CRWLR

I think I understand, my point was that one should create flashers from the
turn signals, not the running lamps - as you seemed to have suggested.

And, it turns out the OP has an '81 that has emergency flashers already
built in, all he needs is to figure out how to make them come on because he
hasn't got a button on the side of the steering wheel column.



"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:410543F4.6B614621@***.net...
> I was explaining an easy way to hook up flashers, apparently he has
> turn signals without flasher capability.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> CRWLR wrote:
> >
> > I think you are mistaken, Bill. If one was going to create an flasher
> > circuit, one would wire to the turn signals not the driving (running)
> > lights.

CRWLR

I noticed that after I made my reply.




"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.60.0407261340020.26060@panix2.pani x.com...
>
> In two posts dated today, "ezeppelin" specifies that it is an `81 CJ-7 so
> 4-way flashers would have been factory original safety equipment and
> mandatory on inspection, and that he's suffering with an aftermarket
> steering column that seems to have no provision for 4-way flashers.
> Hence the need to bodge.
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, CRWLR wrote:
>
> > Excuse me for butting in, but if you actually needed flashers, they
would
> > have been provided from the factory. This means you already have the
> > circuitry in place, all you need do is figure out where it is and how to
set
> > it off. If your Jeep has no capacity for flashers, then they are not
> > required. There is no retrofit available that I know of that adds
emergency
> > flashers to vehicles that did not have them from the factory.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <ezeppelin@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:fa415237.0407231150.6fb27c6f@posting.google.c om...
> >> Oops, I forgot to ask one other thing in my message about wiring
> >> circuits...
> >>
> >> My project currently has no hazard lights (flashers.) To get it
> >> street legal, I need to hook some up. I know how to run basic wiring
> >> that will toggle on/off with a switch, but I don't know how to set
> >> something up to flash automatically... or how to integrate this with
> >> the regular headlight switch which just turns the lights 100% on or
> >> 100% off.
> >>
> >> Anyone know how to do this? And while I'm at it... where was the
> >> factory-stock hazard light switch on at a CJ7? (Maybe some parts of
> >> that circuit are still lurking around the jeep somewhere, saving me
> >> the effort if I can find them...)
> >
> >
> >
>

CRWLR

I noticed that after I made my reply.




"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.60.0407261340020.26060@panix2.pani x.com...
>
> In two posts dated today, "ezeppelin" specifies that it is an `81 CJ-7 so
> 4-way flashers would have been factory original safety equipment and
> mandatory on inspection, and that he's suffering with an aftermarket
> steering column that seems to have no provision for 4-way flashers.
> Hence the need to bodge.
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, CRWLR wrote:
>
> > Excuse me for butting in, but if you actually needed flashers, they
would
> > have been provided from the factory. This means you already have the
> > circuitry in place, all you need do is figure out where it is and how to
set
> > it off. If your Jeep has no capacity for flashers, then they are not
> > required. There is no retrofit available that I know of that adds
emergency
> > flashers to vehicles that did not have them from the factory.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <ezeppelin@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:fa415237.0407231150.6fb27c6f@posting.google.c om...
> >> Oops, I forgot to ask one other thing in my message about wiring
> >> circuits...
> >>
> >> My project currently has no hazard lights (flashers.) To get it
> >> street legal, I need to hook some up. I know how to run basic wiring
> >> that will toggle on/off with a switch, but I don't know how to set
> >> something up to flash automatically... or how to integrate this with
> >> the regular headlight switch which just turns the lights 100% on or
> >> 100% off.
> >>
> >> Anyone know how to do this? And while I'm at it... where was the
> >> factory-stock hazard light switch on at a CJ7? (Maybe some parts of
> >> that circuit are still lurking around the jeep somewhere, saving me
> >> the effort if I can find them...)
> >
> >
> >
>

CRWLR

I noticed that after I made my reply.




"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.60.0407261340020.26060@panix2.pani x.com...
>
> In two posts dated today, "ezeppelin" specifies that it is an `81 CJ-7 so
> 4-way flashers would have been factory original safety equipment and
> mandatory on inspection, and that he's suffering with an aftermarket
> steering column that seems to have no provision for 4-way flashers.
> Hence the need to bodge.
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, CRWLR wrote:
>
> > Excuse me for butting in, but if you actually needed flashers, they
would
> > have been provided from the factory. This means you already have the
> > circuitry in place, all you need do is figure out where it is and how to
set
> > it off. If your Jeep has no capacity for flashers, then they are not
> > required. There is no retrofit available that I know of that adds
emergency
> > flashers to vehicles that did not have them from the factory.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <ezeppelin@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:fa415237.0407231150.6fb27c6f@posting.google.c om...
> >> Oops, I forgot to ask one other thing in my message about wiring
> >> circuits...
> >>
> >> My project currently has no hazard lights (flashers.) To get it
> >> street legal, I need to hook some up. I know how to run basic wiring
> >> that will toggle on/off with a switch, but I don't know how to set
> >> something up to flash automatically... or how to integrate this with
> >> the regular headlight switch which just turns the lights 100% on or
> >> 100% off.
> >>
> >> Anyone know how to do this? And while I'm at it... where was the
> >> factory-stock hazard light switch on at a CJ7? (Maybe some parts of
> >> that circuit are still lurking around the jeep somewhere, saving me
> >> the effort if I can find them...)
> >
> >
> >
>

CRWLR

I noticed that after I made my reply.




"Lee Ayrton" <layrton@panix.com> wrote in message
news:Pine.NEB.4.60.0407261340020.26060@panix2.pani x.com...
>
> In two posts dated today, "ezeppelin" specifies that it is an `81 CJ-7 so
> 4-way flashers would have been factory original safety equipment and
> mandatory on inspection, and that he's suffering with an aftermarket
> steering column that seems to have no provision for 4-way flashers.
> Hence the need to bodge.
>
>
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2004, CRWLR wrote:
>
> > Excuse me for butting in, but if you actually needed flashers, they
would
> > have been provided from the factory. This means you already have the
> > circuitry in place, all you need do is figure out where it is and how to
set
> > it off. If your Jeep has no capacity for flashers, then they are not
> > required. There is no retrofit available that I know of that adds
emergency
> > flashers to vehicles that did not have them from the factory.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <ezeppelin@msn.com> wrote in message
> > news:fa415237.0407231150.6fb27c6f@posting.google.c om...
> >> Oops, I forgot to ask one other thing in my message about wiring
> >> circuits...
> >>
> >> My project currently has no hazard lights (flashers.) To get it
> >> street legal, I need to hook some up. I know how to run basic wiring
> >> that will toggle on/off with a switch, but I don't know how to set
> >> something up to flash automatically... or how to integrate this with
> >> the regular headlight switch which just turns the lights 100% on or
> >> 100% off.
> >>
> >> Anyone know how to do this? And while I'm at it... where was the
> >> factory-stock hazard light switch on at a CJ7? (Maybe some parts of
> >> that circuit are still lurking around the jeep somewhere, saving me
> >> the effort if I can find them...)
> >
> >
> >
>

Mike Romain

You are in a bit of trouble, the circuit is pretty complex.

Stock you had a switch in the steering column. The steering column was
a GM style saganaw column.

You need a stock switch that you could wire in with a lot of work. The
stock switch has two parts, it has a switch to bypass the signal light
switch power and a double pole contact to send power to the rear brake
lights and front signal lights.

The stock saganaw steering column is really common, all GM full sized
vans, Camaros, Chevettes, etc used them so the wrecker might be a good
source for the switch or a 'proper' steering column.

What is left of your wiring down where it was supposed to plug into the
steering wheel?

The fuse panel should have two metal can flashers on it or a place for
two flashers. The power wire from the flasher on the panel to the
switch on the column is likely a pink wire.

Then the switch tags the signals inside the multifunction switch in the
column.

I suppose you could just add a double pole, double throw toggle switch
with a flasher inline to the power and fire them all off on the second
throw while breaking the power to the signals on leaving the first throw
so it doesn't short out.

Sort of all the way up gives power to the signal switch via the
red/white trace wire. Then the middle shuts everything off, then down
sends power to the front signal lights via one pole and the rear via the
other pole. (you have to have two wires and two poles or the lights
will short right to left)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"ezeppelin@msn.com" wrote:
>
> Oops, I forgot to ask one other thing in my message about wiring
> circuits...
>
> My project currently has no hazard lights (flashers.) To get it
> street legal, I need to hook some up. I know how to run basic wiring
> that will toggle on/off with a switch, but I don't know how to set
> something up to flash automatically... or how to integrate this with
> the regular headlight switch which just turns the lights 100% on or
> 100% off.
>
> Anyone know how to do this? And while I'm at it... where was the
> factory-stock hazard light switch on at a CJ7? (Maybe some parts of
> that circuit are still lurking around the jeep somewhere, saving me
> the effort if I can find them...)

Mike Romain

You are in a bit of trouble, the circuit is pretty complex.

Stock you had a switch in the steering column. The steering column was
a GM style saganaw column.

You need a stock switch that you could wire in with a lot of work. The
stock switch has two parts, it has a switch to bypass the signal light
switch power and a double pole contact to send power to the rear brake
lights and front signal lights.

The stock saganaw steering column is really common, all GM full sized
vans, Camaros, Chevettes, etc used them so the wrecker might be a good
source for the switch or a 'proper' steering column.

What is left of your wiring down where it was supposed to plug into the
steering wheel?

The fuse panel should have two metal can flashers on it or a place for
two flashers. The power wire from the flasher on the panel to the
switch on the column is likely a pink wire.

Then the switch tags the signals inside the multifunction switch in the
column.

I suppose you could just add a double pole, double throw toggle switch
with a flasher inline to the power and fire them all off on the second
throw while breaking the power to the signals on leaving the first throw
so it doesn't short out.

Sort of all the way up gives power to the signal switch via the
red/white trace wire. Then the middle shuts everything off, then down
sends power to the front signal lights via one pole and the rear via the
other pole. (you have to have two wires and two poles or the lights
will short right to left)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"ezeppelin@msn.com" wrote:
>
> Oops, I forgot to ask one other thing in my message about wiring
> circuits...
>
> My project currently has no hazard lights (flashers.) To get it
> street legal, I need to hook some up. I know how to run basic wiring
> that will toggle on/off with a switch, but I don't know how to set
> something up to flash automatically... or how to integrate this with
> the regular headlight switch which just turns the lights 100% on or
> 100% off.
>
> Anyone know how to do this? And while I'm at it... where was the
> factory-stock hazard light switch on at a CJ7? (Maybe some parts of
> that circuit are still lurking around the jeep somewhere, saving me
> the effort if I can find them...)

Mike Romain

You are in a bit of trouble, the circuit is pretty complex.

Stock you had a switch in the steering column. The steering column was
a GM style saganaw column.

You need a stock switch that you could wire in with a lot of work. The
stock switch has two parts, it has a switch to bypass the signal light
switch power and a double pole contact to send power to the rear brake
lights and front signal lights.

The stock saganaw steering column is really common, all GM full sized
vans, Camaros, Chevettes, etc used them so the wrecker might be a good
source for the switch or a 'proper' steering column.

What is left of your wiring down where it was supposed to plug into the
steering wheel?

The fuse panel should have two metal can flashers on it or a place for
two flashers. The power wire from the flasher on the panel to the
switch on the column is likely a pink wire.

Then the switch tags the signals inside the multifunction switch in the
column.

I suppose you could just add a double pole, double throw toggle switch
with a flasher inline to the power and fire them all off on the second
throw while breaking the power to the signals on leaving the first throw
so it doesn't short out.

Sort of all the way up gives power to the signal switch via the
red/white trace wire. Then the middle shuts everything off, then down
sends power to the front signal lights via one pole and the rear via the
other pole. (you have to have two wires and two poles or the lights
will short right to left)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"ezeppelin@msn.com" wrote:
>
> Oops, I forgot to ask one other thing in my message about wiring
> circuits...
>
> My project currently has no hazard lights (flashers.) To get it
> street legal, I need to hook some up. I know how to run basic wiring
> that will toggle on/off with a switch, but I don't know how to set
> something up to flash automatically... or how to integrate this with
> the regular headlight switch which just turns the lights 100% on or
> 100% off.
>
> Anyone know how to do this? And while I'm at it... where was the
> factory-stock hazard light switch on at a CJ7? (Maybe some parts of
> that circuit are still lurking around the jeep somewhere, saving me
> the effort if I can find them...)

Mike Romain

You are in a bit of trouble, the circuit is pretty complex.

Stock you had a switch in the steering column. The steering column was
a GM style saganaw column.

You need a stock switch that you could wire in with a lot of work. The
stock switch has two parts, it has a switch to bypass the signal light
switch power and a double pole contact to send power to the rear brake
lights and front signal lights.

The stock saganaw steering column is really common, all GM full sized
vans, Camaros, Chevettes, etc used them so the wrecker might be a good
source for the switch or a 'proper' steering column.

What is left of your wiring down where it was supposed to plug into the
steering wheel?

The fuse panel should have two metal can flashers on it or a place for
two flashers. The power wire from the flasher on the panel to the
switch on the column is likely a pink wire.

Then the switch tags the signals inside the multifunction switch in the
column.

I suppose you could just add a double pole, double throw toggle switch
with a flasher inline to the power and fire them all off on the second
throw while breaking the power to the signals on leaving the first throw
so it doesn't short out.

Sort of all the way up gives power to the signal switch via the
red/white trace wire. Then the middle shuts everything off, then down
sends power to the front signal lights via one pole and the rear via the
other pole. (you have to have two wires and two poles or the lights
will short right to left)

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's

"ezeppelin@msn.com" wrote:
>
> Oops, I forgot to ask one other thing in my message about wiring
> circuits...
>
> My project currently has no hazard lights (flashers.) To get it
> street legal, I need to hook some up. I know how to run basic wiring
> that will toggle on/off with a switch, but I don't know how to set
> something up to flash automatically... or how to integrate this with
> the regular headlight switch which just turns the lights 100% on or
> 100% off.
>
> Anyone know how to do this? And while I'm at it... where was the
> factory-stock hazard light switch on at a CJ7? (Maybe some parts of
> that circuit are still lurking around the jeep somewhere, saving me
> the effort if I can find them...)

Lee Ayrton

From the way he phrased the question I was guessing that he wasn't
interested in swapping steering columns, and was hoping for just a switch
he could plug in. That, obviously, isn't in the cards. I wonder if his
after-market column uses a standard GM signal light switch? It could be
as simple as drilling a hole for the button.

My `62 Econoline had a dealer-installed "Emergency flasher". It was a big
red **** in the middle of the dash, about the size of a big truck's air
brake parking brake ****, with a lamp inside. It didn't disconnect the
standard signal flasher when in use, it ran parallel to it. Putting both
the 4-way and the turn signals on at the same time yielded some
interesting patterns as the flashers competed for control. Blink.
Blink. Blinkety-blinkety. Blink... Blinkety-blinkety-blinkety. Blink.
Blink.


On Tue, 27 Jul 2004, Mike Romain wrote:

[snip]
> You need a stock switch that you could wire in with a lot of work. The
> stock switch has two parts, it has a switch to bypass the signal light
> switch power and a double pole contact to send power to the rear brake
> lights and front signal lights.
>
> The stock saganaw steering column is really common, all GM full sized
> vans, Camaros, Chevettes, etc used them so the wrecker might be a good
> source for the switch or a 'proper' steering column.
[snip]

> I suppose you could just add a double pole, double throw toggle switch
> with a flasher inline to the power and fire them all off on the second
> throw while breaking the power to the signals on leaving the first throw
> so it doesn't short out.
[snip]