Mike Romain

No one has ever bitched about the 3 speed that I have heard of, it is a
strong tranny. I have wheeled with folks with them.

I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who
knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you
have your low range which goes nicely with the 3 speed.

Seeing as the CJ7 will fit 31's in it's stock form which is where the
stock speedometer gear is exact to a GPS, upping to a 32 or 33" tires
isn't a big step.

The higher number of gears in the later transmissions and the overdrive
they add in is for that CAFE or whatever they want to call the fuel
consumption numbers. You get better mileage when you have the gear
ranges to keep the engine in it's 'sweet' spot or around 2300 rpm for
the 258.

Look close at the frame tails and at the inside added box frame on the
passenger side behind the door and on the drivers side by the rear of
the front spring for rust and cracks. Also check the steering box
anchor points.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

griffin wrote:
> Hmm, must be a '79 then. I'm going to check it out tomorrow so I'll look at
> the registration, etc. I noticed it lists these gears at 2.99. I know
> nothing of how gears work and what the subsequenct number means when it
> comes to offroading ...is this set-up good if I were to add a bit of lift
> and throw 32 or 33" muds on?
>
> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4679bb52$0$30848$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>> They didn't make a three speed for '80:
>> http://jeep.off-road.com/jeep/articl....jsp?id=277032 If it's
> a
>> year older it would be stronger than anything in Daimler.
>
>

Mike Romain

No one has ever bitched about the 3 speed that I have heard of, it is a
strong tranny. I have wheeled with folks with them.

I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who
knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you
have your low range which goes nicely with the 3 speed.

Seeing as the CJ7 will fit 31's in it's stock form which is where the
stock speedometer gear is exact to a GPS, upping to a 32 or 33" tires
isn't a big step.

The higher number of gears in the later transmissions and the overdrive
they add in is for that CAFE or whatever they want to call the fuel
consumption numbers. You get better mileage when you have the gear
ranges to keep the engine in it's 'sweet' spot or around 2300 rpm for
the 258.

Look close at the frame tails and at the inside added box frame on the
passenger side behind the door and on the drivers side by the rear of
the front spring for rust and cracks. Also check the steering box
anchor points.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

griffin wrote:
> Hmm, must be a '79 then. I'm going to check it out tomorrow so I'll look at
> the registration, etc. I noticed it lists these gears at 2.99. I know
> nothing of how gears work and what the subsequenct number means when it
> comes to offroading ...is this set-up good if I were to add a bit of lift
> and throw 32 or 33" muds on?
>
> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4679bb52$0$30848$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>> They didn't make a three speed for '80:
>> http://jeep.off-road.com/jeep/articl....jsp?id=277032 If it's
> a
>> year older it would be stronger than anything in Daimler.
>
>

Mike Romain

No one has ever bitched about the 3 speed that I have heard of, it is a
strong tranny. I have wheeled with folks with them.

I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who
knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you
have your low range which goes nicely with the 3 speed.

Seeing as the CJ7 will fit 31's in it's stock form which is where the
stock speedometer gear is exact to a GPS, upping to a 32 or 33" tires
isn't a big step.

The higher number of gears in the later transmissions and the overdrive
they add in is for that CAFE or whatever they want to call the fuel
consumption numbers. You get better mileage when you have the gear
ranges to keep the engine in it's 'sweet' spot or around 2300 rpm for
the 258.

Look close at the frame tails and at the inside added box frame on the
passenger side behind the door and on the drivers side by the rear of
the front spring for rust and cracks. Also check the steering box
anchor points.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's - Gone to the rust pile...
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

griffin wrote:
> Hmm, must be a '79 then. I'm going to check it out tomorrow so I'll look at
> the registration, etc. I noticed it lists these gears at 2.99. I know
> nothing of how gears work and what the subsequenct number means when it
> comes to offroading ...is this set-up good if I were to add a bit of lift
> and throw 32 or 33" muds on?
>
> "L.W. (Bill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:4679bb52$0$30848$88260bb3@free.teranews.com.. .
>> They didn't make a three speed for '80:
>> http://jeep.off-road.com/jeep/articl....jsp?id=277032 If it's
> a
>> year older it would be stronger than anything in Daimler.
>
>

SnoMan

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:46:48 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>
>I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who
>knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you
>have your low range which goes nicely with the 3 speed.

You are playing with fire taking this guys advise on tire size and
gear ratios. He think that his 3.31's are a great with oversized tires
and he see no problem with hving 5th gear kinda usless and less power
in all the other gears and needing low rang more by default due to
lack of effective gear ratio. But see people like mike do not
understand the big picture that low range was no made for over sized
tires or to make up for improper effective gear ratio because of tires
size. Mike also beleive that the best way to reduce drive line stress
and wrapup/bind in 4x4 it to burn rubber in reverse too. See mikes
answers are based on ego, not fact, physics or science. When you ahve
a stick shift, the taller the effective ratio, the more torque clutch
has to transmit and the longer it has to slip before the disc and
flywheel speeds are matched for full engagement. SLipping the clutch
does not multiply torque at all. Automatics are a bit more tolerant of
gear ratio changes at start out because the torque converter in the
tranny can multiply engine toque at stall/startup by 2 to 3 times
(depending whether it is a singe or dual stator converter as a dual
stator can do 3 to 1 or a bit better) What this mean is that if to
have a automatic with a 2 to 1 stall and say 200 ft lbs of engine
torque you would have a effect launch ratio of 5 to one in tranny with
a 2 to 1 converter (2.5 gear ratio times 2) so you could put 1000 ft
lbs of torque on tranny output shaft in theory and sustain it for
several seconds if need be. WIth a 3 speed, you would only have 3 to 1
which means max torque would be 600 ft lbs output and if you tried to
hold that level at a stall for more than a second or two tops, clutch
would be toast. THink of it another way, if you go from 28's to 33
with stock gears you effective gear ratio would be about 20% taller
which means it takes 20% more power to do anything and at start out it
would be the same as starting out with a first gear ratio of about 2.4
to 1 with stock tires. It is all related unless you are a rocket
scientist like Mike that beleives none of this even matters at all and
only ego counts and you can fix this with a air cleaner and a
exhaust.. BTW, I am not stalking him but I cannot resit responding to
some of his stupid posts and advise. He leaves the door open a lot.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:46:48 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>
>I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who
>knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you
>have your low range which goes nicely with the 3 speed.

You are playing with fire taking this guys advise on tire size and
gear ratios. He think that his 3.31's are a great with oversized tires
and he see no problem with hving 5th gear kinda usless and less power
in all the other gears and needing low rang more by default due to
lack of effective gear ratio. But see people like mike do not
understand the big picture that low range was no made for over sized
tires or to make up for improper effective gear ratio because of tires
size. Mike also beleive that the best way to reduce drive line stress
and wrapup/bind in 4x4 it to burn rubber in reverse too. See mikes
answers are based on ego, not fact, physics or science. When you ahve
a stick shift, the taller the effective ratio, the more torque clutch
has to transmit and the longer it has to slip before the disc and
flywheel speeds are matched for full engagement. SLipping the clutch
does not multiply torque at all. Automatics are a bit more tolerant of
gear ratio changes at start out because the torque converter in the
tranny can multiply engine toque at stall/startup by 2 to 3 times
(depending whether it is a singe or dual stator converter as a dual
stator can do 3 to 1 or a bit better) What this mean is that if to
have a automatic with a 2 to 1 stall and say 200 ft lbs of engine
torque you would have a effect launch ratio of 5 to one in tranny with
a 2 to 1 converter (2.5 gear ratio times 2) so you could put 1000 ft
lbs of torque on tranny output shaft in theory and sustain it for
several seconds if need be. WIth a 3 speed, you would only have 3 to 1
which means max torque would be 600 ft lbs output and if you tried to
hold that level at a stall for more than a second or two tops, clutch
would be toast. THink of it another way, if you go from 28's to 33
with stock gears you effective gear ratio would be about 20% taller
which means it takes 20% more power to do anything and at start out it
would be the same as starting out with a first gear ratio of about 2.4
to 1 with stock tires. It is all related unless you are a rocket
scientist like Mike that beleives none of this even matters at all and
only ego counts and you can fix this with a air cleaner and a
exhaust.. BTW, I am not stalking him but I cannot resit responding to
some of his stupid posts and advise. He leaves the door open a lot.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:46:48 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>
>I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who
>knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you
>have your low range which goes nicely with the 3 speed.

You are playing with fire taking this guys advise on tire size and
gear ratios. He think that his 3.31's are a great with oversized tires
and he see no problem with hving 5th gear kinda usless and less power
in all the other gears and needing low rang more by default due to
lack of effective gear ratio. But see people like mike do not
understand the big picture that low range was no made for over sized
tires or to make up for improper effective gear ratio because of tires
size. Mike also beleive that the best way to reduce drive line stress
and wrapup/bind in 4x4 it to burn rubber in reverse too. See mikes
answers are based on ego, not fact, physics or science. When you ahve
a stick shift, the taller the effective ratio, the more torque clutch
has to transmit and the longer it has to slip before the disc and
flywheel speeds are matched for full engagement. SLipping the clutch
does not multiply torque at all. Automatics are a bit more tolerant of
gear ratio changes at start out because the torque converter in the
tranny can multiply engine toque at stall/startup by 2 to 3 times
(depending whether it is a singe or dual stator converter as a dual
stator can do 3 to 1 or a bit better) What this mean is that if to
have a automatic with a 2 to 1 stall and say 200 ft lbs of engine
torque you would have a effect launch ratio of 5 to one in tranny with
a 2 to 1 converter (2.5 gear ratio times 2) so you could put 1000 ft
lbs of torque on tranny output shaft in theory and sustain it for
several seconds if need be. WIth a 3 speed, you would only have 3 to 1
which means max torque would be 600 ft lbs output and if you tried to
hold that level at a stall for more than a second or two tops, clutch
would be toast. THink of it another way, if you go from 28's to 33
with stock gears you effective gear ratio would be about 20% taller
which means it takes 20% more power to do anything and at start out it
would be the same as starting out with a first gear ratio of about 2.4
to 1 with stock tires. It is all related unless you are a rocket
scientist like Mike that beleives none of this even matters at all and
only ego counts and you can fix this with a air cleaner and a
exhaust.. BTW, I am not stalking him but I cannot resit responding to
some of his stupid posts and advise. He leaves the door open a lot.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

SnoMan

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 09:46:48 -0400, Mike Romain <romainm@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

>
>I have never heard of any clutch failures in CJ's from 'anyone' who
>knows how to drive a standard tranny in a Jeep. When you off road you
>have your low range which goes nicely with the 3 speed.

You are playing with fire taking this guys advise on tire size and
gear ratios. He think that his 3.31's are a great with oversized tires
and he see no problem with hving 5th gear kinda usless and less power
in all the other gears and needing low rang more by default due to
lack of effective gear ratio. But see people like mike do not
understand the big picture that low range was no made for over sized
tires or to make up for improper effective gear ratio because of tires
size. Mike also beleive that the best way to reduce drive line stress
and wrapup/bind in 4x4 it to burn rubber in reverse too. See mikes
answers are based on ego, not fact, physics or science. When you ahve
a stick shift, the taller the effective ratio, the more torque clutch
has to transmit and the longer it has to slip before the disc and
flywheel speeds are matched for full engagement. SLipping the clutch
does not multiply torque at all. Automatics are a bit more tolerant of
gear ratio changes at start out because the torque converter in the
tranny can multiply engine toque at stall/startup by 2 to 3 times
(depending whether it is a singe or dual stator converter as a dual
stator can do 3 to 1 or a bit better) What this mean is that if to
have a automatic with a 2 to 1 stall and say 200 ft lbs of engine
torque you would have a effect launch ratio of 5 to one in tranny with
a 2 to 1 converter (2.5 gear ratio times 2) so you could put 1000 ft
lbs of torque on tranny output shaft in theory and sustain it for
several seconds if need be. WIth a 3 speed, you would only have 3 to 1
which means max torque would be 600 ft lbs output and if you tried to
hold that level at a stall for more than a second or two tops, clutch
would be toast. THink of it another way, if you go from 28's to 33
with stock gears you effective gear ratio would be about 20% taller
which means it takes 20% more power to do anything and at start out it
would be the same as starting out with a first gear ratio of about 2.4
to 1 with stock tires. It is all related unless you are a rocket
scientist like Mike that beleives none of this even matters at all and
only ego counts and you can fix this with a air cleaner and a
exhaust.. BTW, I am not stalking him but I cannot resit responding to
some of his stupid posts and advise. He leaves the door open a lot.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com

Mike Romain

SnoMan wrote:

You have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that you are a totally
insane lying stalker that gives out advice that will Kill people.

Once again go screw off jerk!

Mike

Mike Romain

SnoMan wrote:

You have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that you are a totally
insane lying stalker that gives out advice that will Kill people.

Once again go screw off jerk!

Mike

Mike Romain

SnoMan wrote:

You have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that you are a totally
insane lying stalker that gives out advice that will Kill people.

Once again go screw off jerk!

Mike