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On Feb 27, 6:43 pm, "L.W. \(Bill\) ------ III" <billhug...@***.net>
wrote:
> Push the line down so as the remove the air from that loop, and bleed
> from the master cylinder, too.
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>
>
> > I haven't driven it enough to ever have to add fluid. I have replaced
> > the clutch end to end in the last few weeks. I replaced the slave,
> > clutch disk, pilot bearing, and pressure plate in one weekend,
> > replaced the master the next weekend, then replaced the hose this last
> > weekend. I haven't been driving during that time recently because of
> > the clutch issue (and it is not my daily driver). I may have gotten a
> > bad master, but I don't know how to tell. I could take the master
> > back to the parts store and try a new one, but I wondered if it
> > sounded like anything else. Especially the way the hose was slapping
> > against the body of the jeep. That seemed odd to me.
>
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I don't follow on how to bleed from the master cylinder or how to go
about pushing down the loop. Care to expand on those suggestions?

Thanks

wbowlin@gmail.com

On Feb 27, 9:40 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> wbow...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 27, 12:44 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> From the details you give, I have to ask: did you flush the whole system?
> >> Reason I ask is that I had a used slave/master set when I swapped out the
> >> internal slave and the master finally gave up a couple of years later. I
> >> installed a new master, let it bleed itself ( the external slave will do a
> >> pretty good job of self bleed in half an hour or so since there is no
> >> residual pressure like a brake system has). Six months later, I sometimes
> >> had a good clutch, sometimes could get it to work by pumping like mad, and
> >> a couple of times came home shifting w/o a clutch. When I pulled the
> >> master, it was full of black gunk that was messing up the rubber valve in
> >> the end of the cylinder and not letting the master prime itself -
> >> sometimes.
>
> >> One thing you never mentioned: do you have to add fluid every so often?
> >> If so, you have a leak somewhere otherwise you have a poltergeist on your
> >> case.
>
> >> --
> >> Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com>
>
> > I haven't driven it enough to ever have to add fluid. I have replaced
> > the clutch end to end in the last few weeks. I replaced the slave,
> > clutch disk, pilot bearing, and pressure plate in one weekend,
> > replaced the master the next weekend, then replaced the hose this last
> > weekend. I haven't been driving during that time recently because of
> > the clutch issue (and it is not my daily driver). I may have gotten a
> > bad master, but I don't know how to tell. I could take the master
> > back to the parts store and try a new one, but I wondered if it
> > sounded like anything else. Especially the way the hose was slapping
> > against the body of the jeep. That seemed odd to me.
>
> Any chance the exhaust is too close to the clutch line?
>
> Any chance the exhaust or the header bellows has a (that) crack in it
> blowing a stream of superheated exhaust air at the clutch line?
>
> Any soot marks on the old parts?
>
> Was the hydraulic fluid the right kind and out of a freshly opened
> bottle? Brake fluid can absorb an amazing amount of water which then
> lowers the boiling point of the fluid 'way' down.
>
> I am thinking your clutch fluid is boiling maybe....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

I don't think it is boiling. The line is not close to the exhaust. I
will drive it around some more and make sure the line is not hot when
it starts acting up. I have flushed the old fluid out in order to
eliminate old fluid as the problem.

wbowlin@gmail.com

On Feb 27, 9:40 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> wbow...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 27, 12:44 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> From the details you give, I have to ask: did you flush the whole system?
> >> Reason I ask is that I had a used slave/master set when I swapped out the
> >> internal slave and the master finally gave up a couple of years later. I
> >> installed a new master, let it bleed itself ( the external slave will do a
> >> pretty good job of self bleed in half an hour or so since there is no
> >> residual pressure like a brake system has). Six months later, I sometimes
> >> had a good clutch, sometimes could get it to work by pumping like mad, and
> >> a couple of times came home shifting w/o a clutch. When I pulled the
> >> master, it was full of black gunk that was messing up the rubber valve in
> >> the end of the cylinder and not letting the master prime itself -
> >> sometimes.
>
> >> One thing you never mentioned: do you have to add fluid every so often?
> >> If so, you have a leak somewhere otherwise you have a poltergeist on your
> >> case.
>
> >> --
> >> Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com>
>
> > I haven't driven it enough to ever have to add fluid. I have replaced
> > the clutch end to end in the last few weeks. I replaced the slave,
> > clutch disk, pilot bearing, and pressure plate in one weekend,
> > replaced the master the next weekend, then replaced the hose this last
> > weekend. I haven't been driving during that time recently because of
> > the clutch issue (and it is not my daily driver). I may have gotten a
> > bad master, but I don't know how to tell. I could take the master
> > back to the parts store and try a new one, but I wondered if it
> > sounded like anything else. Especially the way the hose was slapping
> > against the body of the jeep. That seemed odd to me.
>
> Any chance the exhaust is too close to the clutch line?
>
> Any chance the exhaust or the header bellows has a (that) crack in it
> blowing a stream of superheated exhaust air at the clutch line?
>
> Any soot marks on the old parts?
>
> Was the hydraulic fluid the right kind and out of a freshly opened
> bottle? Brake fluid can absorb an amazing amount of water which then
> lowers the boiling point of the fluid 'way' down.
>
> I am thinking your clutch fluid is boiling maybe....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

I don't think it is boiling. The line is not close to the exhaust. I
will drive it around some more and make sure the line is not hot when
it starts acting up. I have flushed the old fluid out in order to
eliminate old fluid as the problem.

wbowlin@gmail.com

On Feb 27, 9:40 am, Mike Romain <roma...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> wbow...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Feb 27, 12:44 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> From the details you give, I have to ask: did you flush the whole system?
> >> Reason I ask is that I had a used slave/master set when I swapped out the
> >> internal slave and the master finally gave up a couple of years later. I
> >> installed a new master, let it bleed itself ( the external slave will do a
> >> pretty good job of self bleed in half an hour or so since there is no
> >> residual pressure like a brake system has). Six months later, I sometimes
> >> had a good clutch, sometimes could get it to work by pumping like mad, and
> >> a couple of times came home shifting w/o a clutch. When I pulled the
> >> master, it was full of black gunk that was messing up the rubber valve in
> >> the end of the cylinder and not letting the master prime itself -
> >> sometimes.
>
> >> One thing you never mentioned: do you have to add fluid every so often?
> >> If so, you have a leak somewhere otherwise you have a poltergeist on your
> >> case.
>
> >> --
> >> Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com>
>
> > I haven't driven it enough to ever have to add fluid. I have replaced
> > the clutch end to end in the last few weeks. I replaced the slave,
> > clutch disk, pilot bearing, and pressure plate in one weekend,
> > replaced the master the next weekend, then replaced the hose this last
> > weekend. I haven't been driving during that time recently because of
> > the clutch issue (and it is not my daily driver). I may have gotten a
> > bad master, but I don't know how to tell. I could take the master
> > back to the parts store and try a new one, but I wondered if it
> > sounded like anything else. Especially the way the hose was slapping
> > against the body of the jeep. That seemed odd to me.
>
> Any chance the exhaust is too close to the clutch line?
>
> Any chance the exhaust or the header bellows has a (that) crack in it
> blowing a stream of superheated exhaust air at the clutch line?
>
> Any soot marks on the old parts?
>
> Was the hydraulic fluid the right kind and out of a freshly opened
> bottle? Brake fluid can absorb an amazing amount of water which then
> lowers the boiling point of the fluid 'way' down.
>
> I am thinking your clutch fluid is boiling maybe....
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
> Jan/06http://www.imagestation.com/album/pictures.html?id=2115147590
> (More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

I don't think it is boiling. The line is not close to the exhaust. I
will drive it around some more and make sure the line is not hot when
it starts acting up. I have flushed the old fluid out in order to
eliminate old fluid as the problem.

wbowlin@gmail.com

On Feb 27, 12:44 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From the details you give, I have to ask: did you flush the whole system?
> Reason I ask is that I had a used slave/master set when I swapped out the
> internal slave and the master finally gave up a couple of years later. I
> installed a new master, let it bleed itself ( the external slave will do a
> pretty good job of self bleed in half an hour or so since there is no
> residual pressure like a brake system has). Six months later, I sometimes
> had a good clutch, sometimes could get it to work by pumping like mad, and
> a couple of times came home shifting w/o a clutch. When I pulled the
> master, it was full of black gunk that was messing up the rubber valve in
> the end of the cylinder and not letting the master prime itself -
> sometimes.
>
> One thing you never mentioned: do you have to add fluid every so often?
> If so, you have a leak somewhere otherwise you have a poltergeist on your
> case.
>
> --
> Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com>

I flushed the old fluid out of the line today, and while re-bleeding I
noticed something peculiar. I would pump the pedal a few times, hold
the pedal down, crack the bleeder valve, and let the fluid run out.
However, while the fluid ran out it felt like air was rushing in.
This would occur for a few seconds. I could hear (sounds like bubbles
rushing up the line) and feel it in the clutch line. Small bubbles
also formed in the master while doing this. Am I doing something
wrong now or does this sound like a component failure?

wbowlin@gmail.com

On Feb 27, 12:44 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From the details you give, I have to ask: did you flush the whole system?
> Reason I ask is that I had a used slave/master set when I swapped out the
> internal slave and the master finally gave up a couple of years later. I
> installed a new master, let it bleed itself ( the external slave will do a
> pretty good job of self bleed in half an hour or so since there is no
> residual pressure like a brake system has). Six months later, I sometimes
> had a good clutch, sometimes could get it to work by pumping like mad, and
> a couple of times came home shifting w/o a clutch. When I pulled the
> master, it was full of black gunk that was messing up the rubber valve in
> the end of the cylinder and not letting the master prime itself -
> sometimes.
>
> One thing you never mentioned: do you have to add fluid every so often?
> If so, you have a leak somewhere otherwise you have a poltergeist on your
> case.
>
> --
> Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com>

I flushed the old fluid out of the line today, and while re-bleeding I
noticed something peculiar. I would pump the pedal a few times, hold
the pedal down, crack the bleeder valve, and let the fluid run out.
However, while the fluid ran out it felt like air was rushing in.
This would occur for a few seconds. I could hear (sounds like bubbles
rushing up the line) and feel it in the clutch line. Small bubbles
also formed in the master while doing this. Am I doing something
wrong now or does this sound like a component failure?

wbowlin@gmail.com

On Feb 27, 12:44 am, Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> From the details you give, I have to ask: did you flush the whole system?
> Reason I ask is that I had a used slave/master set when I swapped out the
> internal slave and the master finally gave up a couple of years later. I
> installed a new master, let it bleed itself ( the external slave will do a
> pretty good job of self bleed in half an hour or so since there is no
> residual pressure like a brake system has). Six months later, I sometimes
> had a good clutch, sometimes could get it to work by pumping like mad, and
> a couple of times came home shifting w/o a clutch. When I pulled the
> master, it was full of black gunk that was messing up the rubber valve in
> the end of the cylinder and not letting the master prime itself -
> sometimes.
>
> One thing you never mentioned: do you have to add fluid every so often?
> If so, you have a leak somewhere otherwise you have a poltergeist on your
> case.
>
> --
> Will Honea <who...@yahoo.com>

I flushed the old fluid out of the line today, and while re-bleeding I
noticed something peculiar. I would pump the pedal a few times, hold
the pedal down, crack the bleeder valve, and let the fluid run out.
However, while the fluid ran out it felt like air was rushing in.
This would occur for a few seconds. I could hear (sounds like bubbles
rushing up the line) and feel it in the clutch line. Small bubbles
also formed in the master while doing this. Am I doing something
wrong now or does this sound like a component failure?

L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

The XJ and YJ clutch master cylinders I've replaced, have always had a
the hydraulic line looped and attached to the firewall above the cylinder
level from the factory that will hold air if allowed to stay at that level
during bleeding. Detach and push it down level with the fitting you'll be
bleeding.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

<wbowlin@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173050625.977351.94260@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com
>
> I don't follow on how to bleed from the master cylinder or how to go
> about pushing down the loop. Care to expand on those suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>



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L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

The XJ and YJ clutch master cylinders I've replaced, have always had a
the hydraulic line looped and attached to the firewall above the cylinder
level from the factory that will hold air if allowed to stay at that level
during bleeding. Detach and push it down level with the fitting you'll be
bleeding.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

<wbowlin@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173050625.977351.94260@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com
>
> I don't follow on how to bleed from the master cylinder or how to go
> about pushing down the loop. Care to expand on those suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>



--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

L.W. \(Bill\) Hughes III

The XJ and YJ clutch master cylinders I've replaced, have always had a
the hydraulic line looped and attached to the firewall above the cylinder
level from the factory that will hold air if allowed to stay at that level
during bleeding. Detach and push it down level with the fitting you'll be
bleeding.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

<wbowlin@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173050625.977351.94260@v33g2000cwv.googlegro ups.com
>
> I don't follow on how to bleed from the master cylinder or how to go
> about pushing down the loop. Care to expand on those suggestions?
>
> Thanks
>



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