Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
05-23-2007, 12:52 AM
#51
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
In article <hm6753t47bosr58v9b2aa6k4mfmlakf8s0@4ax.com>,
SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
> It is going to take more than that, Daimler spent 500 million to sell
> Chyrsler after all the money was spent (most of it went back to
> Chysler Financail) and you do you spend a extra 500 milion to sell a
> company unless it stands to cost you a lot more to keep it. Chysler
> has major labor cost problems and either they reduce them a lot with
> major consesions or they go out of bussiness because there will be no
> 3rd option here.
DC could afford to pay to dump Chrysler, they sucked cash out of
Chrysler after the take over.
That Chrysler cash got DC profitable again.
DC will still own part of Chrysler so I expect they will still benefit
from Chryslers higher parts volume and lower costs.
Also I expect Chrysler will still benefit from what they get from
Mercedes.
So both sides should be happy; at least for a while.
SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
> It is going to take more than that, Daimler spent 500 million to sell
> Chyrsler after all the money was spent (most of it went back to
> Chysler Financail) and you do you spend a extra 500 milion to sell a
> company unless it stands to cost you a lot more to keep it. Chysler
> has major labor cost problems and either they reduce them a lot with
> major consesions or they go out of bussiness because there will be no
> 3rd option here.
DC could afford to pay to dump Chrysler, they sucked cash out of
Chrysler after the take over.
That Chrysler cash got DC profitable again.
DC will still own part of Chrysler so I expect they will still benefit
from Chryslers higher parts volume and lower costs.
Also I expect Chrysler will still benefit from what they get from
Mercedes.
So both sides should be happy; at least for a while.
05-23-2007, 12:52 AM
#52
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
In article <hm6753t47bosr58v9b2aa6k4mfmlakf8s0@4ax.com>,
SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
> It is going to take more than that, Daimler spent 500 million to sell
> Chyrsler after all the money was spent (most of it went back to
> Chysler Financail) and you do you spend a extra 500 milion to sell a
> company unless it stands to cost you a lot more to keep it. Chysler
> has major labor cost problems and either they reduce them a lot with
> major consesions or they go out of bussiness because there will be no
> 3rd option here.
DC could afford to pay to dump Chrysler, they sucked cash out of
Chrysler after the take over.
That Chrysler cash got DC profitable again.
DC will still own part of Chrysler so I expect they will still benefit
from Chryslers higher parts volume and lower costs.
Also I expect Chrysler will still benefit from what they get from
Mercedes.
So both sides should be happy; at least for a while.
SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
> It is going to take more than that, Daimler spent 500 million to sell
> Chyrsler after all the money was spent (most of it went back to
> Chysler Financail) and you do you spend a extra 500 milion to sell a
> company unless it stands to cost you a lot more to keep it. Chysler
> has major labor cost problems and either they reduce them a lot with
> major consesions or they go out of bussiness because there will be no
> 3rd option here.
DC could afford to pay to dump Chrysler, they sucked cash out of
Chrysler after the take over.
That Chrysler cash got DC profitable again.
DC will still own part of Chrysler so I expect they will still benefit
from Chryslers higher parts volume and lower costs.
Also I expect Chrysler will still benefit from what they get from
Mercedes.
So both sides should be happy; at least for a while.
05-23-2007, 12:52 AM
#53
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
In article <hm6753t47bosr58v9b2aa6k4mfmlakf8s0@4ax.com>,
SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
> It is going to take more than that, Daimler spent 500 million to sell
> Chyrsler after all the money was spent (most of it went back to
> Chysler Financail) and you do you spend a extra 500 milion to sell a
> company unless it stands to cost you a lot more to keep it. Chysler
> has major labor cost problems and either they reduce them a lot with
> major consesions or they go out of bussiness because there will be no
> 3rd option here.
DC could afford to pay to dump Chrysler, they sucked cash out of
Chrysler after the take over.
That Chrysler cash got DC profitable again.
DC will still own part of Chrysler so I expect they will still benefit
from Chryslers higher parts volume and lower costs.
Also I expect Chrysler will still benefit from what they get from
Mercedes.
So both sides should be happy; at least for a while.
SnoMan <admin@snoman.com> wrote:
> It is going to take more than that, Daimler spent 500 million to sell
> Chyrsler after all the money was spent (most of it went back to
> Chysler Financail) and you do you spend a extra 500 milion to sell a
> company unless it stands to cost you a lot more to keep it. Chysler
> has major labor cost problems and either they reduce them a lot with
> major consesions or they go out of bussiness because there will be no
> 3rd option here.
DC could afford to pay to dump Chrysler, they sucked cash out of
Chrysler after the take over.
That Chrysler cash got DC profitable again.
DC will still own part of Chrysler so I expect they will still benefit
from Chryslers higher parts volume and lower costs.
Also I expect Chrysler will still benefit from what they get from
Mercedes.
So both sides should be happy; at least for a while.
05-23-2007, 01:02 AM
#54
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
"who" <i@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
> In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
>
>> Oh BS. Chrysler has never competed in the Mercedes market, and nobody
>> in the market for a Mercedes or BMW would even consider Chrysler.
>
> Generally you're correct, but I've heard a number of hemi buyers say
> they changed from Mercedes to Chrysler because that drive train was
> almost half the price of the Mercedes.
>
> However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
know.
news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
> In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
>
>> Oh BS. Chrysler has never competed in the Mercedes market, and nobody
>> in the market for a Mercedes or BMW would even consider Chrysler.
>
> Generally you're correct, but I've heard a number of hemi buyers say
> they changed from Mercedes to Chrysler because that drive train was
> almost half the price of the Mercedes.
>
> However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
know.
05-23-2007, 01:02 AM
#55
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
"who" <i@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
> In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
>
>> Oh BS. Chrysler has never competed in the Mercedes market, and nobody
>> in the market for a Mercedes or BMW would even consider Chrysler.
>
> Generally you're correct, but I've heard a number of hemi buyers say
> they changed from Mercedes to Chrysler because that drive train was
> almost half the price of the Mercedes.
>
> However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
know.
news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
> In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
>
>> Oh BS. Chrysler has never competed in the Mercedes market, and nobody
>> in the market for a Mercedes or BMW would even consider Chrysler.
>
> Generally you're correct, but I've heard a number of hemi buyers say
> they changed from Mercedes to Chrysler because that drive train was
> almost half the price of the Mercedes.
>
> However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
know.
05-23-2007, 01:02 AM
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
"who" <i@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
> In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
>
>> Oh BS. Chrysler has never competed in the Mercedes market, and nobody
>> in the market for a Mercedes or BMW would even consider Chrysler.
>
> Generally you're correct, but I've heard a number of hemi buyers say
> they changed from Mercedes to Chrysler because that drive train was
> almost half the price of the Mercedes.
>
> However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
know.
news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
> In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
>
>> Oh BS. Chrysler has never competed in the Mercedes market, and nobody
>> in the market for a Mercedes or BMW would even consider Chrysler.
>
> Generally you're correct, but I've heard a number of hemi buyers say
> they changed from Mercedes to Chrysler because that drive train was
> almost half the price of the Mercedes.
>
> However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
know.
05-23-2007, 01:02 AM
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
"who" <i@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
> In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
>
>> Oh BS. Chrysler has never competed in the Mercedes market, and nobody
>> in the market for a Mercedes or BMW would even consider Chrysler.
>
> Generally you're correct, but I've heard a number of hemi buyers say
> they changed from Mercedes to Chrysler because that drive train was
> almost half the price of the Mercedes.
>
> However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
know.
news:i-EA2BC7.21294322052007@news.telus.net...
> In article <1179857266.830109.152360@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups .com>,
> Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
>
>> Oh BS. Chrysler has never competed in the Mercedes market, and nobody
>> in the market for a Mercedes or BMW would even consider Chrysler.
>
> Generally you're correct, but I've heard a number of hemi buyers say
> they changed from Mercedes to Chrysler because that drive train was
> almost half the price of the Mercedes.
>
> However most Mercedes buyers don't buy for performance, just image.
> We have many Mercedes vehicles around here and they just put along in
> the city and seldom are seen on the highway.
Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
know.
05-23-2007, 03:27 AM
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
"Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
> know.
Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
the very fast moving cars.
I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
never in snow; thankfully.
"Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
> know.
Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
the very fast moving cars.
I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
never in snow; thankfully.
05-23-2007, 03:27 AM
#59
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
"Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
> know.
Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
the very fast moving cars.
I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
never in snow; thankfully.
"Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
> know.
Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
the very fast moving cars.
I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
never in snow; thankfully.
05-23-2007, 03:27 AM
#60
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
"Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
> know.
Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
the very fast moving cars.
I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
never in snow; thankfully.
"Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany, are not
> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are many
> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a Mercedes. But
> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so what do I
> know.
Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are very
bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
the very fast moving cars.
I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
never in snow; thankfully.