Chrome intake with K&N
#111
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Posts: n/a
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air intake
with a comment about your system.
I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
from atop the exhaust manifold.
As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in cold
air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter (choked)
operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction caused by the small
factory snorkels on some engines.
Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
> billy ray wrote:
>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>>
>>
>>
>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have
>>>> a
>>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
>>>>> could
>>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
>>>>> There
>>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
>>>>> no
>>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>>> overall performance.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> FRH
>>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
>>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box
>>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the
>>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
>>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
>>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
>>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
>>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
>>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending
>>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that off
>>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed,
>>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> FRH
>>
>>
> That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
> statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
>
> --
> FRH
with a comment about your system.
I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
from atop the exhaust manifold.
As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in cold
air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter (choked)
operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction caused by the small
factory snorkels on some engines.
Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
> billy ray wrote:
>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>>
>>
>>
>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have
>>>> a
>>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
>>>>> could
>>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
>>>>> There
>>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
>>>>> no
>>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>>> overall performance.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> FRH
>>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
>>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box
>>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the
>>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
>>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
>>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
>>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
>>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
>>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending
>>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that off
>>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed,
>>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> FRH
>>
>>
> That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
> statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
>
> --
> FRH
#112
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air intake
with a comment about your system.
I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
from atop the exhaust manifold.
As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in cold
air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter (choked)
operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction caused by the small
factory snorkels on some engines.
Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
> billy ray wrote:
>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>>
>>
>>
>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have
>>>> a
>>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
>>>>> could
>>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
>>>>> There
>>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
>>>>> no
>>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>>> overall performance.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> FRH
>>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
>>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box
>>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the
>>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
>>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
>>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
>>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
>>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
>>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending
>>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that off
>>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed,
>>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> FRH
>>
>>
> That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
> statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
>
> --
> FRH
with a comment about your system.
I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
from atop the exhaust manifold.
As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in cold
air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter (choked)
operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction caused by the small
factory snorkels on some engines.
Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
> billy ray wrote:
>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>>
>>
>>
>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have
>>>> a
>>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
>>>>> could
>>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
>>>>> There
>>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
>>>>> no
>>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>>> overall performance.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> FRH
>>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
>>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box
>>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the
>>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
>>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
>>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
>>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
>>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
>>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending
>>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that off
>>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed,
>>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> FRH
>>
>>
> That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
> statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
>
> --
> FRH
#113
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air intake
with a comment about your system.
I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
from atop the exhaust manifold.
As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in cold
air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter (choked)
operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction caused by the small
factory snorkels on some engines.
Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
> billy ray wrote:
>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>>
>>
>>
>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have
>>>> a
>>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
>>>>> could
>>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
>>>>> There
>>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
>>>>> no
>>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>>> overall performance.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> FRH
>>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
>>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box
>>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the
>>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
>>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
>>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
>>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
>>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
>>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending
>>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that off
>>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed,
>>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> FRH
>>
>>
> That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
> statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
>
> --
> FRH
with a comment about your system.
I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
from atop the exhaust manifold.
As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in cold
air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter (choked)
operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction caused by the small
factory snorkels on some engines.
Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
"Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
> billy ray wrote:
>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>>
>>
>>
>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have
>>>> a
>>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
>>>>> could
>>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
>>>>> There
>>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
>>>>> no
>>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>>> overall performance.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> FRH
>>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
>>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box
>>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the
>>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
>>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
>>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
>>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
>>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
>>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending
>>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that off
>>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed,
>>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>>
>>> --
>>> FRH
>>
>>
> That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
> statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
>
> --
> FRH
#114
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
billy ray wrote:
> You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air intake
> with a comment about your system.
>
> I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
> later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
I never said mine was cold air. It is less restricted. That's why I got it.
>
> If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
> from atop the exhaust manifold.
I knew that it wasn't cold air, but it isn't "atop the exhaust manifold"
either
>
> As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in cold
> air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
Obviously not all. My '04 Wrangler X is a case in point. Please tell me
what model Jeep your link showed with the cold air intake. I know it
wasn't a 2004 Wrangler X.
>
> The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
> to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
> weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter (choked)
> operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction caused by the small
> factory snorkels on some engines.
>
> Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
Worked on my '56 Chevy and '65 Corvette.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
>> billy ray wrote:
>>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>>>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have
>>>>> a
>>>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>>>> overall performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> FRH
>>>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>>>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
>>>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box
>>>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the
>>>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
>>>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
>>>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
>>>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
>>>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
>>>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending
>>>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that off
>>>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed,
>>>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> FRH
>>>
>> That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
>> statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
>>
>> --
>> FRH
>
>
I'll be happy if you tell me the year and model Jeep in your link. ;-)
--
FRH
> You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air intake
> with a comment about your system.
>
> I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
> later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
I never said mine was cold air. It is less restricted. That's why I got it.
>
> If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
> from atop the exhaust manifold.
I knew that it wasn't cold air, but it isn't "atop the exhaust manifold"
either
>
> As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in cold
> air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
Obviously not all. My '04 Wrangler X is a case in point. Please tell me
what model Jeep your link showed with the cold air intake. I know it
wasn't a 2004 Wrangler X.
>
> The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
> to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
> weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter (choked)
> operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction caused by the small
> factory snorkels on some engines.
>
> Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
Worked on my '56 Chevy and '65 Corvette.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
>> billy ray wrote:
>>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>>>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have
>>>>> a
>>>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>>>> overall performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> FRH
>>>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>>>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
>>>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box
>>>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the
>>>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
>>>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
>>>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
>>>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
>>>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
>>>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending
>>>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that off
>>>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed,
>>>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> FRH
>>>
>> That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
>> statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
>>
>> --
>> FRH
>
>
I'll be happy if you tell me the year and model Jeep in your link. ;-)
--
FRH
#115
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
billy ray wrote:
> You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air intake
> with a comment about your system.
>
> I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
> later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
I never said mine was cold air. It is less restricted. That's why I got it.
>
> If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
> from atop the exhaust manifold.
I knew that it wasn't cold air, but it isn't "atop the exhaust manifold"
either
>
> As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in cold
> air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
Obviously not all. My '04 Wrangler X is a case in point. Please tell me
what model Jeep your link showed with the cold air intake. I know it
wasn't a 2004 Wrangler X.
>
> The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
> to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
> weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter (choked)
> operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction caused by the small
> factory snorkels on some engines.
>
> Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
Worked on my '56 Chevy and '65 Corvette.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
>> billy ray wrote:
>>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>>>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have
>>>>> a
>>>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>>>> overall performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> FRH
>>>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>>>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
>>>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box
>>>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the
>>>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
>>>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
>>>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
>>>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
>>>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
>>>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending
>>>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that off
>>>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed,
>>>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> FRH
>>>
>> That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
>> statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
>>
>> --
>> FRH
>
>
I'll be happy if you tell me the year and model Jeep in your link. ;-)
--
FRH
> You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air intake
> with a comment about your system.
>
> I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
> later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
I never said mine was cold air. It is less restricted. That's why I got it.
>
> If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
> from atop the exhaust manifold.
I knew that it wasn't cold air, but it isn't "atop the exhaust manifold"
either
>
> As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in cold
> air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
Obviously not all. My '04 Wrangler X is a case in point. Please tell me
what model Jeep your link showed with the cold air intake. I know it
wasn't a 2004 Wrangler X.
>
> The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
> to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
> weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter (choked)
> operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction caused by the small
> factory snorkels on some engines.
>
> Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
Worked on my '56 Chevy and '65 Corvette.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
>> billy ray wrote:
>>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>>>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have
>>>>> a
>>>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>>>> overall performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> FRH
>>>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>>>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
>>>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box
>>>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the
>>>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
>>>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
>>>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
>>>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
>>>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
>>>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending
>>>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that off
>>>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed,
>>>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> FRH
>>>
>> That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
>> statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
>>
>> --
>> FRH
>
>
I'll be happy if you tell me the year and model Jeep in your link. ;-)
--
FRH
#116
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
billy ray wrote:
> You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air intake
> with a comment about your system.
>
> I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
> later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
I never said mine was cold air. It is less restricted. That's why I got it.
>
> If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
> from atop the exhaust manifold.
I knew that it wasn't cold air, but it isn't "atop the exhaust manifold"
either
>
> As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in cold
> air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
Obviously not all. My '04 Wrangler X is a case in point. Please tell me
what model Jeep your link showed with the cold air intake. I know it
wasn't a 2004 Wrangler X.
>
> The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
> to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
> weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter (choked)
> operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction caused by the small
> factory snorkels on some engines.
>
> Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
Worked on my '56 Chevy and '65 Corvette.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
>> billy ray wrote:
>>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>>>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have
>>>>> a
>>>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>>>> overall performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> FRH
>>>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>>>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
>>>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box
>>>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the
>>>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
>>>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
>>>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
>>>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
>>>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
>>>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending
>>>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that off
>>>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed,
>>>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> FRH
>>>
>> That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
>> statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
>>
>> --
>> FRH
>
>
I'll be happy if you tell me the year and model Jeep in your link. ;-)
--
FRH
> You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air intake
> with a comment about your system.
>
> I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
> later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
I never said mine was cold air. It is less restricted. That's why I got it.
>
> If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
> from atop the exhaust manifold.
I knew that it wasn't cold air, but it isn't "atop the exhaust manifold"
either
>
> As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in cold
> air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
Obviously not all. My '04 Wrangler X is a case in point. Please tell me
what model Jeep your link showed with the cold air intake. I know it
wasn't a 2004 Wrangler X.
>
> The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
> to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
> weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter (choked)
> operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction caused by the small
> factory snorkels on some engines.
>
> Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
Worked on my '56 Chevy and '65 Corvette.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
>> billy ray wrote:
>>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>>>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have
>>>>> a
>>>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>>>> overall performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> FRH
>>>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>>>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
>>>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box
>>>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the
>>>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
>>>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
>>>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
>>>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
>>>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
>>>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending
>>>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that off
>>>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed,
>>>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> FRH
>>>
>> That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
>> statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
>>
>> --
>> FRH
>
>
I'll be happy if you tell me the year and model Jeep in your link. ;-)
--
FRH
#117
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
billy ray wrote:
> You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air intake
> with a comment about your system.
>
> I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
> later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
I never said mine was cold air. It is less restricted. That's why I got it.
>
> If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
> from atop the exhaust manifold.
I knew that it wasn't cold air, but it isn't "atop the exhaust manifold"
either
>
> As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in cold
> air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
Obviously not all. My '04 Wrangler X is a case in point. Please tell me
what model Jeep your link showed with the cold air intake. I know it
wasn't a 2004 Wrangler X.
>
> The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
> to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
> weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter (choked)
> operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction caused by the small
> factory snorkels on some engines.
>
> Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
Worked on my '56 Chevy and '65 Corvette.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
>> billy ray wrote:
>>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>>>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have
>>>>> a
>>>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>>>> overall performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> FRH
>>>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>>>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
>>>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box
>>>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the
>>>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
>>>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
>>>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
>>>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
>>>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
>>>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending
>>>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that off
>>>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed,
>>>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> FRH
>>>
>> That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
>> statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
>>
>> --
>> FRH
>
>
I'll be happy if you tell me the year and model Jeep in your link. ;-)
--
FRH
> You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air intake
> with a comment about your system.
>
> I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
> later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
I never said mine was cold air. It is less restricted. That's why I got it.
>
> If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
> from atop the exhaust manifold.
I knew that it wasn't cold air, but it isn't "atop the exhaust manifold"
either
>
> As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in cold
> air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
Obviously not all. My '04 Wrangler X is a case in point. Please tell me
what model Jeep your link showed with the cold air intake. I know it
wasn't a 2004 Wrangler X.
>
> The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
> to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
> weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter (choked)
> operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction caused by the small
> factory snorkels on some engines.
>
> Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
Worked on my '56 Chevy and '65 Corvette.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
>> billy ray wrote:
>>> http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
>>> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
>>>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
>>>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on, have
>>>>> a
>>>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
>>>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
>>>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
>>>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
>>>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
>>>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
>>>>>> There
>>>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
>>>>>> no
>>>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
>>>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
>>>>>> overall performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> FRH
>>>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The air
>>>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
>>>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the box
>>>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above the
>>>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
>>>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
>>>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
>>>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
>>>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
>>>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet" extending
>>>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that off
>>>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual Feed,
>>>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> FRH
>>>
>> That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
>> statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
>>
>> --
>> FRH
>
>
I'll be happy if you tell me the year and model Jeep in your link. ;-)
--
FRH
#118
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:712af$44dfe018$48311eaf$32548@FUSE.NET...
> You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air
> intake with a comment about your system.
>
> I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
> later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
>
> If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
> from atop the exhaust manifold.
>
> As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in
> cold air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
>
> The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
> to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
> weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter
> (choked) operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction
> caused by the small factory snorkels on some engines.
>
> Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
>
After this "modification" we got a lot of cool sucking sounds from under the
hood. ;^)
Earle
>
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
> > billy ray wrote:
> >>
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> >> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
> >>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> >>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on,
have
> >>>> a
> >>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
> >>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
> >>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
> >>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
> >>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
> >>>>> could
> >>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
> >>>>> There
> >>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
> >>>>> no
> >>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
> >>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
> >>>>> overall performance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> FRH
> >>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The
air
> >>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
> >>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the
box
> >>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above
the
> >>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
> >>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
> >>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
> >>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
> >>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
> >>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet"
extending
> >>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that
off
> >>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual
Feed,
> >>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> FRH
> >>
> >>
> > That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
> > statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
> >
> > --
> > FRH
>
>
news:712af$44dfe018$48311eaf$32548@FUSE.NET...
> You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air
> intake with a comment about your system.
>
> I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
> later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
>
> If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
> from atop the exhaust manifold.
>
> As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in
> cold air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
>
> The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
> to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
> weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter
> (choked) operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction
> caused by the small factory snorkels on some engines.
>
> Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
>
After this "modification" we got a lot of cool sucking sounds from under the
hood. ;^)
Earle
>
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
> > billy ray wrote:
> >>
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> >> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
> >>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> >>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on,
have
> >>>> a
> >>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
> >>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
> >>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
> >>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
> >>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
> >>>>> could
> >>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
> >>>>> There
> >>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
> >>>>> no
> >>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
> >>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
> >>>>> overall performance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> FRH
> >>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The
air
> >>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
> >>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the
box
> >>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above
the
> >>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
> >>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
> >>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
> >>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
> >>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
> >>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet"
extending
> >>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that
off
> >>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual
Feed,
> >>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> FRH
> >>
> >>
> > That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
> > statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
> >
> > --
> > FRH
>
>
#119
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:712af$44dfe018$48311eaf$32548@FUSE.NET...
> You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air
> intake with a comment about your system.
>
> I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
> later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
>
> If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
> from atop the exhaust manifold.
>
> As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in
> cold air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
>
> The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
> to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
> weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter
> (choked) operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction
> caused by the small factory snorkels on some engines.
>
> Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
>
After this "modification" we got a lot of cool sucking sounds from under the
hood. ;^)
Earle
>
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
> > billy ray wrote:
> >>
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> >> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
> >>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> >>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on,
have
> >>>> a
> >>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
> >>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
> >>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
> >>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
> >>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
> >>>>> could
> >>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
> >>>>> There
> >>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
> >>>>> no
> >>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
> >>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
> >>>>> overall performance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> FRH
> >>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The
air
> >>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
> >>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the
box
> >>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above
the
> >>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
> >>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
> >>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
> >>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
> >>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
> >>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet"
extending
> >>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that
off
> >>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual
Feed,
> >>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> FRH
> >>
> >>
> > That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
> > statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
> >
> > --
> > FRH
>
>
news:712af$44dfe018$48311eaf$32548@FUSE.NET...
> You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air
> intake with a comment about your system.
>
> I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
> later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
>
> If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
> from atop the exhaust manifold.
>
> As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in
> cold air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
>
> The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
> to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
> weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter
> (choked) operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction
> caused by the small factory snorkels on some engines.
>
> Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
>
After this "modification" we got a lot of cool sucking sounds from under the
hood. ;^)
Earle
>
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
> > billy ray wrote:
> >>
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> >> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
> >>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> >>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on,
have
> >>>> a
> >>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
> >>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
> >>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
> >>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
> >>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
> >>>>> could
> >>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
> >>>>> There
> >>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
> >>>>> no
> >>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
> >>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
> >>>>> overall performance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> FRH
> >>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The
air
> >>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
> >>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the
box
> >>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above
the
> >>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
> >>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
> >>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
> >>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
> >>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
> >>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet"
extending
> >>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that
off
> >>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual
Feed,
> >>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> FRH
> >>
> >>
> > That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
> > statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
> >
> > --
> > FRH
>
>
#120
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Chrome intake with K&N
"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:712af$44dfe018$48311eaf$32548@FUSE.NET...
> You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air
> intake with a comment about your system.
>
> I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
> later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
>
> If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
> from atop the exhaust manifold.
>
> As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in
> cold air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
>
> The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
> to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
> weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter
> (choked) operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction
> caused by the small factory snorkels on some engines.
>
> Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
>
After this "modification" we got a lot of cool sucking sounds from under the
hood. ;^)
Earle
>
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
> > billy ray wrote:
> >>
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> >> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
> >>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> >>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on,
have
> >>>> a
> >>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
> >>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
> >>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
> >>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
> >>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
> >>>>> could
> >>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
> >>>>> There
> >>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
> >>>>> no
> >>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
> >>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
> >>>>> overall performance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> FRH
> >>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The
air
> >>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
> >>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the
box
> >>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above
the
> >>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
> >>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
> >>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
> >>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
> >>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
> >>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet"
extending
> >>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that
off
> >>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual
Feed,
> >>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> FRH
> >>
> >>
> > That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
> > statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
> >
> > --
> > FRH
>
>
news:712af$44dfe018$48311eaf$32548@FUSE.NET...
> You responded to a message about thoughts I had to streamline my air
> intake with a comment about your system.
>
> I then responded that your system is sucking engine compartment air and
> later that 99% of the installations I have seen also sucked heated air
>
> If you are paying for a cold air intake then you shouldn't be sucking air
> from atop the exhaust manifold.
>
> As Bill commented later on standard factory intakes started ducting in
> cold air 30 years ago (and on HP engines 40 years ago.)
>
> The comment by.... (Earle?) about flipped over air cleaner covers was true
> to a point. We did it from the mid 60's to mid 70s and at that time we
> weren't bypassing much other than the heated air intake for winter
> (choked) operation. What this did was to bypass the restriction
> caused by the small factory snorkels on some engines.
>
> Whether it actually did any good was / is debatable
>
After this "modification" we got a lot of cool sucking sounds from under the
hood. ;^)
Earle
>
>
>
>
> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> news:s3RDg.7533$oa1.4319@news02.roc.ny...
> > billy ray wrote:
> >>
http://s112.photobucket.com/albums/n...gAnch=imgAnch1
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "Frank_v7.0" <none@no.net> wrote in message
> >> news:9WPDg.7711$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny...
> >>> L.W.(Bill) ------ III wrote:
> >>>> Look again, virtually all SMOGed cars from the seventies on,
have
> >>>> a
> >>>> cold air induction. My old Bronco:
> >>>> http://www.----------.com/freshair.jpg
> >>>> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> >>>> mailto:-------------------- "Frank_v7.0" wrote:
> >>>>> The intake on the box that was taken off was in virtually the same
> >>>>> location in the engine compartment as the intake I had put on. How
> >>>>> could
> >>>>> the original get air from somewhere that the new intake couldn't?
> >>>>> There
> >>>>> was no "outside" intake on the original. And the original intake had
> >>>>> no
> >>>>> air dam/shield between it and the engine. I'm not making any radical
> >>>>> claims for the setup although I am very happy with my mileage and
> >>>>> overall performance.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> FRH
> >>> I have all the old parts out in my shed. Just ran out to check. The
air
> >>> filter goes in a rectangular plastic box which was connected to the
> >>> intake manifold by a clamped on plastic tube. From the front of the
box
> >>> there is a flared snorkel that extends at an angle to slightly above
the
> >>> height of the air filter box. Looks like a small black trumpet. It
> >>> terminated inside the engine compartment although very high up. It was
> >>> definitely not connected outside the engine compartment. The inside
> >>> diameter of the of the snorkel is less than an inch and a half. My
> >>> knuckle won't fit inside. The snorkel reminds me of the old metal
> >>> encased air cleaners of the '50s and '60s that had a "trumpet"
extending
> >>> out from the round metal cover of the filter element. We'd pull that
off
> >>> and put on a less restrictive air cleaner (and then a Holley Dual
Feed,
> >>> cam, headers, $$$, etc..) ;-)
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> FRH
> >>
> >>
> > That's not a '04 Wrangler X 6 cylinder. Looks like a Grand Cherokee. My
> > statement stands for a 2004 Wrangler X 6 cylinder.
> >
> > --
> > FRH
>
>