Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
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>> However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
>> We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
>> the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
>
> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes.
> But I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what
> do I know.
100+ mph is still the norm on rural autobahn for the larger cars, the
ubiquitous econoboxes kept around 120kph, and speed limits in the cities. I
was there last month, rented a BMW 3-series *diesel,* what a great car that
was. Had it up to 228KPH (about 140mph) at one time but usually I kept it
around 160-170KPH (100mph) and still returned about 26mpg. The only cars
passing me were the big Audis and Mercedes.
No diesel smell, no clattering, very smooth. When will these diesels be
available in the US?
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it? - topic drift
On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
>In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
>
>> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
>> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
>> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
>> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
>> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
>> know.
>Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
>mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
>Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
>bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
>the very fast moving cars.
>
>I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
>designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
>What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
>
>It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
>here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
>never in snow; thankfully.
I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
special.
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>In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
>
>> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
>> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
>> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
>> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
>> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
>> know.
>Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
>mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
>Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
>bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
>the very fast moving cars.
>
>I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
>designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
>What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
>
>It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
>here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
>never in snow; thankfully.
I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
special.
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it? - topic drift
On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
>In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
>
>> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
>> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
>> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
>> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
>> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
>> know.
>Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
>mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
>Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
>bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
>the very fast moving cars.
>
>I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
>designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
>What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
>
>It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
>here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
>never in snow; thankfully.
I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
special.
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>In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
>
>> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
>> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
>> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
>> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
>> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
>> know.
>Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
>mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
>Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
>bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
>the very fast moving cars.
>
>I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
>designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
>What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
>
>It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
>here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
>never in snow; thankfully.
I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
special.
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it? - topic drift
On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
>In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
>
>> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
>> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
>> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
>> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
>> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
>> know.
>Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
>mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
>Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
>bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
>the very fast moving cars.
>
>I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
>designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
>What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
>
>It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
>here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
>never in snow; thankfully.
I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
special.
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>In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
>
>> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
>> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
>> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
>> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
>> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
>> know.
>Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
>mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
>Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
>bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
>the very fast moving cars.
>
>I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
>designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
>What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
>
>It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
>here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
>never in snow; thankfully.
I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
special.
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it? - topic drift
On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
>In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
>
>> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
>> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
>> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
>> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
>> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
>> know.
>Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
>mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
>Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
>bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
>the very fast moving cars.
>
>I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
>designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
>What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
>
>It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
>here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
>never in snow; thankfully.
I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
special.
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>In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
>
>> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
>> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
>> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
>> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
>> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
>> know.
>Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
>mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
>Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
>bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
>the very fast moving cars.
>
>I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
>designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
>What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
>
>It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
>here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
>never in snow; thankfully.
I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
special.
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
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> In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
business 40 years ago.
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> In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
business 40 years ago.
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> In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
business 40 years ago.
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
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> In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
>
> However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out of
business 40 years ago.
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
On Wed, 23 May 2007 23:45:50 -0400, Joe wrote:
>> However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image. We
>> have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in the
>> city and seldom are seen on the highway.
> Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
> hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out
> of business 40 years ago.
I'd have to disagree with that. Most Mercedes (other than the "SUV's")
look great. You don't think an SL500 looks sharp? Even the little 230
Kompressor looks pretty hot.
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>> However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image. We
>> have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in the
>> city and seldom are seen on the highway.
> Well, you can sure say Mercedes owners don't buy for styling. Mercedes
> hasn't used any. If styling was important, Mercedes would have gone out
> of business 40 years ago.
I'd have to disagree with that. Most Mercedes (other than the "SUV's")
look great. You don't think an SL500 looks sharp? Even the little 230
Kompressor looks pretty hot.
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