Re: clutch problem after T18 conversion
Ron:
It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a complete stop. Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later. The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing. Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as well. Ryan Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>... > whoops I meant : > > > > In a T18 conversion the > bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can > be used. > (that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) > > > Ron Croonenberg wrote: > > In a T18 conversion the bearing > > used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used. > > (that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) |
Re: clutch problem after T18 conversion
Ron:
It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a complete stop. Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later. The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing. Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as well. Ryan Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>... > whoops I meant : > > > > In a T18 conversion the > bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can > be used. > (that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) > > > Ron Croonenberg wrote: > > In a T18 conversion the bearing > > used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used. > > (that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) |
Re: clutch problem after T18 conversion
Hi Ryan,
I have been talking to a guy from Novak for a bit yesterday, by e-mail that is. According to him I have "an allignment" problem. From what he told me it is most likely the case that my tranny is not straight behind the engine. (weird thing is though that I never had a problem with that bellhousing and and the T150 that was there. But then again, T150, Dana20 and skidplate are all replaced. (T150+Dana20 --> T18+dana300 and the skidplate was custom built) if you want I can forward some mail from him to you. btw thanks for the measurements of that bushing/bearing. One thing that kinda surprised me was, he told me (and gave me a url) that said that because of different heat treatment procedures of the inputshaft, it is unwise to use a bearing. I had the impression that a bearing would cause less friction compared to using a bushing on that inputshaft. I will also try to find more info on figuring out what's happening with that T18 "thing". thanks, Ron Ryan wrote: > Ron: > > It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a > different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to > downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a > complete stop. > > Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A > quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later. > The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that > is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may > be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing. > > Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as > well. > > Ryan > > Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>... > >>whoops I meant : >> >> >> >> In a T18 conversion the >>bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can >>be used. >>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) >> >> >>Ron Croonenberg wrote: >> >> In a T18 conversion the bearing >> >>>used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used. >>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) |
Re: clutch problem after T18 conversion
Hi Ryan,
I have been talking to a guy from Novak for a bit yesterday, by e-mail that is. According to him I have "an allignment" problem. From what he told me it is most likely the case that my tranny is not straight behind the engine. (weird thing is though that I never had a problem with that bellhousing and and the T150 that was there. But then again, T150, Dana20 and skidplate are all replaced. (T150+Dana20 --> T18+dana300 and the skidplate was custom built) if you want I can forward some mail from him to you. btw thanks for the measurements of that bushing/bearing. One thing that kinda surprised me was, he told me (and gave me a url) that said that because of different heat treatment procedures of the inputshaft, it is unwise to use a bearing. I had the impression that a bearing would cause less friction compared to using a bushing on that inputshaft. I will also try to find more info on figuring out what's happening with that T18 "thing". thanks, Ron Ryan wrote: > Ron: > > It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a > different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to > downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a > complete stop. > > Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A > quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later. > The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that > is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may > be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing. > > Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as > well. > > Ryan > > Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>... > >>whoops I meant : >> >> >> >> In a T18 conversion the >>bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can >>be used. >>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) >> >> >>Ron Croonenberg wrote: >> >> In a T18 conversion the bearing >> >>>used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used. >>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) |
Re: clutch problem after T18 conversion
Hi Ryan,
I have been talking to a guy from Novak for a bit yesterday, by e-mail that is. According to him I have "an allignment" problem. From what he told me it is most likely the case that my tranny is not straight behind the engine. (weird thing is though that I never had a problem with that bellhousing and and the T150 that was there. But then again, T150, Dana20 and skidplate are all replaced. (T150+Dana20 --> T18+dana300 and the skidplate was custom built) if you want I can forward some mail from him to you. btw thanks for the measurements of that bushing/bearing. One thing that kinda surprised me was, he told me (and gave me a url) that said that because of different heat treatment procedures of the inputshaft, it is unwise to use a bearing. I had the impression that a bearing would cause less friction compared to using a bushing on that inputshaft. I will also try to find more info on figuring out what's happening with that T18 "thing". thanks, Ron Ryan wrote: > Ron: > > It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a > different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to > downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a > complete stop. > > Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A > quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later. > The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that > is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may > be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing. > > Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as > well. > > Ryan > > Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>... > >>whoops I meant : >> >> >> >> In a T18 conversion the >>bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can >>be used. >>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) >> >> >>Ron Croonenberg wrote: >> >> In a T18 conversion the bearing >> >>>used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used. >>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) |
Re: clutch problem after T18 conversion
Ron:
Sure, forward any info you have from Novak. Since I am running exactly the same setup as you (AMC engine, T-150 bellhousing, T-18 trans, D300 T-case), I would LOVE to know if there is an alignment problem. For as few miles as I put on the Jeep, I might look at a softer metal bushing. The local machine shop may be able to cut one from "self-lubricating" brass/bronze/whatever. I'm hitting the trails down in French Lick with some Indiana FWDA guys this weekend. At least one of them has the AMC Engine /Ford T-18 combo. I'll pick their brains and post what I learn. Ryan ryansweany@earthlink.net (O|||||||O) Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvo84q$2dc$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>... > Hi Ryan, > > I have been talking to a guy from Novak for a bit yesterday, by e-mail > that is. > > According to him I have "an allignment" problem. From what he told me it > is most likely the case that my tranny is not straight behind the > engine. (weird thing is though that I never had a problem with that > bellhousing and and the T150 that was there. But then again, T150, > Dana20 and skidplate are all replaced. (T150+Dana20 --> T18+dana300 and > the skidplate was custom built) > > if you want I can forward some mail from him to you. btw thanks for the > measurements of that bushing/bearing. > > One thing that kinda surprised me was, he told me (and gave me a url) > that said that because of different heat treatment procedures of the > inputshaft, it is unwise to use a bearing. I had the impression that a > bearing would cause less friction compared to using a bushing on that > inputshaft. > > I will also try to find more info on figuring out what's happening with > that T18 "thing". > > thanks, > > Ron > > > Ryan wrote: > > Ron: > > > > It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a > > different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to > > downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a > > complete stop. > > > > Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A > > quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later. > > The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that > > is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may > > be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing. > > > > Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as > > well. > > > > Ryan > > > > Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>... > > > >>whoops I meant : > >> > >> > >> > >> In a T18 conversion the > >>bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can > >>be used. > >>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) > >> > >> > >>Ron Croonenberg wrote: > >> > >> In a T18 conversion the bearing > >> > >>>used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used. > >>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) |
Re: clutch problem after T18 conversion
Ron:
Sure, forward any info you have from Novak. Since I am running exactly the same setup as you (AMC engine, T-150 bellhousing, T-18 trans, D300 T-case), I would LOVE to know if there is an alignment problem. For as few miles as I put on the Jeep, I might look at a softer metal bushing. The local machine shop may be able to cut one from "self-lubricating" brass/bronze/whatever. I'm hitting the trails down in French Lick with some Indiana FWDA guys this weekend. At least one of them has the AMC Engine /Ford T-18 combo. I'll pick their brains and post what I learn. Ryan ryansweany@earthlink.net (O|||||||O) Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvo84q$2dc$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>... > Hi Ryan, > > I have been talking to a guy from Novak for a bit yesterday, by e-mail > that is. > > According to him I have "an allignment" problem. From what he told me it > is most likely the case that my tranny is not straight behind the > engine. (weird thing is though that I never had a problem with that > bellhousing and and the T150 that was there. But then again, T150, > Dana20 and skidplate are all replaced. (T150+Dana20 --> T18+dana300 and > the skidplate was custom built) > > if you want I can forward some mail from him to you. btw thanks for the > measurements of that bushing/bearing. > > One thing that kinda surprised me was, he told me (and gave me a url) > that said that because of different heat treatment procedures of the > inputshaft, it is unwise to use a bearing. I had the impression that a > bearing would cause less friction compared to using a bushing on that > inputshaft. > > I will also try to find more info on figuring out what's happening with > that T18 "thing". > > thanks, > > Ron > > > Ryan wrote: > > Ron: > > > > It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a > > different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to > > downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a > > complete stop. > > > > Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A > > quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later. > > The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that > > is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may > > be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing. > > > > Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as > > well. > > > > Ryan > > > > Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>... > > > >>whoops I meant : > >> > >> > >> > >> In a T18 conversion the > >>bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can > >>be used. > >>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) > >> > >> > >>Ron Croonenberg wrote: > >> > >> In a T18 conversion the bearing > >> > >>>used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used. > >>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) |
Re: clutch problem after T18 conversion
Ron:
Sure, forward any info you have from Novak. Since I am running exactly the same setup as you (AMC engine, T-150 bellhousing, T-18 trans, D300 T-case), I would LOVE to know if there is an alignment problem. For as few miles as I put on the Jeep, I might look at a softer metal bushing. The local machine shop may be able to cut one from "self-lubricating" brass/bronze/whatever. I'm hitting the trails down in French Lick with some Indiana FWDA guys this weekend. At least one of them has the AMC Engine /Ford T-18 combo. I'll pick their brains and post what I learn. Ryan ryansweany@earthlink.net (O|||||||O) Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvo84q$2dc$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>... > Hi Ryan, > > I have been talking to a guy from Novak for a bit yesterday, by e-mail > that is. > > According to him I have "an allignment" problem. From what he told me it > is most likely the case that my tranny is not straight behind the > engine. (weird thing is though that I never had a problem with that > bellhousing and and the T150 that was there. But then again, T150, > Dana20 and skidplate are all replaced. (T150+Dana20 --> T18+dana300 and > the skidplate was custom built) > > if you want I can forward some mail from him to you. btw thanks for the > measurements of that bushing/bearing. > > One thing that kinda surprised me was, he told me (and gave me a url) > that said that because of different heat treatment procedures of the > inputshaft, it is unwise to use a bearing. I had the impression that a > bearing would cause less friction compared to using a bushing on that > inputshaft. > > I will also try to find more info on figuring out what's happening with > that T18 "thing". > > thanks, > > Ron > > > Ryan wrote: > > Ron: > > > > It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a > > different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to > > downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a > > complete stop. > > > > Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A > > quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later. > > The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that > > is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may > > be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing. > > > > Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as > > well. > > > > Ryan > > > > Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>... > > > >>whoops I meant : > >> > >> > >> > >> In a T18 conversion the > >>bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can > >>be used. > >>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) > >> > >> > >>Ron Croonenberg wrote: > >> > >> In a T18 conversion the bearing > >> > >>>used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used. > >>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) |
Re: clutch problem after T18 conversion
> Sure, forward any info you have from Novak. Since I am running exactly
> the same setup as you (AMC engine, T-150 bellhousing, T-18 trans, D300 > T-case), I would LOVE to know if there is an alignment problem. Ok here's what I found out yesterday : As you mentioned these are the dimensions of the bushing : 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" Now I called around a bit and ended up with someone from Timken talking about a possible alternative. They have a bearing (partnumber) : 303PP and the dimensions are very close (OD 1.8504 x ID 0.693 x 0.551) when you look at the differences in metric (for some reason Timken says that all bearings they produce are measured in metric) then the differences are very little. I don't know how big a hammer they differ though. (might be I made a typo in the dimensions, but I have the paperwork at home) > For as few miles as I put on the Jeep, I might look at a softer metal > bushing. The local machine shop may be able to cut one from > "self-lubricating" brass/bronze/whatever. Yeah mine doesn't get that many miles on it either. > I'm hitting the trails down in French Lick with some Indiana FWDA guys > this weekend. At least one of them has the AMC Engine /Ford T-18 > combo. I'll pick their brains and post what I learn. Hey wait.. you're from IN ?? Cool I just moved here a year ago, don't know about that many places to go (except for a 4wd park and a ditch or 2 here and there.) thanks, Ron > Ryan > ryansweany@earthlink.net > (O|||||||O) > > Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvo84q$2dc$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>... > >>Hi Ryan, >> >>I have been talking to a guy from Novak for a bit yesterday, by e-mail >>that is. >> >>According to him I have "an allignment" problem. From what he told me it >>is most likely the case that my tranny is not straight behind the >>engine. (weird thing is though that I never had a problem with that >>bellhousing and and the T150 that was there. But then again, T150, >>Dana20 and skidplate are all replaced. (T150+Dana20 --> T18+dana300 and >>the skidplate was custom built) >> >>if you want I can forward some mail from him to you. btw thanks for the >> measurements of that bushing/bearing. >> >>One thing that kinda surprised me was, he told me (and gave me a url) >>that said that because of different heat treatment procedures of the >>inputshaft, it is unwise to use a bearing. I had the impression that a >>bearing would cause less friction compared to using a bushing on that >>inputshaft. >> >>I will also try to find more info on figuring out what's happening with >>that T18 "thing". >> >>thanks, >> >>Ron >> >> >>Ryan wrote: >> >>>Ron: >>> >>>It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a >>>different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to >>>downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a >>>complete stop. >>> >>>Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A >>>quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later. >>>The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that >>>is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may >>>be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing. >>> >>>Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as >>>well. >>> >>>Ryan >>> >>>Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>... >>> >>> >>>>whoops I meant : >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In a T18 conversion the >>>>bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can >>>>be used. >>>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) >>>> >>>> >>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote: >>>> >>>> In a T18 conversion the bearing >>>> >>>> >>>>>used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used. >>>>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) |
Re: clutch problem after T18 conversion
> Sure, forward any info you have from Novak. Since I am running exactly
> the same setup as you (AMC engine, T-150 bellhousing, T-18 trans, D300 > T-case), I would LOVE to know if there is an alignment problem. Ok here's what I found out yesterday : As you mentioned these are the dimensions of the bushing : 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" Now I called around a bit and ended up with someone from Timken talking about a possible alternative. They have a bearing (partnumber) : 303PP and the dimensions are very close (OD 1.8504 x ID 0.693 x 0.551) when you look at the differences in metric (for some reason Timken says that all bearings they produce are measured in metric) then the differences are very little. I don't know how big a hammer they differ though. (might be I made a typo in the dimensions, but I have the paperwork at home) > For as few miles as I put on the Jeep, I might look at a softer metal > bushing. The local machine shop may be able to cut one from > "self-lubricating" brass/bronze/whatever. Yeah mine doesn't get that many miles on it either. > I'm hitting the trails down in French Lick with some Indiana FWDA guys > this weekend. At least one of them has the AMC Engine /Ford T-18 > combo. I'll pick their brains and post what I learn. Hey wait.. you're from IN ?? Cool I just moved here a year ago, don't know about that many places to go (except for a 4wd park and a ditch or 2 here and there.) thanks, Ron > Ryan > ryansweany@earthlink.net > (O|||||||O) > > Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvo84q$2dc$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>... > >>Hi Ryan, >> >>I have been talking to a guy from Novak for a bit yesterday, by e-mail >>that is. >> >>According to him I have "an allignment" problem. From what he told me it >>is most likely the case that my tranny is not straight behind the >>engine. (weird thing is though that I never had a problem with that >>bellhousing and and the T150 that was there. But then again, T150, >>Dana20 and skidplate are all replaced. (T150+Dana20 --> T18+dana300 and >>the skidplate was custom built) >> >>if you want I can forward some mail from him to you. btw thanks for the >> measurements of that bushing/bearing. >> >>One thing that kinda surprised me was, he told me (and gave me a url) >>that said that because of different heat treatment procedures of the >>inputshaft, it is unwise to use a bearing. I had the impression that a >>bearing would cause less friction compared to using a bushing on that >>inputshaft. >> >>I will also try to find more info on figuring out what's happening with >>that T18 "thing". >> >>thanks, >> >>Ron >> >> >>Ryan wrote: >> >>>Ron: >>> >>>It sure sounds like you and I are having the same "problem", with a >>>different severity of symptoms. At worst, I have to double-clutch to >>>downshift to 2nd. First and reverse are off-limits unless I come to a >>>complete stop. >>> >>>Advance Adapters forgot to even ship a pilot bushing the first time. A >>>quick phone call, and the right one was at may door a few days later. >>>The AA part number is 716156. According to their parts catalog, that >>>is a 1.818" OD x .670" ID x .5" deep bushing. A good parts store may >>>be able to match up a roller- or needle-bearing. >>> >>>Let me know if you find out anything! I'll continue to ask around as >>>well. >>> >>>Ryan >>> >>>Ron Croonenberg <ronc@depauw.edu> wrote in message news:<bvm4i5$jlh$1@terra.csc.depauw.edu>... >>> >>> >>>>whoops I meant : >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In a T18 conversion the >>>>bushing used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can >>>>be used. >>>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) >>>> >>>> >>>>Ron Croonenberg wrote: >>>> >>>> In a T18 conversion the bearing >>>> >>>> >>>>>used is plenty big, must be possible to find a bearing that can be used. >>>>>(that is if that would help getting rid of the drag.) |
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