CJ Tub replacement
#21
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Re: CJ Tub replacement
I sent you an email. We have to get together one of these days while your
in town.
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:bpe096$1ng5ik$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Better read Bill's post and go light with the stuff. If they have glass
> beads that would be better. Remember you don't have to get all the paint
> off with sand, just the loose stuff and rust. The woodwork in that house
I
> mentioned wound up looking a bit like driftwood. I think Bill's chemical
> dip approach would be better, but I don't know if there is anything around
> here. Maybe a gel type paint remover would be good to use after a light
> sanding. Lots of snow in Silverton, but I spend the week days here in
> Junction.
>
> Earle
>
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bHtub.28$zu1.62093@news.uswest.net...
> > You're the man Earle! I'll call em and get a price.
> >
> > Hopefully I'll be able to use a wash bay at work to do it (so I won't
have
> > to get my garage all dirty). Should be pretty easy right? We have a
> glass
> > bead machine at work (that you put your arms into gloves in a box) and
> I've
> > cleaned up a bunch of parts that way. Too bad my tub won't fit in
there!
> >
> > Getting lots of snow? I had to go to our Aspen office yesterday and
they
> > got dumped on pretty good.
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
message
> > news:bpdnv6$1it4d8$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > http://www.sunstateequip.com (Right in Grand Junction)
> > >
> > > This is a DIY operation, but you're going to get sand all over the
> place.
> > > You want to remove EVERYTHING from your work area first. We used one
to
> > > strip paint in an old house once, and they are great if you like the
> > > textured woodwork effect. ;o)
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iDsub.24$zu1.52201@news.uswest.net...
> > > > Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs
some
> > body
> > > > work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet
in
> > > there
> > > > and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it
> > off,
> > > > but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
> > > >
> > > > I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it
> sandblasted.
> > > > Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
> > > >
> > > > Question:
> > > >
> > > > Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
> > > >
> > > > Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do
yourself?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
in town.
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:bpe096$1ng5ik$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Better read Bill's post and go light with the stuff. If they have glass
> beads that would be better. Remember you don't have to get all the paint
> off with sand, just the loose stuff and rust. The woodwork in that house
I
> mentioned wound up looking a bit like driftwood. I think Bill's chemical
> dip approach would be better, but I don't know if there is anything around
> here. Maybe a gel type paint remover would be good to use after a light
> sanding. Lots of snow in Silverton, but I spend the week days here in
> Junction.
>
> Earle
>
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bHtub.28$zu1.62093@news.uswest.net...
> > You're the man Earle! I'll call em and get a price.
> >
> > Hopefully I'll be able to use a wash bay at work to do it (so I won't
have
> > to get my garage all dirty). Should be pretty easy right? We have a
> glass
> > bead machine at work (that you put your arms into gloves in a box) and
> I've
> > cleaned up a bunch of parts that way. Too bad my tub won't fit in
there!
> >
> > Getting lots of snow? I had to go to our Aspen office yesterday and
they
> > got dumped on pretty good.
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
message
> > news:bpdnv6$1it4d8$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > http://www.sunstateequip.com (Right in Grand Junction)
> > >
> > > This is a DIY operation, but you're going to get sand all over the
> place.
> > > You want to remove EVERYTHING from your work area first. We used one
to
> > > strip paint in an old house once, and they are great if you like the
> > > textured woodwork effect. ;o)
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iDsub.24$zu1.52201@news.uswest.net...
> > > > Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs
some
> > body
> > > > work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet
in
> > > there
> > > > and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it
> > off,
> > > > but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
> > > >
> > > > I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it
> sandblasted.
> > > > Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
> > > >
> > > > Question:
> > > >
> > > > Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
> > > >
> > > > Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do
yourself?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#22
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Re: CJ Tub replacement
I sent you an email. We have to get together one of these days while your
in town.
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:bpe096$1ng5ik$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Better read Bill's post and go light with the stuff. If they have glass
> beads that would be better. Remember you don't have to get all the paint
> off with sand, just the loose stuff and rust. The woodwork in that house
I
> mentioned wound up looking a bit like driftwood. I think Bill's chemical
> dip approach would be better, but I don't know if there is anything around
> here. Maybe a gel type paint remover would be good to use after a light
> sanding. Lots of snow in Silverton, but I spend the week days here in
> Junction.
>
> Earle
>
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bHtub.28$zu1.62093@news.uswest.net...
> > You're the man Earle! I'll call em and get a price.
> >
> > Hopefully I'll be able to use a wash bay at work to do it (so I won't
have
> > to get my garage all dirty). Should be pretty easy right? We have a
> glass
> > bead machine at work (that you put your arms into gloves in a box) and
> I've
> > cleaned up a bunch of parts that way. Too bad my tub won't fit in
there!
> >
> > Getting lots of snow? I had to go to our Aspen office yesterday and
they
> > got dumped on pretty good.
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
message
> > news:bpdnv6$1it4d8$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > http://www.sunstateequip.com (Right in Grand Junction)
> > >
> > > This is a DIY operation, but you're going to get sand all over the
> place.
> > > You want to remove EVERYTHING from your work area first. We used one
to
> > > strip paint in an old house once, and they are great if you like the
> > > textured woodwork effect. ;o)
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iDsub.24$zu1.52201@news.uswest.net...
> > > > Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs
some
> > body
> > > > work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet
in
> > > there
> > > > and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it
> > off,
> > > > but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
> > > >
> > > > I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it
> sandblasted.
> > > > Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
> > > >
> > > > Question:
> > > >
> > > > Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
> > > >
> > > > Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do
yourself?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
in town.
"Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in message
news:bpe096$1ng5ik$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Better read Bill's post and go light with the stuff. If they have glass
> beads that would be better. Remember you don't have to get all the paint
> off with sand, just the loose stuff and rust. The woodwork in that house
I
> mentioned wound up looking a bit like driftwood. I think Bill's chemical
> dip approach would be better, but I don't know if there is anything around
> here. Maybe a gel type paint remover would be good to use after a light
> sanding. Lots of snow in Silverton, but I spend the week days here in
> Junction.
>
> Earle
>
> "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bHtub.28$zu1.62093@news.uswest.net...
> > You're the man Earle! I'll call em and get a price.
> >
> > Hopefully I'll be able to use a wash bay at work to do it (so I won't
have
> > to get my garage all dirty). Should be pretty easy right? We have a
> glass
> > bead machine at work (that you put your arms into gloves in a box) and
> I've
> > cleaned up a bunch of parts that way. Too bad my tub won't fit in
there!
> >
> > Getting lots of snow? I had to go to our Aspen office yesterday and
they
> > got dumped on pretty good.
> >
> > "Earle Horton" <enfermero_diabolico@registerednurses.com> wrote in
message
> > news:bpdnv6$1it4d8$1@ID-147790.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > > http://www.sunstateequip.com (Right in Grand Junction)
> > >
> > > This is a DIY operation, but you're going to get sand all over the
> place.
> > > You want to remove EVERYTHING from your work area first. We used one
to
> > > strip paint in an old house once, and they are great if you like the
> > > textured woodwork effect. ;o)
> > >
> > > Earle
> > >
> > > "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:iDsub.24$zu1.52201@news.uswest.net...
> > > > Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs
some
> > body
> > > > work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet
in
> > > there
> > > > and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it
> > off,
> > > > but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
> > > >
> > > > I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it
> sandblasted.
> > > > Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
> > > >
> > > > Question:
> > > >
> > > > Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
> > > >
> > > > Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do
yourself?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
#23
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Re: CJ Tub replacement
Kevin, while you're at it, if you find a place that does the dipping, you
might as well check into what is called e-coat. This is basically a plating
process and it results in very high corrosion resistance. You can read a
little about it here:
http://www.ppg.com/car_indcoat/electro1.htm
Chris
"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZVwub.587$436.46076@news.uswest.net...
> Thanks for the suggestion Bill. I'll check into that as well.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FBA615A.6D9DB5C4@***.net...
> > Check with your local body repair shops and see if there are still
> > businesses that will dip your whole tub in vats of salutations, like
> > caustic for paint and acid for rust. I did that to my tub and it save me
> > at least a thousand hours. The environmentalist whackos closed the one
> > here, though. If you try to use sand blasting for paint removal you'll
> > be very disappointed.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Kevin Sperle wrote:
> > >
> > > Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs some
> body
> > > work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet in
> there
> > > and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it
> off,
> > > but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
> > >
> > > I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it
sandblasted.
> > > Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
> > >
> > > Question:
> > >
> > > Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
> > >
> > > Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do yourself?
>
>
might as well check into what is called e-coat. This is basically a plating
process and it results in very high corrosion resistance. You can read a
little about it here:
http://www.ppg.com/car_indcoat/electro1.htm
Chris
"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZVwub.587$436.46076@news.uswest.net...
> Thanks for the suggestion Bill. I'll check into that as well.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FBA615A.6D9DB5C4@***.net...
> > Check with your local body repair shops and see if there are still
> > businesses that will dip your whole tub in vats of salutations, like
> > caustic for paint and acid for rust. I did that to my tub and it save me
> > at least a thousand hours. The environmentalist whackos closed the one
> > here, though. If you try to use sand blasting for paint removal you'll
> > be very disappointed.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Kevin Sperle wrote:
> > >
> > > Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs some
> body
> > > work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet in
> there
> > > and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it
> off,
> > > but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
> > >
> > > I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it
sandblasted.
> > > Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
> > >
> > > Question:
> > >
> > > Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
> > >
> > > Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do yourself?
>
>
#24
Guest
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Re: CJ Tub replacement
Kevin, while you're at it, if you find a place that does the dipping, you
might as well check into what is called e-coat. This is basically a plating
process and it results in very high corrosion resistance. You can read a
little about it here:
http://www.ppg.com/car_indcoat/electro1.htm
Chris
"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZVwub.587$436.46076@news.uswest.net...
> Thanks for the suggestion Bill. I'll check into that as well.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FBA615A.6D9DB5C4@***.net...
> > Check with your local body repair shops and see if there are still
> > businesses that will dip your whole tub in vats of salutations, like
> > caustic for paint and acid for rust. I did that to my tub and it save me
> > at least a thousand hours. The environmentalist whackos closed the one
> > here, though. If you try to use sand blasting for paint removal you'll
> > be very disappointed.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Kevin Sperle wrote:
> > >
> > > Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs some
> body
> > > work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet in
> there
> > > and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it
> off,
> > > but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
> > >
> > > I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it
sandblasted.
> > > Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
> > >
> > > Question:
> > >
> > > Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
> > >
> > > Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do yourself?
>
>
might as well check into what is called e-coat. This is basically a plating
process and it results in very high corrosion resistance. You can read a
little about it here:
http://www.ppg.com/car_indcoat/electro1.htm
Chris
"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZVwub.587$436.46076@news.uswest.net...
> Thanks for the suggestion Bill. I'll check into that as well.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FBA615A.6D9DB5C4@***.net...
> > Check with your local body repair shops and see if there are still
> > businesses that will dip your whole tub in vats of salutations, like
> > caustic for paint and acid for rust. I did that to my tub and it save me
> > at least a thousand hours. The environmentalist whackos closed the one
> > here, though. If you try to use sand blasting for paint removal you'll
> > be very disappointed.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Kevin Sperle wrote:
> > >
> > > Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs some
> body
> > > work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet in
> there
> > > and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it
> off,
> > > but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
> > >
> > > I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it
sandblasted.
> > > Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
> > >
> > > Question:
> > >
> > > Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
> > >
> > > Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do yourself?
>
>
#25
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CJ Tub replacement
Kevin, while you're at it, if you find a place that does the dipping, you
might as well check into what is called e-coat. This is basically a plating
process and it results in very high corrosion resistance. You can read a
little about it here:
http://www.ppg.com/car_indcoat/electro1.htm
Chris
"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZVwub.587$436.46076@news.uswest.net...
> Thanks for the suggestion Bill. I'll check into that as well.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FBA615A.6D9DB5C4@***.net...
> > Check with your local body repair shops and see if there are still
> > businesses that will dip your whole tub in vats of salutations, like
> > caustic for paint and acid for rust. I did that to my tub and it save me
> > at least a thousand hours. The environmentalist whackos closed the one
> > here, though. If you try to use sand blasting for paint removal you'll
> > be very disappointed.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Kevin Sperle wrote:
> > >
> > > Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs some
> body
> > > work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet in
> there
> > > and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it
> off,
> > > but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
> > >
> > > I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it
sandblasted.
> > > Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
> > >
> > > Question:
> > >
> > > Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
> > >
> > > Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do yourself?
>
>
might as well check into what is called e-coat. This is basically a plating
process and it results in very high corrosion resistance. You can read a
little about it here:
http://www.ppg.com/car_indcoat/electro1.htm
Chris
"Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ZVwub.587$436.46076@news.uswest.net...
> Thanks for the suggestion Bill. I'll check into that as well.
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FBA615A.6D9DB5C4@***.net...
> > Check with your local body repair shops and see if there are still
> > businesses that will dip your whole tub in vats of salutations, like
> > caustic for paint and acid for rust. I did that to my tub and it save me
> > at least a thousand hours. The environmentalist whackos closed the one
> > here, though. If you try to use sand blasting for paint removal you'll
> > be very disappointed.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > Kevin Sperle wrote:
> > >
> > > Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs some
> body
> > > work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet in
> there
> > > and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it
> off,
> > > but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
> > >
> > > I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it
sandblasted.
> > > Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
> > >
> > > Question:
> > >
> > > Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
> > >
> > > Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do yourself?
>
>
#26
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Re: CJ Tub replacement
Hey Bill,
Many moons ago I used to blast for a living. We did everything from trucks,
tankers (inside/outside), barges, cars etc. Using a 4" hose and 600 psi at
the nozzle, you'd be surprised how nice a finish you can get if you're
patient. I frequently grit blasted 22 gauge sheet metal without distortion
and the pitting was easily overcome with a quality primer... or 3 coats of
rattle can primer. It was a dream booth, room enough for 2 tractor trailers
or train cars side by side... no shovelling, grated floor with recovery
system. Blasting inside tanks was always fun.... two guys, one on the hose,
one on the vacuum.
Bead blasting, or better yet "black beauty" is almost foolproof, sand can be
tricky but it's cheap. The trick is taking your time... multiple passes
using a brush blast technique. If I was still in the business I would charge
2 hrs @ $100/hr with no prep.. roll it in, roll it out.
If there was a hot tank in town big enough I wonder what they would charge.
I used to pay $60 for a block (two dips), $10/head and $10 for the intake...
about 15 years ago!
-Brian
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FBA61E1.2D88E864@***.net...
: Hi Earle,
: Sand blasting works great for cutting out areas of rust on a car
: body, but you'll find if you use it to remove paint you're in for that
: unevenness you called "textured" in fact you'll blow a hole right though
: the adjacent areas of stubborn paint chip. And I think if you used sand
: blasting on these things they call Jeeps today you'll be pinning it into
: a new shape.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Earle Horton wrote:
: >
: > http://www.sunstateequip.com (Right in Grand Junction)
: >
: > This is a DIY operation, but you're going to get sand all over the
place.
: > You want to remove EVERYTHING from your work area first. We used one to
: > strip paint in an old house once, and they are great if you like the
: > textured woodwork effect. ;o)
: >
: > Earle
: >
: > "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > news:iDsub.24$zu1.52201@news.uswest.net...
: > > Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs some
body
: > > work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet in
: > there
: > > and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it
off,
: > > but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
: > >
: > > I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it
sandblasted.
: > > Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
: > >
: > > Question:
: > >
: > > Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
: > >
: > > Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do yourself?
: > >
: > >
Many moons ago I used to blast for a living. We did everything from trucks,
tankers (inside/outside), barges, cars etc. Using a 4" hose and 600 psi at
the nozzle, you'd be surprised how nice a finish you can get if you're
patient. I frequently grit blasted 22 gauge sheet metal without distortion
and the pitting was easily overcome with a quality primer... or 3 coats of
rattle can primer. It was a dream booth, room enough for 2 tractor trailers
or train cars side by side... no shovelling, grated floor with recovery
system. Blasting inside tanks was always fun.... two guys, one on the hose,
one on the vacuum.
Bead blasting, or better yet "black beauty" is almost foolproof, sand can be
tricky but it's cheap. The trick is taking your time... multiple passes
using a brush blast technique. If I was still in the business I would charge
2 hrs @ $100/hr with no prep.. roll it in, roll it out.
If there was a hot tank in town big enough I wonder what they would charge.
I used to pay $60 for a block (two dips), $10/head and $10 for the intake...
about 15 years ago!
-Brian
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FBA61E1.2D88E864@***.net...
: Hi Earle,
: Sand blasting works great for cutting out areas of rust on a car
: body, but you'll find if you use it to remove paint you're in for that
: unevenness you called "textured" in fact you'll blow a hole right though
: the adjacent areas of stubborn paint chip. And I think if you used sand
: blasting on these things they call Jeeps today you'll be pinning it into
: a new shape.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Earle Horton wrote:
: >
: > http://www.sunstateequip.com (Right in Grand Junction)
: >
: > This is a DIY operation, but you're going to get sand all over the
place.
: > You want to remove EVERYTHING from your work area first. We used one to
: > strip paint in an old house once, and they are great if you like the
: > textured woodwork effect. ;o)
: >
: > Earle
: >
: > "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > news:iDsub.24$zu1.52201@news.uswest.net...
: > > Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs some
body
: > > work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet in
: > there
: > > and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it
off,
: > > but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
: > >
: > > I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it
sandblasted.
: > > Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
: > >
: > > Question:
: > >
: > > Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
: > >
: > > Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do yourself?
: > >
: > >
#27
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Posts: n/a
Re: CJ Tub replacement
Hey Bill,
Many moons ago I used to blast for a living. We did everything from trucks,
tankers (inside/outside), barges, cars etc. Using a 4" hose and 600 psi at
the nozzle, you'd be surprised how nice a finish you can get if you're
patient. I frequently grit blasted 22 gauge sheet metal without distortion
and the pitting was easily overcome with a quality primer... or 3 coats of
rattle can primer. It was a dream booth, room enough for 2 tractor trailers
or train cars side by side... no shovelling, grated floor with recovery
system. Blasting inside tanks was always fun.... two guys, one on the hose,
one on the vacuum.
Bead blasting, or better yet "black beauty" is almost foolproof, sand can be
tricky but it's cheap. The trick is taking your time... multiple passes
using a brush blast technique. If I was still in the business I would charge
2 hrs @ $100/hr with no prep.. roll it in, roll it out.
If there was a hot tank in town big enough I wonder what they would charge.
I used to pay $60 for a block (two dips), $10/head and $10 for the intake...
about 15 years ago!
-Brian
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FBA61E1.2D88E864@***.net...
: Hi Earle,
: Sand blasting works great for cutting out areas of rust on a car
: body, but you'll find if you use it to remove paint you're in for that
: unevenness you called "textured" in fact you'll blow a hole right though
: the adjacent areas of stubborn paint chip. And I think if you used sand
: blasting on these things they call Jeeps today you'll be pinning it into
: a new shape.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Earle Horton wrote:
: >
: > http://www.sunstateequip.com (Right in Grand Junction)
: >
: > This is a DIY operation, but you're going to get sand all over the
place.
: > You want to remove EVERYTHING from your work area first. We used one to
: > strip paint in an old house once, and they are great if you like the
: > textured woodwork effect. ;o)
: >
: > Earle
: >
: > "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > news:iDsub.24$zu1.52201@news.uswest.net...
: > > Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs some
body
: > > work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet in
: > there
: > > and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it
off,
: > > but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
: > >
: > > I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it
sandblasted.
: > > Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
: > >
: > > Question:
: > >
: > > Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
: > >
: > > Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do yourself?
: > >
: > >
Many moons ago I used to blast for a living. We did everything from trucks,
tankers (inside/outside), barges, cars etc. Using a 4" hose and 600 psi at
the nozzle, you'd be surprised how nice a finish you can get if you're
patient. I frequently grit blasted 22 gauge sheet metal without distortion
and the pitting was easily overcome with a quality primer... or 3 coats of
rattle can primer. It was a dream booth, room enough for 2 tractor trailers
or train cars side by side... no shovelling, grated floor with recovery
system. Blasting inside tanks was always fun.... two guys, one on the hose,
one on the vacuum.
Bead blasting, or better yet "black beauty" is almost foolproof, sand can be
tricky but it's cheap. The trick is taking your time... multiple passes
using a brush blast technique. If I was still in the business I would charge
2 hrs @ $100/hr with no prep.. roll it in, roll it out.
If there was a hot tank in town big enough I wonder what they would charge.
I used to pay $60 for a block (two dips), $10/head and $10 for the intake...
about 15 years ago!
-Brian
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FBA61E1.2D88E864@***.net...
: Hi Earle,
: Sand blasting works great for cutting out areas of rust on a car
: body, but you'll find if you use it to remove paint you're in for that
: unevenness you called "textured" in fact you'll blow a hole right though
: the adjacent areas of stubborn paint chip. And I think if you used sand
: blasting on these things they call Jeeps today you'll be pinning it into
: a new shape.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Earle Horton wrote:
: >
: > http://www.sunstateequip.com (Right in Grand Junction)
: >
: > This is a DIY operation, but you're going to get sand all over the
place.
: > You want to remove EVERYTHING from your work area first. We used one to
: > strip paint in an old house once, and they are great if you like the
: > textured woodwork effect. ;o)
: >
: > Earle
: >
: > "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > news:iDsub.24$zu1.52201@news.uswest.net...
: > > Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs some
body
: > > work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet in
: > there
: > > and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it
off,
: > > but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
: > >
: > > I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it
sandblasted.
: > > Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
: > >
: > > Question:
: > >
: > > Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
: > >
: > > Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do yourself?
: > >
: > >
#28
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CJ Tub replacement
Hey Bill,
Many moons ago I used to blast for a living. We did everything from trucks,
tankers (inside/outside), barges, cars etc. Using a 4" hose and 600 psi at
the nozzle, you'd be surprised how nice a finish you can get if you're
patient. I frequently grit blasted 22 gauge sheet metal without distortion
and the pitting was easily overcome with a quality primer... or 3 coats of
rattle can primer. It was a dream booth, room enough for 2 tractor trailers
or train cars side by side... no shovelling, grated floor with recovery
system. Blasting inside tanks was always fun.... two guys, one on the hose,
one on the vacuum.
Bead blasting, or better yet "black beauty" is almost foolproof, sand can be
tricky but it's cheap. The trick is taking your time... multiple passes
using a brush blast technique. If I was still in the business I would charge
2 hrs @ $100/hr with no prep.. roll it in, roll it out.
If there was a hot tank in town big enough I wonder what they would charge.
I used to pay $60 for a block (two dips), $10/head and $10 for the intake...
about 15 years ago!
-Brian
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FBA61E1.2D88E864@***.net...
: Hi Earle,
: Sand blasting works great for cutting out areas of rust on a car
: body, but you'll find if you use it to remove paint you're in for that
: unevenness you called "textured" in fact you'll blow a hole right though
: the adjacent areas of stubborn paint chip. And I think if you used sand
: blasting on these things they call Jeeps today you'll be pinning it into
: a new shape.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Earle Horton wrote:
: >
: > http://www.sunstateequip.com (Right in Grand Junction)
: >
: > This is a DIY operation, but you're going to get sand all over the
place.
: > You want to remove EVERYTHING from your work area first. We used one to
: > strip paint in an old house once, and they are great if you like the
: > textured woodwork effect. ;o)
: >
: > Earle
: >
: > "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > news:iDsub.24$zu1.52201@news.uswest.net...
: > > Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs some
body
: > > work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet in
: > there
: > > and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it
off,
: > > but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
: > >
: > > I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it
sandblasted.
: > > Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
: > >
: > > Question:
: > >
: > > Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
: > >
: > > Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do yourself?
: > >
: > >
Many moons ago I used to blast for a living. We did everything from trucks,
tankers (inside/outside), barges, cars etc. Using a 4" hose and 600 psi at
the nozzle, you'd be surprised how nice a finish you can get if you're
patient. I frequently grit blasted 22 gauge sheet metal without distortion
and the pitting was easily overcome with a quality primer... or 3 coats of
rattle can primer. It was a dream booth, room enough for 2 tractor trailers
or train cars side by side... no shovelling, grated floor with recovery
system. Blasting inside tanks was always fun.... two guys, one on the hose,
one on the vacuum.
Bead blasting, or better yet "black beauty" is almost foolproof, sand can be
tricky but it's cheap. The trick is taking your time... multiple passes
using a brush blast technique. If I was still in the business I would charge
2 hrs @ $100/hr with no prep.. roll it in, roll it out.
If there was a hot tank in town big enough I wonder what they would charge.
I used to pay $60 for a block (two dips), $10/head and $10 for the intake...
about 15 years ago!
-Brian
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FBA61E1.2D88E864@***.net...
: Hi Earle,
: Sand blasting works great for cutting out areas of rust on a car
: body, but you'll find if you use it to remove paint you're in for that
: unevenness you called "textured" in fact you'll blow a hole right though
: the adjacent areas of stubborn paint chip. And I think if you used sand
: blasting on these things they call Jeeps today you'll be pinning it into
: a new shape.
: God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
: mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
:
: Earle Horton wrote:
: >
: > http://www.sunstateequip.com (Right in Grand Junction)
: >
: > This is a DIY operation, but you're going to get sand all over the
place.
: > You want to remove EVERYTHING from your work area first. We used one to
: > strip paint in an old house once, and they are great if you like the
: > textured woodwork effect. ;o)
: >
: > Earle
: >
: > "Kevin Sperle" <ksperle@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
: > news:iDsub.24$zu1.52201@news.uswest.net...
: > > Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs some
body
: > > work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet in
: > there
: > > and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it
off,
: > > but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
: > >
: > > I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it
sandblasted.
: > > Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
: > >
: > > Question:
: > >
: > > Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
: > >
: > > Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do yourself?
: > >
: > >
#29
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Posts: n/a
Re: CJ Tub replacement
Kevin Sperle wrote:
> Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs some body
> work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet in there
> and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it off,
> but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
>
> I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it sandblasted.
> Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
>
> Question:
>
> Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
>
> Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do yourself?
Yes, and they are pretty easy but as others have noted it's not a very
good way to strip a whole paint job off. Use blasting for rust spots, if
you have a big compressor (4hp or more) you can buy a pressurized tank
blaster from harbor freight for around 75 to 150 bucks that will do just
fine for spots.
Use an orbital or palm sander for scuffing the old paint, it's easy
enough and striping all the old paint off is a bad idea anyway (think of
the old paint as multiple layer rust protection. Should the new paint
get scratched you'll have something under it besides bare metal.
Also old original paint is usually going to be harder than just about
any paint you can apply.
For that carpet glue, get yourself a gallon of xylol, wipe a spot...
wait a few seconds and hit the same area again. Then get to scrapping.
It should come off pretty easy with a nice sharpened putty knife. Xylol
melts the crap out of carpet glue. It'll take a while but sand blasting
wont do s**t to it. This applies on the underside too... built up grease
old undercoating etc. is going to have to be removed with chemicals or
elbow grease, or some combination of both. I would degrease the
underside with engine degreaser, and then scrape heavy stuff, and
finally sand.
And for all of this, get yourself a good respirator rated for chemicals
xylol is potent stuff, and sand silicosis can be lethal.
#30
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CJ Tub replacement
Kevin Sperle wrote:
> Finally bit the bullet and bought a new (used) CJ tub. It needs some body
> work but is in much better shape than mine. A PO installed carpet in there
> and I spent quite a bit of time scraping it out. Got the bulk of it off,
> but a lot of glued down stuff remains.
>
> I guess my options are sand the entire tub down or have it sandblasted.
> Keep in mind I want to do the exterior and underside as well.
>
> Question:
>
> Any idea what I could expect to pay to have it sandblasted?
>
> Do rental places rent sandblasters? Is it pretty easy to do yourself?
Yes, and they are pretty easy but as others have noted it's not a very
good way to strip a whole paint job off. Use blasting for rust spots, if
you have a big compressor (4hp or more) you can buy a pressurized tank
blaster from harbor freight for around 75 to 150 bucks that will do just
fine for spots.
Use an orbital or palm sander for scuffing the old paint, it's easy
enough and striping all the old paint off is a bad idea anyway (think of
the old paint as multiple layer rust protection. Should the new paint
get scratched you'll have something under it besides bare metal.
Also old original paint is usually going to be harder than just about
any paint you can apply.
For that carpet glue, get yourself a gallon of xylol, wipe a spot...
wait a few seconds and hit the same area again. Then get to scrapping.
It should come off pretty easy with a nice sharpened putty knife. Xylol
melts the crap out of carpet glue. It'll take a while but sand blasting
wont do s**t to it. This applies on the underside too... built up grease
old undercoating etc. is going to have to be removed with chemicals or
elbow grease, or some combination of both. I would degrease the
underside with engine degreaser, and then scrape heavy stuff, and
finally sand.
And for all of this, get yourself a good respirator rated for chemicals
xylol is potent stuff, and sand silicosis can be lethal.