change oil brands..
09-17-2006, 08:57 PM
#11
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Re: change oil brands..
Cal proclaimed:
> How does the group feel about changing oil brands? I have a 97 GC, 150,000
> miles. I have used havoline 10/30 every 3000 to 4000 miles since i have had
> this jeep. I have a friend that changed from havoline 10/30 to valvoline
> 10/30 full synthetic, and his 4 cylinder sounds like a different engine. I
> runs much quieter, even after 6000 miles on the oil. He has a '97 with
> 120,000 miles on it. "In the day", there was much said about possible
> problems changing brands, different detergents may loosen sludge in the
> engine, and changing brands was not advised. The difference in the sound of
> his engine with the valvoline tells me he is getting better lubrication.
> How does the group feel about changing brands? I have no rea reason to
> change, no problems with mine. But if valvoline lubricates better...
I've regularly mixed them for decades...on engines that typically go
well over 100K before the first maintenance and that was on the brit
engines. The american, german, and japanese engines have gone well over
200k at the least before touching. If you are a bit nervous, try mixing
the two over the next coupla oil changes. If you don't plan to go the
longer oil change intervals of a full synth, consider a synth blend.
> How does the group feel about changing oil brands? I have a 97 GC, 150,000
> miles. I have used havoline 10/30 every 3000 to 4000 miles since i have had
> this jeep. I have a friend that changed from havoline 10/30 to valvoline
> 10/30 full synthetic, and his 4 cylinder sounds like a different engine. I
> runs much quieter, even after 6000 miles on the oil. He has a '97 with
> 120,000 miles on it. "In the day", there was much said about possible
> problems changing brands, different detergents may loosen sludge in the
> engine, and changing brands was not advised. The difference in the sound of
> his engine with the valvoline tells me he is getting better lubrication.
> How does the group feel about changing brands? I have no rea reason to
> change, no problems with mine. But if valvoline lubricates better...
I've regularly mixed them for decades...on engines that typically go
well over 100K before the first maintenance and that was on the brit
engines. The american, german, and japanese engines have gone well over
200k at the least before touching. If you are a bit nervous, try mixing
the two over the next coupla oil changes. If you don't plan to go the
longer oil change intervals of a full synth, consider a synth blend.
09-17-2006, 08:57 PM
#12
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Re: change oil brands..
Cal proclaimed:
> How does the group feel about changing oil brands? I have a 97 GC, 150,000
> miles. I have used havoline 10/30 every 3000 to 4000 miles since i have had
> this jeep. I have a friend that changed from havoline 10/30 to valvoline
> 10/30 full synthetic, and his 4 cylinder sounds like a different engine. I
> runs much quieter, even after 6000 miles on the oil. He has a '97 with
> 120,000 miles on it. "In the day", there was much said about possible
> problems changing brands, different detergents may loosen sludge in the
> engine, and changing brands was not advised. The difference in the sound of
> his engine with the valvoline tells me he is getting better lubrication.
> How does the group feel about changing brands? I have no rea reason to
> change, no problems with mine. But if valvoline lubricates better...
I've regularly mixed them for decades...on engines that typically go
well over 100K before the first maintenance and that was on the brit
engines. The american, german, and japanese engines have gone well over
200k at the least before touching. If you are a bit nervous, try mixing
the two over the next coupla oil changes. If you don't plan to go the
longer oil change intervals of a full synth, consider a synth blend.
> How does the group feel about changing oil brands? I have a 97 GC, 150,000
> miles. I have used havoline 10/30 every 3000 to 4000 miles since i have had
> this jeep. I have a friend that changed from havoline 10/30 to valvoline
> 10/30 full synthetic, and his 4 cylinder sounds like a different engine. I
> runs much quieter, even after 6000 miles on the oil. He has a '97 with
> 120,000 miles on it. "In the day", there was much said about possible
> problems changing brands, different detergents may loosen sludge in the
> engine, and changing brands was not advised. The difference in the sound of
> his engine with the valvoline tells me he is getting better lubrication.
> How does the group feel about changing brands? I have no rea reason to
> change, no problems with mine. But if valvoline lubricates better...
I've regularly mixed them for decades...on engines that typically go
well over 100K before the first maintenance and that was on the brit
engines. The american, german, and japanese engines have gone well over
200k at the least before touching. If you are a bit nervous, try mixing
the two over the next coupla oil changes. If you don't plan to go the
longer oil change intervals of a full synth, consider a synth blend.
09-17-2006, 08:57 PM
#13
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Re: change oil brands..
Cal proclaimed:
> How does the group feel about changing oil brands? I have a 97 GC, 150,000
> miles. I have used havoline 10/30 every 3000 to 4000 miles since i have had
> this jeep. I have a friend that changed from havoline 10/30 to valvoline
> 10/30 full synthetic, and his 4 cylinder sounds like a different engine. I
> runs much quieter, even after 6000 miles on the oil. He has a '97 with
> 120,000 miles on it. "In the day", there was much said about possible
> problems changing brands, different detergents may loosen sludge in the
> engine, and changing brands was not advised. The difference in the sound of
> his engine with the valvoline tells me he is getting better lubrication.
> How does the group feel about changing brands? I have no rea reason to
> change, no problems with mine. But if valvoline lubricates better...
I've regularly mixed them for decades...on engines that typically go
well over 100K before the first maintenance and that was on the brit
engines. The american, german, and japanese engines have gone well over
200k at the least before touching. If you are a bit nervous, try mixing
the two over the next coupla oil changes. If you don't plan to go the
longer oil change intervals of a full synth, consider a synth blend.
> How does the group feel about changing oil brands? I have a 97 GC, 150,000
> miles. I have used havoline 10/30 every 3000 to 4000 miles since i have had
> this jeep. I have a friend that changed from havoline 10/30 to valvoline
> 10/30 full synthetic, and his 4 cylinder sounds like a different engine. I
> runs much quieter, even after 6000 miles on the oil. He has a '97 with
> 120,000 miles on it. "In the day", there was much said about possible
> problems changing brands, different detergents may loosen sludge in the
> engine, and changing brands was not advised. The difference in the sound of
> his engine with the valvoline tells me he is getting better lubrication.
> How does the group feel about changing brands? I have no rea reason to
> change, no problems with mine. But if valvoline lubricates better...
I've regularly mixed them for decades...on engines that typically go
well over 100K before the first maintenance and that was on the brit
engines. The american, german, and japanese engines have gone well over
200k at the least before touching. If you are a bit nervous, try mixing
the two over the next coupla oil changes. If you don't plan to go the
longer oil change intervals of a full synth, consider a synth blend.
09-18-2006, 01:30 AM
#14
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Re: change oil brands..
Cal wrote:
> different detergents may loosen sludge in the
> engine, and changing brands was not advised.
Change to a full synthetic and you'll loosen and get rid of every ounce
of sludge pretty quickly. One thing that full synthetics do very well
is keep things squeaky-clean where it counts. If the only thing holding
that engine together is sludge, you're in big trouble.
From what I've read, regular petroleum lubricants are all pretty much
the same, so buy what's on sale. Synthetics are in a whole different
class, so don't compare apples with oranges.
And please, no 'Oil Wars' here. I like the expensive M1 synthetics and
change it every 8 weeks. I can afford it, and the results are
impressive. Y'all do what you want with your own ride.
> different detergents may loosen sludge in the
> engine, and changing brands was not advised.
Change to a full synthetic and you'll loosen and get rid of every ounce
of sludge pretty quickly. One thing that full synthetics do very well
is keep things squeaky-clean where it counts. If the only thing holding
that engine together is sludge, you're in big trouble.
From what I've read, regular petroleum lubricants are all pretty much
the same, so buy what's on sale. Synthetics are in a whole different
class, so don't compare apples with oranges.
And please, no 'Oil Wars' here. I like the expensive M1 synthetics and
change it every 8 weeks. I can afford it, and the results are
impressive. Y'all do what you want with your own ride.
09-18-2006, 01:30 AM
#15
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Re: change oil brands..
Cal wrote:
> different detergents may loosen sludge in the
> engine, and changing brands was not advised.
Change to a full synthetic and you'll loosen and get rid of every ounce
of sludge pretty quickly. One thing that full synthetics do very well
is keep things squeaky-clean where it counts. If the only thing holding
that engine together is sludge, you're in big trouble.
From what I've read, regular petroleum lubricants are all pretty much
the same, so buy what's on sale. Synthetics are in a whole different
class, so don't compare apples with oranges.
And please, no 'Oil Wars' here. I like the expensive M1 synthetics and
change it every 8 weeks. I can afford it, and the results are
impressive. Y'all do what you want with your own ride.
> different detergents may loosen sludge in the
> engine, and changing brands was not advised.
Change to a full synthetic and you'll loosen and get rid of every ounce
of sludge pretty quickly. One thing that full synthetics do very well
is keep things squeaky-clean where it counts. If the only thing holding
that engine together is sludge, you're in big trouble.
From what I've read, regular petroleum lubricants are all pretty much
the same, so buy what's on sale. Synthetics are in a whole different
class, so don't compare apples with oranges.
And please, no 'Oil Wars' here. I like the expensive M1 synthetics and
change it every 8 weeks. I can afford it, and the results are
impressive. Y'all do what you want with your own ride.
09-18-2006, 01:30 AM
#16
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Re: change oil brands..
Cal wrote:
> different detergents may loosen sludge in the
> engine, and changing brands was not advised.
Change to a full synthetic and you'll loosen and get rid of every ounce
of sludge pretty quickly. One thing that full synthetics do very well
is keep things squeaky-clean where it counts. If the only thing holding
that engine together is sludge, you're in big trouble.
From what I've read, regular petroleum lubricants are all pretty much
the same, so buy what's on sale. Synthetics are in a whole different
class, so don't compare apples with oranges.
And please, no 'Oil Wars' here. I like the expensive M1 synthetics and
change it every 8 weeks. I can afford it, and the results are
impressive. Y'all do what you want with your own ride.
> different detergents may loosen sludge in the
> engine, and changing brands was not advised.
Change to a full synthetic and you'll loosen and get rid of every ounce
of sludge pretty quickly. One thing that full synthetics do very well
is keep things squeaky-clean where it counts. If the only thing holding
that engine together is sludge, you're in big trouble.
From what I've read, regular petroleum lubricants are all pretty much
the same, so buy what's on sale. Synthetics are in a whole different
class, so don't compare apples with oranges.
And please, no 'Oil Wars' here. I like the expensive M1 synthetics and
change it every 8 weeks. I can afford it, and the results are
impressive. Y'all do what you want with your own ride.
09-18-2006, 03:13 AM
#17
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Re: change oil brands..
I seem to recall that there was concern about the possibility of increased
oil usage.... just during that first change period
That was 30+ years ago and I don't recall anyone I knew claiming it
happened.
"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:PeednY13Z5vbspPYnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Cal wrote:
>
>> different detergents may loosen sludge in the engine, and changing brands
>> was not advised.
>
> Change to a full synthetic and you'll loosen and get rid of every ounce of
> sludge pretty quickly. One thing that full synthetics do very well is
> keep things squeaky-clean where it counts. If the only thing holding that
> engine together is sludge, you're in big trouble.
>
> From what I've read, regular petroleum lubricants are all pretty much the
> same, so buy what's on sale. Synthetics are in a whole different class,
> so don't compare apples with oranges.
>
> And please, no 'Oil Wars' here. I like the expensive M1 synthetics and
> change it every 8 weeks. I can afford it, and the results are impressive.
> Y'all do what you want with your own ride.
oil usage.... just during that first change period
That was 30+ years ago and I don't recall anyone I knew claiming it
happened.
"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:PeednY13Z5vbspPYnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Cal wrote:
>
>> different detergents may loosen sludge in the engine, and changing brands
>> was not advised.
>
> Change to a full synthetic and you'll loosen and get rid of every ounce of
> sludge pretty quickly. One thing that full synthetics do very well is
> keep things squeaky-clean where it counts. If the only thing holding that
> engine together is sludge, you're in big trouble.
>
> From what I've read, regular petroleum lubricants are all pretty much the
> same, so buy what's on sale. Synthetics are in a whole different class,
> so don't compare apples with oranges.
>
> And please, no 'Oil Wars' here. I like the expensive M1 synthetics and
> change it every 8 weeks. I can afford it, and the results are impressive.
> Y'all do what you want with your own ride.
09-18-2006, 03:13 AM
#18
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Re: change oil brands..
I seem to recall that there was concern about the possibility of increased
oil usage.... just during that first change period
That was 30+ years ago and I don't recall anyone I knew claiming it
happened.
"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:PeednY13Z5vbspPYnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Cal wrote:
>
>> different detergents may loosen sludge in the engine, and changing brands
>> was not advised.
>
> Change to a full synthetic and you'll loosen and get rid of every ounce of
> sludge pretty quickly. One thing that full synthetics do very well is
> keep things squeaky-clean where it counts. If the only thing holding that
> engine together is sludge, you're in big trouble.
>
> From what I've read, regular petroleum lubricants are all pretty much the
> same, so buy what's on sale. Synthetics are in a whole different class,
> so don't compare apples with oranges.
>
> And please, no 'Oil Wars' here. I like the expensive M1 synthetics and
> change it every 8 weeks. I can afford it, and the results are impressive.
> Y'all do what you want with your own ride.
oil usage.... just during that first change period
That was 30+ years ago and I don't recall anyone I knew claiming it
happened.
"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:PeednY13Z5vbspPYnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Cal wrote:
>
>> different detergents may loosen sludge in the engine, and changing brands
>> was not advised.
>
> Change to a full synthetic and you'll loosen and get rid of every ounce of
> sludge pretty quickly. One thing that full synthetics do very well is
> keep things squeaky-clean where it counts. If the only thing holding that
> engine together is sludge, you're in big trouble.
>
> From what I've read, regular petroleum lubricants are all pretty much the
> same, so buy what's on sale. Synthetics are in a whole different class,
> so don't compare apples with oranges.
>
> And please, no 'Oil Wars' here. I like the expensive M1 synthetics and
> change it every 8 weeks. I can afford it, and the results are impressive.
> Y'all do what you want with your own ride.
09-18-2006, 03:13 AM
#19
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Re: change oil brands..
I seem to recall that there was concern about the possibility of increased
oil usage.... just during that first change period
That was 30+ years ago and I don't recall anyone I knew claiming it
happened.
"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:PeednY13Z5vbspPYnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Cal wrote:
>
>> different detergents may loosen sludge in the engine, and changing brands
>> was not advised.
>
> Change to a full synthetic and you'll loosen and get rid of every ounce of
> sludge pretty quickly. One thing that full synthetics do very well is
> keep things squeaky-clean where it counts. If the only thing holding that
> engine together is sludge, you're in big trouble.
>
> From what I've read, regular petroleum lubricants are all pretty much the
> same, so buy what's on sale. Synthetics are in a whole different class,
> so don't compare apples with oranges.
>
> And please, no 'Oil Wars' here. I like the expensive M1 synthetics and
> change it every 8 weeks. I can afford it, and the results are impressive.
> Y'all do what you want with your own ride.
oil usage.... just during that first change period
That was 30+ years ago and I don't recall anyone I knew claiming it
happened.
"Outatime" <WhoKnows@here.com> wrote in message
news:PeednY13Z5vbspPYnZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@softcom.net. ..
> Cal wrote:
>
>> different detergents may loosen sludge in the engine, and changing brands
>> was not advised.
>
> Change to a full synthetic and you'll loosen and get rid of every ounce of
> sludge pretty quickly. One thing that full synthetics do very well is
> keep things squeaky-clean where it counts. If the only thing holding that
> engine together is sludge, you're in big trouble.
>
> From what I've read, regular petroleum lubricants are all pretty much the
> same, so buy what's on sale. Synthetics are in a whole different class,
> so don't compare apples with oranges.
>
> And please, no 'Oil Wars' here. I like the expensive M1 synthetics and
> change it every 8 weeks. I can afford it, and the results are impressive.
> Y'all do what you want with your own ride.
09-18-2006, 11:00 AM
#20
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Re: change oil brands..
Usually when an old engine starts to run too quiet, it is on it's last
legs and about to blow up. I start shopping about then.....
I 'certainly' wouldn't buy one like that, especially if it's being
abused like you mention by the person thinking he doesn't need to change
his oil now.....
Any fool that boasts about engine abuse thinking it is a good thing,
well....
You have 150K on it. If you do switch, let us know the results please.
Any old engines I have seen that got switched turned into pincushions
and leaked oil everywhere.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Cal wrote:
>
> How does the group feel about changing oil brands? I have a 97 GC, 150,000
> miles. I have used havoline 10/30 every 3000 to 4000 miles since i have had
> this jeep. I have a friend that changed from havoline 10/30 to valvoline
> 10/30 full synthetic, and his 4 cylinder sounds like a different engine. I
> runs much quieter, even after 6000 miles on the oil. He has a '97 with
> 120,000 miles on it. "In the day", there was much said about possible
> problems changing brands, different detergents may loosen sludge in the
> engine, and changing brands was not advised. The difference in the sound of
> his engine with the valvoline tells me he is getting better lubrication.
> How does the group feel about changing brands? I have no rea reason to
> change, no problems with mine. But if valvoline lubricates better...
>
> cal
legs and about to blow up. I start shopping about then.....
I 'certainly' wouldn't buy one like that, especially if it's being
abused like you mention by the person thinking he doesn't need to change
his oil now.....
Any fool that boasts about engine abuse thinking it is a good thing,
well....
You have 150K on it. If you do switch, let us know the results please.
Any old engines I have seen that got switched turned into pincushions
and leaked oil everywhere.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)
Cal wrote:
>
> How does the group feel about changing oil brands? I have a 97 GC, 150,000
> miles. I have used havoline 10/30 every 3000 to 4000 miles since i have had
> this jeep. I have a friend that changed from havoline 10/30 to valvoline
> 10/30 full synthetic, and his 4 cylinder sounds like a different engine. I
> runs much quieter, even after 6000 miles on the oil. He has a '97 with
> 120,000 miles on it. "In the day", there was much said about possible
> problems changing brands, different detergents may loosen sludge in the
> engine, and changing brands was not advised. The difference in the sound of
> his engine with the valvoline tells me he is getting better lubrication.
> How does the group feel about changing brands? I have no rea reason to
> change, no problems with mine. But if valvoline lubricates better...
>
> cal