232000.2ac26e94@posting.google.c om...
> > > Over the last 2-3 days of moderate highway driving, my manual
> > > transmission jeep has gotten noticeably harder and harder to shift
> > > (not wanting to go into gear, especially the lower gears.) Yesterday,
> > > I was having to double, triple, and quadruple clutch just to get it
> > > to go into gear.
> > >
> > > Today I started it up and went to drive it, starting it on a level
> > > surface. In doing so I noticed that even when the clutch is all the
> > > way to the floor... the jeep is still pulling lightly forward in 1st
> > > and 2nd gear, and backward in reverse!
> > >
> > > Holy crap! It's not supposed to do that when the clutch is all the
> > > way in!!!
> > >
> > > I suspect I've probably got major transmission problems, but I thought
> > > I would ask here and see if there are any relatively simple
> > > quick-fixes I could try first, before I turn my wallet over to a
> > > transmission shop.
> > >
> > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> >
> >
>
>
"JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
news:HvQ_b.196$yA1.12@news02.roc.ny...
> The OP said it was a "25 year old Jeep", which will not have a hydraulic
> clutch.
>
> JimG
>
> "jdarg" <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:R2Q_b.1054261$9p3.196040@news.easynews.com...
> > Clutch isn't releasing all the way. It's either a hydraulic problem (low
> > fluid, bad slave, bad master, etc.) or possibly the clutch disc
hanging-up
> > on the tranny input shaft because of rust, wear, etc. I had the latter
> > problem on my 94 when I first bought it - previous owner let it sit for
> > about a year which caused the clutch to "almost" disengage completely
> after
> > it warmed up. The tranny input shaft just needed a bit of grease to make
> > that disc slide well again. Working fine for almost two years since. 10K
> is
> > pretty soon to have issues with the clutch hanging up though unless
you've
> > been through lots of messy stuff or it wasn't done right the first time,
> so
> > I'd probably suspect hydraulic issues first.
> >
> > -jd
> >
> > "sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:88f4ec61.0402232000.2ac26e94@posting.google.c om...
> > > Over the last 2-3 days of moderate highway driving, my manual
> > > transmission jeep has gotten noticeably harder and harder to shift
> > > (not wanting to go into gear, especially the lower gears.) Yesterday,
> > > I was having to double, triple, and quadruple clutch just to get it
> > > to go into gear.
> > >
> > > Today I started it up and went to drive it, starting it on a level
> > > surface. In doing so I noticed that even when the clutch is all the
> > > way to the floor... the jeep is still pulling lightly forward in 1st
> > > and 2nd gear, and backward in reverse!
> > >
> > > Holy crap! It's not supposed to do that when the clutch is all the
> > > way in!!!
> > >
> > > I suspect I've probably got major transmission problems, but I thought
> > > I would ask here and see if there are any relatively simple
> > > quick-fixes I could try first, before I turn my wallet over to a
> > > transmission shop.
> > >
> > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> >
> >
>
>
02-25-2004, 12:37 PM
#47
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Re: clutch or transmission trouble
Why?
Or better on what application?
I mean I just helped a guy put a Mustang engine and T5 in his Jeep and
no one could make the stock cable clutch work so I made him a stock CJ
clutch linkage that works like a dream.
If the guy wants the right answer, he should post what the heck he has.
Mike
jdarg wrote:
>
> NV4500 uses hydraulics.
>
> "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:HvQ_b.196$yA1.12@news02.roc.ny...
> > The OP said it was a "25 year old Jeep", which will not have a hydraulic
> > clutch.
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "jdarg" <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:R2Q_b.1054261$9p3.196040@news.easynews.com...
> > > Clutch isn't releasing all the way. It's either a hydraulic problem (low
> > > fluid, bad slave, bad master, etc.) or possibly the clutch disc
> hanging-up
> > > on the tranny input shaft because of rust, wear, etc. I had the latter
> > > problem on my 94 when I first bought it - previous owner let it sit for
> > > about a year which caused the clutch to "almost" disengage completely
> > after
> > > it warmed up. The tranny input shaft just needed a bit of grease to make
> > > that disc slide well again. Working fine for almost two years since. 10K
> > is
> > > pretty soon to have issues with the clutch hanging up though unless
> you've
> > > been through lots of messy stuff or it wasn't done right the first time,
> > so
> > > I'd probably suspect hydraulic issues first.
> > >
> > > -jd
> > >
> > > "sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:88f4ec61.0402232000.2ac26e94@posting.google.c om...
> > > > Over the last 2-3 days of moderate highway driving, my manual
> > > > transmission jeep has gotten noticeably harder and harder to shift
> > > > (not wanting to go into gear, especially the lower gears.) Yesterday,
> > > > I was having to double, triple, and quadruple clutch just to get it
> > > > to go into gear.
> > > >
> > > > Today I started it up and went to drive it, starting it on a level
> > > > surface. In doing so I noticed that even when the clutch is all the
> > > > way to the floor... the jeep is still pulling lightly forward in 1st
> > > > and 2nd gear, and backward in reverse!
> > > >
> > > > Holy crap! It's not supposed to do that when the clutch is all the
> > > > way in!!!
> > > >
> > > > I suspect I've probably got major transmission problems, but I thought
> > > > I would ask here and see if there are any relatively simple
> > > > quick-fixes I could try first, before I turn my wallet over to a
> > > > transmission shop.
> > > >
> > > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Or better on what application?
I mean I just helped a guy put a Mustang engine and T5 in his Jeep and
no one could make the stock cable clutch work so I made him a stock CJ
clutch linkage that works like a dream.
If the guy wants the right answer, he should post what the heck he has.
Mike
jdarg wrote:
>
> NV4500 uses hydraulics.
>
> "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:HvQ_b.196$yA1.12@news02.roc.ny...
> > The OP said it was a "25 year old Jeep", which will not have a hydraulic
> > clutch.
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "jdarg" <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:R2Q_b.1054261$9p3.196040@news.easynews.com...
> > > Clutch isn't releasing all the way. It's either a hydraulic problem (low
> > > fluid, bad slave, bad master, etc.) or possibly the clutch disc
> hanging-up
> > > on the tranny input shaft because of rust, wear, etc. I had the latter
> > > problem on my 94 when I first bought it - previous owner let it sit for
> > > about a year which caused the clutch to "almost" disengage completely
> > after
> > > it warmed up. The tranny input shaft just needed a bit of grease to make
> > > that disc slide well again. Working fine for almost two years since. 10K
> > is
> > > pretty soon to have issues with the clutch hanging up though unless
> you've
> > > been through lots of messy stuff or it wasn't done right the first time,
> > so
> > > I'd probably suspect hydraulic issues first.
> > >
> > > -jd
> > >
> > > "sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:88f4ec61.0402232000.2ac26e94@posting.google.c om...
> > > > Over the last 2-3 days of moderate highway driving, my manual
> > > > transmission jeep has gotten noticeably harder and harder to shift
> > > > (not wanting to go into gear, especially the lower gears.) Yesterday,
> > > > I was having to double, triple, and quadruple clutch just to get it
> > > > to go into gear.
> > > >
> > > > Today I started it up and went to drive it, starting it on a level
> > > > surface. In doing so I noticed that even when the clutch is all the
> > > > way to the floor... the jeep is still pulling lightly forward in 1st
> > > > and 2nd gear, and backward in reverse!
> > > >
> > > > Holy crap! It's not supposed to do that when the clutch is all the
> > > > way in!!!
> > > >
> > > > I suspect I've probably got major transmission problems, but I thought
> > > > I would ask here and see if there are any relatively simple
> > > > quick-fixes I could try first, before I turn my wallet over to a
> > > > transmission shop.
> > > >
> > > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
02-25-2004, 12:37 PM
#48
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: clutch or transmission trouble
Why?
Or better on what application?
I mean I just helped a guy put a Mustang engine and T5 in his Jeep and
no one could make the stock cable clutch work so I made him a stock CJ
clutch linkage that works like a dream.
If the guy wants the right answer, he should post what the heck he has.
Mike
jdarg wrote:
>
> NV4500 uses hydraulics.
>
> "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:HvQ_b.196$yA1.12@news02.roc.ny...
> > The OP said it was a "25 year old Jeep", which will not have a hydraulic
> > clutch.
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "jdarg" <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:R2Q_b.1054261$9p3.196040@news.easynews.com...
> > > Clutch isn't releasing all the way. It's either a hydraulic problem (low
> > > fluid, bad slave, bad master, etc.) or possibly the clutch disc
> hanging-up
> > > on the tranny input shaft because of rust, wear, etc. I had the latter
> > > problem on my 94 when I first bought it - previous owner let it sit for
> > > about a year which caused the clutch to "almost" disengage completely
> > after
> > > it warmed up. The tranny input shaft just needed a bit of grease to make
> > > that disc slide well again. Working fine for almost two years since. 10K
> > is
> > > pretty soon to have issues with the clutch hanging up though unless
> you've
> > > been through lots of messy stuff or it wasn't done right the first time,
> > so
> > > I'd probably suspect hydraulic issues first.
> > >
> > > -jd
> > >
> > > "sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:88f4ec61.0402232000.2ac26e94@posting.google.c om...
> > > > Over the last 2-3 days of moderate highway driving, my manual
> > > > transmission jeep has gotten noticeably harder and harder to shift
> > > > (not wanting to go into gear, especially the lower gears.) Yesterday,
> > > > I was having to double, triple, and quadruple clutch just to get it
> > > > to go into gear.
> > > >
> > > > Today I started it up and went to drive it, starting it on a level
> > > > surface. In doing so I noticed that even when the clutch is all the
> > > > way to the floor... the jeep is still pulling lightly forward in 1st
> > > > and 2nd gear, and backward in reverse!
> > > >
> > > > Holy crap! It's not supposed to do that when the clutch is all the
> > > > way in!!!
> > > >
> > > > I suspect I've probably got major transmission problems, but I thought
> > > > I would ask here and see if there are any relatively simple
> > > > quick-fixes I could try first, before I turn my wallet over to a
> > > > transmission shop.
> > > >
> > > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Or better on what application?
I mean I just helped a guy put a Mustang engine and T5 in his Jeep and
no one could make the stock cable clutch work so I made him a stock CJ
clutch linkage that works like a dream.
If the guy wants the right answer, he should post what the heck he has.
Mike
jdarg wrote:
>
> NV4500 uses hydraulics.
>
> "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:HvQ_b.196$yA1.12@news02.roc.ny...
> > The OP said it was a "25 year old Jeep", which will not have a hydraulic
> > clutch.
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "jdarg" <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:R2Q_b.1054261$9p3.196040@news.easynews.com...
> > > Clutch isn't releasing all the way. It's either a hydraulic problem (low
> > > fluid, bad slave, bad master, etc.) or possibly the clutch disc
> hanging-up
> > > on the tranny input shaft because of rust, wear, etc. I had the latter
> > > problem on my 94 when I first bought it - previous owner let it sit for
> > > about a year which caused the clutch to "almost" disengage completely
> > after
> > > it warmed up. The tranny input shaft just needed a bit of grease to make
> > > that disc slide well again. Working fine for almost two years since. 10K
> > is
> > > pretty soon to have issues with the clutch hanging up though unless
> you've
> > > been through lots of messy stuff or it wasn't done right the first time,
> > so
> > > I'd probably suspect hydraulic issues first.
> > >
> > > -jd
> > >
> > > "sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:88f4ec61.0402232000.2ac26e94@posting.google.c om...
> > > > Over the last 2-3 days of moderate highway driving, my manual
> > > > transmission jeep has gotten noticeably harder and harder to shift
> > > > (not wanting to go into gear, especially the lower gears.) Yesterday,
> > > > I was having to double, triple, and quadruple clutch just to get it
> > > > to go into gear.
> > > >
> > > > Today I started it up and went to drive it, starting it on a level
> > > > surface. In doing so I noticed that even when the clutch is all the
> > > > way to the floor... the jeep is still pulling lightly forward in 1st
> > > > and 2nd gear, and backward in reverse!
> > > >
> > > > Holy crap! It's not supposed to do that when the clutch is all the
> > > > way in!!!
> > > >
> > > > I suspect I've probably got major transmission problems, but I thought
> > > > I would ask here and see if there are any relatively simple
> > > > quick-fixes I could try first, before I turn my wallet over to a
> > > > transmission shop.
> > > >
> > > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
02-25-2004, 12:37 PM
#49
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: clutch or transmission trouble
Why?
Or better on what application?
I mean I just helped a guy put a Mustang engine and T5 in his Jeep and
no one could make the stock cable clutch work so I made him a stock CJ
clutch linkage that works like a dream.
If the guy wants the right answer, he should post what the heck he has.
Mike
jdarg wrote:
>
> NV4500 uses hydraulics.
>
> "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:HvQ_b.196$yA1.12@news02.roc.ny...
> > The OP said it was a "25 year old Jeep", which will not have a hydraulic
> > clutch.
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "jdarg" <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:R2Q_b.1054261$9p3.196040@news.easynews.com...
> > > Clutch isn't releasing all the way. It's either a hydraulic problem (low
> > > fluid, bad slave, bad master, etc.) or possibly the clutch disc
> hanging-up
> > > on the tranny input shaft because of rust, wear, etc. I had the latter
> > > problem on my 94 when I first bought it - previous owner let it sit for
> > > about a year which caused the clutch to "almost" disengage completely
> > after
> > > it warmed up. The tranny input shaft just needed a bit of grease to make
> > > that disc slide well again. Working fine for almost two years since. 10K
> > is
> > > pretty soon to have issues with the clutch hanging up though unless
> you've
> > > been through lots of messy stuff or it wasn't done right the first time,
> > so
> > > I'd probably suspect hydraulic issues first.
> > >
> > > -jd
> > >
> > > "sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:88f4ec61.0402232000.2ac26e94@posting.google.c om...
> > > > Over the last 2-3 days of moderate highway driving, my manual
> > > > transmission jeep has gotten noticeably harder and harder to shift
> > > > (not wanting to go into gear, especially the lower gears.) Yesterday,
> > > > I was having to double, triple, and quadruple clutch just to get it
> > > > to go into gear.
> > > >
> > > > Today I started it up and went to drive it, starting it on a level
> > > > surface. In doing so I noticed that even when the clutch is all the
> > > > way to the floor... the jeep is still pulling lightly forward in 1st
> > > > and 2nd gear, and backward in reverse!
> > > >
> > > > Holy crap! It's not supposed to do that when the clutch is all the
> > > > way in!!!
> > > >
> > > > I suspect I've probably got major transmission problems, but I thought
> > > > I would ask here and see if there are any relatively simple
> > > > quick-fixes I could try first, before I turn my wallet over to a
> > > > transmission shop.
> > > >
> > > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
Or better on what application?
I mean I just helped a guy put a Mustang engine and T5 in his Jeep and
no one could make the stock cable clutch work so I made him a stock CJ
clutch linkage that works like a dream.
If the guy wants the right answer, he should post what the heck he has.
Mike
jdarg wrote:
>
> NV4500 uses hydraulics.
>
> "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:HvQ_b.196$yA1.12@news02.roc.ny...
> > The OP said it was a "25 year old Jeep", which will not have a hydraulic
> > clutch.
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "jdarg" <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:R2Q_b.1054261$9p3.196040@news.easynews.com...
> > > Clutch isn't releasing all the way. It's either a hydraulic problem (low
> > > fluid, bad slave, bad master, etc.) or possibly the clutch disc
> hanging-up
> > > on the tranny input shaft because of rust, wear, etc. I had the latter
> > > problem on my 94 when I first bought it - previous owner let it sit for
> > > about a year which caused the clutch to "almost" disengage completely
> > after
> > > it warmed up. The tranny input shaft just needed a bit of grease to make
> > > that disc slide well again. Working fine for almost two years since. 10K
> > is
> > > pretty soon to have issues with the clutch hanging up though unless
> you've
> > > been through lots of messy stuff or it wasn't done right the first time,
> > so
> > > I'd probably suspect hydraulic issues first.
> > >
> > > -jd
> > >
> > > "sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:88f4ec61.0402232000.2ac26e94@posting.google.c om...
> > > > Over the last 2-3 days of moderate highway driving, my manual
> > > > transmission jeep has gotten noticeably harder and harder to shift
> > > > (not wanting to go into gear, especially the lower gears.) Yesterday,
> > > > I was having to double, triple, and quadruple clutch just to get it
> > > > to go into gear.
> > > >
> > > > Today I started it up and went to drive it, starting it on a level
> > > > surface. In doing so I noticed that even when the clutch is all the
> > > > way to the floor... the jeep is still pulling lightly forward in 1st
> > > > and 2nd gear, and backward in reverse!
> > > >
> > > > Holy crap! It's not supposed to do that when the clutch is all the
> > > > way in!!!
> > > >
> > > > I suspect I've probably got major transmission problems, but I thought
> > > > I would ask here and see if there are any relatively simple
> > > > quick-fixes I could try first, before I turn my wallet over to a
> > > > transmission shop.
> > > >
> > > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
02-25-2004, 02:41 PM
#50
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: clutch or transmission trouble
That manual transmission does not use hydraulics. It may be installed with
a clutch/bell housing that use hydraulics. The 79 CJ did not come original
with a hydraulic clutch.
The OP needs to give us some more information.
JimG
"jdarg" <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yO4%b.9286736$Of.1529235@news.easynews.com...
> NV4500 uses hydraulics.
>
> "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:HvQ_b.196$yA1.12@news02.roc.ny...
> > The OP said it was a "25 year old Jeep", which will not have a hydraulic
> > clutch.
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "jdarg" <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:R2Q_b.1054261$9p3.196040@news.easynews.com...
> > > Clutch isn't releasing all the way. It's either a hydraulic problem
(low
> > > fluid, bad slave, bad master, etc.) or possibly the clutch disc
> hanging-up
> > > on the tranny input shaft because of rust, wear, etc. I had the latter
> > > problem on my 94 when I first bought it - previous owner let it sit
for
> > > about a year which caused the clutch to "almost" disengage completely
> > after
> > > it warmed up. The tranny input shaft just needed a bit of grease to
make
> > > that disc slide well again. Working fine for almost two years since.
10K
> > is
> > > pretty soon to have issues with the clutch hanging up though unless
> you've
> > > been through lots of messy stuff or it wasn't done right the first
time,
> > so
> > > I'd probably suspect hydraulic issues first.
> > >
> > > -jd
> > >
> > > "sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:88f4ec61.0402232000.2ac26e94@posting.google.c om...
> > > > Over the last 2-3 days of moderate highway driving, my manual
> > > > transmission jeep has gotten noticeably harder and harder to shift
> > > > (not wanting to go into gear, especially the lower gears.)
Yesterday,
> > > > I was having to double, triple, and quadruple clutch just to get it
> > > > to go into gear.
> > > >
> > > > Today I started it up and went to drive it, starting it on a level
> > > > surface. In doing so I noticed that even when the clutch is all the
> > > > way to the floor... the jeep is still pulling lightly forward in
1st
> > > > and 2nd gear, and backward in reverse!
> > > >
> > > > Holy crap! It's not supposed to do that when the clutch is all the
> > > > way in!!!
> > > >
> > > > I suspect I've probably got major transmission problems, but I
thought
> > > > I would ask here and see if there are any relatively simple
> > > > quick-fixes I could try first, before I turn my wallet over to a
> > > > transmission shop.
> > > >
> > > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
a clutch/bell housing that use hydraulics. The 79 CJ did not come original
with a hydraulic clutch.
The OP needs to give us some more information.
JimG
"jdarg" <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:yO4%b.9286736$Of.1529235@news.easynews.com...
> NV4500 uses hydraulics.
>
> "JimG" <jimg@2muchspam.com> wrote in message
> news:HvQ_b.196$yA1.12@news02.roc.ny...
> > The OP said it was a "25 year old Jeep", which will not have a hydraulic
> > clutch.
> >
> > JimG
> >
> > "jdarg" <ruhle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:R2Q_b.1054261$9p3.196040@news.easynews.com...
> > > Clutch isn't releasing all the way. It's either a hydraulic problem
(low
> > > fluid, bad slave, bad master, etc.) or possibly the clutch disc
> hanging-up
> > > on the tranny input shaft because of rust, wear, etc. I had the latter
> > > problem on my 94 when I first bought it - previous owner let it sit
for
> > > about a year which caused the clutch to "almost" disengage completely
> > after
> > > it warmed up. The tranny input shaft just needed a bit of grease to
make
> > > that disc slide well again. Working fine for almost two years since.
10K
> > is
> > > pretty soon to have issues with the clutch hanging up though unless
> you've
> > > been through lots of messy stuff or it wasn't done right the first
time,
> > so
> > > I'd probably suspect hydraulic issues first.
> > >
> > > -jd
> > >
> > > "sm3gurpal" <elambeth@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:88f4ec61.0402232000.2ac26e94@posting.google.c om...
> > > > Over the last 2-3 days of moderate highway driving, my manual
> > > > transmission jeep has gotten noticeably harder and harder to shift
> > > > (not wanting to go into gear, especially the lower gears.)
Yesterday,
> > > > I was having to double, triple, and quadruple clutch just to get it
> > > > to go into gear.
> > > >
> > > > Today I started it up and went to drive it, starting it on a level
> > > > surface. In doing so I noticed that even when the clutch is all the
> > > > way to the floor... the jeep is still pulling lightly forward in
1st
> > > > and 2nd gear, and backward in reverse!
> > > >
> > > > Holy crap! It's not supposed to do that when the clutch is all the
> > > > way in!!!
> > > >
> > > > I suspect I've probably got major transmission problems, but I
thought
> > > > I would ask here and see if there are any relatively simple
> > > > quick-fixes I could try first, before I turn my wallet over to a
> > > > transmission shop.
> > > >
> > > > This is a 25 year old jeep, but the transmission and clutch (NV4500
> > > > and Centerforce III) are allegedly new as of 10,000 miles ago.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>