Cherokee transfer case forks broken
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Re: Cherokee transfer case forks broken
Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:17:09 UTC john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > 100Kmh is 62Mph, but 80Mph in 4WD???? IMO 100Kmh is too fast for 4WD!
> > You guys are nuts!! If road conditions are such that you feel you need
> > to be in 4WD, why on earth would you be driving that fast? Even if you
> > have red or blue lights flashing and are responding to a distress call,
> > the law doesn't permit you to drive at 80Mph -in most parts of the US-
> > although I hear that out west there are places that post "reasonable
> > and customary" type speed limits with reduced speed in poor conditions.
> >
> > I don't mean to sound harsh, but I hope to hell I'm never on the same
> > stretch of road as you when you're driving that fast in 4WD unless your
> > vehichle is full time 4WD.
> >
> > For the newbie that was driving at 80 - PLEASE remember that 4WD will
> > get you in to trouble TWICE as fast as 2WD in many, many situations,
> > escpecially ice!
> >
> > Take it easy. Slow down before you hurt yourself or God forbid,
> > someone else!
> > <ok, I'm off my soapbox now>
>
> Gotta agree with you there.
>
> You know, in all this yap about 4WD and slick stuff no one has
> mentioned what was the biggest surprise to me when I got my first one
> up in Wisconsin. It started out with positrac on both ends - that
> lasted until the first snow. Then I found the real cutie: not only do
> you have to slow down, you have to be careful HOW you slow down in
> 4WD. With that positraction, I damn near lost it the first time I
> went to slow down for a corner at the bottom of the hill: let off the
> gas and became a 4-point hockey puck instantly. Do that in 2WD and
> the rear end gets really twitchy but let off fast enough that engine
> braking will start a slide produces some spectacular spins in 4WD.
>
> Just another case of knowing the vehicle and driving to suit
> conditions but learning it left a definite impression.
> --
> Will Honea
Well, actually the braking is 'worse' than any 2 wheel drive if you
don't know what to expect!
When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, 'normally' only the front
wheels will lock because vehicles have a combination or proportioning
valve that prevents rear wheel lock up unless you are almost stopped.
This means you basically still track straight when the brakes are on
until you let up to steer.
If the rear wheels lock up, you do 360 spins faster than you can blink
which is the reason for the prop valve.
Now put your Jeep into 4x4 'part time'.
When you hit the brakes, 'all four' wheels lock up!
So unless you are 'really' careful, you will calmly slide off sideways
into the ditch. That is why you see so many 4x4's sitting on the ditch
side looking foolish after a storm, folks get taken by surprise.
Both my owners manuals say to stay off the brakes in snow and to use the
gears to slow down. Surprising enough, the gears will usually hold you
at the 'threshold braking' point.
I usually recommend finding an empty parking lot come first snow and
taking the 4x4 there to find out how it works. I have been stopped by
cops doing this, but as soon as they found out I was 'learning' the
handling and not 'stunting', they were fine with it.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:17:09 UTC john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > 100Kmh is 62Mph, but 80Mph in 4WD???? IMO 100Kmh is too fast for 4WD!
> > You guys are nuts!! If road conditions are such that you feel you need
> > to be in 4WD, why on earth would you be driving that fast? Even if you
> > have red or blue lights flashing and are responding to a distress call,
> > the law doesn't permit you to drive at 80Mph -in most parts of the US-
> > although I hear that out west there are places that post "reasonable
> > and customary" type speed limits with reduced speed in poor conditions.
> >
> > I don't mean to sound harsh, but I hope to hell I'm never on the same
> > stretch of road as you when you're driving that fast in 4WD unless your
> > vehichle is full time 4WD.
> >
> > For the newbie that was driving at 80 - PLEASE remember that 4WD will
> > get you in to trouble TWICE as fast as 2WD in many, many situations,
> > escpecially ice!
> >
> > Take it easy. Slow down before you hurt yourself or God forbid,
> > someone else!
> > <ok, I'm off my soapbox now>
>
> Gotta agree with you there.
>
> You know, in all this yap about 4WD and slick stuff no one has
> mentioned what was the biggest surprise to me when I got my first one
> up in Wisconsin. It started out with positrac on both ends - that
> lasted until the first snow. Then I found the real cutie: not only do
> you have to slow down, you have to be careful HOW you slow down in
> 4WD. With that positraction, I damn near lost it the first time I
> went to slow down for a corner at the bottom of the hill: let off the
> gas and became a 4-point hockey puck instantly. Do that in 2WD and
> the rear end gets really twitchy but let off fast enough that engine
> braking will start a slide produces some spectacular spins in 4WD.
>
> Just another case of knowing the vehicle and driving to suit
> conditions but learning it left a definite impression.
> --
> Will Honea
Well, actually the braking is 'worse' than any 2 wheel drive if you
don't know what to expect!
When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, 'normally' only the front
wheels will lock because vehicles have a combination or proportioning
valve that prevents rear wheel lock up unless you are almost stopped.
This means you basically still track straight when the brakes are on
until you let up to steer.
If the rear wheels lock up, you do 360 spins faster than you can blink
which is the reason for the prop valve.
Now put your Jeep into 4x4 'part time'.
When you hit the brakes, 'all four' wheels lock up!
So unless you are 'really' careful, you will calmly slide off sideways
into the ditch. That is why you see so many 4x4's sitting on the ditch
side looking foolish after a storm, folks get taken by surprise.
Both my owners manuals say to stay off the brakes in snow and to use the
gears to slow down. Surprising enough, the gears will usually hold you
at the 'threshold braking' point.
I usually recommend finding an empty parking lot come first snow and
taking the 4x4 there to find out how it works. I have been stopped by
cops doing this, but as soon as they found out I was 'learning' the
handling and not 'stunting', they were fine with it.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: Cherokee transfer case forks broken
Will Honea wrote:
>
> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:17:09 UTC john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > 100Kmh is 62Mph, but 80Mph in 4WD???? IMO 100Kmh is too fast for 4WD!
> > You guys are nuts!! If road conditions are such that you feel you need
> > to be in 4WD, why on earth would you be driving that fast? Even if you
> > have red or blue lights flashing and are responding to a distress call,
> > the law doesn't permit you to drive at 80Mph -in most parts of the US-
> > although I hear that out west there are places that post "reasonable
> > and customary" type speed limits with reduced speed in poor conditions.
> >
> > I don't mean to sound harsh, but I hope to hell I'm never on the same
> > stretch of road as you when you're driving that fast in 4WD unless your
> > vehichle is full time 4WD.
> >
> > For the newbie that was driving at 80 - PLEASE remember that 4WD will
> > get you in to trouble TWICE as fast as 2WD in many, many situations,
> > escpecially ice!
> >
> > Take it easy. Slow down before you hurt yourself or God forbid,
> > someone else!
> > <ok, I'm off my soapbox now>
>
> Gotta agree with you there.
>
> You know, in all this yap about 4WD and slick stuff no one has
> mentioned what was the biggest surprise to me when I got my first one
> up in Wisconsin. It started out with positrac on both ends - that
> lasted until the first snow. Then I found the real cutie: not only do
> you have to slow down, you have to be careful HOW you slow down in
> 4WD. With that positraction, I damn near lost it the first time I
> went to slow down for a corner at the bottom of the hill: let off the
> gas and became a 4-point hockey puck instantly. Do that in 2WD and
> the rear end gets really twitchy but let off fast enough that engine
> braking will start a slide produces some spectacular spins in 4WD.
>
> Just another case of knowing the vehicle and driving to suit
> conditions but learning it left a definite impression.
> --
> Will Honea
Well, actually the braking is 'worse' than any 2 wheel drive if you
don't know what to expect!
When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, 'normally' only the front
wheels will lock because vehicles have a combination or proportioning
valve that prevents rear wheel lock up unless you are almost stopped.
This means you basically still track straight when the brakes are on
until you let up to steer.
If the rear wheels lock up, you do 360 spins faster than you can blink
which is the reason for the prop valve.
Now put your Jeep into 4x4 'part time'.
When you hit the brakes, 'all four' wheels lock up!
So unless you are 'really' careful, you will calmly slide off sideways
into the ditch. That is why you see so many 4x4's sitting on the ditch
side looking foolish after a storm, folks get taken by surprise.
Both my owners manuals say to stay off the brakes in snow and to use the
gears to slow down. Surprising enough, the gears will usually hold you
at the 'threshold braking' point.
I usually recommend finding an empty parking lot come first snow and
taking the 4x4 there to find out how it works. I have been stopped by
cops doing this, but as soon as they found out I was 'learning' the
handling and not 'stunting', they were fine with it.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:17:09 UTC john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > 100Kmh is 62Mph, but 80Mph in 4WD???? IMO 100Kmh is too fast for 4WD!
> > You guys are nuts!! If road conditions are such that you feel you need
> > to be in 4WD, why on earth would you be driving that fast? Even if you
> > have red or blue lights flashing and are responding to a distress call,
> > the law doesn't permit you to drive at 80Mph -in most parts of the US-
> > although I hear that out west there are places that post "reasonable
> > and customary" type speed limits with reduced speed in poor conditions.
> >
> > I don't mean to sound harsh, but I hope to hell I'm never on the same
> > stretch of road as you when you're driving that fast in 4WD unless your
> > vehichle is full time 4WD.
> >
> > For the newbie that was driving at 80 - PLEASE remember that 4WD will
> > get you in to trouble TWICE as fast as 2WD in many, many situations,
> > escpecially ice!
> >
> > Take it easy. Slow down before you hurt yourself or God forbid,
> > someone else!
> > <ok, I'm off my soapbox now>
>
> Gotta agree with you there.
>
> You know, in all this yap about 4WD and slick stuff no one has
> mentioned what was the biggest surprise to me when I got my first one
> up in Wisconsin. It started out with positrac on both ends - that
> lasted until the first snow. Then I found the real cutie: not only do
> you have to slow down, you have to be careful HOW you slow down in
> 4WD. With that positraction, I damn near lost it the first time I
> went to slow down for a corner at the bottom of the hill: let off the
> gas and became a 4-point hockey puck instantly. Do that in 2WD and
> the rear end gets really twitchy but let off fast enough that engine
> braking will start a slide produces some spectacular spins in 4WD.
>
> Just another case of knowing the vehicle and driving to suit
> conditions but learning it left a definite impression.
> --
> Will Honea
Well, actually the braking is 'worse' than any 2 wheel drive if you
don't know what to expect!
When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, 'normally' only the front
wheels will lock because vehicles have a combination or proportioning
valve that prevents rear wheel lock up unless you are almost stopped.
This means you basically still track straight when the brakes are on
until you let up to steer.
If the rear wheels lock up, you do 360 spins faster than you can blink
which is the reason for the prop valve.
Now put your Jeep into 4x4 'part time'.
When you hit the brakes, 'all four' wheels lock up!
So unless you are 'really' careful, you will calmly slide off sideways
into the ditch. That is why you see so many 4x4's sitting on the ditch
side looking foolish after a storm, folks get taken by surprise.
Both my owners manuals say to stay off the brakes in snow and to use the
gears to slow down. Surprising enough, the gears will usually hold you
at the 'threshold braking' point.
I usually recommend finding an empty parking lot come first snow and
taking the 4x4 there to find out how it works. I have been stopped by
cops doing this, but as soon as they found out I was 'learning' the
handling and not 'stunting', they were fine with it.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: Cherokee transfer case forks broken
True but if you are going too fast to have traction 4wd isn't going to be
any better than 2wd. I'm going Christmas shopping today and we got about 3"
last night, I'll keep track of how many 4wd SUV's are in the ditch and let
you know...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41B9AA09.BC3C8B81@sympatico.ca...
> I have tried both many times because we have patchy snow areas and Steve
> is right, 4x4 is better and noticeable for the difference in steering
> control.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Steve wrote:
> >
> > Gotta disagree. When the snow is down, 4WD is always safer at any speed.
> > Of course, the faster you go and the slicker the snow, the greater the
> > distance you must maintain to the next vehicle ahead, 4x4 or not.
> >
> > Steve
> > http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> >
> > john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > But IMO, if the tractors are travelling at that speed, you are
> > > probably going to be ok in 2wd. Escpecially in the longer wheelbase
> > > Jeep.
any better than 2wd. I'm going Christmas shopping today and we got about 3"
last night, I'll keep track of how many 4wd SUV's are in the ditch and let
you know...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41B9AA09.BC3C8B81@sympatico.ca...
> I have tried both many times because we have patchy snow areas and Steve
> is right, 4x4 is better and noticeable for the difference in steering
> control.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Steve wrote:
> >
> > Gotta disagree. When the snow is down, 4WD is always safer at any speed.
> > Of course, the faster you go and the slicker the snow, the greater the
> > distance you must maintain to the next vehicle ahead, 4x4 or not.
> >
> > Steve
> > http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> >
> > john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > But IMO, if the tractors are travelling at that speed, you are
> > > probably going to be ok in 2wd. Escpecially in the longer wheelbase
> > > Jeep.
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Re: Cherokee transfer case forks broken
True but if you are going too fast to have traction 4wd isn't going to be
any better than 2wd. I'm going Christmas shopping today and we got about 3"
last night, I'll keep track of how many 4wd SUV's are in the ditch and let
you know...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41B9AA09.BC3C8B81@sympatico.ca...
> I have tried both many times because we have patchy snow areas and Steve
> is right, 4x4 is better and noticeable for the difference in steering
> control.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Steve wrote:
> >
> > Gotta disagree. When the snow is down, 4WD is always safer at any speed.
> > Of course, the faster you go and the slicker the snow, the greater the
> > distance you must maintain to the next vehicle ahead, 4x4 or not.
> >
> > Steve
> > http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> >
> > john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > But IMO, if the tractors are travelling at that speed, you are
> > > probably going to be ok in 2wd. Escpecially in the longer wheelbase
> > > Jeep.
any better than 2wd. I'm going Christmas shopping today and we got about 3"
last night, I'll keep track of how many 4wd SUV's are in the ditch and let
you know...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41B9AA09.BC3C8B81@sympatico.ca...
> I have tried both many times because we have patchy snow areas and Steve
> is right, 4x4 is better and noticeable for the difference in steering
> control.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Steve wrote:
> >
> > Gotta disagree. When the snow is down, 4WD is always safer at any speed.
> > Of course, the faster you go and the slicker the snow, the greater the
> > distance you must maintain to the next vehicle ahead, 4x4 or not.
> >
> > Steve
> > http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> >
> > john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > But IMO, if the tractors are travelling at that speed, you are
> > > probably going to be ok in 2wd. Escpecially in the longer wheelbase
> > > Jeep.
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Re: Cherokee transfer case forks broken
True but if you are going too fast to have traction 4wd isn't going to be
any better than 2wd. I'm going Christmas shopping today and we got about 3"
last night, I'll keep track of how many 4wd SUV's are in the ditch and let
you know...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41B9AA09.BC3C8B81@sympatico.ca...
> I have tried both many times because we have patchy snow areas and Steve
> is right, 4x4 is better and noticeable for the difference in steering
> control.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Steve wrote:
> >
> > Gotta disagree. When the snow is down, 4WD is always safer at any speed.
> > Of course, the faster you go and the slicker the snow, the greater the
> > distance you must maintain to the next vehicle ahead, 4x4 or not.
> >
> > Steve
> > http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> >
> > john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > But IMO, if the tractors are travelling at that speed, you are
> > > probably going to be ok in 2wd. Escpecially in the longer wheelbase
> > > Jeep.
any better than 2wd. I'm going Christmas shopping today and we got about 3"
last night, I'll keep track of how many 4wd SUV's are in the ditch and let
you know...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41B9AA09.BC3C8B81@sympatico.ca...
> I have tried both many times because we have patchy snow areas and Steve
> is right, 4x4 is better and noticeable for the difference in steering
> control.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> Steve wrote:
> >
> > Gotta disagree. When the snow is down, 4WD is always safer at any speed.
> > Of course, the faster you go and the slicker the snow, the greater the
> > distance you must maintain to the next vehicle ahead, 4x4 or not.
> >
> > Steve
> > http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> >
> > john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > But IMO, if the tractors are travelling at that speed, you are
> > > probably going to be ok in 2wd. Escpecially in the longer wheelbase
> > > Jeep.
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Re: Cherokee transfer case forks broken
If you read the whole thread I commented about how much 'worse' 4x4 is
when you lose traction.
Here I will cut and paste it in again:
Well, actually the braking is 'worse' than any 2 wheel drive if you
don't know what to expect!
When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, 'normally' only the front
wheels will lock because vehicles have a combination or proportioning
valve that prevents rear wheel lock up unless you are almost stopped.
This means you basically still track straight when the brakes are on
until you let up to steer.
If the rear wheels lock up, you do 360 spins faster than you can blink
which is the reason for the prop valve.
Now put your Jeep into 4x4 'part time'.
When you hit the brakes, 'all four' wheels lock up!
So unless you are 'really' careful, you will calmly slide off sideways
into the ditch. That is why you see so many 4x4's sitting on the ditch
side looking foolish after a storm, folks get taken by surprise and have
'no' training.
Both my owners manuals say to stay off the brakes in snow and to use the
gears to slow down. Surprising enough, the gears will usually hold you
at the 'threshold braking' point. It takes a little while to learn how
to drive in 4x4 so you have control.
I usually recommend finding an empty parking lot come first snow and
taking the 4x4 there to find out how it works. I have been stopped by
cops doing this, but as soon as they found out I was 'learning' the
handling and not 'stunting', they were fine with it.
Mike
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> True but if you are going too fast to have traction 4wd isn't going to be
> any better than 2wd. I'm going Christmas shopping today and we got about 3"
> last night, I'll keep track of how many 4wd SUV's are in the ditch and let
> you know...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41B9AA09.BC3C8B81@sympatico.ca...
> > I have tried both many times because we have patchy snow areas and Steve
> > is right, 4x4 is better and noticeable for the difference in steering
> > control.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Steve wrote:
> > >
> > > Gotta disagree. When the snow is down, 4WD is always safer at any speed.
> > > Of course, the faster you go and the slicker the snow, the greater the
> > > distance you must maintain to the next vehicle ahead, 4x4 or not.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> > >
> > > john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > But IMO, if the tractors are travelling at that speed, you are
> > > > probably going to be ok in 2wd. Escpecially in the longer wheelbase
> > > > Jeep.
when you lose traction.
Here I will cut and paste it in again:
Well, actually the braking is 'worse' than any 2 wheel drive if you
don't know what to expect!
When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, 'normally' only the front
wheels will lock because vehicles have a combination or proportioning
valve that prevents rear wheel lock up unless you are almost stopped.
This means you basically still track straight when the brakes are on
until you let up to steer.
If the rear wheels lock up, you do 360 spins faster than you can blink
which is the reason for the prop valve.
Now put your Jeep into 4x4 'part time'.
When you hit the brakes, 'all four' wheels lock up!
So unless you are 'really' careful, you will calmly slide off sideways
into the ditch. That is why you see so many 4x4's sitting on the ditch
side looking foolish after a storm, folks get taken by surprise and have
'no' training.
Both my owners manuals say to stay off the brakes in snow and to use the
gears to slow down. Surprising enough, the gears will usually hold you
at the 'threshold braking' point. It takes a little while to learn how
to drive in 4x4 so you have control.
I usually recommend finding an empty parking lot come first snow and
taking the 4x4 there to find out how it works. I have been stopped by
cops doing this, but as soon as they found out I was 'learning' the
handling and not 'stunting', they were fine with it.
Mike
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> True but if you are going too fast to have traction 4wd isn't going to be
> any better than 2wd. I'm going Christmas shopping today and we got about 3"
> last night, I'll keep track of how many 4wd SUV's are in the ditch and let
> you know...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41B9AA09.BC3C8B81@sympatico.ca...
> > I have tried both many times because we have patchy snow areas and Steve
> > is right, 4x4 is better and noticeable for the difference in steering
> > control.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Steve wrote:
> > >
> > > Gotta disagree. When the snow is down, 4WD is always safer at any speed.
> > > Of course, the faster you go and the slicker the snow, the greater the
> > > distance you must maintain to the next vehicle ahead, 4x4 or not.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> > >
> > > john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > But IMO, if the tractors are travelling at that speed, you are
> > > > probably going to be ok in 2wd. Escpecially in the longer wheelbase
> > > > Jeep.
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Re: Cherokee transfer case forks broken
If you read the whole thread I commented about how much 'worse' 4x4 is
when you lose traction.
Here I will cut and paste it in again:
Well, actually the braking is 'worse' than any 2 wheel drive if you
don't know what to expect!
When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, 'normally' only the front
wheels will lock because vehicles have a combination or proportioning
valve that prevents rear wheel lock up unless you are almost stopped.
This means you basically still track straight when the brakes are on
until you let up to steer.
If the rear wheels lock up, you do 360 spins faster than you can blink
which is the reason for the prop valve.
Now put your Jeep into 4x4 'part time'.
When you hit the brakes, 'all four' wheels lock up!
So unless you are 'really' careful, you will calmly slide off sideways
into the ditch. That is why you see so many 4x4's sitting on the ditch
side looking foolish after a storm, folks get taken by surprise and have
'no' training.
Both my owners manuals say to stay off the brakes in snow and to use the
gears to slow down. Surprising enough, the gears will usually hold you
at the 'threshold braking' point. It takes a little while to learn how
to drive in 4x4 so you have control.
I usually recommend finding an empty parking lot come first snow and
taking the 4x4 there to find out how it works. I have been stopped by
cops doing this, but as soon as they found out I was 'learning' the
handling and not 'stunting', they were fine with it.
Mike
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> True but if you are going too fast to have traction 4wd isn't going to be
> any better than 2wd. I'm going Christmas shopping today and we got about 3"
> last night, I'll keep track of how many 4wd SUV's are in the ditch and let
> you know...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41B9AA09.BC3C8B81@sympatico.ca...
> > I have tried both many times because we have patchy snow areas and Steve
> > is right, 4x4 is better and noticeable for the difference in steering
> > control.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Steve wrote:
> > >
> > > Gotta disagree. When the snow is down, 4WD is always safer at any speed.
> > > Of course, the faster you go and the slicker the snow, the greater the
> > > distance you must maintain to the next vehicle ahead, 4x4 or not.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> > >
> > > john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > But IMO, if the tractors are travelling at that speed, you are
> > > > probably going to be ok in 2wd. Escpecially in the longer wheelbase
> > > > Jeep.
when you lose traction.
Here I will cut and paste it in again:
Well, actually the braking is 'worse' than any 2 wheel drive if you
don't know what to expect!
When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, 'normally' only the front
wheels will lock because vehicles have a combination or proportioning
valve that prevents rear wheel lock up unless you are almost stopped.
This means you basically still track straight when the brakes are on
until you let up to steer.
If the rear wheels lock up, you do 360 spins faster than you can blink
which is the reason for the prop valve.
Now put your Jeep into 4x4 'part time'.
When you hit the brakes, 'all four' wheels lock up!
So unless you are 'really' careful, you will calmly slide off sideways
into the ditch. That is why you see so many 4x4's sitting on the ditch
side looking foolish after a storm, folks get taken by surprise and have
'no' training.
Both my owners manuals say to stay off the brakes in snow and to use the
gears to slow down. Surprising enough, the gears will usually hold you
at the 'threshold braking' point. It takes a little while to learn how
to drive in 4x4 so you have control.
I usually recommend finding an empty parking lot come first snow and
taking the 4x4 there to find out how it works. I have been stopped by
cops doing this, but as soon as they found out I was 'learning' the
handling and not 'stunting', they were fine with it.
Mike
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> True but if you are going too fast to have traction 4wd isn't going to be
> any better than 2wd. I'm going Christmas shopping today and we got about 3"
> last night, I'll keep track of how many 4wd SUV's are in the ditch and let
> you know...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41B9AA09.BC3C8B81@sympatico.ca...
> > I have tried both many times because we have patchy snow areas and Steve
> > is right, 4x4 is better and noticeable for the difference in steering
> > control.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Steve wrote:
> > >
> > > Gotta disagree. When the snow is down, 4WD is always safer at any speed.
> > > Of course, the faster you go and the slicker the snow, the greater the
> > > distance you must maintain to the next vehicle ahead, 4x4 or not.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> > >
> > > john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > But IMO, if the tractors are travelling at that speed, you are
> > > > probably going to be ok in 2wd. Escpecially in the longer wheelbase
> > > > Jeep.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Cherokee transfer case forks broken
If you read the whole thread I commented about how much 'worse' 4x4 is
when you lose traction.
Here I will cut and paste it in again:
Well, actually the braking is 'worse' than any 2 wheel drive if you
don't know what to expect!
When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, 'normally' only the front
wheels will lock because vehicles have a combination or proportioning
valve that prevents rear wheel lock up unless you are almost stopped.
This means you basically still track straight when the brakes are on
until you let up to steer.
If the rear wheels lock up, you do 360 spins faster than you can blink
which is the reason for the prop valve.
Now put your Jeep into 4x4 'part time'.
When you hit the brakes, 'all four' wheels lock up!
So unless you are 'really' careful, you will calmly slide off sideways
into the ditch. That is why you see so many 4x4's sitting on the ditch
side looking foolish after a storm, folks get taken by surprise and have
'no' training.
Both my owners manuals say to stay off the brakes in snow and to use the
gears to slow down. Surprising enough, the gears will usually hold you
at the 'threshold braking' point. It takes a little while to learn how
to drive in 4x4 so you have control.
I usually recommend finding an empty parking lot come first snow and
taking the 4x4 there to find out how it works. I have been stopped by
cops doing this, but as soon as they found out I was 'learning' the
handling and not 'stunting', they were fine with it.
Mike
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> True but if you are going too fast to have traction 4wd isn't going to be
> any better than 2wd. I'm going Christmas shopping today and we got about 3"
> last night, I'll keep track of how many 4wd SUV's are in the ditch and let
> you know...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41B9AA09.BC3C8B81@sympatico.ca...
> > I have tried both many times because we have patchy snow areas and Steve
> > is right, 4x4 is better and noticeable for the difference in steering
> > control.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Steve wrote:
> > >
> > > Gotta disagree. When the snow is down, 4WD is always safer at any speed.
> > > Of course, the faster you go and the slicker the snow, the greater the
> > > distance you must maintain to the next vehicle ahead, 4x4 or not.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> > >
> > > john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > But IMO, if the tractors are travelling at that speed, you are
> > > > probably going to be ok in 2wd. Escpecially in the longer wheelbase
> > > > Jeep.
when you lose traction.
Here I will cut and paste it in again:
Well, actually the braking is 'worse' than any 2 wheel drive if you
don't know what to expect!
When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, 'normally' only the front
wheels will lock because vehicles have a combination or proportioning
valve that prevents rear wheel lock up unless you are almost stopped.
This means you basically still track straight when the brakes are on
until you let up to steer.
If the rear wheels lock up, you do 360 spins faster than you can blink
which is the reason for the prop valve.
Now put your Jeep into 4x4 'part time'.
When you hit the brakes, 'all four' wheels lock up!
So unless you are 'really' careful, you will calmly slide off sideways
into the ditch. That is why you see so many 4x4's sitting on the ditch
side looking foolish after a storm, folks get taken by surprise and have
'no' training.
Both my owners manuals say to stay off the brakes in snow and to use the
gears to slow down. Surprising enough, the gears will usually hold you
at the 'threshold braking' point. It takes a little while to learn how
to drive in 4x4 so you have control.
I usually recommend finding an empty parking lot come first snow and
taking the 4x4 there to find out how it works. I have been stopped by
cops doing this, but as soon as they found out I was 'learning' the
handling and not 'stunting', they were fine with it.
Mike
Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
> True but if you are going too fast to have traction 4wd isn't going to be
> any better than 2wd. I'm going Christmas shopping today and we got about 3"
> last night, I'll keep track of how many 4wd SUV's are in the ditch and let
> you know...
>
> "Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:41B9AA09.BC3C8B81@sympatico.ca...
> > I have tried both many times because we have patchy snow areas and Steve
> > is right, 4x4 is better and noticeable for the difference in steering
> > control.
> >
> > Mike
> > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
> >
> > Steve wrote:
> > >
> > > Gotta disagree. When the snow is down, 4WD is always safer at any speed.
> > > Of course, the faster you go and the slicker the snow, the greater the
> > > distance you must maintain to the next vehicle ahead, 4x4 or not.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > http://xjeep.dyndns.org
> > >
> > > john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > But IMO, if the tractors are travelling at that speed, you are
> > > > probably going to be ok in 2wd. Escpecially in the longer wheelbase
> > > > Jeep.
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Cherokee transfer case forks broken
Same here..been doing it since I started driving. I have had cops sit and
watch, some gave a few personal opinions, some tried it with their squad
cars and even had one give some professional advice (I knew he was an
armature racer, recognised his name)
Snow...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41B9B9A8.F757D4E5@sympatico.ca...
> Will Honea wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:17:09 UTC john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > 100Kmh is 62Mph, but 80Mph in 4WD???? IMO 100Kmh is too fast for 4WD!
> > > You guys are nuts!! If road conditions are such that you feel you
need
> > > to be in 4WD, why on earth would you be driving that fast? Even if
you
> > > have red or blue lights flashing and are responding to a distress
call,
> > > the law doesn't permit you to drive at 80Mph -in most parts of the US-
> > > although I hear that out west there are places that post "reasonable
> > > and customary" type speed limits with reduced speed in poor
conditions.
> > >
> > > I don't mean to sound harsh, but I hope to hell I'm never on the same
> > > stretch of road as you when you're driving that fast in 4WD unless
your
> > > vehichle is full time 4WD.
> > >
> > > For the newbie that was driving at 80 - PLEASE remember that 4WD will
> > > get you in to trouble TWICE as fast as 2WD in many, many situations,
> > > escpecially ice!
> > >
> > > Take it easy. Slow down before you hurt yourself or God forbid,
> > > someone else!
> > > <ok, I'm off my soapbox now>
> >
> > Gotta agree with you there.
> >
> > You know, in all this yap about 4WD and slick stuff no one has
> > mentioned what was the biggest surprise to me when I got my first one
> > up in Wisconsin. It started out with positrac on both ends - that
> > lasted until the first snow. Then I found the real cutie: not only do
> > you have to slow down, you have to be careful HOW you slow down in
> > 4WD. With that positraction, I damn near lost it the first time I
> > went to slow down for a corner at the bottom of the hill: let off the
> > gas and became a 4-point hockey puck instantly. Do that in 2WD and
> > the rear end gets really twitchy but let off fast enough that engine
> > braking will start a slide produces some spectacular spins in 4WD.
> >
> > Just another case of knowing the vehicle and driving to suit
> > conditions but learning it left a definite impression.
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
> Well, actually the braking is 'worse' than any 2 wheel drive if you
> don't know what to expect!
>
> When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, 'normally' only the front
> wheels will lock because vehicles have a combination or proportioning
> valve that prevents rear wheel lock up unless you are almost stopped.
>
> This means you basically still track straight when the brakes are on
> until you let up to steer.
>
> If the rear wheels lock up, you do 360 spins faster than you can blink
> which is the reason for the prop valve.
>
> Now put your Jeep into 4x4 'part time'.
>
> When you hit the brakes, 'all four' wheels lock up!
>
> So unless you are 'really' careful, you will calmly slide off sideways
> into the ditch. That is why you see so many 4x4's sitting on the ditch
> side looking foolish after a storm, folks get taken by surprise.
>
> Both my owners manuals say to stay off the brakes in snow and to use the
> gears to slow down. Surprising enough, the gears will usually hold you
> at the 'threshold braking' point.
>
> I usually recommend finding an empty parking lot come first snow and
> taking the 4x4 there to find out how it works. I have been stopped by
> cops doing this, but as soon as they found out I was 'learning' the
> handling and not 'stunting', they were fine with it.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
watch, some gave a few personal opinions, some tried it with their squad
cars and even had one give some professional advice (I knew he was an
armature racer, recognised his name)
Snow...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41B9B9A8.F757D4E5@sympatico.ca...
> Will Honea wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:17:09 UTC john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > 100Kmh is 62Mph, but 80Mph in 4WD???? IMO 100Kmh is too fast for 4WD!
> > > You guys are nuts!! If road conditions are such that you feel you
need
> > > to be in 4WD, why on earth would you be driving that fast? Even if
you
> > > have red or blue lights flashing and are responding to a distress
call,
> > > the law doesn't permit you to drive at 80Mph -in most parts of the US-
> > > although I hear that out west there are places that post "reasonable
> > > and customary" type speed limits with reduced speed in poor
conditions.
> > >
> > > I don't mean to sound harsh, but I hope to hell I'm never on the same
> > > stretch of road as you when you're driving that fast in 4WD unless
your
> > > vehichle is full time 4WD.
> > >
> > > For the newbie that was driving at 80 - PLEASE remember that 4WD will
> > > get you in to trouble TWICE as fast as 2WD in many, many situations,
> > > escpecially ice!
> > >
> > > Take it easy. Slow down before you hurt yourself or God forbid,
> > > someone else!
> > > <ok, I'm off my soapbox now>
> >
> > Gotta agree with you there.
> >
> > You know, in all this yap about 4WD and slick stuff no one has
> > mentioned what was the biggest surprise to me when I got my first one
> > up in Wisconsin. It started out with positrac on both ends - that
> > lasted until the first snow. Then I found the real cutie: not only do
> > you have to slow down, you have to be careful HOW you slow down in
> > 4WD. With that positraction, I damn near lost it the first time I
> > went to slow down for a corner at the bottom of the hill: let off the
> > gas and became a 4-point hockey puck instantly. Do that in 2WD and
> > the rear end gets really twitchy but let off fast enough that engine
> > braking will start a slide produces some spectacular spins in 4WD.
> >
> > Just another case of knowing the vehicle and driving to suit
> > conditions but learning it left a definite impression.
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
> Well, actually the braking is 'worse' than any 2 wheel drive if you
> don't know what to expect!
>
> When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, 'normally' only the front
> wheels will lock because vehicles have a combination or proportioning
> valve that prevents rear wheel lock up unless you are almost stopped.
>
> This means you basically still track straight when the brakes are on
> until you let up to steer.
>
> If the rear wheels lock up, you do 360 spins faster than you can blink
> which is the reason for the prop valve.
>
> Now put your Jeep into 4x4 'part time'.
>
> When you hit the brakes, 'all four' wheels lock up!
>
> So unless you are 'really' careful, you will calmly slide off sideways
> into the ditch. That is why you see so many 4x4's sitting on the ditch
> side looking foolish after a storm, folks get taken by surprise.
>
> Both my owners manuals say to stay off the brakes in snow and to use the
> gears to slow down. Surprising enough, the gears will usually hold you
> at the 'threshold braking' point.
>
> I usually recommend finding an empty parking lot come first snow and
> taking the 4x4 there to find out how it works. I have been stopped by
> cops doing this, but as soon as they found out I was 'learning' the
> handling and not 'stunting', they were fine with it.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Cherokee transfer case forks broken
Same here..been doing it since I started driving. I have had cops sit and
watch, some gave a few personal opinions, some tried it with their squad
cars and even had one give some professional advice (I knew he was an
armature racer, recognised his name)
Snow...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41B9B9A8.F757D4E5@sympatico.ca...
> Will Honea wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:17:09 UTC john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > 100Kmh is 62Mph, but 80Mph in 4WD???? IMO 100Kmh is too fast for 4WD!
> > > You guys are nuts!! If road conditions are such that you feel you
need
> > > to be in 4WD, why on earth would you be driving that fast? Even if
you
> > > have red or blue lights flashing and are responding to a distress
call,
> > > the law doesn't permit you to drive at 80Mph -in most parts of the US-
> > > although I hear that out west there are places that post "reasonable
> > > and customary" type speed limits with reduced speed in poor
conditions.
> > >
> > > I don't mean to sound harsh, but I hope to hell I'm never on the same
> > > stretch of road as you when you're driving that fast in 4WD unless
your
> > > vehichle is full time 4WD.
> > >
> > > For the newbie that was driving at 80 - PLEASE remember that 4WD will
> > > get you in to trouble TWICE as fast as 2WD in many, many situations,
> > > escpecially ice!
> > >
> > > Take it easy. Slow down before you hurt yourself or God forbid,
> > > someone else!
> > > <ok, I'm off my soapbox now>
> >
> > Gotta agree with you there.
> >
> > You know, in all this yap about 4WD and slick stuff no one has
> > mentioned what was the biggest surprise to me when I got my first one
> > up in Wisconsin. It started out with positrac on both ends - that
> > lasted until the first snow. Then I found the real cutie: not only do
> > you have to slow down, you have to be careful HOW you slow down in
> > 4WD. With that positraction, I damn near lost it the first time I
> > went to slow down for a corner at the bottom of the hill: let off the
> > gas and became a 4-point hockey puck instantly. Do that in 2WD and
> > the rear end gets really twitchy but let off fast enough that engine
> > braking will start a slide produces some spectacular spins in 4WD.
> >
> > Just another case of knowing the vehicle and driving to suit
> > conditions but learning it left a definite impression.
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
> Well, actually the braking is 'worse' than any 2 wheel drive if you
> don't know what to expect!
>
> When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, 'normally' only the front
> wheels will lock because vehicles have a combination or proportioning
> valve that prevents rear wheel lock up unless you are almost stopped.
>
> This means you basically still track straight when the brakes are on
> until you let up to steer.
>
> If the rear wheels lock up, you do 360 spins faster than you can blink
> which is the reason for the prop valve.
>
> Now put your Jeep into 4x4 'part time'.
>
> When you hit the brakes, 'all four' wheels lock up!
>
> So unless you are 'really' careful, you will calmly slide off sideways
> into the ditch. That is why you see so many 4x4's sitting on the ditch
> side looking foolish after a storm, folks get taken by surprise.
>
> Both my owners manuals say to stay off the brakes in snow and to use the
> gears to slow down. Surprising enough, the gears will usually hold you
> at the 'threshold braking' point.
>
> I usually recommend finding an empty parking lot come first snow and
> taking the 4x4 there to find out how it works. I have been stopped by
> cops doing this, but as soon as they found out I was 'learning' the
> handling and not 'stunting', they were fine with it.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
watch, some gave a few personal opinions, some tried it with their squad
cars and even had one give some professional advice (I knew he was an
armature racer, recognised his name)
Snow...
"Mike Romain" <romainm@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:41B9B9A8.F757D4E5@sympatico.ca...
> Will Honea wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 01:17:09 UTC john_r357@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > 100Kmh is 62Mph, but 80Mph in 4WD???? IMO 100Kmh is too fast for 4WD!
> > > You guys are nuts!! If road conditions are such that you feel you
need
> > > to be in 4WD, why on earth would you be driving that fast? Even if
you
> > > have red or blue lights flashing and are responding to a distress
call,
> > > the law doesn't permit you to drive at 80Mph -in most parts of the US-
> > > although I hear that out west there are places that post "reasonable
> > > and customary" type speed limits with reduced speed in poor
conditions.
> > >
> > > I don't mean to sound harsh, but I hope to hell I'm never on the same
> > > stretch of road as you when you're driving that fast in 4WD unless
your
> > > vehichle is full time 4WD.
> > >
> > > For the newbie that was driving at 80 - PLEASE remember that 4WD will
> > > get you in to trouble TWICE as fast as 2WD in many, many situations,
> > > escpecially ice!
> > >
> > > Take it easy. Slow down before you hurt yourself or God forbid,
> > > someone else!
> > > <ok, I'm off my soapbox now>
> >
> > Gotta agree with you there.
> >
> > You know, in all this yap about 4WD and slick stuff no one has
> > mentioned what was the biggest surprise to me when I got my first one
> > up in Wisconsin. It started out with positrac on both ends - that
> > lasted until the first snow. Then I found the real cutie: not only do
> > you have to slow down, you have to be careful HOW you slow down in
> > 4WD. With that positraction, I damn near lost it the first time I
> > went to slow down for a corner at the bottom of the hill: let off the
> > gas and became a 4-point hockey puck instantly. Do that in 2WD and
> > the rear end gets really twitchy but let off fast enough that engine
> > braking will start a slide produces some spectacular spins in 4WD.
> >
> > Just another case of knowing the vehicle and driving to suit
> > conditions but learning it left a definite impression.
> > --
> > Will Honea
>
> Well, actually the braking is 'worse' than any 2 wheel drive if you
> don't know what to expect!
>
> When you hit the brakes in a 2 wheel drive, 'normally' only the front
> wheels will lock because vehicles have a combination or proportioning
> valve that prevents rear wheel lock up unless you are almost stopped.
>
> This means you basically still track straight when the brakes are on
> until you let up to steer.
>
> If the rear wheels lock up, you do 360 spins faster than you can blink
> which is the reason for the prop valve.
>
> Now put your Jeep into 4x4 'part time'.
>
> When you hit the brakes, 'all four' wheels lock up!
>
> So unless you are 'really' careful, you will calmly slide off sideways
> into the ditch. That is why you see so many 4x4's sitting on the ditch
> side looking foolish after a storm, folks get taken by surprise.
>
> Both my owners manuals say to stay off the brakes in snow and to use the
> gears to slow down. Surprising enough, the gears will usually hold you
> at the 'threshold braking' point.
>
> I usually recommend finding an empty parking lot come first snow and
> taking the 4x4 there to find out how it works. I have been stopped by
> cops doing this, but as soon as they found out I was 'learning' the
> handling and not 'stunting', they were fine with it.
>
> Mike
> 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
> 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's