I don't agree that the braking or steering is significantly better.
In fact, I've driven some pretty poor handling BMWs and VWs !

Dave Milne, Scotland.

"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
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> I guess I wasn't too clear - even the mainstream cars in Germany have
> to be competent to operate at Vmax otherwise many Germans wouldn't
> consider buying them. They have great brakes and good steering and
> most of the engines are equipped with engine oil coolers to allow
> sustained high speed operation.
>
> The Ferraris, Lambo's A-M etc. you mention aren't mainstream cars but
> their sporting capabilities are obvious.
>
> The others you mention tend to be low volume versions of mainstream
> models with the requisite go-fast parts added on ...
>
> And the 7L American cars generally don't have good handling and aren't
> equipped or tuned for the high speed operation seen in Europe and
> especially Germany.
>
> Sorry to bother the group ...
>
> reboot
> Detroit (well, nearby)
>
> On Sat, 26 May 2007 03:55:20 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>
> >????
> >On that logic you wouldn't have Ferraris, Lamborghinis, Aston Martins,
TVRs,
> >Jaguars,Subarus,Honda NSXs,Mitsubishi EVOs etc etc as they are all built
in
> >countries with speed limits...
> >I'll leave my US friends to add in the wealth of muscle cars as I can't
be
> >bothered to type more.
> >
> >Dave Milne, Scotland
> >
> >"reboot" <reboot@nothere.com> wrote in message
> >news:edr953lmp83bk3p416bu534k2f2rhmksv5@4ax.com.. .
> >> On Wed, 23 May 2007 07:27:41 GMT, who <i@notaspammer.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >In article <9536e$4653cafa$9440b19b$24421@STARBAND.NET>,
> >> > "Billzz" <billzzstring@starband.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Well, we lived in Germany for five years and Mercedes, in Germany,
are
> >not
> >> >> de-tuned as they are for America. Over 100mph is not unusual on the
> >> >> Autobahn, although it may be slower today. I am sure that there are
> >many
> >> >> Mercedes owners, in America, who do not know how to drive a
Mercedes.
> >But
> >> >> I never drove a Mercedes in Germany, I drove an E-Type Jaguar, so
what
> >do I
> >> >> know.
> >> >Not de-tuned here, but hopefully tuned for our driving speeds else the
> >> >mileage at our much lower speeds is poor.
> >> >Germany needs to put some limits on the Autobahn speeds. which are
very
> >> >bad for the environment and unfortunately sometimes bad for those in
> >> >the very fast moving cars.
> >> >
> >> >I shake my head and chuckle when I see someone here driving a car
> >> >designed for twice our speeds, just tooling along here.
> >> >What a waste of money and a misapplication of technology.
> >> >
> >> >It's not how to drive a Mercedes, it's just that the rich who buy them
> >> >here are gentle mature drivers who seldom even go on the highway and
> >> >never in snow; thankfully.
> >>
> >> I strongly disagree - without the possibility of driving at top speed,
> >> German cars (from VWs / Opels - MB / BMW) wouldn't have the brakes and
> >> steering that they do. I've driven at 185 km/hr in a 1.7L TDI Opel
> >> Vectra which around town got the equivalent of more than 35MPG and
> >> still got nearly 20MPG at very high speed (160+ km/hr).
> >>
> >> The German car makers couldn't sell a car in Germany unless it was
> >> mechanically and dynamically safe to drive at its top speed. With
> >> sped limits they would be like French mainstream cars, nothing very
> >> special.
> >>
> >> now, back to the main program ...
> >>
> >> reboot
> >>
> >>
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On Sat, 26 May 2007 08:12:12 GMT, Spam away <Trashhere@spam.net>
wrote:


>> If the people that originally started the NYSE could see it today, they
>> would most probably be first ashamed at the way it has been corrupted over
>> the years, and then probably burn it down...
>>
>> I do hope I don;t appear too harsh =)
>You appear stupid, since you obviously aren't aware what has been going
>on.
>While the Big 3 have shown token interest in reasonably sized cars the
>"import" manufacturers have been building what consumers want at very
>good quality.
>
>Nothing to do with the NYSE or the UAW, just very poor management by the
>Big 3. <snip>

I don't think the OP is necessarily "stupid"...he's right about greed
in US business, but you're right about Big 3 management...THEY'RE the
culprits, and have all the money in the world to deflect blame onto
the floor workers through Rockefeller-like "PR" campaigns and
sniveling to their press puppet, the WSJ...one of the least credible
news organs on the planet.

 

On Sat, 26 May 2007 08:12:12 GMT, Spam away <Trashhere@spam.net>
wrote:


>> If the people that originally started the NYSE could see it today, they
>> would most probably be first ashamed at the way it has been corrupted over
>> the years, and then probably burn it down...
>>
>> I do hope I don;t appear too harsh =)
>You appear stupid, since you obviously aren't aware what has been going
>on.
>While the Big 3 have shown token interest in reasonably sized cars the
>"import" manufacturers have been building what consumers want at very
>good quality.
>
>Nothing to do with the NYSE or the UAW, just very poor management by the
>Big 3. <snip>

I don't think the OP is necessarily "stupid"...he's right about greed
in US business, but you're right about Big 3 management...THEY'RE the
culprits, and have all the money in the world to deflect blame onto
the floor workers through Rockefeller-like "PR" campaigns and
sniveling to their press puppet, the WSJ...one of the least credible
news organs on the planet.

 

On Sat, 26 May 2007 08:12:12 GMT, Spam away <Trashhere@spam.net>
wrote:


>> If the people that originally started the NYSE could see it today, they
>> would most probably be first ashamed at the way it has been corrupted over
>> the years, and then probably burn it down...
>>
>> I do hope I don;t appear too harsh =)
>You appear stupid, since you obviously aren't aware what has been going
>on.
>While the Big 3 have shown token interest in reasonably sized cars the
>"import" manufacturers have been building what consumers want at very
>good quality.
>
>Nothing to do with the NYSE or the UAW, just very poor management by the
>Big 3. <snip>

I don't think the OP is necessarily "stupid"...he's right about greed
in US business, but you're right about Big 3 management...THEY'RE the
culprits, and have all the money in the world to deflect blame onto
the floor workers through Rockefeller-like "PR" campaigns and
sniveling to their press puppet, the WSJ...one of the least credible
news organs on the planet.

 

On Sat, 26 May 2007 08:12:12 GMT, Spam away <Trashhere@spam.net>
wrote:


>> If the people that originally started the NYSE could see it today, they
>> would most probably be first ashamed at the way it has been corrupted over
>> the years, and then probably burn it down...
>>
>> I do hope I don;t appear too harsh =)
>You appear stupid, since you obviously aren't aware what has been going
>on.
>While the Big 3 have shown token interest in reasonably sized cars the
>"import" manufacturers have been building what consumers want at very
>good quality.
>
>Nothing to do with the NYSE or the UAW, just very poor management by the
>Big 3. <snip>

I don't think the OP is necessarily "stupid"...he's right about greed
in US business, but you're right about Big 3 management...THEY'RE the
culprits, and have all the money in the world to deflect blame onto
the floor workers through Rockefeller-like "PR" campaigns and
sniveling to their press puppet, the WSJ...one of the least credible
news organs on the planet.

 

If you read my post carefully, you will note I said "was slow to give up"
not "hasn't given up".
Although you rent a UK car every year or so, I bet you don't drive nearly as
many of them as I do...

Dave Milne, Scotland

"who" <i@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
news:i-9C58F9.18001126052007@news.telus.net...
> In article <yiO5i.1398$4a.857@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>
> > Have you *ever* been in a Mercedes ?? Overpriced and expensive perhaps,
but
> > you can't fault the ride. Certainly not if you come from the US which
has a
> > history of deriving its ride quality from the marine industry and has
been
> > slow to give up cart springs. Wait, that would be logging waggon
springs.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland.
> You are very out of date when is comes to NA cars.
> I rent a UK (sold, none made there anymore) car every year or so, thus I
> know what I'm talking about.

 

If you read my post carefully, you will note I said "was slow to give up"
not "hasn't given up".
Although you rent a UK car every year or so, I bet you don't drive nearly as
many of them as I do...

Dave Milne, Scotland

"who" <i@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
news:i-9C58F9.18001126052007@news.telus.net...
> In article <yiO5i.1398$4a.857@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>
> > Have you *ever* been in a Mercedes ?? Overpriced and expensive perhaps,
but
> > you can't fault the ride. Certainly not if you come from the US which
has a
> > history of deriving its ride quality from the marine industry and has
been
> > slow to give up cart springs. Wait, that would be logging waggon
springs.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland.
> You are very out of date when is comes to NA cars.
> I rent a UK (sold, none made there anymore) car every year or so, thus I
> know what I'm talking about.

 

If you read my post carefully, you will note I said "was slow to give up"
not "hasn't given up".
Although you rent a UK car every year or so, I bet you don't drive nearly as
many of them as I do...

Dave Milne, Scotland

"who" <i@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
news:i-9C58F9.18001126052007@news.telus.net...
> In article <yiO5i.1398$4a.857@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>
> > Have you *ever* been in a Mercedes ?? Overpriced and expensive perhaps,
but
> > you can't fault the ride. Certainly not if you come from the US which
has a
> > history of deriving its ride quality from the marine industry and has
been
> > slow to give up cart springs. Wait, that would be logging waggon
springs.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland.
> You are very out of date when is comes to NA cars.
> I rent a UK (sold, none made there anymore) car every year or so, thus I
> know what I'm talking about.

 

If you read my post carefully, you will note I said "was slow to give up"
not "hasn't given up".
Although you rent a UK car every year or so, I bet you don't drive nearly as
many of them as I do...

Dave Milne, Scotland

"who" <i@notaspammer.net> wrote in message
news:i-9C58F9.18001126052007@news.telus.net...
> In article <yiO5i.1398$4a.857@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>,
> "Dave Milne" <jeep@_removethisbit_milne.info> wrote:
>
> > Have you *ever* been in a Mercedes ?? Overpriced and expensive perhaps,
but
> > you can't fault the ride. Certainly not if you come from the US which
has a
> > history of deriving its ride quality from the marine industry and has
been
> > slow to give up cart springs. Wait, that would be logging waggon
springs.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland.
> You are very out of date when is comes to NA cars.
> I rent a UK (sold, none made there anymore) car every year or so, thus I
> know what I'm talking about.

 

Is the low-sulfur diesel available all over the US yet?

DAS

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> No diesel smell, no clattering, very smooth. When will these diesels be
> available in the US?
>