CJ7 3spds?
06-22-2007, 09:17 AM
#111
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Re: CJ7 3spds?
'If' there is enough steel left, I have seen boxes put over the frame
tails so everything can be mounted back onto them, but usually the metal
is so crystallized by this point there isn't much to weld to.
Someone makes a kit that plates both sides of the frame tails to be used
before it gets terminal.
For sure that frame is too crystallized to off road safely with for very
long. A patch job will do for a street queen Jeep, but the patches,
well....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
griffin wrote:
> Printed this out, checked these areas, and sure enough they weren't doing so
> well. One rear side seemed to be mostly through for about a 2" length. I
> turned away from the Jeep and actually ended up bumping into a potentially
> blockbuster deal shortly after, as fate may have it (we'll see on Saturday)
> ...but for curiousity sake ...how big a deal is this? The rust was through
> where the spring shackle, rear bumper member, and the frame member that
> holds the body up all come together so I'm assuming it's important that this
> area be strong and structurally sound? Is it repairable or pretty much fubar
> when it gets to this point?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:467a8107$0$32390$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Look close at the frame tails and at the inside added box frame on the
>> passenger side behind the door and on the drivers side by the rear of
>> the front spring for rust and cracks. Also check the steering box
>> anchor points.
>
>
tails so everything can be mounted back onto them, but usually the metal
is so crystallized by this point there isn't much to weld to.
Someone makes a kit that plates both sides of the frame tails to be used
before it gets terminal.
For sure that frame is too crystallized to off road safely with for very
long. A patch job will do for a street queen Jeep, but the patches,
well....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
griffin wrote:
> Printed this out, checked these areas, and sure enough they weren't doing so
> well. One rear side seemed to be mostly through for about a 2" length. I
> turned away from the Jeep and actually ended up bumping into a potentially
> blockbuster deal shortly after, as fate may have it (we'll see on Saturday)
> ...but for curiousity sake ...how big a deal is this? The rust was through
> where the spring shackle, rear bumper member, and the frame member that
> holds the body up all come together so I'm assuming it's important that this
> area be strong and structurally sound? Is it repairable or pretty much fubar
> when it gets to this point?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:467a8107$0$32390$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Look close at the frame tails and at the inside added box frame on the
>> passenger side behind the door and on the drivers side by the rear of
>> the front spring for rust and cracks. Also check the steering box
>> anchor points.
>
>
06-22-2007, 09:17 AM
#112
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Re: CJ7 3spds?
'If' there is enough steel left, I have seen boxes put over the frame
tails so everything can be mounted back onto them, but usually the metal
is so crystallized by this point there isn't much to weld to.
Someone makes a kit that plates both sides of the frame tails to be used
before it gets terminal.
For sure that frame is too crystallized to off road safely with for very
long. A patch job will do for a street queen Jeep, but the patches,
well....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
griffin wrote:
> Printed this out, checked these areas, and sure enough they weren't doing so
> well. One rear side seemed to be mostly through for about a 2" length. I
> turned away from the Jeep and actually ended up bumping into a potentially
> blockbuster deal shortly after, as fate may have it (we'll see on Saturday)
> ...but for curiousity sake ...how big a deal is this? The rust was through
> where the spring shackle, rear bumper member, and the frame member that
> holds the body up all come together so I'm assuming it's important that this
> area be strong and structurally sound? Is it repairable or pretty much fubar
> when it gets to this point?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:467a8107$0$32390$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Look close at the frame tails and at the inside added box frame on the
>> passenger side behind the door and on the drivers side by the rear of
>> the front spring for rust and cracks. Also check the steering box
>> anchor points.
>
>
tails so everything can be mounted back onto them, but usually the metal
is so crystallized by this point there isn't much to weld to.
Someone makes a kit that plates both sides of the frame tails to be used
before it gets terminal.
For sure that frame is too crystallized to off road safely with for very
long. A patch job will do for a street queen Jeep, but the patches,
well....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
griffin wrote:
> Printed this out, checked these areas, and sure enough they weren't doing so
> well. One rear side seemed to be mostly through for about a 2" length. I
> turned away from the Jeep and actually ended up bumping into a potentially
> blockbuster deal shortly after, as fate may have it (we'll see on Saturday)
> ...but for curiousity sake ...how big a deal is this? The rust was through
> where the spring shackle, rear bumper member, and the frame member that
> holds the body up all come together so I'm assuming it's important that this
> area be strong and structurally sound? Is it repairable or pretty much fubar
> when it gets to this point?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:467a8107$0$32390$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Look close at the frame tails and at the inside added box frame on the
>> passenger side behind the door and on the drivers side by the rear of
>> the front spring for rust and cracks. Also check the steering box
>> anchor points.
>
>
06-22-2007, 09:17 AM
#113
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Re: CJ7 3spds?
'If' there is enough steel left, I have seen boxes put over the frame
tails so everything can be mounted back onto them, but usually the metal
is so crystallized by this point there isn't much to weld to.
Someone makes a kit that plates both sides of the frame tails to be used
before it gets terminal.
For sure that frame is too crystallized to off road safely with for very
long. A patch job will do for a street queen Jeep, but the patches,
well....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
griffin wrote:
> Printed this out, checked these areas, and sure enough they weren't doing so
> well. One rear side seemed to be mostly through for about a 2" length. I
> turned away from the Jeep and actually ended up bumping into a potentially
> blockbuster deal shortly after, as fate may have it (we'll see on Saturday)
> ...but for curiousity sake ...how big a deal is this? The rust was through
> where the spring shackle, rear bumper member, and the frame member that
> holds the body up all come together so I'm assuming it's important that this
> area be strong and structurally sound? Is it repairable or pretty much fubar
> when it gets to this point?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:467a8107$0$32390$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Look close at the frame tails and at the inside added box frame on the
>> passenger side behind the door and on the drivers side by the rear of
>> the front spring for rust and cracks. Also check the steering box
>> anchor points.
>
>
tails so everything can be mounted back onto them, but usually the metal
is so crystallized by this point there isn't much to weld to.
Someone makes a kit that plates both sides of the frame tails to be used
before it gets terminal.
For sure that frame is too crystallized to off road safely with for very
long. A patch job will do for a street queen Jeep, but the patches,
well....
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
griffin wrote:
> Printed this out, checked these areas, and sure enough they weren't doing so
> well. One rear side seemed to be mostly through for about a 2" length. I
> turned away from the Jeep and actually ended up bumping into a potentially
> blockbuster deal shortly after, as fate may have it (we'll see on Saturday)
> ...but for curiousity sake ...how big a deal is this? The rust was through
> where the spring shackle, rear bumper member, and the frame member that
> holds the body up all come together so I'm assuming it's important that this
> area be strong and structurally sound? Is it repairable or pretty much fubar
> when it gets to this point?
>
> Thanks again!
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:467a8107$0$32390$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosti ng.com...
>> Look close at the frame tails and at the inside added box frame on the
>> passenger side behind the door and on the drivers side by the rear of
>> the front spring for rust and cracks. Also check the steering box
>> anchor points.
>
>
06-23-2007, 05:44 PM
#114
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Re: CJ7 3spds?
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, griffin wrote:
>
> How are these trannies? My latest Jeep I'm looking at is a rusty '80 CJ7
> Laredo 6cyl 258 with 127,000km on it. Original owner. 3spd tranny tho ...
>
> Thanks again for help guys.
The Jeep 3 speeds from that era were cast iron and practically
bullet-proof. IIRC the cases and innards were shared with Scouts and
perhaps Broncos, with some small changes to the input and output.
--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>
> How are these trannies? My latest Jeep I'm looking at is a rusty '80 CJ7
> Laredo 6cyl 258 with 127,000km on it. Original owner. 3spd tranny tho ...
>
> Thanks again for help guys.
The Jeep 3 speeds from that era were cast iron and practically
bullet-proof. IIRC the cases and innards were shared with Scouts and
perhaps Broncos, with some small changes to the input and output.
--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
06-23-2007, 05:44 PM
#115
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Re: CJ7 3spds?
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, griffin wrote:
>
> How are these trannies? My latest Jeep I'm looking at is a rusty '80 CJ7
> Laredo 6cyl 258 with 127,000km on it. Original owner. 3spd tranny tho ...
>
> Thanks again for help guys.
The Jeep 3 speeds from that era were cast iron and practically
bullet-proof. IIRC the cases and innards were shared with Scouts and
perhaps Broncos, with some small changes to the input and output.
--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>
> How are these trannies? My latest Jeep I'm looking at is a rusty '80 CJ7
> Laredo 6cyl 258 with 127,000km on it. Original owner. 3spd tranny tho ...
>
> Thanks again for help guys.
The Jeep 3 speeds from that era were cast iron and practically
bullet-proof. IIRC the cases and innards were shared with Scouts and
perhaps Broncos, with some small changes to the input and output.
--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
06-23-2007, 05:44 PM
#116
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Re: CJ7 3spds?
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, griffin wrote:
>
> How are these trannies? My latest Jeep I'm looking at is a rusty '80 CJ7
> Laredo 6cyl 258 with 127,000km on it. Original owner. 3spd tranny tho ...
>
> Thanks again for help guys.
The Jeep 3 speeds from that era were cast iron and practically
bullet-proof. IIRC the cases and innards were shared with Scouts and
perhaps Broncos, with some small changes to the input and output.
--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>
> How are these trannies? My latest Jeep I'm looking at is a rusty '80 CJ7
> Laredo 6cyl 258 with 127,000km on it. Original owner. 3spd tranny tho ...
>
> Thanks again for help guys.
The Jeep 3 speeds from that era were cast iron and practically
bullet-proof. IIRC the cases and innards were shared with Scouts and
perhaps Broncos, with some small changes to the input and output.
--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
06-23-2007, 05:44 PM
#117
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Re: CJ7 3spds?
On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, griffin wrote:
>
> How are these trannies? My latest Jeep I'm looking at is a rusty '80 CJ7
> Laredo 6cyl 258 with 127,000km on it. Original owner. 3spd tranny tho ...
>
> Thanks again for help guys.
The Jeep 3 speeds from that era were cast iron and practically
bullet-proof. IIRC the cases and innards were shared with Scouts and
perhaps Broncos, with some small changes to the input and output.
--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
>
> How are these trannies? My latest Jeep I'm looking at is a rusty '80 CJ7
> Laredo 6cyl 258 with 127,000km on it. Original owner. 3spd tranny tho ...
>
> Thanks again for help guys.
The Jeep 3 speeds from that era were cast iron and practically
bullet-proof. IIRC the cases and innards were shared with Scouts and
perhaps Broncos, with some small changes to the input and output.
--
"We began to realize, as we plowed on with the destruction of New Jersey,
that the extent of our American lunatic fringe had been underestimated."
Orson Wells on the reaction to the _War Of The Worlds_ broadcast.
06-24-2007, 06:44 AM
#118
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Re: Re: CJ7 3spds?
5th gear is even pretty useless on a 3.07 ratio with 29s on a stock set up.
If you bothered to read Mike's posts instead of ranting you will note that
he doesn't do rock crawling - so for him his set up works. Autoboxes do
great with less than 5 gears.
Dave Milne, Scotland
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:46:48 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who
> >knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you
> >have your low range which goes nicely with the 3 speed.
> You are playing with fire taking this guys advise on tire size and
> gear ratios. He think that his 3.31's are a great with oversized tires
> and he see no problem with hving 5th gear kinda usless
If you bothered to read Mike's posts instead of ranting you will note that
he doesn't do rock crawling - so for him his set up works. Autoboxes do
great with less than 5 gears.
Dave Milne, Scotland
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:46:48 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who
> >knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you
> >have your low range which goes nicely with the 3 speed.
> You are playing with fire taking this guys advise on tire size and
> gear ratios. He think that his 3.31's are a great with oversized tires
> and he see no problem with hving 5th gear kinda usless
06-24-2007, 06:44 AM
#119
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Re: Re: CJ7 3spds?
5th gear is even pretty useless on a 3.07 ratio with 29s on a stock set up.
If you bothered to read Mike's posts instead of ranting you will note that
he doesn't do rock crawling - so for him his set up works. Autoboxes do
great with less than 5 gears.
Dave Milne, Scotland
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:46:48 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who
> >knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you
> >have your low range which goes nicely with the 3 speed.
> You are playing with fire taking this guys advise on tire size and
> gear ratios. He think that his 3.31's are a great with oversized tires
> and he see no problem with hving 5th gear kinda usless
If you bothered to read Mike's posts instead of ranting you will note that
he doesn't do rock crawling - so for him his set up works. Autoboxes do
great with less than 5 gears.
Dave Milne, Scotland
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:0hgl73t9rmtduojr3t9st1qr9raajqrg32@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:46:48 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who
> >knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you
> >have your low range which goes nicely with the 3 speed.
> You are playing with fire taking this guys advise on tire size and
> gear ratios. He think that his 3.31's are a great with oversized tires
> and he see no problem with hving 5th gear kinda usless
06-24-2007, 06:44 AM
#120
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Re: Re: CJ7 3spds?
5th gear is even pretty useless on a 3.07 ratio with 29s on a stock set up.
If you bothered to read Mike's posts instead of ranting you will note that
he doesn't do rock crawling - so for him his set up works. Autoboxes do
great with less than 5 gears.
Dave Milne, Scotland
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:46:48 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who
> >knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you
> >have your low range which goes nicely with the 3 speed.
> You are playing with fire taking this guys advise on tire size and
> gear ratios. He think that his 3.31's are a great with oversized tires
> and he see no problem with hving 5th gear kinda usless
If you bothered to read Mike's posts instead of ranting you will note that
he doesn't do rock crawling - so for him his set up works. Autoboxes do
great with less than 5 gears.
Dave Milne, Scotland
"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> wrote in message
news:0hgl73t9rmtduojr3t9st1qr9raajqrg32@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:46:48 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who
> >knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you
> >have your low range which goes nicely with the 3 speed.
> You are playing with fire taking this guys advise on tire size and
> gear ratios. He think that his 3.31's are a great with oversized tires
> and he see no problem with hving 5th gear kinda usless
