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Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
When the motor rolls to the passenger side at acceleration, it seems to me
the hook need to be down on the passenger side to catch that roll. This is the way I have them: (drivers side) frame|_motor_| frame (passenger side) JimG "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:41806932.A5C2E505@sympatico.ca... > The hooks have to be in the direction to hold the torque if you off road > or you 'will' tear the rubber off fast. Just street driving will likely > be fine, maybe? > > They must alternate with the passenger side hook up. > > Jim needs the right oil filter in his Jeep. > > The Dealer's book has a mis print. > > There is a bar across the bottom of the engine to hold it in when the > mounts break. The mount hooks are for torque only. > > Really. Been there, the passenger side mount lasted 2 weeks when I put > it in hook down to 'catch' the engine if the mount broke again because > with the hook up and broke, my short filter got punched out by the mount > when the engine dropped. > > I was wrong. The Haynes Manual shows it right. > > There is serious torque on them off roading. My new one has a badly > bent hook already from the torque it sees. I explode hubs and stuff too > so I guess I off road kinda hard but still. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > JimG wrote: >> >> Mine fit best with both hooks down... I figure that covers forward and >> reverse torque. >> >> JimG >> >> "HomeBrewer" wrote in message... >> > > They alternate. Those are 'torque hooks' and limit the amount of >> > > twist >> > > the engine can put on the rubber of the mount so they don't get torn >> > > off >> > > too fast. >> > >> > This doesn't apply to the v8, because I went to the dealer and they >> > showed >> > me the manual with both hooks up top. Unless the dealer is wrong? >> > >> > -- >> > _____________________ >> > HomeBrewer >> > 85CJ7 (in Progress) >> > http://85cj7.blogspot.com/ >> > 99XJ Sport >> > Remove the xxx to reply! >> > >> > |
Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
When the motor rolls to the passenger side at acceleration, it seems to me
the hook need to be down on the passenger side to catch that roll. This is the way I have them: (drivers side) frame|_motor_| frame (passenger side) JimG "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:41806932.A5C2E505@sympatico.ca... > The hooks have to be in the direction to hold the torque if you off road > or you 'will' tear the rubber off fast. Just street driving will likely > be fine, maybe? > > They must alternate with the passenger side hook up. > > Jim needs the right oil filter in his Jeep. > > The Dealer's book has a mis print. > > There is a bar across the bottom of the engine to hold it in when the > mounts break. The mount hooks are for torque only. > > Really. Been there, the passenger side mount lasted 2 weeks when I put > it in hook down to 'catch' the engine if the mount broke again because > with the hook up and broke, my short filter got punched out by the mount > when the engine dropped. > > I was wrong. The Haynes Manual shows it right. > > There is serious torque on them off roading. My new one has a badly > bent hook already from the torque it sees. I explode hubs and stuff too > so I guess I off road kinda hard but still. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > JimG wrote: >> >> Mine fit best with both hooks down... I figure that covers forward and >> reverse torque. >> >> JimG >> >> "HomeBrewer" wrote in message... >> > > They alternate. Those are 'torque hooks' and limit the amount of >> > > twist >> > > the engine can put on the rubber of the mount so they don't get torn >> > > off >> > > too fast. >> > >> > This doesn't apply to the v8, because I went to the dealer and they >> > showed >> > me the manual with both hooks up top. Unless the dealer is wrong? >> > >> > -- >> > _____________________ >> > HomeBrewer >> > 85CJ7 (in Progress) >> > http://85cj7.blogspot.com/ >> > 99XJ Sport >> > Remove the xxx to reply! >> > >> > |
Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
When the motor rolls to the passenger side at acceleration, it seems to me
the hook need to be down on the passenger side to catch that roll. This is the way I have them: (drivers side) frame|_motor_| frame (passenger side) JimG "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:41806932.A5C2E505@sympatico.ca... > The hooks have to be in the direction to hold the torque if you off road > or you 'will' tear the rubber off fast. Just street driving will likely > be fine, maybe? > > They must alternate with the passenger side hook up. > > Jim needs the right oil filter in his Jeep. > > The Dealer's book has a mis print. > > There is a bar across the bottom of the engine to hold it in when the > mounts break. The mount hooks are for torque only. > > Really. Been there, the passenger side mount lasted 2 weeks when I put > it in hook down to 'catch' the engine if the mount broke again because > with the hook up and broke, my short filter got punched out by the mount > when the engine dropped. > > I was wrong. The Haynes Manual shows it right. > > There is serious torque on them off roading. My new one has a badly > bent hook already from the torque it sees. I explode hubs and stuff too > so I guess I off road kinda hard but still. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > JimG wrote: >> >> Mine fit best with both hooks down... I figure that covers forward and >> reverse torque. >> >> JimG >> >> "HomeBrewer" wrote in message... >> > > They alternate. Those are 'torque hooks' and limit the amount of >> > > twist >> > > the engine can put on the rubber of the mount so they don't get torn >> > > off >> > > too fast. >> > >> > This doesn't apply to the v8, because I went to the dealer and they >> > showed >> > me the manual with both hooks up top. Unless the dealer is wrong? >> > >> > -- >> > _____________________ >> > HomeBrewer >> > 85CJ7 (in Progress) >> > http://85cj7.blogspot.com/ >> > 99XJ Sport >> > Remove the xxx to reply! >> > >> > |
Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
Think again.....
I know it's confusing as ----, I had to double check in the day totally sober to make sure, you had me wondering even. LOL! The engine rolls toward the passenger side. This means that side moves down. The hook's loop is at the top on the engine side of the rubber mount to catch it from moving down too far. The hook 'pin' that catches it is on the frame side pointing up. Same deal on drivers side. The engine will lift up on that side so the hook loop is on the bottom engine side to stop it. As mentioned I tried it with both down and tore the passenger side one right away so the engine lifted up in reverse. I just looked in daytime and 'both' of my 'loops' are bent pretty bad and I am already starting to crack the rubber on that passenger one. My Haynes manual also shows the mounts this way for the 6, the 8 and the 4 although the manual is wrong on the drawing. The drawing shows the hook loops on the frame side when in fact they fit on the engine side. It shows them point the right direction, just a mirror of what they are really. Now if 'your' mounts have the hook loops on the frame side then they go opposite what I have been saying. They still must alternate one up one down though. Mike JimG wrote: > > When the motor rolls to the passenger side at acceleration, it seems to me > the hook need to be down on the passenger side to catch that roll. > This is the way I have them: > (drivers side) frame|_motor_| frame (passenger side) > > JimG > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:41806932.A5C2E505@sympatico.ca... > > The hooks have to be in the direction to hold the torque if you off road > > or you 'will' tear the rubber off fast. Just street driving will likely > > be fine, maybe? > > > > They must alternate with the passenger side hook up. > > > > Jim needs the right oil filter in his Jeep. > > > > The Dealer's book has a mis print. > > > > There is a bar across the bottom of the engine to hold it in when the > > mounts break. The mount hooks are for torque only. > > > > Really. Been there, the passenger side mount lasted 2 weeks when I put > > it in hook down to 'catch' the engine if the mount broke again because > > with the hook up and broke, my short filter got punched out by the mount > > when the engine dropped. > > > > I was wrong. The Haynes Manual shows it right. > > > > There is serious torque on them off roading. My new one has a badly > > bent hook already from the torque it sees. I explode hubs and stuff too > > so I guess I off road kinda hard but still. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > JimG wrote: > >> > >> Mine fit best with both hooks down... I figure that covers forward and > >> reverse torque. > >> > >> JimG > >> > >> "HomeBrewer" wrote in message... > >> > > They alternate. Those are 'torque hooks' and limit the amount of > >> > > twist > >> > > the engine can put on the rubber of the mount so they don't get torn > >> > > off > >> > > too fast. > >> > > >> > This doesn't apply to the v8, because I went to the dealer and they > >> > showed > >> > me the manual with both hooks up top. Unless the dealer is wrong? > >> > > >> > -- > >> > _____________________ > >> > HomeBrewer > >> > 85CJ7 (in Progress) > >> > http://85cj7.blogspot.com/ > >> > 99XJ Sport > >> > Remove the xxx to reply! > >> > > >> > |
Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
Think again.....
I know it's confusing as ----, I had to double check in the day totally sober to make sure, you had me wondering even. LOL! The engine rolls toward the passenger side. This means that side moves down. The hook's loop is at the top on the engine side of the rubber mount to catch it from moving down too far. The hook 'pin' that catches it is on the frame side pointing up. Same deal on drivers side. The engine will lift up on that side so the hook loop is on the bottom engine side to stop it. As mentioned I tried it with both down and tore the passenger side one right away so the engine lifted up in reverse. I just looked in daytime and 'both' of my 'loops' are bent pretty bad and I am already starting to crack the rubber on that passenger one. My Haynes manual also shows the mounts this way for the 6, the 8 and the 4 although the manual is wrong on the drawing. The drawing shows the hook loops on the frame side when in fact they fit on the engine side. It shows them point the right direction, just a mirror of what they are really. Now if 'your' mounts have the hook loops on the frame side then they go opposite what I have been saying. They still must alternate one up one down though. Mike JimG wrote: > > When the motor rolls to the passenger side at acceleration, it seems to me > the hook need to be down on the passenger side to catch that roll. > This is the way I have them: > (drivers side) frame|_motor_| frame (passenger side) > > JimG > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:41806932.A5C2E505@sympatico.ca... > > The hooks have to be in the direction to hold the torque if you off road > > or you 'will' tear the rubber off fast. Just street driving will likely > > be fine, maybe? > > > > They must alternate with the passenger side hook up. > > > > Jim needs the right oil filter in his Jeep. > > > > The Dealer's book has a mis print. > > > > There is a bar across the bottom of the engine to hold it in when the > > mounts break. The mount hooks are for torque only. > > > > Really. Been there, the passenger side mount lasted 2 weeks when I put > > it in hook down to 'catch' the engine if the mount broke again because > > with the hook up and broke, my short filter got punched out by the mount > > when the engine dropped. > > > > I was wrong. The Haynes Manual shows it right. > > > > There is serious torque on them off roading. My new one has a badly > > bent hook already from the torque it sees. I explode hubs and stuff too > > so I guess I off road kinda hard but still. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > JimG wrote: > >> > >> Mine fit best with both hooks down... I figure that covers forward and > >> reverse torque. > >> > >> JimG > >> > >> "HomeBrewer" wrote in message... > >> > > They alternate. Those are 'torque hooks' and limit the amount of > >> > > twist > >> > > the engine can put on the rubber of the mount so they don't get torn > >> > > off > >> > > too fast. > >> > > >> > This doesn't apply to the v8, because I went to the dealer and they > >> > showed > >> > me the manual with both hooks up top. Unless the dealer is wrong? > >> > > >> > -- > >> > _____________________ > >> > HomeBrewer > >> > 85CJ7 (in Progress) > >> > http://85cj7.blogspot.com/ > >> > 99XJ Sport > >> > Remove the xxx to reply! > >> > > >> > |
Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
Think again.....
I know it's confusing as ----, I had to double check in the day totally sober to make sure, you had me wondering even. LOL! The engine rolls toward the passenger side. This means that side moves down. The hook's loop is at the top on the engine side of the rubber mount to catch it from moving down too far. The hook 'pin' that catches it is on the frame side pointing up. Same deal on drivers side. The engine will lift up on that side so the hook loop is on the bottom engine side to stop it. As mentioned I tried it with both down and tore the passenger side one right away so the engine lifted up in reverse. I just looked in daytime and 'both' of my 'loops' are bent pretty bad and I am already starting to crack the rubber on that passenger one. My Haynes manual also shows the mounts this way for the 6, the 8 and the 4 although the manual is wrong on the drawing. The drawing shows the hook loops on the frame side when in fact they fit on the engine side. It shows them point the right direction, just a mirror of what they are really. Now if 'your' mounts have the hook loops on the frame side then they go opposite what I have been saying. They still must alternate one up one down though. Mike JimG wrote: > > When the motor rolls to the passenger side at acceleration, it seems to me > the hook need to be down on the passenger side to catch that roll. > This is the way I have them: > (drivers side) frame|_motor_| frame (passenger side) > > JimG > > "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message > news:41806932.A5C2E505@sympatico.ca... > > The hooks have to be in the direction to hold the torque if you off road > > or you 'will' tear the rubber off fast. Just street driving will likely > > be fine, maybe? > > > > They must alternate with the passenger side hook up. > > > > Jim needs the right oil filter in his Jeep. > > > > The Dealer's book has a mis print. > > > > There is a bar across the bottom of the engine to hold it in when the > > mounts break. The mount hooks are for torque only. > > > > Really. Been there, the passenger side mount lasted 2 weeks when I put > > it in hook down to 'catch' the engine if the mount broke again because > > with the hook up and broke, my short filter got punched out by the mount > > when the engine dropped. > > > > I was wrong. The Haynes Manual shows it right. > > > > There is serious torque on them off roading. My new one has a badly > > bent hook already from the torque it sees. I explode hubs and stuff too > > so I guess I off road kinda hard but still. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > JimG wrote: > >> > >> Mine fit best with both hooks down... I figure that covers forward and > >> reverse torque. > >> > >> JimG > >> > >> "HomeBrewer" wrote in message... > >> > > They alternate. Those are 'torque hooks' and limit the amount of > >> > > twist > >> > > the engine can put on the rubber of the mount so they don't get torn > >> > > off > >> > > too fast. > >> > > >> > This doesn't apply to the v8, because I went to the dealer and they > >> > showed > >> > me the manual with both hooks up top. Unless the dealer is wrong? > >> > > >> > -- > >> > _____________________ > >> > HomeBrewer > >> > 85CJ7 (in Progress) > >> > http://85cj7.blogspot.com/ > >> > 99XJ Sport > >> > Remove the xxx to reply! > >> > > >> > |
Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
Are you saying to install them like this:
Passenger side: http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/psidemount.jpg Drivers side: http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/dsidemount.jpg My haynes manual shows a similar set up to this, but it has an additional bracket that the "hook" goes into between the frame mount and the rubber pad. -- _____________________ HomeBrewer 85CJ7 (in Progress) http://85cj7.blogspot.com/ 99XJ Sport Remove the xxx to reply! |
Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
Are you saying to install them like this:
Passenger side: http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/psidemount.jpg Drivers side: http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/dsidemount.jpg My haynes manual shows a similar set up to this, but it has an additional bracket that the "hook" goes into between the frame mount and the rubber pad. -- _____________________ HomeBrewer 85CJ7 (in Progress) http://85cj7.blogspot.com/ 99XJ Sport Remove the xxx to reply! |
Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
Are you saying to install them like this:
Passenger side: http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/psidemount.jpg Drivers side: http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/dsidemount.jpg My haynes manual shows a similar set up to this, but it has an additional bracket that the "hook" goes into between the frame mount and the rubber pad. -- _____________________ HomeBrewer 85CJ7 (in Progress) http://85cj7.blogspot.com/ 99XJ Sport Remove the xxx to reply! |
Re: CJ six cylinder motor mounts
Well, that is really interesting.....
I could be way off base here, but are you 'sure' those aren't the 'frame' part of the mounts you have bolted to the engine? If your mounts weren't backwards it would be right. On all the ones I have seen and pulled, the square 'loop' part of the mount is the part with the two bolts like yours and the pin side only has one bolt, But, the one bolt side is on the frame mount, not the engine mount. If indeed your metal mounts are right for that setup, then the rubber mounts need to be flipped upside down. You need the square hole loop to grab the bar pin when the engine twists. Naw, you have the same mounts as my 258 and that big curved piece is supposed to be on the frame not the engine, I just went and looked. Even the haynes shows the big clunker parts on the frame side and the smaller ones on the engine. Mike HomeBrewer wrote: > > Are you saying to install them like this: > > Passenger side: > http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/psidemount.jpg > Drivers side: > http://members.cox.net/85cj7/ng/dsidemount.jpg > > My haynes manual shows a similar set up to this, but it has an additional > bracket that the "hook" goes into between the frame mount and the rubber > pad. > -- > _____________________ > HomeBrewer > 85CJ7 (in Progress) > http://85cj7.blogspot.com/ > 99XJ Sport > Remove the xxx to reply! |
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