It took two Bosch and one Champion starter to finally get a rebuilt that
started my 81 CJ, try another rebuilt.


<kbrook007@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129077013.990645.10630@o13g2000cwo.googlegro ups.com...
> Hey y'all;
> I have a '79 CJ7 that I'm slowly replacing, piece by piece. I drove to
> my Dad's today, and my Jeep wouldn't start. I ended up popping the
> clutch to get it to run, but couldn't take it to work since I didn't
> have a place to run it downhill to pop it again. It's got a 258 V6
> original engine, 3 spd manual.
>
> The starter turns fine, plenty of juice in the battery. It won't engage
> with the flywheel to start the engine. We've had torrential rains (7
> 1/2 inches in a day) and the jeep was outside. I'm assuming the
> solenoid got wet and isn't engaging the armeture on the starter. I
> bought a new starter to make sure it wasn't the problem, but does the
> same as the old one (its the original starter, so before I replaced
> anything else, I assumed that it was the starter, and didn't have a
> chance to take it off and check it before I went to the auto parts
> store).
>
> Any chance it's anything other than the solenoid? The flywheel is
> clean, no chips in the teeth, and it does not sound like the starter is
> mating with the flywheel. Have I guessed it right, or am I missing
> something?
>
> Thanks,
> -K
>

 

It took two Bosch and one Champion starter to finally get a rebuilt that
started my 81 CJ, try another rebuilt.


<kbrook007@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129077013.990645.10630@o13g2000cwo.googlegro ups.com...
> Hey y'all;
> I have a '79 CJ7 that I'm slowly replacing, piece by piece. I drove to
> my Dad's today, and my Jeep wouldn't start. I ended up popping the
> clutch to get it to run, but couldn't take it to work since I didn't
> have a place to run it downhill to pop it again. It's got a 258 V6
> original engine, 3 spd manual.
>
> The starter turns fine, plenty of juice in the battery. It won't engage
> with the flywheel to start the engine. We've had torrential rains (7
> 1/2 inches in a day) and the jeep was outside. I'm assuming the
> solenoid got wet and isn't engaging the armeture on the starter. I
> bought a new starter to make sure it wasn't the problem, but does the
> same as the old one (its the original starter, so before I replaced
> anything else, I assumed that it was the starter, and didn't have a
> chance to take it off and check it before I went to the auto parts
> store).
>
> Any chance it's anything other than the solenoid? The flywheel is
> clean, no chips in the teeth, and it does not sound like the starter is
> mating with the flywheel. Have I guessed it right, or am I missing
> something?
>
> Thanks,
> -K
>

 

It took two Bosch and one Champion starter to finally get a rebuilt that
started my 81 CJ, try another rebuilt.


<kbrook007@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129077013.990645.10630@o13g2000cwo.googlegro ups.com...
> Hey y'all;
> I have a '79 CJ7 that I'm slowly replacing, piece by piece. I drove to
> my Dad's today, and my Jeep wouldn't start. I ended up popping the
> clutch to get it to run, but couldn't take it to work since I didn't
> have a place to run it downhill to pop it again. It's got a 258 V6
> original engine, 3 spd manual.
>
> The starter turns fine, plenty of juice in the battery. It won't engage
> with the flywheel to start the engine. We've had torrential rains (7
> 1/2 inches in a day) and the jeep was outside. I'm assuming the
> solenoid got wet and isn't engaging the armeture on the starter. I
> bought a new starter to make sure it wasn't the problem, but does the
> same as the old one (its the original starter, so before I replaced
> anything else, I assumed that it was the starter, and didn't have a
> chance to take it off and check it before I went to the auto parts
> store).
>
> Any chance it's anything other than the solenoid? The flywheel is
> clean, no chips in the teeth, and it does not sound like the starter is
> mating with the flywheel. Have I guessed it right, or am I missing
> something?
>
> Thanks,
> -K
>

 

Lee Ayrton wrote:
> kbrook007@gmail.com wrote:
> > Hey y'all;
> > I have a '79 CJ7 that I'm slowly replacing, piece by piece. I drove to
> > my Dad's today, and my Jeep wouldn't start. I ended up popping the
> > clutch to get it to run, but couldn't take it to work since I didn't
> > have a place to run it downhill to pop it again. It's got a 258 V6
> > original engine, 3 spd manual.
>

> I-6, not V-6. Inline, not v-formation.

Yes, I realize that. It's a 6 cylinder, and the manual refers to it as
a V6, I'm assuming they do because it's a 6 valve engine, no the
placement of the cylinders.

> > The starter turns fine, plenty of juice in the battery. It won't engage
> > with the flywheel to start the engine. We've had torrential rains (7
> > 1/2 inches in a day) and the jeep was outside. I'm assuming the
> > solenoid got wet and isn't engaging the armeture on the starter. I
> > bought a new starter to make sure it wasn't the problem, but does the
> > same as the old one (its the original starter, so before I replaced
> > anything else, I assumed that it was the starter, and didn't have a
> > chance to take it off and check it before I went to the auto parts
> > store).
>
> Take the starter back to the store. Most chain parts retailers will
> test your starter, free, and bad rebuilt parts are not uncommon. If
> they can't test it, pull the starter, chain it down or chuck it in a
> vice so it won't run away from you. Connect a set of jumpers to a
> battery, clamp the [+] to the cable post on the starter. Hit the case
> with the [-] clamp, and watch for the Bendix drive (the bit with the
> gear teath on it) when it slides out to the tail of the starter. If it
> doesn't move the starter's NG.

Ok, so get this. I get the new relay/solenoid, install it, nothing.
Huh. Reinstall the old, same deal. Try bypassing the solenoid, nothing
on the starter (old starter). Plenty of amps in the battery to turn it
over. Try bench testing the old starter; nothing. Try bench testing the
new starter, nothing. What gives? They both spun last night when I was
having the difficulty, now I try and bench test them and they won't go?
New or old? Yes, I hooked it up correctly with the pos / neg. Weird. If
I have the ignition in the acc position (full counterclockwise) with
the old solenoid, I get some juice to the radio, but nothing else. No
lights, no nothing else. It;s the original harness, and up until I had
difficulty, no problemo. Everything worked. Now, nada. Any ideas,
hints, etc? I am going to return both the solenoid and the starter, but
dagumit, wish I knew the answer. I checked the fuse blck, all fuses are
fine. If it were the ignition, I assume bypassing the solenoid would
turn the engine over? Help please before I have to drag it down the
road to my repair guy.
>
>
> > Any chance it's anything other than the solenoid? The flywheel is
> > clean, no chips in the teeth, and it does not sound like the starter is
> > mating with the flywheel. Have I guessed it right, or am I missing
> > something?
>
> If the above tests out OK, replace the relay on the fender. You might
> be passing enough juice to fire the starter motor but not enough to pull
> in the Bendix.
>
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -K
> >
Thanks again!

 

Lee Ayrton wrote:
> kbrook007@gmail.com wrote:
> > Hey y'all;
> > I have a '79 CJ7 that I'm slowly replacing, piece by piece. I drove to
> > my Dad's today, and my Jeep wouldn't start. I ended up popping the
> > clutch to get it to run, but couldn't take it to work since I didn't
> > have a place to run it downhill to pop it again. It's got a 258 V6
> > original engine, 3 spd manual.
>

> I-6, not V-6. Inline, not v-formation.

Yes, I realize that. It's a 6 cylinder, and the manual refers to it as
a V6, I'm assuming they do because it's a 6 valve engine, no the
placement of the cylinders.

> > The starter turns fine, plenty of juice in the battery. It won't engage
> > with the flywheel to start the engine. We've had torrential rains (7
> > 1/2 inches in a day) and the jeep was outside. I'm assuming the
> > solenoid got wet and isn't engaging the armeture on the starter. I
> > bought a new starter to make sure it wasn't the problem, but does the
> > same as the old one (its the original starter, so before I replaced
> > anything else, I assumed that it was the starter, and didn't have a
> > chance to take it off and check it before I went to the auto parts
> > store).
>
> Take the starter back to the store. Most chain parts retailers will
> test your starter, free, and bad rebuilt parts are not uncommon. If
> they can't test it, pull the starter, chain it down or chuck it in a
> vice so it won't run away from you. Connect a set of jumpers to a
> battery, clamp the [+] to the cable post on the starter. Hit the case
> with the [-] clamp, and watch for the Bendix drive (the bit with the
> gear teath on it) when it slides out to the tail of the starter. If it
> doesn't move the starter's NG.

Ok, so get this. I get the new relay/solenoid, install it, nothing.
Huh. Reinstall the old, same deal. Try bypassing the solenoid, nothing
on the starter (old starter). Plenty of amps in the battery to turn it
over. Try bench testing the old starter; nothing. Try bench testing the
new starter, nothing. What gives? They both spun last night when I was
having the difficulty, now I try and bench test them and they won't go?
New or old? Yes, I hooked it up correctly with the pos / neg. Weird. If
I have the ignition in the acc position (full counterclockwise) with
the old solenoid, I get some juice to the radio, but nothing else. No
lights, no nothing else. It;s the original harness, and up until I had
difficulty, no problemo. Everything worked. Now, nada. Any ideas,
hints, etc? I am going to return both the solenoid and the starter, but
dagumit, wish I knew the answer. I checked the fuse blck, all fuses are
fine. If it were the ignition, I assume bypassing the solenoid would
turn the engine over? Help please before I have to drag it down the
road to my repair guy.
>
>
> > Any chance it's anything other than the solenoid? The flywheel is
> > clean, no chips in the teeth, and it does not sound like the starter is
> > mating with the flywheel. Have I guessed it right, or am I missing
> > something?
>
> If the above tests out OK, replace the relay on the fender. You might
> be passing enough juice to fire the starter motor but not enough to pull
> in the Bendix.
>
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -K
> >
Thanks again!

 

Lee Ayrton wrote:
> kbrook007@gmail.com wrote:
> > Hey y'all;
> > I have a '79 CJ7 that I'm slowly replacing, piece by piece. I drove to
> > my Dad's today, and my Jeep wouldn't start. I ended up popping the
> > clutch to get it to run, but couldn't take it to work since I didn't
> > have a place to run it downhill to pop it again. It's got a 258 V6
> > original engine, 3 spd manual.
>

> I-6, not V-6. Inline, not v-formation.

Yes, I realize that. It's a 6 cylinder, and the manual refers to it as
a V6, I'm assuming they do because it's a 6 valve engine, no the
placement of the cylinders.

> > The starter turns fine, plenty of juice in the battery. It won't engage
> > with the flywheel to start the engine. We've had torrential rains (7
> > 1/2 inches in a day) and the jeep was outside. I'm assuming the
> > solenoid got wet and isn't engaging the armeture on the starter. I
> > bought a new starter to make sure it wasn't the problem, but does the
> > same as the old one (its the original starter, so before I replaced
> > anything else, I assumed that it was the starter, and didn't have a
> > chance to take it off and check it before I went to the auto parts
> > store).
>
> Take the starter back to the store. Most chain parts retailers will
> test your starter, free, and bad rebuilt parts are not uncommon. If
> they can't test it, pull the starter, chain it down or chuck it in a
> vice so it won't run away from you. Connect a set of jumpers to a
> battery, clamp the [+] to the cable post on the starter. Hit the case
> with the [-] clamp, and watch for the Bendix drive (the bit with the
> gear teath on it) when it slides out to the tail of the starter. If it
> doesn't move the starter's NG.

Ok, so get this. I get the new relay/solenoid, install it, nothing.
Huh. Reinstall the old, same deal. Try bypassing the solenoid, nothing
on the starter (old starter). Plenty of amps in the battery to turn it
over. Try bench testing the old starter; nothing. Try bench testing the
new starter, nothing. What gives? They both spun last night when I was
having the difficulty, now I try and bench test them and they won't go?
New or old? Yes, I hooked it up correctly with the pos / neg. Weird. If
I have the ignition in the acc position (full counterclockwise) with
the old solenoid, I get some juice to the radio, but nothing else. No
lights, no nothing else. It;s the original harness, and up until I had
difficulty, no problemo. Everything worked. Now, nada. Any ideas,
hints, etc? I am going to return both the solenoid and the starter, but
dagumit, wish I knew the answer. I checked the fuse blck, all fuses are
fine. If it were the ignition, I assume bypassing the solenoid would
turn the engine over? Help please before I have to drag it down the
road to my repair guy.
>
>
> > Any chance it's anything other than the solenoid? The flywheel is
> > clean, no chips in the teeth, and it does not sound like the starter is
> > mating with the flywheel. Have I guessed it right, or am I missing
> > something?
>
> If the above tests out OK, replace the relay on the fender. You might
> be passing enough juice to fire the starter motor but not enough to pull
> in the Bendix.
>
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -K
> >
Thanks again!

 

You are either doing something radically wrong or there is something
radically wrong....

For starters you have the wrong 'book'. There is no V involved in the
258. It is a normal straight six engine with 12 valves, 2 per cylinder.

From all the strange symptoms I would have to figure you have to have a
dead battery connection between the cable clamp and the battery post.
Nothing else makes any sense.

I would be removing the battery cable clamps and giving them a good
clean, then I would be at least checking the battery with a meter to see
how dead it now is.

Don't forget the solenoid has to be grounded to turn on and on which
side you took the old wires off from. There should be at least 3 loop
connectors on the solenoid battery side post and only one on the starter
side with 2 small wires on the small posts.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"kbrook007@gmail.com" wrote:
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > kbrook007@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Hey y'all;
> > > I have a '79 CJ7 that I'm slowly replacing, piece by piece. I drove to
> > > my Dad's today, and my Jeep wouldn't start. I ended up popping the
> > > clutch to get it to run, but couldn't take it to work since I didn't
> > > have a place to run it downhill to pop it again. It's got a 258 V6
> > > original engine, 3 spd manual.
> >
>
> > I-6, not V-6. Inline, not v-formation.
>
> Yes, I realize that. It's a 6 cylinder, and the manual refers to it as
> a V6, I'm assuming they do because it's a 6 valve engine, no the
> placement of the cylinders.
>
> > > The starter turns fine, plenty of juice in the battery. It won't engage
> > > with the flywheel to start the engine. We've had torrential rains (7
> > > 1/2 inches in a day) and the jeep was outside. I'm assuming the
> > > solenoid got wet and isn't engaging the armeture on the starter. I
> > > bought a new starter to make sure it wasn't the problem, but does the
> > > same as the old one (its the original starter, so before I replaced
> > > anything else, I assumed that it was the starter, and didn't have a
> > > chance to take it off and check it before I went to the auto parts
> > > store).
> >
> > Take the starter back to the store. Most chain parts retailers will
> > test your starter, free, and bad rebuilt parts are not uncommon. If
> > they can't test it, pull the starter, chain it down or chuck it in a
> > vice so it won't run away from you. Connect a set of jumpers to a
> > battery, clamp the [+] to the cable post on the starter. Hit the case
> > with the [-] clamp, and watch for the Bendix drive (the bit with the
> > gear teath on it) when it slides out to the tail of the starter. If it
> > doesn't move the starter's NG.
>
> Ok, so get this. I get the new relay/solenoid, install it, nothing.
> Huh. Reinstall the old, same deal. Try bypassing the solenoid, nothing
> on the starter (old starter). Plenty of amps in the battery to turn it
> over. Try bench testing the old starter; nothing. Try bench testing the
> new starter, nothing. What gives? They both spun last night when I was
> having the difficulty, now I try and bench test them and they won't go?
> New or old? Yes, I hooked it up correctly with the pos / neg. Weird. If
> I have the ignition in the acc position (full counterclockwise) with
> the old solenoid, I get some juice to the radio, but nothing else. No
> lights, no nothing else. It;s the original harness, and up until I had
> difficulty, no problemo. Everything worked. Now, nada. Any ideas,
> hints, etc? I am going to return both the solenoid and the starter, but
> dagumit, wish I knew the answer. I checked the fuse blck, all fuses are
> fine. If it were the ignition, I assume bypassing the solenoid would
> turn the engine over? Help please before I have to drag it down the
> road to my repair guy.
> >
> >
> > > Any chance it's anything other than the solenoid? The flywheel is
> > > clean, no chips in the teeth, and it does not sound like the starter is
> > > mating with the flywheel. Have I guessed it right, or am I missing
> > > something?
> >
> > If the above tests out OK, replace the relay on the fender. You might
> > be passing enough juice to fire the starter motor but not enough to pull
> > in the Bendix.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -K
> > >
> Thanks again!

 

You are either doing something radically wrong or there is something
radically wrong....

For starters you have the wrong 'book'. There is no V involved in the
258. It is a normal straight six engine with 12 valves, 2 per cylinder.

From all the strange symptoms I would have to figure you have to have a
dead battery connection between the cable clamp and the battery post.
Nothing else makes any sense.

I would be removing the battery cable clamps and giving them a good
clean, then I would be at least checking the battery with a meter to see
how dead it now is.

Don't forget the solenoid has to be grounded to turn on and on which
side you took the old wires off from. There should be at least 3 loop
connectors on the solenoid battery side post and only one on the starter
side with 2 small wires on the small posts.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"kbrook007@gmail.com" wrote:
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > kbrook007@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Hey y'all;
> > > I have a '79 CJ7 that I'm slowly replacing, piece by piece. I drove to
> > > my Dad's today, and my Jeep wouldn't start. I ended up popping the
> > > clutch to get it to run, but couldn't take it to work since I didn't
> > > have a place to run it downhill to pop it again. It's got a 258 V6
> > > original engine, 3 spd manual.
> >
>
> > I-6, not V-6. Inline, not v-formation.
>
> Yes, I realize that. It's a 6 cylinder, and the manual refers to it as
> a V6, I'm assuming they do because it's a 6 valve engine, no the
> placement of the cylinders.
>
> > > The starter turns fine, plenty of juice in the battery. It won't engage
> > > with the flywheel to start the engine. We've had torrential rains (7
> > > 1/2 inches in a day) and the jeep was outside. I'm assuming the
> > > solenoid got wet and isn't engaging the armeture on the starter. I
> > > bought a new starter to make sure it wasn't the problem, but does the
> > > same as the old one (its the original starter, so before I replaced
> > > anything else, I assumed that it was the starter, and didn't have a
> > > chance to take it off and check it before I went to the auto parts
> > > store).
> >
> > Take the starter back to the store. Most chain parts retailers will
> > test your starter, free, and bad rebuilt parts are not uncommon. If
> > they can't test it, pull the starter, chain it down or chuck it in a
> > vice so it won't run away from you. Connect a set of jumpers to a
> > battery, clamp the [+] to the cable post on the starter. Hit the case
> > with the [-] clamp, and watch for the Bendix drive (the bit with the
> > gear teath on it) when it slides out to the tail of the starter. If it
> > doesn't move the starter's NG.
>
> Ok, so get this. I get the new relay/solenoid, install it, nothing.
> Huh. Reinstall the old, same deal. Try bypassing the solenoid, nothing
> on the starter (old starter). Plenty of amps in the battery to turn it
> over. Try bench testing the old starter; nothing. Try bench testing the
> new starter, nothing. What gives? They both spun last night when I was
> having the difficulty, now I try and bench test them and they won't go?
> New or old? Yes, I hooked it up correctly with the pos / neg. Weird. If
> I have the ignition in the acc position (full counterclockwise) with
> the old solenoid, I get some juice to the radio, but nothing else. No
> lights, no nothing else. It;s the original harness, and up until I had
> difficulty, no problemo. Everything worked. Now, nada. Any ideas,
> hints, etc? I am going to return both the solenoid and the starter, but
> dagumit, wish I knew the answer. I checked the fuse blck, all fuses are
> fine. If it were the ignition, I assume bypassing the solenoid would
> turn the engine over? Help please before I have to drag it down the
> road to my repair guy.
> >
> >
> > > Any chance it's anything other than the solenoid? The flywheel is
> > > clean, no chips in the teeth, and it does not sound like the starter is
> > > mating with the flywheel. Have I guessed it right, or am I missing
> > > something?
> >
> > If the above tests out OK, replace the relay on the fender. You might
> > be passing enough juice to fire the starter motor but not enough to pull
> > in the Bendix.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -K
> > >
> Thanks again!

 

You are either doing something radically wrong or there is something
radically wrong....

For starters you have the wrong 'book'. There is no V involved in the
258. It is a normal straight six engine with 12 valves, 2 per cylinder.

From all the strange symptoms I would have to figure you have to have a
dead battery connection between the cable clamp and the battery post.
Nothing else makes any sense.

I would be removing the battery cable clamps and giving them a good
clean, then I would be at least checking the battery with a meter to see
how dead it now is.

Don't forget the solenoid has to be grounded to turn on and on which
side you took the old wires off from. There should be at least 3 loop
connectors on the solenoid battery side post and only one on the starter
side with 2 small wires on the small posts.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"kbrook007@gmail.com" wrote:
>
> Lee Ayrton wrote:
> > kbrook007@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Hey y'all;
> > > I have a '79 CJ7 that I'm slowly replacing, piece by piece. I drove to
> > > my Dad's today, and my Jeep wouldn't start. I ended up popping the
> > > clutch to get it to run, but couldn't take it to work since I didn't
> > > have a place to run it downhill to pop it again. It's got a 258 V6
> > > original engine, 3 spd manual.
> >
>
> > I-6, not V-6. Inline, not v-formation.
>
> Yes, I realize that. It's a 6 cylinder, and the manual refers to it as
> a V6, I'm assuming they do because it's a 6 valve engine, no the
> placement of the cylinders.
>
> > > The starter turns fine, plenty of juice in the battery. It won't engage
> > > with the flywheel to start the engine. We've had torrential rains (7
> > > 1/2 inches in a day) and the jeep was outside. I'm assuming the
> > > solenoid got wet and isn't engaging the armeture on the starter. I
> > > bought a new starter to make sure it wasn't the problem, but does the
> > > same as the old one (its the original starter, so before I replaced
> > > anything else, I assumed that it was the starter, and didn't have a
> > > chance to take it off and check it before I went to the auto parts
> > > store).
> >
> > Take the starter back to the store. Most chain parts retailers will
> > test your starter, free, and bad rebuilt parts are not uncommon. If
> > they can't test it, pull the starter, chain it down or chuck it in a
> > vice so it won't run away from you. Connect a set of jumpers to a
> > battery, clamp the [+] to the cable post on the starter. Hit the case
> > with the [-] clamp, and watch for the Bendix drive (the bit with the
> > gear teath on it) when it slides out to the tail of the starter. If it
> > doesn't move the starter's NG.
>
> Ok, so get this. I get the new relay/solenoid, install it, nothing.
> Huh. Reinstall the old, same deal. Try bypassing the solenoid, nothing
> on the starter (old starter). Plenty of amps in the battery to turn it
> over. Try bench testing the old starter; nothing. Try bench testing the
> new starter, nothing. What gives? They both spun last night when I was
> having the difficulty, now I try and bench test them and they won't go?
> New or old? Yes, I hooked it up correctly with the pos / neg. Weird. If
> I have the ignition in the acc position (full counterclockwise) with
> the old solenoid, I get some juice to the radio, but nothing else. No
> lights, no nothing else. It;s the original harness, and up until I had
> difficulty, no problemo. Everything worked. Now, nada. Any ideas,
> hints, etc? I am going to return both the solenoid and the starter, but
> dagumit, wish I knew the answer. I checked the fuse blck, all fuses are
> fine. If it were the ignition, I assume bypassing the solenoid would
> turn the engine over? Help please before I have to drag it down the
> road to my repair guy.
> >
> >
> > > Any chance it's anything other than the solenoid? The flywheel is
> > > clean, no chips in the teeth, and it does not sound like the starter is
> > > mating with the flywheel. Have I guessed it right, or am I missing
> > > something?
> >
> > If the above tests out OK, replace the relay on the fender. You might
> > be passing enough juice to fire the starter motor but not enough to pull
> > in the Bendix.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > -K
> > >
> Thanks again!

 

But it isn't a 6 valve engine either. It's a 12 valve engine.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

>>kbrook007@gmail.com wrote:
> Yes, I realize that. It's a 6 cylinder, and the manual refers to it as
> a V6, I'm assuming they do because it's a 6 valve engine, no the
> placement of the cylinders.