CJ Body lift question / Rear Disc Brake question / Bill H. ??????
 

Hey Group,
I have a 84 CJ 7 (4.2, T-5, 31/10.50/15) that is very easy to highway @
70 mph. I'm wanting to do a 2 inch body lift ( as opposed to frame lift).
Other than Steering Column and Clutch linkage issues, is there anything else
I should be considering before doing this? Are there any stability /
suspension / steering / drivetrain issues I need to think about?
And while I have your attention... I'd like to put disc brakes on the
rear. Has anyone out there cobbled together a home version of rear disc
brakes with any success? I feel sure I can fabricate the Caliper brackets
and (since I run an auto Parts Store) believe that I can procure calipers
and rotors at a reasonable cost. If anyone has done this I'd like to find
out what the applications are for the calipers and rotors that you used.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Charles E.

Re: CJ Body lift question / Rear Disc Brake question / Bill H. ??????
 

Charles,
Your going to have clearance issues with your fan and the shroud. Don't dump
the shroud, move it down the same amount you lift the body. Body lifts are
usually easy but depending on your particular Jeep, you may or may not have
wiring harness trouble. My 1" body lift was minimal enough to be very little
trouble. As far as stability goes, you lift it, you also raise your center
of balance. Everytime you corner or avoid something in the road, or brake
hard your Jeep will behave different than before. Is it dangerous? That
depends on the driver. I've been driving lifted CJ's for 20 years, I have
alot of experience with them and you have to drive with Center of Balance in
mind. You can't take the exit ramps off interstate whatever at 20mph over
the limit anymore. But offroad you've improved your capability. If that is
your goal, good. If not, I suggest you don't lift it. My opinion FWIW.

As far as the brakes, I recommend you go with a kit that is designed for it.
Think about this. When you shift from drum to disk brakes, you'll need to
change the master cylinder (rear claipers need bigger reservoirs than
drums), the proportioning valve, E-brake actuation will have to be modified,
and brackets need to be fab'd. I've heard of guys using lincoln rear
calipers on CJ's. if you insist on doing it be careful, it's your life
depending on those brakes. An easier way to decrease stopping distance and
power would be to add power brakes, much easier to do.


Rich Harris
1986 CJ7 4.0l head w/MOPAR MPFI, Tom Woods driveshaft, 4:10 w/Detroits F/R,
33" BFG MT's, Rubicon Express springs, ProComp MX6 shocks, revolver
shackles, and a couple more fun tricks.

"Charles Ervin" <charleserv@charter.net> wrote in message
news:q0awh.83$y31.19@newsfe02.lga...
> Hey Group,
> I have a 84 CJ 7 (4.2, T-5, 31/10.50/15) that is very easy to highway
> @ 70 mph. I'm wanting to do a 2 inch body lift ( as opposed to frame
> lift). Other than Steering Column and Clutch linkage issues, is there
> anything else I should be considering before doing this? Are there any
> stability / suspension / steering / drivetrain issues I need to think
> about?
> And while I have your attention... I'd like to put disc brakes on the
> rear. Has anyone out there cobbled together a home version of rear disc
> brakes with any success? I feel sure I can fabricate the Caliper brackets
> and (since I run an auto Parts Store) believe that I can procure calipers
> and rotors at a reasonable cost. If anyone has done this I'd like to find
> out what the applications are for the calipers and rotors that you used.
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> Charles E.
>

Re: CJ Body lift question / Rear Disc Brake question / Bill H. ??????
 

Charles,
Your going to have clearance issues with your fan and the shroud. Don't dump
the shroud, move it down the same amount you lift the body. Body lifts are
usually easy but depending on your particular Jeep, you may or may not have
wiring harness trouble. My 1" body lift was minimal enough to be very little
trouble. As far as stability goes, you lift it, you also raise your center
of balance. Everytime you corner or avoid something in the road, or brake
hard your Jeep will behave different than before. Is it dangerous? That
depends on the driver. I've been driving lifted CJ's for 20 years, I have
alot of experience with them and you have to drive with Center of Balance in
mind. You can't take the exit ramps off interstate whatever at 20mph over
the limit anymore. But offroad you've improved your capability. If that is
your goal, good. If not, I suggest you don't lift it. My opinion FWIW.

As far as the brakes, I recommend you go with a kit that is designed for it.
Think about this. When you shift from drum to disk brakes, you'll need to
change the master cylinder (rear claipers need bigger reservoirs than
drums), the proportioning valve, E-brake actuation will have to be modified,
and brackets need to be fab'd. I've heard of guys using lincoln rear
calipers on CJ's. if you insist on doing it be careful, it's your life
depending on those brakes. An easier way to decrease stopping distance and
power would be to add power brakes, much easier to do.


Rich Harris
1986 CJ7 4.0l head w/MOPAR MPFI, Tom Woods driveshaft, 4:10 w/Detroits F/R,
33" BFG MT's, Rubicon Express springs, ProComp MX6 shocks, revolver
shackles, and a couple more fun tricks.

"Charles Ervin" <charleserv@charter.net> wrote in message
news:q0awh.83$y31.19@newsfe02.lga...
> Hey Group,
> I have a 84 CJ 7 (4.2, T-5, 31/10.50/15) that is very easy to highway
> @ 70 mph. I'm wanting to do a 2 inch body lift ( as opposed to frame
> lift). Other than Steering Column and Clutch linkage issues, is there
> anything else I should be considering before doing this? Are there any
> stability / suspension / steering / drivetrain issues I need to think
> about?
> And while I have your attention... I'd like to put disc brakes on the
> rear. Has anyone out there cobbled together a home version of rear disc
> brakes with any success? I feel sure I can fabricate the Caliper brackets
> and (since I run an auto Parts Store) believe that I can procure calipers
> and rotors at a reasonable cost. If anyone has done this I'd like to find
> out what the applications are for the calipers and rotors that you used.
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> Charles E.
>

Re: CJ Body lift question / Rear Disc Brake question / Bill H. ??????
 

Charles,
Your going to have clearance issues with your fan and the shroud. Don't dump
the shroud, move it down the same amount you lift the body. Body lifts are
usually easy but depending on your particular Jeep, you may or may not have
wiring harness trouble. My 1" body lift was minimal enough to be very little
trouble. As far as stability goes, you lift it, you also raise your center
of balance. Everytime you corner or avoid something in the road, or brake
hard your Jeep will behave different than before. Is it dangerous? That
depends on the driver. I've been driving lifted CJ's for 20 years, I have
alot of experience with them and you have to drive with Center of Balance in
mind. You can't take the exit ramps off interstate whatever at 20mph over
the limit anymore. But offroad you've improved your capability. If that is
your goal, good. If not, I suggest you don't lift it. My opinion FWIW.

As far as the brakes, I recommend you go with a kit that is designed for it.
Think about this. When you shift from drum to disk brakes, you'll need to
change the master cylinder (rear claipers need bigger reservoirs than
drums), the proportioning valve, E-brake actuation will have to be modified,
and brackets need to be fab'd. I've heard of guys using lincoln rear
calipers on CJ's. if you insist on doing it be careful, it's your life
depending on those brakes. An easier way to decrease stopping distance and
power would be to add power brakes, much easier to do.


Rich Harris
1986 CJ7 4.0l head w/MOPAR MPFI, Tom Woods driveshaft, 4:10 w/Detroits F/R,
33" BFG MT's, Rubicon Express springs, ProComp MX6 shocks, revolver
shackles, and a couple more fun tricks.

"Charles Ervin" <charleserv@charter.net> wrote in message
news:q0awh.83$y31.19@newsfe02.lga...
> Hey Group,
> I have a 84 CJ 7 (4.2, T-5, 31/10.50/15) that is very easy to highway
> @ 70 mph. I'm wanting to do a 2 inch body lift ( as opposed to frame
> lift). Other than Steering Column and Clutch linkage issues, is there
> anything else I should be considering before doing this? Are there any
> stability / suspension / steering / drivetrain issues I need to think
> about?
> And while I have your attention... I'd like to put disc brakes on the
> rear. Has anyone out there cobbled together a home version of rear disc
> brakes with any success? I feel sure I can fabricate the Caliper brackets
> and (since I run an auto Parts Store) believe that I can procure calipers
> and rotors at a reasonable cost. If anyone has done this I'd like to find
> out what the applications are for the calipers and rotors that you used.
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> Charles E.
>

Re: CJ Body lift question / Rear Disc Brake question / Bill H. ??????
 

Charles,
Your going to have clearance issues with your fan and the shroud. Don't dump
the shroud, move it down the same amount you lift the body. Body lifts are
usually easy but depending on your particular Jeep, you may or may not have
wiring harness trouble. My 1" body lift was minimal enough to be very little
trouble. As far as stability goes, you lift it, you also raise your center
of balance. Everytime you corner or avoid something in the road, or brake
hard your Jeep will behave different than before. Is it dangerous? That
depends on the driver. I've been driving lifted CJ's for 20 years, I have
alot of experience with them and you have to drive with Center of Balance in
mind. You can't take the exit ramps off interstate whatever at 20mph over
the limit anymore. But offroad you've improved your capability. If that is
your goal, good. If not, I suggest you don't lift it. My opinion FWIW.

As far as the brakes, I recommend you go with a kit that is designed for it.
Think about this. When you shift from drum to disk brakes, you'll need to
change the master cylinder (rear claipers need bigger reservoirs than
drums), the proportioning valve, E-brake actuation will have to be modified,
and brackets need to be fab'd. I've heard of guys using lincoln rear
calipers on CJ's. if you insist on doing it be careful, it's your life
depending on those brakes. An easier way to decrease stopping distance and
power would be to add power brakes, much easier to do.


Rich Harris
1986 CJ7 4.0l head w/MOPAR MPFI, Tom Woods driveshaft, 4:10 w/Detroits F/R,
33" BFG MT's, Rubicon Express springs, ProComp MX6 shocks, revolver
shackles, and a couple more fun tricks.

"Charles Ervin" <charleserv@charter.net> wrote in message
news:q0awh.83$y31.19@newsfe02.lga...
> Hey Group,
> I have a 84 CJ 7 (4.2, T-5, 31/10.50/15) that is very easy to highway
> @ 70 mph. I'm wanting to do a 2 inch body lift ( as opposed to frame
> lift). Other than Steering Column and Clutch linkage issues, is there
> anything else I should be considering before doing this? Are there any
> stability / suspension / steering / drivetrain issues I need to think
> about?
> And while I have your attention... I'd like to put disc brakes on the
> rear. Has anyone out there cobbled together a home version of rear disc
> brakes with any success? I feel sure I can fabricate the Caliper brackets
> and (since I run an auto Parts Store) believe that I can procure calipers
> and rotors at a reasonable cost. If anyone has done this I'd like to find
> out what the applications are for the calipers and rotors that you used.
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> Charles E.
>

Re: CJ Body lift question / Rear Disc Brake question / Bill H. ??????
 

Rich,
Thanks for the input.
I think I'm going to opt for the 1" lift. I have no fan shroud so that
shouldn't be an issue.
The center of gravity thing I will consider. Think I'll lift one side and
see what it looks like before I commit to do doing it.
Brakes.. I have power brakes now but you raise some excellent points. I
think you may be right and I should probably buy a kit that addresses all
those issues.
Thanks again
Charles

"Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:RLawh.3432$Tz4.503@trndny06...
> Charles,
> Your going to have clearance issues with your fan and the shroud. Don't
> dump the shroud, move it down the same amount you lift the body. Body
> lifts are usually easy but depending on your particular Jeep, you may or
> may not have wiring harness trouble. My 1" body lift was minimal enough to
> be very little trouble. As far as stability goes, you lift it, you also
> raise your center of balance. Everytime you corner or avoid something in
> the road, or brake hard your Jeep will behave different than before. Is it
> dangerous? That depends on the driver. I've been driving lifted CJ's for
> 20 years, I have alot of experience with them and you have to drive with
> Center of Balance in mind. You can't take the exit ramps off interstate
> whatever at 20mph over the limit anymore. But offroad you've improved your
> capability. If that is your goal, good. If not, I suggest you don't lift
> it. My opinion FWIW.
>
> As far as the brakes, I recommend you go with a kit that is designed for
> it. Think about this. When you shift from drum to disk brakes, you'll need
> to change the master cylinder (rear claipers need bigger reservoirs than
> drums), the proportioning valve, E-brake actuation will have to be
> modified, and brackets need to be fab'd. I've heard of guys using lincoln
> rear calipers on CJ's. if you insist on doing it be careful, it's your
> life depending on those brakes. An easier way to decrease stopping
> distance and power would be to add power brakes, much easier to do.
>
>
> Rich Harris
> 1986 CJ7 4.0l head w/MOPAR MPFI, Tom Woods driveshaft, 4:10 w/Detroits
> F/R, 33" BFG MT's, Rubicon Express springs, ProComp MX6 shocks, revolver
> shackles, and a couple more fun tricks.
>
> "Charles Ervin" <charleserv@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:q0awh.83$y31.19@newsfe02.lga...
>> Hey Group,
>> I have a 84 CJ 7 (4.2, T-5, 31/10.50/15) that is very easy to highway
>> @ 70 mph. I'm wanting to do a 2 inch body lift ( as opposed to frame
>> lift). Other than Steering Column and Clutch linkage issues, is there
>> anything else I should be considering before doing this? Are there any
>> stability / suspension / steering / drivetrain issues I need to think
>> about?
>> And while I have your attention... I'd like to put disc brakes on the
>> rear. Has anyone out there cobbled together a home version of rear disc
>> brakes with any success? I feel sure I can fabricate the Caliper brackets
>> and (since I run an auto Parts Store) believe that I can procure calipers
>> and rotors at a reasonable cost. If anyone has done this I'd like to find
>> out what the applications are for the calipers and rotors that you used.
>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>> Charles E.
>>
>
>

Re: CJ Body lift question / Rear Disc Brake question / Bill H. ??????
 

Rich,
Thanks for the input.
I think I'm going to opt for the 1" lift. I have no fan shroud so that
shouldn't be an issue.
The center of gravity thing I will consider. Think I'll lift one side and
see what it looks like before I commit to do doing it.
Brakes.. I have power brakes now but you raise some excellent points. I
think you may be right and I should probably buy a kit that addresses all
those issues.
Thanks again
Charles

"Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:RLawh.3432$Tz4.503@trndny06...
> Charles,
> Your going to have clearance issues with your fan and the shroud. Don't
> dump the shroud, move it down the same amount you lift the body. Body
> lifts are usually easy but depending on your particular Jeep, you may or
> may not have wiring harness trouble. My 1" body lift was minimal enough to
> be very little trouble. As far as stability goes, you lift it, you also
> raise your center of balance. Everytime you corner or avoid something in
> the road, or brake hard your Jeep will behave different than before. Is it
> dangerous? That depends on the driver. I've been driving lifted CJ's for
> 20 years, I have alot of experience with them and you have to drive with
> Center of Balance in mind. You can't take the exit ramps off interstate
> whatever at 20mph over the limit anymore. But offroad you've improved your
> capability. If that is your goal, good. If not, I suggest you don't lift
> it. My opinion FWIW.
>
> As far as the brakes, I recommend you go with a kit that is designed for
> it. Think about this. When you shift from drum to disk brakes, you'll need
> to change the master cylinder (rear claipers need bigger reservoirs than
> drums), the proportioning valve, E-brake actuation will have to be
> modified, and brackets need to be fab'd. I've heard of guys using lincoln
> rear calipers on CJ's. if you insist on doing it be careful, it's your
> life depending on those brakes. An easier way to decrease stopping
> distance and power would be to add power brakes, much easier to do.
>
>
> Rich Harris
> 1986 CJ7 4.0l head w/MOPAR MPFI, Tom Woods driveshaft, 4:10 w/Detroits
> F/R, 33" BFG MT's, Rubicon Express springs, ProComp MX6 shocks, revolver
> shackles, and a couple more fun tricks.
>
> "Charles Ervin" <charleserv@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:q0awh.83$y31.19@newsfe02.lga...
>> Hey Group,
>> I have a 84 CJ 7 (4.2, T-5, 31/10.50/15) that is very easy to highway
>> @ 70 mph. I'm wanting to do a 2 inch body lift ( as opposed to frame
>> lift). Other than Steering Column and Clutch linkage issues, is there
>> anything else I should be considering before doing this? Are there any
>> stability / suspension / steering / drivetrain issues I need to think
>> about?
>> And while I have your attention... I'd like to put disc brakes on the
>> rear. Has anyone out there cobbled together a home version of rear disc
>> brakes with any success? I feel sure I can fabricate the Caliper brackets
>> and (since I run an auto Parts Store) believe that I can procure calipers
>> and rotors at a reasonable cost. If anyone has done this I'd like to find
>> out what the applications are for the calipers and rotors that you used.
>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>> Charles E.
>>
>
>

Re: CJ Body lift question / Rear Disc Brake question / Bill H. ??????
 

Rich,
Thanks for the input.
I think I'm going to opt for the 1" lift. I have no fan shroud so that
shouldn't be an issue.
The center of gravity thing I will consider. Think I'll lift one side and
see what it looks like before I commit to do doing it.
Brakes.. I have power brakes now but you raise some excellent points. I
think you may be right and I should probably buy a kit that addresses all
those issues.
Thanks again
Charles

"Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:RLawh.3432$Tz4.503@trndny06...
> Charles,
> Your going to have clearance issues with your fan and the shroud. Don't
> dump the shroud, move it down the same amount you lift the body. Body
> lifts are usually easy but depending on your particular Jeep, you may or
> may not have wiring harness trouble. My 1" body lift was minimal enough to
> be very little trouble. As far as stability goes, you lift it, you also
> raise your center of balance. Everytime you corner or avoid something in
> the road, or brake hard your Jeep will behave different than before. Is it
> dangerous? That depends on the driver. I've been driving lifted CJ's for
> 20 years, I have alot of experience with them and you have to drive with
> Center of Balance in mind. You can't take the exit ramps off interstate
> whatever at 20mph over the limit anymore. But offroad you've improved your
> capability. If that is your goal, good. If not, I suggest you don't lift
> it. My opinion FWIW.
>
> As far as the brakes, I recommend you go with a kit that is designed for
> it. Think about this. When you shift from drum to disk brakes, you'll need
> to change the master cylinder (rear claipers need bigger reservoirs than
> drums), the proportioning valve, E-brake actuation will have to be
> modified, and brackets need to be fab'd. I've heard of guys using lincoln
> rear calipers on CJ's. if you insist on doing it be careful, it's your
> life depending on those brakes. An easier way to decrease stopping
> distance and power would be to add power brakes, much easier to do.
>
>
> Rich Harris
> 1986 CJ7 4.0l head w/MOPAR MPFI, Tom Woods driveshaft, 4:10 w/Detroits
> F/R, 33" BFG MT's, Rubicon Express springs, ProComp MX6 shocks, revolver
> shackles, and a couple more fun tricks.
>
> "Charles Ervin" <charleserv@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:q0awh.83$y31.19@newsfe02.lga...
>> Hey Group,
>> I have a 84 CJ 7 (4.2, T-5, 31/10.50/15) that is very easy to highway
>> @ 70 mph. I'm wanting to do a 2 inch body lift ( as opposed to frame
>> lift). Other than Steering Column and Clutch linkage issues, is there
>> anything else I should be considering before doing this? Are there any
>> stability / suspension / steering / drivetrain issues I need to think
>> about?
>> And while I have your attention... I'd like to put disc brakes on the
>> rear. Has anyone out there cobbled together a home version of rear disc
>> brakes with any success? I feel sure I can fabricate the Caliper brackets
>> and (since I run an auto Parts Store) believe that I can procure calipers
>> and rotors at a reasonable cost. If anyone has done this I'd like to find
>> out what the applications are for the calipers and rotors that you used.
>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>> Charles E.
>>
>
>

Re: CJ Body lift question / Rear Disc Brake question / Bill H. ??????
 

Rich,
Thanks for the input.
I think I'm going to opt for the 1" lift. I have no fan shroud so that
shouldn't be an issue.
The center of gravity thing I will consider. Think I'll lift one side and
see what it looks like before I commit to do doing it.
Brakes.. I have power brakes now but you raise some excellent points. I
think you may be right and I should probably buy a kit that addresses all
those issues.
Thanks again
Charles

"Rich" <harrisfam1988@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:RLawh.3432$Tz4.503@trndny06...
> Charles,
> Your going to have clearance issues with your fan and the shroud. Don't
> dump the shroud, move it down the same amount you lift the body. Body
> lifts are usually easy but depending on your particular Jeep, you may or
> may not have wiring harness trouble. My 1" body lift was minimal enough to
> be very little trouble. As far as stability goes, you lift it, you also
> raise your center of balance. Everytime you corner or avoid something in
> the road, or brake hard your Jeep will behave different than before. Is it
> dangerous? That depends on the driver. I've been driving lifted CJ's for
> 20 years, I have alot of experience with them and you have to drive with
> Center of Balance in mind. You can't take the exit ramps off interstate
> whatever at 20mph over the limit anymore. But offroad you've improved your
> capability. If that is your goal, good. If not, I suggest you don't lift
> it. My opinion FWIW.
>
> As far as the brakes, I recommend you go with a kit that is designed for
> it. Think about this. When you shift from drum to disk brakes, you'll need
> to change the master cylinder (rear claipers need bigger reservoirs than
> drums), the proportioning valve, E-brake actuation will have to be
> modified, and brackets need to be fab'd. I've heard of guys using lincoln
> rear calipers on CJ's. if you insist on doing it be careful, it's your
> life depending on those brakes. An easier way to decrease stopping
> distance and power would be to add power brakes, much easier to do.
>
>
> Rich Harris
> 1986 CJ7 4.0l head w/MOPAR MPFI, Tom Woods driveshaft, 4:10 w/Detroits
> F/R, 33" BFG MT's, Rubicon Express springs, ProComp MX6 shocks, revolver
> shackles, and a couple more fun tricks.
>
> "Charles Ervin" <charleserv@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:q0awh.83$y31.19@newsfe02.lga...
>> Hey Group,
>> I have a 84 CJ 7 (4.2, T-5, 31/10.50/15) that is very easy to highway
>> @ 70 mph. I'm wanting to do a 2 inch body lift ( as opposed to frame
>> lift). Other than Steering Column and Clutch linkage issues, is there
>> anything else I should be considering before doing this? Are there any
>> stability / suspension / steering / drivetrain issues I need to think
>> about?
>> And while I have your attention... I'd like to put disc brakes on the
>> rear. Has anyone out there cobbled together a home version of rear disc
>> brakes with any success? I feel sure I can fabricate the Caliper brackets
>> and (since I run an auto Parts Store) believe that I can procure calipers
>> and rotors at a reasonable cost. If anyone has done this I'd like to find
>> out what the applications are for the calipers and rotors that you used.
>> Thanks in advance for your help.
>> Charles E.
>>
>
>

Re: CJ Body lift question / Rear Disc Brake question / Bill H. ??????
 

Hi Charles,
Might peruse the bone yards for a Javelin that may have disks on the
back, that would give you brackets and parking brake for legality, but you
probably have to drill a new lug pattern in their rotors. I second the kit:
http://www.ssbrakes.com/products/det...CJ-7&year=1984
I prefer eleven inch drums.
God Bless America, Bill 0|||||||0
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/

"Charles Ervin" <charleserv@charter.net> wrote in message
news:Zfbwh.976$6z6.146@newsfe06.lga...
> Rich,
> Thanks for the input.
> I think I'm going to opt for the 1" lift. I have no fan shroud so
that
> shouldn't be an issue.
> The center of gravity thing I will consider. Think I'll lift one side and
> see what it looks like before I commit to do doing it.
> Brakes.. I have power brakes now but you raise some excellent points. I
> think you may be right and I should probably buy a kit that addresses all
> those issues.
> Thanks again
> Charles