Being down a half quart of fluid or a tablespoon of water in the tranny
oil will cause the same symptoms.

But then again, they are describing the 'normal' cold shifting pattern
of any Jeep I have driven......

Warm them up and only reverse bitchs a bit.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

JimG wrote:
>
> What you have (and the OP) is a clutch not releasing all the way, which is
> opposite of a slipping clutch. When your clutch starts slipping, you will
> know; The rpm's will race with no acceleration.
>
> You either have low fluid and/or air in the system, or a bad slave/master
> cylinder. Just because the slave was replaced once, don't rule that out .
> Clutch warped, frozen pilot, not likely.
>
> JimG
>
> "none" wrote in message ...
> > Sounds like we have the same problem. I've got the 4 banger with the AX5
> > tranny. Mine is not fixed yet, but I'll tell you what I have thought
> > about and maybe get some help myself:
> >
> > Clutch slipping
> > Clutch warped
> > frozen pilot bearing
> > slave cylinder
> > low fluid
> > air in the system
> >
> > I tested the clutch slipping by turning off the engine and rolling down a
> > hill while "playing" with the clutch. It seemed to me that the clutch had
> > no play in it. It would either grab or not. So that kinda threw that
> > theory out the window. My slave cylinder was replaced by the previous
> > owner and also bled. So that should be fine. So my problem must be the
> > pilot bearing????
> >
> > Check some of these out
> >
> > Jason Halsey wrote:
> >> Hey all,
> >> Recently my 90 yj 5 speed has been acting up. It is very tough to shift
> >> into 1st gear every once in a while, and it grinds going into reverse.
> >> Any thoughts? What could be causing this?
> >> thanks
> >> jason

 

Being down a half quart of fluid or a tablespoon of water in the tranny
oil will cause the same symptoms.

But then again, they are describing the 'normal' cold shifting pattern
of any Jeep I have driven......

Warm them up and only reverse bitchs a bit.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

JimG wrote:
>
> What you have (and the OP) is a clutch not releasing all the way, which is
> opposite of a slipping clutch. When your clutch starts slipping, you will
> know; The rpm's will race with no acceleration.
>
> You either have low fluid and/or air in the system, or a bad slave/master
> cylinder. Just because the slave was replaced once, don't rule that out .
> Clutch warped, frozen pilot, not likely.
>
> JimG
>
> "none" wrote in message ...
> > Sounds like we have the same problem. I've got the 4 banger with the AX5
> > tranny. Mine is not fixed yet, but I'll tell you what I have thought
> > about and maybe get some help myself:
> >
> > Clutch slipping
> > Clutch warped
> > frozen pilot bearing
> > slave cylinder
> > low fluid
> > air in the system
> >
> > I tested the clutch slipping by turning off the engine and rolling down a
> > hill while "playing" with the clutch. It seemed to me that the clutch had
> > no play in it. It would either grab or not. So that kinda threw that
> > theory out the window. My slave cylinder was replaced by the previous
> > owner and also bled. So that should be fine. So my problem must be the
> > pilot bearing????
> >
> > Check some of these out
> >
> > Jason Halsey wrote:
> >> Hey all,
> >> Recently my 90 yj 5 speed has been acting up. It is very tough to shift
> >> into 1st gear every once in a while, and it grinds going into reverse.
> >> Any thoughts? What could be causing this?
> >> thanks
> >> jason

 

Hey mike now that you say that, have done anything about the stupid button
vent on top of tranny, when I was rerouting other vents I looked at that,
tried pulling the top of to put a line on it, but it wouldn't come. I
realise it is fairly high up, you'd have to be up to the door to get water
in it, but water doesn't stay flat when you go through it, so even water up
to frame might get in. Any solution?
Greg

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41824877.64AD1E9D@sympatico.ca...
> How is the fluid in it? Do you have the right fluid in it?
>
> If it is low, it can be bitchy to shift into 1st and rev.
>
> Same if you have gotten water in it. That will make it bitchy too. The
> Jeep transmissions don't have a high water vent, just a stupid button
> vent so it is possible to get water in them.
>
> Reverse always grinds a bit anyway if you don't put it into a forward
> gear first. Use 3rd or something first to settle down the tranny, then
> hit reverse.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Jason Halsey wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>> Recently my 90 yj 5 speed has been acting up. It is very tough to shift
>> into 1st gear every once in a while, and it grinds going into reverse.
>> Any
>> thoughts? What could be causing this?
>> thanks
>> jason

 

Hey mike now that you say that, have done anything about the stupid button
vent on top of tranny, when I was rerouting other vents I looked at that,
tried pulling the top of to put a line on it, but it wouldn't come. I
realise it is fairly high up, you'd have to be up to the door to get water
in it, but water doesn't stay flat when you go through it, so even water up
to frame might get in. Any solution?
Greg

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41824877.64AD1E9D@sympatico.ca...
> How is the fluid in it? Do you have the right fluid in it?
>
> If it is low, it can be bitchy to shift into 1st and rev.
>
> Same if you have gotten water in it. That will make it bitchy too. The
> Jeep transmissions don't have a high water vent, just a stupid button
> vent so it is possible to get water in them.
>
> Reverse always grinds a bit anyway if you don't put it into a forward
> gear first. Use 3rd or something first to settle down the tranny, then
> hit reverse.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Jason Halsey wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>> Recently my 90 yj 5 speed has been acting up. It is very tough to shift
>> into 1st gear every once in a while, and it grinds going into reverse.
>> Any
>> thoughts? What could be causing this?
>> thanks
>> jason

 

Hey mike now that you say that, have done anything about the stupid button
vent on top of tranny, when I was rerouting other vents I looked at that,
tried pulling the top of to put a line on it, but it wouldn't come. I
realise it is fairly high up, you'd have to be up to the door to get water
in it, but water doesn't stay flat when you go through it, so even water up
to frame might get in. Any solution?
Greg

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41824877.64AD1E9D@sympatico.ca...
> How is the fluid in it? Do you have the right fluid in it?
>
> If it is low, it can be bitchy to shift into 1st and rev.
>
> Same if you have gotten water in it. That will make it bitchy too. The
> Jeep transmissions don't have a high water vent, just a stupid button
> vent so it is possible to get water in them.
>
> Reverse always grinds a bit anyway if you don't put it into a forward
> gear first. Use 3rd or something first to settle down the tranny, then
> hit reverse.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Jason Halsey wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>> Recently my 90 yj 5 speed has been acting up. It is very tough to shift
>> into 1st gear every once in a while, and it grinds going into reverse.
>> Any
>> thoughts? What could be causing this?
>> thanks
>> jason

 

On my Borg Warner T5, the vent was just a plastic tube with the button
on the end.

I took the top off the shifter and managed to pull the plastic stub tube
out. I then used a piece of 5/16 steel gas line about 3" long for a
hose nipple. The gas line fit exact and I had to tap it a bit with a
hammer to get it in. I still used a little skim of JB weld just to make
sure it wouldn't leak. I ran the tube up near the battery top.

I don't know about where the original poster wheels, but in our Canadian
bush the beavers are always radically changing water levels and a
crossing can go from a culvert under the road to 3' or 4' on top easily.

The last time we went camping, the beavers had raised the water up over
my 33's on the main trail in. I hooked a back wheel off the edge and
the water was over my tail lights. I commonly have crossed to the
bottom of my headlights or 42" of standing water. If I stop, that water
will rise all over. I have gotten a wet butt... How high is that
button from the ground?

Mike



Greg wrote:
>
> Hey mike now that you say that, have done anything about the stupid button
> vent on top of tranny, when I was rerouting other vents I looked at that,
> tried pulling the top of to put a line on it, but it wouldn't come. I
> realise it is fairly high up, you'd have to be up to the door to get water
> in it, but water doesn't stay flat when you go through it, so even water up
> to frame might get in. Any solution?
> Greg
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41824877.64AD1E9D@sympatico.ca...
> > How is the fluid in it? Do you have the right fluid in it?
> >
> > If it is low, it can be bitchy to shift into 1st and rev.
> >
> > Same if you have gotten water in it. That will make it bitchy too. The
> > Jeep transmissions don't have a high water vent, just a stupid button
> > vent so it is possible to get water in them.
> >
> > Reverse always grinds a bit anyway if you don't put it into a forward
> > gear first. Use 3rd or something first to settle down the tranny, then
> > hit reverse.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Jason Halsey wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey all,
> >> Recently my 90 yj 5 speed has been acting up. It is very tough to shift
> >> into 1st gear every once in a while, and it grinds going into reverse.
> >> Any
> >> thoughts? What could be causing this?
> >> thanks
> >> jason

 

On my Borg Warner T5, the vent was just a plastic tube with the button
on the end.

I took the top off the shifter and managed to pull the plastic stub tube
out. I then used a piece of 5/16 steel gas line about 3" long for a
hose nipple. The gas line fit exact and I had to tap it a bit with a
hammer to get it in. I still used a little skim of JB weld just to make
sure it wouldn't leak. I ran the tube up near the battery top.

I don't know about where the original poster wheels, but in our Canadian
bush the beavers are always radically changing water levels and a
crossing can go from a culvert under the road to 3' or 4' on top easily.

The last time we went camping, the beavers had raised the water up over
my 33's on the main trail in. I hooked a back wheel off the edge and
the water was over my tail lights. I commonly have crossed to the
bottom of my headlights or 42" of standing water. If I stop, that water
will rise all over. I have gotten a wet butt... How high is that
button from the ground?

Mike



Greg wrote:
>
> Hey mike now that you say that, have done anything about the stupid button
> vent on top of tranny, when I was rerouting other vents I looked at that,
> tried pulling the top of to put a line on it, but it wouldn't come. I
> realise it is fairly high up, you'd have to be up to the door to get water
> in it, but water doesn't stay flat when you go through it, so even water up
> to frame might get in. Any solution?
> Greg
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41824877.64AD1E9D@sympatico.ca...
> > How is the fluid in it? Do you have the right fluid in it?
> >
> > If it is low, it can be bitchy to shift into 1st and rev.
> >
> > Same if you have gotten water in it. That will make it bitchy too. The
> > Jeep transmissions don't have a high water vent, just a stupid button
> > vent so it is possible to get water in them.
> >
> > Reverse always grinds a bit anyway if you don't put it into a forward
> > gear first. Use 3rd or something first to settle down the tranny, then
> > hit reverse.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Jason Halsey wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey all,
> >> Recently my 90 yj 5 speed has been acting up. It is very tough to shift
> >> into 1st gear every once in a while, and it grinds going into reverse.
> >> Any
> >> thoughts? What could be causing this?
> >> thanks
> >> jason

 

On my Borg Warner T5, the vent was just a plastic tube with the button
on the end.

I took the top off the shifter and managed to pull the plastic stub tube
out. I then used a piece of 5/16 steel gas line about 3" long for a
hose nipple. The gas line fit exact and I had to tap it a bit with a
hammer to get it in. I still used a little skim of JB weld just to make
sure it wouldn't leak. I ran the tube up near the battery top.

I don't know about where the original poster wheels, but in our Canadian
bush the beavers are always radically changing water levels and a
crossing can go from a culvert under the road to 3' or 4' on top easily.

The last time we went camping, the beavers had raised the water up over
my 33's on the main trail in. I hooked a back wheel off the edge and
the water was over my tail lights. I commonly have crossed to the
bottom of my headlights or 42" of standing water. If I stop, that water
will rise all over. I have gotten a wet butt... How high is that
button from the ground?

Mike



Greg wrote:
>
> Hey mike now that you say that, have done anything about the stupid button
> vent on top of tranny, when I was rerouting other vents I looked at that,
> tried pulling the top of to put a line on it, but it wouldn't come. I
> realise it is fairly high up, you'd have to be up to the door to get water
> in it, but water doesn't stay flat when you go through it, so even water up
> to frame might get in. Any solution?
> Greg
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41824877.64AD1E9D@sympatico.ca...
> > How is the fluid in it? Do you have the right fluid in it?
> >
> > If it is low, it can be bitchy to shift into 1st and rev.
> >
> > Same if you have gotten water in it. That will make it bitchy too. The
> > Jeep transmissions don't have a high water vent, just a stupid button
> > vent so it is possible to get water in them.
> >
> > Reverse always grinds a bit anyway if you don't put it into a forward
> > gear first. Use 3rd or something first to settle down the tranny, then
> > hit reverse.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Jason Halsey wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey all,
> >> Recently my 90 yj 5 speed has been acting up. It is very tough to shift
> >> into 1st gear every once in a while, and it grinds going into reverse.
> >> Any
> >> thoughts? What could be causing this?
> >> thanks
> >> jason

 

Mines the AX15, remember, I'm the one that everyone asks why I put an AX15
in. Anyway 81 CJ7 with 5" of lift and 33" BFGs, so don't know how high that
is to vent, probably about level with floor, October on the west coast, I'm
not going out to meassure. One thing about our weather, you can always count
on rain and high wind for halloween.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4182741F.56257D@sympatico.ca...
> On my Borg Warner T5, the vent was just a plastic tube with the button
> on the end.
>
> I took the top off the shifter and managed to pull the plastic stub tube
> out. I then used a piece of 5/16 steel gas line about 3" long for a
> hose nipple. The gas line fit exact and I had to tap it a bit with a
> hammer to get it in. I still used a little skim of JB weld just to make
> sure it wouldn't leak. I ran the tube up near the battery top.
>
> I don't know about where the original poster wheels, but in our Canadian
> bush the beavers are always radically changing water levels and a
> crossing can go from a culvert under the road to 3' or 4' on top easily.
>
> The last time we went camping, the beavers had raised the water up over
> my 33's on the main trail in. I hooked a back wheel off the edge and
> the water was over my tail lights. I commonly have crossed to the
> bottom of my headlights or 42" of standing water. If I stop, that water
> will rise all over. I have gotten a wet butt... How high is that
> button from the ground?
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Greg wrote:
>>
>> Hey mike now that you say that, have done anything about the stupid
>> button
>> vent on top of tranny, when I was rerouting other vents I looked at that,
>> tried pulling the top of to put a line on it, but it wouldn't come. I
>> realise it is fairly high up, you'd have to be up to the door to get
>> water
>> in it, but water doesn't stay flat when you go through it, so even water
>> up
>> to frame might get in. Any solution?
>> Greg
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:41824877.64AD1E9D@sympatico.ca...
>> > How is the fluid in it? Do you have the right fluid in it?
>> >
>> > If it is low, it can be bitchy to shift into 1st and rev.
>> >
>> > Same if you have gotten water in it. That will make it bitchy too.
>> > The
>> > Jeep transmissions don't have a high water vent, just a stupid button
>> > vent so it is possible to get water in them.
>> >
>> > Reverse always grinds a bit anyway if you don't put it into a forward
>> > gear first. Use 3rd or something first to settle down the tranny, then
>> > hit reverse.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Jason Halsey wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey all,
>> >> Recently my 90 yj 5 speed has been acting up. It is very tough to
>> >> shift
>> >> into 1st gear every once in a while, and it grinds going into reverse.
>> >> Any
>> >> thoughts? What could be causing this?
>> >> thanks
>> >> jason

 

Mines the AX15, remember, I'm the one that everyone asks why I put an AX15
in. Anyway 81 CJ7 with 5" of lift and 33" BFGs, so don't know how high that
is to vent, probably about level with floor, October on the west coast, I'm
not going out to meassure. One thing about our weather, you can always count
on rain and high wind for halloween.

"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:4182741F.56257D@sympatico.ca...
> On my Borg Warner T5, the vent was just a plastic tube with the button
> on the end.
>
> I took the top off the shifter and managed to pull the plastic stub tube
> out. I then used a piece of 5/16 steel gas line about 3" long for a
> hose nipple. The gas line fit exact and I had to tap it a bit with a
> hammer to get it in. I still used a little skim of JB weld just to make
> sure it wouldn't leak. I ran the tube up near the battery top.
>
> I don't know about where the original poster wheels, but in our Canadian
> bush the beavers are always radically changing water levels and a
> crossing can go from a culvert under the road to 3' or 4' on top easily.
>
> The last time we went camping, the beavers had raised the water up over
> my 33's on the main trail in. I hooked a back wheel off the edge and
> the water was over my tail lights. I commonly have crossed to the
> bottom of my headlights or 42" of standing water. If I stop, that water
> will rise all over. I have gotten a wet butt... How high is that
> button from the ground?
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Greg wrote:
>>
>> Hey mike now that you say that, have done anything about the stupid
>> button
>> vent on top of tranny, when I was rerouting other vents I looked at that,
>> tried pulling the top of to put a line on it, but it wouldn't come. I
>> realise it is fairly high up, you'd have to be up to the door to get
>> water
>> in it, but water doesn't stay flat when you go through it, so even water
>> up
>> to frame might get in. Any solution?
>> Greg
>>
>> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
>> news:41824877.64AD1E9D@sympatico.ca...
>> > How is the fluid in it? Do you have the right fluid in it?
>> >
>> > If it is low, it can be bitchy to shift into 1st and rev.
>> >
>> > Same if you have gotten water in it. That will make it bitchy too.
>> > The
>> > Jeep transmissions don't have a high water vent, just a stupid button
>> > vent so it is possible to get water in them.
>> >
>> > Reverse always grinds a bit anyway if you don't put it into a forward
>> > gear first. Use 3rd or something first to settle down the tranny, then
>> > hit reverse.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
>> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>> >
>> > Jason Halsey wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey all,
>> >> Recently my 90 yj 5 speed has been acting up. It is very tough to
>> >> shift
>> >> into 1st gear every once in a while, and it grinds going into reverse.
>> >> Any
>> >> thoughts? What could be causing this?
>> >> thanks
>> >> jason