Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
Typically diesel prices go down in the summer because they are tied to home
heating oil.
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
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> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
>> We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate is
>> one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine heavy
>> crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower
>> than
>> gasoline.
>
> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel is
> far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
heating oil.
"miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
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> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>
>> We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate is
>> one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine heavy
>> crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower
>> than
>> gasoline.
>
> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel is
> far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
On May 30, 9:05 am, miles <n...@nopers.com> wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate is
> > one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine heavy
> > crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower than
> > gasoline.
>
> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel
> is far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
Diesel here in Georgia was more expensive than premium unleaded a year
ago, about the same a month ago, and 20 cents a gal cheaper now. The
interesting thing is, diesel has stayed the same, around $2.80 a
gallon, while gas has gone up.
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate is
> > one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine heavy
> > crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower than
> > gasoline.
>
> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel
> is far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
Diesel here in Georgia was more expensive than premium unleaded a year
ago, about the same a month ago, and 20 cents a gal cheaper now. The
interesting thing is, diesel has stayed the same, around $2.80 a
gallon, while gas has gone up.
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
On May 30, 9:05 am, miles <n...@nopers.com> wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate is
> > one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine heavy
> > crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower than
> > gasoline.
>
> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel
> is far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
Diesel here in Georgia was more expensive than premium unleaded a year
ago, about the same a month ago, and 20 cents a gal cheaper now. The
interesting thing is, diesel has stayed the same, around $2.80 a
gallon, while gas has gone up.
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate is
> > one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine heavy
> > crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower than
> > gasoline.
>
> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel
> is far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
Diesel here in Georgia was more expensive than premium unleaded a year
ago, about the same a month ago, and 20 cents a gal cheaper now. The
interesting thing is, diesel has stayed the same, around $2.80 a
gallon, while gas has gone up.
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
On May 30, 9:05 am, miles <n...@nopers.com> wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate is
> > one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine heavy
> > crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower than
> > gasoline.
>
> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel
> is far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
Diesel here in Georgia was more expensive than premium unleaded a year
ago, about the same a month ago, and 20 cents a gal cheaper now. The
interesting thing is, diesel has stayed the same, around $2.80 a
gallon, while gas has gone up.
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate is
> > one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine heavy
> > crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower than
> > gasoline.
>
> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel
> is far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
Diesel here in Georgia was more expensive than premium unleaded a year
ago, about the same a month ago, and 20 cents a gal cheaper now. The
interesting thing is, diesel has stayed the same, around $2.80 a
gallon, while gas has gone up.
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
On May 30, 9:05 am, miles <n...@nopers.com> wrote:
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate is
> > one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine heavy
> > crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower than
> > gasoline.
>
> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel
> is far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
Diesel here in Georgia was more expensive than premium unleaded a year
ago, about the same a month ago, and 20 cents a gal cheaper now. The
interesting thing is, diesel has stayed the same, around $2.80 a
gallon, while gas has gone up.
> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
> > We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate is
> > one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine heavy
> > crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower than
> > gasoline.
>
> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel
> is far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
Diesel here in Georgia was more expensive than premium unleaded a year
ago, about the same a month ago, and 20 cents a gal cheaper now. The
interesting thing is, diesel has stayed the same, around $2.80 a
gallon, while gas has gone up.
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
Yes.
BTW diesel is only very cheap to refine when it's a marginal product, as it
was in the old days.
Now that diesel demand is greater (in Europe, at least) than the proportion
in which it is produced in the cracking process it has become expensive.
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"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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> Typically diesel prices go down in the summer because they are tied to
> home heating oil.
>
> "miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
> news:rEe7i.343419$7g3.18735@newsfe14.phx...
>> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>
>>> We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate
>>> is
>>> one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine
>>> heavy
>>> crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower
>>> than
>>> gasoline.
>>
>> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel
>> is far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
>
>
BTW diesel is only very cheap to refine when it's a marginal product, as it
was in the old days.
Now that diesel demand is greater (in Europe, at least) than the proportion
in which it is produced in the cracking process it has become expensive.
DAS
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"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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> Typically diesel prices go down in the summer because they are tied to
> home heating oil.
>
> "miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
> news:rEe7i.343419$7g3.18735@newsfe14.phx...
>> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>
>>> We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate
>>> is
>>> one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine
>>> heavy
>>> crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower
>>> than
>>> gasoline.
>>
>> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel
>> is far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
>
>
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
Yes.
BTW diesel is only very cheap to refine when it's a marginal product, as it
was in the old days.
Now that diesel demand is greater (in Europe, at least) than the proportion
in which it is produced in the cracking process it has become expensive.
DAS
For direct replies replace nospam with schmetterling
---
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
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> Typically diesel prices go down in the summer because they are tied to
> home heating oil.
>
> "miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
> news:rEe7i.343419$7g3.18735@newsfe14.phx...
>> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>
>>> We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate
>>> is
>>> one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine
>>> heavy
>>> crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower
>>> than
>>> gasoline.
>>
>> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel
>> is far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
>
>
BTW diesel is only very cheap to refine when it's a marginal product, as it
was in the old days.
Now that diesel demand is greater (in Europe, at least) than the proportion
in which it is produced in the cracking process it has become expensive.
DAS
For direct replies replace nospam with schmetterling
---
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:x6edndb4oeGru8PbnZ2dnUVZ_qupnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Typically diesel prices go down in the summer because they are tied to
> home heating oil.
>
> "miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
> news:rEe7i.343419$7g3.18735@newsfe14.phx...
>> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>
>>> We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate
>>> is
>>> one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine
>>> heavy
>>> crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower
>>> than
>>> gasoline.
>>
>> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel
>> is far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
>
>
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
Yes.
BTW diesel is only very cheap to refine when it's a marginal product, as it
was in the old days.
Now that diesel demand is greater (in Europe, at least) than the proportion
in which it is produced in the cracking process it has become expensive.
DAS
For direct replies replace nospam with schmetterling
---
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:x6edndb4oeGru8PbnZ2dnUVZ_qupnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Typically diesel prices go down in the summer because they are tied to
> home heating oil.
>
> "miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
> news:rEe7i.343419$7g3.18735@newsfe14.phx...
>> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>
>>> We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate
>>> is
>>> one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine
>>> heavy
>>> crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower
>>> than
>>> gasoline.
>>
>> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel
>> is far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
>
>
BTW diesel is only very cheap to refine when it's a marginal product, as it
was in the old days.
Now that diesel demand is greater (in Europe, at least) than the proportion
in which it is produced in the cracking process it has become expensive.
DAS
For direct replies replace nospam with schmetterling
---
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:x6edndb4oeGru8PbnZ2dnUVZ_qupnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Typically diesel prices go down in the summer because they are tied to
> home heating oil.
>
> "miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
> news:rEe7i.343419$7g3.18735@newsfe14.phx...
>> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>
>>> We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate
>>> is
>>> one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine
>>> heavy
>>> crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower
>>> than
>>> gasoline.
>>
>> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel
>> is far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
>
>
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
Yes.
BTW diesel is only very cheap to refine when it's a marginal product, as it
was in the old days.
Now that diesel demand is greater (in Europe, at least) than the proportion
in which it is produced in the cracking process it has become expensive.
DAS
For direct replies replace nospam with schmetterling
---
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:x6edndb4oeGru8PbnZ2dnUVZ_qupnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Typically diesel prices go down in the summer because they are tied to
> home heating oil.
>
> "miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
> news:rEe7i.343419$7g3.18735@newsfe14.phx...
>> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>
>>> We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate
>>> is
>>> one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine
>>> heavy
>>> crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower
>>> than
>>> gasoline.
>>
>> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel
>> is far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
>
>
BTW diesel is only very cheap to refine when it's a marginal product, as it
was in the old days.
Now that diesel demand is greater (in Europe, at least) than the proportion
in which it is produced in the cracking process it has become expensive.
DAS
For direct replies replace nospam with schmetterling
---
"Matt Macchiarolo" <matt@nospamplease.com> wrote in message
news:x6edndb4oeGru8PbnZ2dnUVZ_qupnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
> Typically diesel prices go down in the summer because they are tied to
> home heating oil.
>
> "miles" <nope@nopers.com> wrote in message
> news:rEe7i.343419$7g3.18735@newsfe14.phx...
>> Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:
>>
>>> We have it in OR also. What the ironic thing is, is that this mandate
>>> is
>>> one of the reasons fuel prices went up - it's more costly to refine
>>> heavy
>>> crude to get rid of the sulfur - yet the diesel prices here are lower
>>> than
>>> gasoline.
>>
>> I don't know what the knew mandate actually costs but in general diesel
>> is far cheaper to refine than gasoline.
>
>
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Re: Chrysler - did Cerberus blow it?
There is no such thing as "no styling". Something may be bland in the eyes
of the beholder, but that is a different matter.
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> "Dori A Schmetterling" <info@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> On the whole Mercs have been and are classy and timeless.
>>
>> That's why a 20-yr-old Merc can still pass muster today.
>>
>> DAS
>
> Timeless is a nice way to put it. They certainly aren't out of style. 20
> year old Mercs don't have any character lines on them anywhere, or any
> kind of styling features. They weren't really styled at all, just
> basically a block of soap.
>
> I admit new ones are quite a bit more styled. I was just saying they
> didn't actually use styling for a long time, say 1960 to 2000. I'm not
> saying I didn't like the styling - I'm saying there wasn't any. If you
> don't put lines on something, it's just flat.
>
of the beholder, but that is a different matter.
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> "Dori A Schmetterling" <info@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> On the whole Mercs have been and are classy and timeless.
>>
>> That's why a 20-yr-old Merc can still pass muster today.
>>
>> DAS
>
> Timeless is a nice way to put it. They certainly aren't out of style. 20
> year old Mercs don't have any character lines on them anywhere, or any
> kind of styling features. They weren't really styled at all, just
> basically a block of soap.
>
> I admit new ones are quite a bit more styled. I was just saying they
> didn't actually use styling for a long time, say 1960 to 2000. I'm not
> saying I didn't like the styling - I'm saying there wasn't any. If you
> don't put lines on something, it's just flat.
>