CB Radio or PRS
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Re: CB Radio or PRS
"TW" <a t t w @ w a v e . c o . n z> wrote in message
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> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> news:PK0ec.6230$Pw1.1167@fed1read05...
> > Definitely go with a CB since that is what is most commonly used on the
> > trail between Jeepers, especially on organized trail runs. Most clubs
> Thanks Jerry. Our club does not list CBs as mandatory equipment, but as
> "good to have". I rarely go alone out that far simply because I don't
have
> a winch to get myself out of trouble. Till that time I will mostly go for
> club runs or with buddies. I am leaning towards a CB, but the FRS/PRS are
> so small in size comparatively that it would be easy to fit just about
> anywhere. Locally, both CBs and PRS are a max 5W power units and can be
> had with external antenna.
Wow... here in the US, the FRS radio service is limited to 1/2 watt output.
If you have 5 watt units in the same range, I'd bet they get some very good
range, with excellent clarity.
--
David Mize dmize@wowway.com
Pickerington, Ohio
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> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> news:PK0ec.6230$Pw1.1167@fed1read05...
> > Definitely go with a CB since that is what is most commonly used on the
> > trail between Jeepers, especially on organized trail runs. Most clubs
> Thanks Jerry. Our club does not list CBs as mandatory equipment, but as
> "good to have". I rarely go alone out that far simply because I don't
have
> a winch to get myself out of trouble. Till that time I will mostly go for
> club runs or with buddies. I am leaning towards a CB, but the FRS/PRS are
> so small in size comparatively that it would be easy to fit just about
> anywhere. Locally, both CBs and PRS are a max 5W power units and can be
> had with external antenna.
Wow... here in the US, the FRS radio service is limited to 1/2 watt output.
If you have 5 watt units in the same range, I'd bet they get some very good
range, with excellent clarity.
--
David Mize dmize@wowway.com
Pickerington, Ohio
#292
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Re: CB Radio or PRS
"TW" <a t t w @ w a v e . c o . n z> wrote in message
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> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> news:PK0ec.6230$Pw1.1167@fed1read05...
> > Definitely go with a CB since that is what is most commonly used on the
> > trail between Jeepers, especially on organized trail runs. Most clubs
> Thanks Jerry. Our club does not list CBs as mandatory equipment, but as
> "good to have". I rarely go alone out that far simply because I don't
have
> a winch to get myself out of trouble. Till that time I will mostly go for
> club runs or with buddies. I am leaning towards a CB, but the FRS/PRS are
> so small in size comparatively that it would be easy to fit just about
> anywhere. Locally, both CBs and PRS are a max 5W power units and can be
> had with external antenna.
Wow... here in the US, the FRS radio service is limited to 1/2 watt output.
If you have 5 watt units in the same range, I'd bet they get some very good
range, with excellent clarity.
--
David Mize dmize@wowway.com
Pickerington, Ohio
news:c5ajm3$p5j$1@news.wave.co.nz...
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> news:PK0ec.6230$Pw1.1167@fed1read05...
> > Definitely go with a CB since that is what is most commonly used on the
> > trail between Jeepers, especially on organized trail runs. Most clubs
> Thanks Jerry. Our club does not list CBs as mandatory equipment, but as
> "good to have". I rarely go alone out that far simply because I don't
have
> a winch to get myself out of trouble. Till that time I will mostly go for
> club runs or with buddies. I am leaning towards a CB, but the FRS/PRS are
> so small in size comparatively that it would be easy to fit just about
> anywhere. Locally, both CBs and PRS are a max 5W power units and can be
> had with external antenna.
Wow... here in the US, the FRS radio service is limited to 1/2 watt output.
If you have 5 watt units in the same range, I'd bet they get some very good
range, with excellent clarity.
--
David Mize dmize@wowway.com
Pickerington, Ohio
#293
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Re: CB Radio or PRS
"TW" <a t t w @ w a v e . c o . n z> wrote in message
news:c5ajm3$p5j$1@news.wave.co.nz...
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> news:PK0ec.6230$Pw1.1167@fed1read05...
> > Definitely go with a CB since that is what is most commonly used on the
> > trail between Jeepers, especially on organized trail runs. Most clubs
> Thanks Jerry. Our club does not list CBs as mandatory equipment, but as
> "good to have". I rarely go alone out that far simply because I don't
have
> a winch to get myself out of trouble. Till that time I will mostly go for
> club runs or with buddies. I am leaning towards a CB, but the FRS/PRS are
> so small in size comparatively that it would be easy to fit just about
> anywhere. Locally, both CBs and PRS are a max 5W power units and can be
> had with external antenna.
Wow... here in the US, the FRS radio service is limited to 1/2 watt output.
If you have 5 watt units in the same range, I'd bet they get some very good
range, with excellent clarity.
--
David Mize dmize@wowway.com
Pickerington, Ohio
news:c5ajm3$p5j$1@news.wave.co.nz...
> "Jerry Bransford" <jerrypb@mecox.net> wrote in message
> news:PK0ec.6230$Pw1.1167@fed1read05...
> > Definitely go with a CB since that is what is most commonly used on the
> > trail between Jeepers, especially on organized trail runs. Most clubs
> Thanks Jerry. Our club does not list CBs as mandatory equipment, but as
> "good to have". I rarely go alone out that far simply because I don't
have
> a winch to get myself out of trouble. Till that time I will mostly go for
> club runs or with buddies. I am leaning towards a CB, but the FRS/PRS are
> so small in size comparatively that it would be easy to fit just about
> anywhere. Locally, both CBs and PRS are a max 5W power units and can be
> had with external antenna.
Wow... here in the US, the FRS radio service is limited to 1/2 watt output.
If you have 5 watt units in the same range, I'd bet they get some very good
range, with excellent clarity.
--
David Mize dmize@wowway.com
Pickerington, Ohio
#294
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Re: CB Radio or PRS - Update
Hi guys,
There's another reason that the bumper's not an ideal place for an
antenna. The antenna's running up, in close proximity to a parallel sheet
of metal. That affects the radiation characteristics of the antenna very
badly and it's mounted about as low as you could possibly get it. Although
better, mounting a vertical antenna on a vertical sheet of metal isn't the
ideal either.
The ideal mounting for a vertical antenna's always two-fold. First, the
higher the better. Second, on the largest horizontal ground plane. This
means that you'd like to put it squarely in the center of a metal roof.
There's many issues to consider with a Jeep like beating up the antenna on
low-hanging limbs and the lack of a sheet metal roof. If you have a roof
rack, you could mount it there and it'd probably be best so long as you have
a good electrical ground back to the body. You could also mount it in the
center of a piece of sheet metal up there which would be even better. If
you just have a fiberglass top, you could bond a piece of sheet metal on top
of or underneath the roof and put the antenna up there. Otherwise, the
easiest and most efficient, albeit ugliest, position is in the center of the
hood; with a magnetic mount perhaps.
The other thing I heard mentioned was that the transmission line (coax)
needed to be "X" long and coiled up. I've always wondered why CB'ers insist
on the fixed length coax, coiled up. It's an impedance thing that deals
with wavelengths and I won't go into the technical details or basic rules of
thumb. Take a look at the following site for a little more info.
http://www.1stopelectronics.com/cb-antenna-101.htm
http://www.firestik.com/Tech_Docs/BigBear.htm
--
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0404150833.2436b450@posting.google.c om...
> TW,
>
> First, let me say that is exactly what I've done. My SWR isn't ideal,
> but it's "good enough", and not so high that I'm worried I'll damage
> my CB transmitter.
>
> However, according to most sources I researched when getting my CB,
> the bumper is among the worst places to mount an antenna for optimal
> performance. The only reason so many mount theirs there is that it is
> an easy place to mount it, and looks aesthetically pleasing.
>
> The reason it is said to be a bad place is that bumper does not
> provide a proper "Ground Plane". I don't know much about how such
> things work, but apparently mounting the antenna to the body (such as
> on the rear corner panel), or in the front where you were initially
> thinking of mounting it, will provide a much better, larger ground
> plane for the antenna, and supposedly greatly increase its effective
> power and range, and reduce its SWR.
>
> That's about the extent of what I know, based on the various
> information I read about. So, my advice:
>
> Mount it in the front if you like it there. That works great for my
> friend's rubicon. Mount it on the spare tire carrier if you want.
> Works great for me so far. But if you want the supposed "ideal" mount,
> mount it to the body in the rear corner panel area, for optimal ground
> plane. The biggest thing (IMO) is to get an antenna that IS easily
> adjustable, so you can fix the SWR regardless of where you mount it.
>
> Good luck,
> Bob
>
>
> > Thanks for the advice. I had been away for a couple of days, but it
seems
> > like I have a lot of responses to read now. Great stuff. I have
steering
> > on the right side (I am in New Zealand).
> >
> > How would mounting it on the spare tyre carrier work? That would give a
> > good height and keep it away from almost all electronics (the nearest
being
> > the fuel pump in the gas tank).
> >
> > TW
There's another reason that the bumper's not an ideal place for an
antenna. The antenna's running up, in close proximity to a parallel sheet
of metal. That affects the radiation characteristics of the antenna very
badly and it's mounted about as low as you could possibly get it. Although
better, mounting a vertical antenna on a vertical sheet of metal isn't the
ideal either.
The ideal mounting for a vertical antenna's always two-fold. First, the
higher the better. Second, on the largest horizontal ground plane. This
means that you'd like to put it squarely in the center of a metal roof.
There's many issues to consider with a Jeep like beating up the antenna on
low-hanging limbs and the lack of a sheet metal roof. If you have a roof
rack, you could mount it there and it'd probably be best so long as you have
a good electrical ground back to the body. You could also mount it in the
center of a piece of sheet metal up there which would be even better. If
you just have a fiberglass top, you could bond a piece of sheet metal on top
of or underneath the roof and put the antenna up there. Otherwise, the
easiest and most efficient, albeit ugliest, position is in the center of the
hood; with a magnetic mount perhaps.
The other thing I heard mentioned was that the transmission line (coax)
needed to be "X" long and coiled up. I've always wondered why CB'ers insist
on the fixed length coax, coiled up. It's an impedance thing that deals
with wavelengths and I won't go into the technical details or basic rules of
thumb. Take a look at the following site for a little more info.
http://www.1stopelectronics.com/cb-antenna-101.htm
http://www.firestik.com/Tech_Docs/BigBear.htm
--
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0404150833.2436b450@posting.google.c om...
> TW,
>
> First, let me say that is exactly what I've done. My SWR isn't ideal,
> but it's "good enough", and not so high that I'm worried I'll damage
> my CB transmitter.
>
> However, according to most sources I researched when getting my CB,
> the bumper is among the worst places to mount an antenna for optimal
> performance. The only reason so many mount theirs there is that it is
> an easy place to mount it, and looks aesthetically pleasing.
>
> The reason it is said to be a bad place is that bumper does not
> provide a proper "Ground Plane". I don't know much about how such
> things work, but apparently mounting the antenna to the body (such as
> on the rear corner panel), or in the front where you were initially
> thinking of mounting it, will provide a much better, larger ground
> plane for the antenna, and supposedly greatly increase its effective
> power and range, and reduce its SWR.
>
> That's about the extent of what I know, based on the various
> information I read about. So, my advice:
>
> Mount it in the front if you like it there. That works great for my
> friend's rubicon. Mount it on the spare tire carrier if you want.
> Works great for me so far. But if you want the supposed "ideal" mount,
> mount it to the body in the rear corner panel area, for optimal ground
> plane. The biggest thing (IMO) is to get an antenna that IS easily
> adjustable, so you can fix the SWR regardless of where you mount it.
>
> Good luck,
> Bob
>
>
> > Thanks for the advice. I had been away for a couple of days, but it
seems
> > like I have a lot of responses to read now. Great stuff. I have
steering
> > on the right side (I am in New Zealand).
> >
> > How would mounting it on the spare tyre carrier work? That would give a
> > good height and keep it away from almost all electronics (the nearest
being
> > the fuel pump in the gas tank).
> >
> > TW
#295
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Posts: n/a
Re: CB Radio or PRS - Update
Hi guys,
There's another reason that the bumper's not an ideal place for an
antenna. The antenna's running up, in close proximity to a parallel sheet
of metal. That affects the radiation characteristics of the antenna very
badly and it's mounted about as low as you could possibly get it. Although
better, mounting a vertical antenna on a vertical sheet of metal isn't the
ideal either.
The ideal mounting for a vertical antenna's always two-fold. First, the
higher the better. Second, on the largest horizontal ground plane. This
means that you'd like to put it squarely in the center of a metal roof.
There's many issues to consider with a Jeep like beating up the antenna on
low-hanging limbs and the lack of a sheet metal roof. If you have a roof
rack, you could mount it there and it'd probably be best so long as you have
a good electrical ground back to the body. You could also mount it in the
center of a piece of sheet metal up there which would be even better. If
you just have a fiberglass top, you could bond a piece of sheet metal on top
of or underneath the roof and put the antenna up there. Otherwise, the
easiest and most efficient, albeit ugliest, position is in the center of the
hood; with a magnetic mount perhaps.
The other thing I heard mentioned was that the transmission line (coax)
needed to be "X" long and coiled up. I've always wondered why CB'ers insist
on the fixed length coax, coiled up. It's an impedance thing that deals
with wavelengths and I won't go into the technical details or basic rules of
thumb. Take a look at the following site for a little more info.
http://www.1stopelectronics.com/cb-antenna-101.htm
http://www.firestik.com/Tech_Docs/BigBear.htm
--
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0404150833.2436b450@posting.google.c om...
> TW,
>
> First, let me say that is exactly what I've done. My SWR isn't ideal,
> but it's "good enough", and not so high that I'm worried I'll damage
> my CB transmitter.
>
> However, according to most sources I researched when getting my CB,
> the bumper is among the worst places to mount an antenna for optimal
> performance. The only reason so many mount theirs there is that it is
> an easy place to mount it, and looks aesthetically pleasing.
>
> The reason it is said to be a bad place is that bumper does not
> provide a proper "Ground Plane". I don't know much about how such
> things work, but apparently mounting the antenna to the body (such as
> on the rear corner panel), or in the front where you were initially
> thinking of mounting it, will provide a much better, larger ground
> plane for the antenna, and supposedly greatly increase its effective
> power and range, and reduce its SWR.
>
> That's about the extent of what I know, based on the various
> information I read about. So, my advice:
>
> Mount it in the front if you like it there. That works great for my
> friend's rubicon. Mount it on the spare tire carrier if you want.
> Works great for me so far. But if you want the supposed "ideal" mount,
> mount it to the body in the rear corner panel area, for optimal ground
> plane. The biggest thing (IMO) is to get an antenna that IS easily
> adjustable, so you can fix the SWR regardless of where you mount it.
>
> Good luck,
> Bob
>
>
> > Thanks for the advice. I had been away for a couple of days, but it
seems
> > like I have a lot of responses to read now. Great stuff. I have
steering
> > on the right side (I am in New Zealand).
> >
> > How would mounting it on the spare tyre carrier work? That would give a
> > good height and keep it away from almost all electronics (the nearest
being
> > the fuel pump in the gas tank).
> >
> > TW
There's another reason that the bumper's not an ideal place for an
antenna. The antenna's running up, in close proximity to a parallel sheet
of metal. That affects the radiation characteristics of the antenna very
badly and it's mounted about as low as you could possibly get it. Although
better, mounting a vertical antenna on a vertical sheet of metal isn't the
ideal either.
The ideal mounting for a vertical antenna's always two-fold. First, the
higher the better. Second, on the largest horizontal ground plane. This
means that you'd like to put it squarely in the center of a metal roof.
There's many issues to consider with a Jeep like beating up the antenna on
low-hanging limbs and the lack of a sheet metal roof. If you have a roof
rack, you could mount it there and it'd probably be best so long as you have
a good electrical ground back to the body. You could also mount it in the
center of a piece of sheet metal up there which would be even better. If
you just have a fiberglass top, you could bond a piece of sheet metal on top
of or underneath the roof and put the antenna up there. Otherwise, the
easiest and most efficient, albeit ugliest, position is in the center of the
hood; with a magnetic mount perhaps.
The other thing I heard mentioned was that the transmission line (coax)
needed to be "X" long and coiled up. I've always wondered why CB'ers insist
on the fixed length coax, coiled up. It's an impedance thing that deals
with wavelengths and I won't go into the technical details or basic rules of
thumb. Take a look at the following site for a little more info.
http://www.1stopelectronics.com/cb-antenna-101.htm
http://www.firestik.com/Tech_Docs/BigBear.htm
--
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0404150833.2436b450@posting.google.c om...
> TW,
>
> First, let me say that is exactly what I've done. My SWR isn't ideal,
> but it's "good enough", and not so high that I'm worried I'll damage
> my CB transmitter.
>
> However, according to most sources I researched when getting my CB,
> the bumper is among the worst places to mount an antenna for optimal
> performance. The only reason so many mount theirs there is that it is
> an easy place to mount it, and looks aesthetically pleasing.
>
> The reason it is said to be a bad place is that bumper does not
> provide a proper "Ground Plane". I don't know much about how such
> things work, but apparently mounting the antenna to the body (such as
> on the rear corner panel), or in the front where you were initially
> thinking of mounting it, will provide a much better, larger ground
> plane for the antenna, and supposedly greatly increase its effective
> power and range, and reduce its SWR.
>
> That's about the extent of what I know, based on the various
> information I read about. So, my advice:
>
> Mount it in the front if you like it there. That works great for my
> friend's rubicon. Mount it on the spare tire carrier if you want.
> Works great for me so far. But if you want the supposed "ideal" mount,
> mount it to the body in the rear corner panel area, for optimal ground
> plane. The biggest thing (IMO) is to get an antenna that IS easily
> adjustable, so you can fix the SWR regardless of where you mount it.
>
> Good luck,
> Bob
>
>
> > Thanks for the advice. I had been away for a couple of days, but it
seems
> > like I have a lot of responses to read now. Great stuff. I have
steering
> > on the right side (I am in New Zealand).
> >
> > How would mounting it on the spare tyre carrier work? That would give a
> > good height and keep it away from almost all electronics (the nearest
being
> > the fuel pump in the gas tank).
> >
> > TW
#296
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CB Radio or PRS - Update
Hi guys,
There's another reason that the bumper's not an ideal place for an
antenna. The antenna's running up, in close proximity to a parallel sheet
of metal. That affects the radiation characteristics of the antenna very
badly and it's mounted about as low as you could possibly get it. Although
better, mounting a vertical antenna on a vertical sheet of metal isn't the
ideal either.
The ideal mounting for a vertical antenna's always two-fold. First, the
higher the better. Second, on the largest horizontal ground plane. This
means that you'd like to put it squarely in the center of a metal roof.
There's many issues to consider with a Jeep like beating up the antenna on
low-hanging limbs and the lack of a sheet metal roof. If you have a roof
rack, you could mount it there and it'd probably be best so long as you have
a good electrical ground back to the body. You could also mount it in the
center of a piece of sheet metal up there which would be even better. If
you just have a fiberglass top, you could bond a piece of sheet metal on top
of or underneath the roof and put the antenna up there. Otherwise, the
easiest and most efficient, albeit ugliest, position is in the center of the
hood; with a magnetic mount perhaps.
The other thing I heard mentioned was that the transmission line (coax)
needed to be "X" long and coiled up. I've always wondered why CB'ers insist
on the fixed length coax, coiled up. It's an impedance thing that deals
with wavelengths and I won't go into the technical details or basic rules of
thumb. Take a look at the following site for a little more info.
http://www.1stopelectronics.com/cb-antenna-101.htm
http://www.firestik.com/Tech_Docs/BigBear.htm
--
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0404150833.2436b450@posting.google.c om...
> TW,
>
> First, let me say that is exactly what I've done. My SWR isn't ideal,
> but it's "good enough", and not so high that I'm worried I'll damage
> my CB transmitter.
>
> However, according to most sources I researched when getting my CB,
> the bumper is among the worst places to mount an antenna for optimal
> performance. The only reason so many mount theirs there is that it is
> an easy place to mount it, and looks aesthetically pleasing.
>
> The reason it is said to be a bad place is that bumper does not
> provide a proper "Ground Plane". I don't know much about how such
> things work, but apparently mounting the antenna to the body (such as
> on the rear corner panel), or in the front where you were initially
> thinking of mounting it, will provide a much better, larger ground
> plane for the antenna, and supposedly greatly increase its effective
> power and range, and reduce its SWR.
>
> That's about the extent of what I know, based on the various
> information I read about. So, my advice:
>
> Mount it in the front if you like it there. That works great for my
> friend's rubicon. Mount it on the spare tire carrier if you want.
> Works great for me so far. But if you want the supposed "ideal" mount,
> mount it to the body in the rear corner panel area, for optimal ground
> plane. The biggest thing (IMO) is to get an antenna that IS easily
> adjustable, so you can fix the SWR regardless of where you mount it.
>
> Good luck,
> Bob
>
>
> > Thanks for the advice. I had been away for a couple of days, but it
seems
> > like I have a lot of responses to read now. Great stuff. I have
steering
> > on the right side (I am in New Zealand).
> >
> > How would mounting it on the spare tyre carrier work? That would give a
> > good height and keep it away from almost all electronics (the nearest
being
> > the fuel pump in the gas tank).
> >
> > TW
There's another reason that the bumper's not an ideal place for an
antenna. The antenna's running up, in close proximity to a parallel sheet
of metal. That affects the radiation characteristics of the antenna very
badly and it's mounted about as low as you could possibly get it. Although
better, mounting a vertical antenna on a vertical sheet of metal isn't the
ideal either.
The ideal mounting for a vertical antenna's always two-fold. First, the
higher the better. Second, on the largest horizontal ground plane. This
means that you'd like to put it squarely in the center of a metal roof.
There's many issues to consider with a Jeep like beating up the antenna on
low-hanging limbs and the lack of a sheet metal roof. If you have a roof
rack, you could mount it there and it'd probably be best so long as you have
a good electrical ground back to the body. You could also mount it in the
center of a piece of sheet metal up there which would be even better. If
you just have a fiberglass top, you could bond a piece of sheet metal on top
of or underneath the roof and put the antenna up there. Otherwise, the
easiest and most efficient, albeit ugliest, position is in the center of the
hood; with a magnetic mount perhaps.
The other thing I heard mentioned was that the transmission line (coax)
needed to be "X" long and coiled up. I've always wondered why CB'ers insist
on the fixed length coax, coiled up. It's an impedance thing that deals
with wavelengths and I won't go into the technical details or basic rules of
thumb. Take a look at the following site for a little more info.
http://www.1stopelectronics.com/cb-antenna-101.htm
http://www.firestik.com/Tech_Docs/BigBear.htm
--
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0404150833.2436b450@posting.google.c om...
> TW,
>
> First, let me say that is exactly what I've done. My SWR isn't ideal,
> but it's "good enough", and not so high that I'm worried I'll damage
> my CB transmitter.
>
> However, according to most sources I researched when getting my CB,
> the bumper is among the worst places to mount an antenna for optimal
> performance. The only reason so many mount theirs there is that it is
> an easy place to mount it, and looks aesthetically pleasing.
>
> The reason it is said to be a bad place is that bumper does not
> provide a proper "Ground Plane". I don't know much about how such
> things work, but apparently mounting the antenna to the body (such as
> on the rear corner panel), or in the front where you were initially
> thinking of mounting it, will provide a much better, larger ground
> plane for the antenna, and supposedly greatly increase its effective
> power and range, and reduce its SWR.
>
> That's about the extent of what I know, based on the various
> information I read about. So, my advice:
>
> Mount it in the front if you like it there. That works great for my
> friend's rubicon. Mount it on the spare tire carrier if you want.
> Works great for me so far. But if you want the supposed "ideal" mount,
> mount it to the body in the rear corner panel area, for optimal ground
> plane. The biggest thing (IMO) is to get an antenna that IS easily
> adjustable, so you can fix the SWR regardless of where you mount it.
>
> Good luck,
> Bob
>
>
> > Thanks for the advice. I had been away for a couple of days, but it
seems
> > like I have a lot of responses to read now. Great stuff. I have
steering
> > on the right side (I am in New Zealand).
> >
> > How would mounting it on the spare tyre carrier work? That would give a
> > good height and keep it away from almost all electronics (the nearest
being
> > the fuel pump in the gas tank).
> >
> > TW
#297
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CB Radio or PRS - Update
Hi guys,
There's another reason that the bumper's not an ideal place for an
antenna. The antenna's running up, in close proximity to a parallel sheet
of metal. That affects the radiation characteristics of the antenna very
badly and it's mounted about as low as you could possibly get it. Although
better, mounting a vertical antenna on a vertical sheet of metal isn't the
ideal either.
The ideal mounting for a vertical antenna's always two-fold. First, the
higher the better. Second, on the largest horizontal ground plane. This
means that you'd like to put it squarely in the center of a metal roof.
There's many issues to consider with a Jeep like beating up the antenna on
low-hanging limbs and the lack of a sheet metal roof. If you have a roof
rack, you could mount it there and it'd probably be best so long as you have
a good electrical ground back to the body. You could also mount it in the
center of a piece of sheet metal up there which would be even better. If
you just have a fiberglass top, you could bond a piece of sheet metal on top
of or underneath the roof and put the antenna up there. Otherwise, the
easiest and most efficient, albeit ugliest, position is in the center of the
hood; with a magnetic mount perhaps.
The other thing I heard mentioned was that the transmission line (coax)
needed to be "X" long and coiled up. I've always wondered why CB'ers insist
on the fixed length coax, coiled up. It's an impedance thing that deals
with wavelengths and I won't go into the technical details or basic rules of
thumb. Take a look at the following site for a little more info.
http://www.1stopelectronics.com/cb-antenna-101.htm
http://www.firestik.com/Tech_Docs/BigBear.htm
--
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0404150833.2436b450@posting.google.c om...
> TW,
>
> First, let me say that is exactly what I've done. My SWR isn't ideal,
> but it's "good enough", and not so high that I'm worried I'll damage
> my CB transmitter.
>
> However, according to most sources I researched when getting my CB,
> the bumper is among the worst places to mount an antenna for optimal
> performance. The only reason so many mount theirs there is that it is
> an easy place to mount it, and looks aesthetically pleasing.
>
> The reason it is said to be a bad place is that bumper does not
> provide a proper "Ground Plane". I don't know much about how such
> things work, but apparently mounting the antenna to the body (such as
> on the rear corner panel), or in the front where you were initially
> thinking of mounting it, will provide a much better, larger ground
> plane for the antenna, and supposedly greatly increase its effective
> power and range, and reduce its SWR.
>
> That's about the extent of what I know, based on the various
> information I read about. So, my advice:
>
> Mount it in the front if you like it there. That works great for my
> friend's rubicon. Mount it on the spare tire carrier if you want.
> Works great for me so far. But if you want the supposed "ideal" mount,
> mount it to the body in the rear corner panel area, for optimal ground
> plane. The biggest thing (IMO) is to get an antenna that IS easily
> adjustable, so you can fix the SWR regardless of where you mount it.
>
> Good luck,
> Bob
>
>
> > Thanks for the advice. I had been away for a couple of days, but it
seems
> > like I have a lot of responses to read now. Great stuff. I have
steering
> > on the right side (I am in New Zealand).
> >
> > How would mounting it on the spare tyre carrier work? That would give a
> > good height and keep it away from almost all electronics (the nearest
being
> > the fuel pump in the gas tank).
> >
> > TW
There's another reason that the bumper's not an ideal place for an
antenna. The antenna's running up, in close proximity to a parallel sheet
of metal. That affects the radiation characteristics of the antenna very
badly and it's mounted about as low as you could possibly get it. Although
better, mounting a vertical antenna on a vertical sheet of metal isn't the
ideal either.
The ideal mounting for a vertical antenna's always two-fold. First, the
higher the better. Second, on the largest horizontal ground plane. This
means that you'd like to put it squarely in the center of a metal roof.
There's many issues to consider with a Jeep like beating up the antenna on
low-hanging limbs and the lack of a sheet metal roof. If you have a roof
rack, you could mount it there and it'd probably be best so long as you have
a good electrical ground back to the body. You could also mount it in the
center of a piece of sheet metal up there which would be even better. If
you just have a fiberglass top, you could bond a piece of sheet metal on top
of or underneath the roof and put the antenna up there. Otherwise, the
easiest and most efficient, albeit ugliest, position is in the center of the
hood; with a magnetic mount perhaps.
The other thing I heard mentioned was that the transmission line (coax)
needed to be "X" long and coiled up. I've always wondered why CB'ers insist
on the fixed length coax, coiled up. It's an impedance thing that deals
with wavelengths and I won't go into the technical details or basic rules of
thumb. Take a look at the following site for a little more info.
http://www.1stopelectronics.com/cb-antenna-101.htm
http://www.firestik.com/Tech_Docs/BigBear.htm
--
o_o_o_o
Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
"Bob" <magicclaw@mac.com> wrote in message
news:47b769ae.0404150833.2436b450@posting.google.c om...
> TW,
>
> First, let me say that is exactly what I've done. My SWR isn't ideal,
> but it's "good enough", and not so high that I'm worried I'll damage
> my CB transmitter.
>
> However, according to most sources I researched when getting my CB,
> the bumper is among the worst places to mount an antenna for optimal
> performance. The only reason so many mount theirs there is that it is
> an easy place to mount it, and looks aesthetically pleasing.
>
> The reason it is said to be a bad place is that bumper does not
> provide a proper "Ground Plane". I don't know much about how such
> things work, but apparently mounting the antenna to the body (such as
> on the rear corner panel), or in the front where you were initially
> thinking of mounting it, will provide a much better, larger ground
> plane for the antenna, and supposedly greatly increase its effective
> power and range, and reduce its SWR.
>
> That's about the extent of what I know, based on the various
> information I read about. So, my advice:
>
> Mount it in the front if you like it there. That works great for my
> friend's rubicon. Mount it on the spare tire carrier if you want.
> Works great for me so far. But if you want the supposed "ideal" mount,
> mount it to the body in the rear corner panel area, for optimal ground
> plane. The biggest thing (IMO) is to get an antenna that IS easily
> adjustable, so you can fix the SWR regardless of where you mount it.
>
> Good luck,
> Bob
>
>
> > Thanks for the advice. I had been away for a couple of days, but it
seems
> > like I have a lot of responses to read now. Great stuff. I have
steering
> > on the right side (I am in New Zealand).
> >
> > How would mounting it on the spare tyre carrier work? That would give a
> > good height and keep it away from almost all electronics (the nearest
being
> > the fuel pump in the gas tank).
> >
> > TW
#298
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CB Radio or PRS - Update
Thanks for the reply. I had a lot of noise issues. After reinstalling the
damn thing about 10 times over a period of 5 days, I have now found that
the best power source (with least rf interference) is the head beam power
lead before it goes into the head lamp switch. I have put the negative on
the firewall inside the dash. Additionally, grounded the chassis of the
radio to the firewall as well (separately). Now the noise level is
minimal. Although, there is still some alternator whining. I have got the
filters, which I will be putting on this weekend. It seems to be working a
lot better now. It was a big trial and error. On the plus side, I can now
take the dashboard apart in less than five minutes!
As for antenna location, anywhere front of the driver seat caused a lot of
problems. I had now placed it just above the rear left brake light. My
logic was this way it was farthest from the AM/FM radio antenna. It seems
to be working. I am going to put a grounding strap on the antenna mount,
just waiting for it to arrive in the mail.
TW
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ntl$am5$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Hi guys,
> There's another reason that the bumper's not an ideal place for an
> antenna. The antenna's running up, in close proximity to a parallel
sheet
> of metal. That affects the radiation characteristics of the antenna very
> badly and it's mounted about as low as you could possibly get it.
Although
> better, mounting a vertical antenna on a vertical sheet of metal isn't
the
> ideal either.
> The ideal mounting for a vertical antenna's always two-fold. First,
the
> higher the better. Second, on the largest horizontal ground plane. This
> means that you'd like to put it squarely in the center of a metal roof.
> There's many issues to consider with a Jeep like beating up the antenna
on
> low-hanging limbs and the lack of a sheet metal roof. If you have a roof
> rack, you could mount it there and it'd probably be best so long as you
have
> a good electrical ground back to the body. You could also mount it in
the
> center of a piece of sheet metal up there which would be even better. If
> you just have a fiberglass top, you could bond a piece of sheet metal on
top
> of or underneath the roof and put the antenna up there. Otherwise, the
> easiest and most efficient, albeit ugliest, position is in the center of
the
> hood; with a magnetic mount perhaps.
> The other thing I heard mentioned was that the transmission line (coax)
> needed to be "X" long and coiled up. I've always wondered why CB'ers
insist
> on the fixed length coax, coiled up. It's an impedance thing that deals
> with wavelengths and I won't go into the technical details or basic rules
of
> thumb. Take a look at the following site for a little more info.
> http://www.1stopelectronics.com/cb-antenna-101.htm
> http://www.firestik.com/Tech_Docs/BigBear.htm
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
damn thing about 10 times over a period of 5 days, I have now found that
the best power source (with least rf interference) is the head beam power
lead before it goes into the head lamp switch. I have put the negative on
the firewall inside the dash. Additionally, grounded the chassis of the
radio to the firewall as well (separately). Now the noise level is
minimal. Although, there is still some alternator whining. I have got the
filters, which I will be putting on this weekend. It seems to be working a
lot better now. It was a big trial and error. On the plus side, I can now
take the dashboard apart in less than five minutes!
As for antenna location, anywhere front of the driver seat caused a lot of
problems. I had now placed it just above the rear left brake light. My
logic was this way it was farthest from the AM/FM radio antenna. It seems
to be working. I am going to put a grounding strap on the antenna mount,
just waiting for it to arrive in the mail.
TW
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ntl$am5$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Hi guys,
> There's another reason that the bumper's not an ideal place for an
> antenna. The antenna's running up, in close proximity to a parallel
sheet
> of metal. That affects the radiation characteristics of the antenna very
> badly and it's mounted about as low as you could possibly get it.
Although
> better, mounting a vertical antenna on a vertical sheet of metal isn't
the
> ideal either.
> The ideal mounting for a vertical antenna's always two-fold. First,
the
> higher the better. Second, on the largest horizontal ground plane. This
> means that you'd like to put it squarely in the center of a metal roof.
> There's many issues to consider with a Jeep like beating up the antenna
on
> low-hanging limbs and the lack of a sheet metal roof. If you have a roof
> rack, you could mount it there and it'd probably be best so long as you
have
> a good electrical ground back to the body. You could also mount it in
the
> center of a piece of sheet metal up there which would be even better. If
> you just have a fiberglass top, you could bond a piece of sheet metal on
top
> of or underneath the roof and put the antenna up there. Otherwise, the
> easiest and most efficient, albeit ugliest, position is in the center of
the
> hood; with a magnetic mount perhaps.
> The other thing I heard mentioned was that the transmission line (coax)
> needed to be "X" long and coiled up. I've always wondered why CB'ers
insist
> on the fixed length coax, coiled up. It's an impedance thing that deals
> with wavelengths and I won't go into the technical details or basic rules
of
> thumb. Take a look at the following site for a little more info.
> http://www.1stopelectronics.com/cb-antenna-101.htm
> http://www.firestik.com/Tech_Docs/BigBear.htm
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
#299
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CB Radio or PRS - Update
Thanks for the reply. I had a lot of noise issues. After reinstalling the
damn thing about 10 times over a period of 5 days, I have now found that
the best power source (with least rf interference) is the head beam power
lead before it goes into the head lamp switch. I have put the negative on
the firewall inside the dash. Additionally, grounded the chassis of the
radio to the firewall as well (separately). Now the noise level is
minimal. Although, there is still some alternator whining. I have got the
filters, which I will be putting on this weekend. It seems to be working a
lot better now. It was a big trial and error. On the plus side, I can now
take the dashboard apart in less than five minutes!
As for antenna location, anywhere front of the driver seat caused a lot of
problems. I had now placed it just above the rear left brake light. My
logic was this way it was farthest from the AM/FM radio antenna. It seems
to be working. I am going to put a grounding strap on the antenna mount,
just waiting for it to arrive in the mail.
TW
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ntl$am5$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Hi guys,
> There's another reason that the bumper's not an ideal place for an
> antenna. The antenna's running up, in close proximity to a parallel
sheet
> of metal. That affects the radiation characteristics of the antenna very
> badly and it's mounted about as low as you could possibly get it.
Although
> better, mounting a vertical antenna on a vertical sheet of metal isn't
the
> ideal either.
> The ideal mounting for a vertical antenna's always two-fold. First,
the
> higher the better. Second, on the largest horizontal ground plane. This
> means that you'd like to put it squarely in the center of a metal roof.
> There's many issues to consider with a Jeep like beating up the antenna
on
> low-hanging limbs and the lack of a sheet metal roof. If you have a roof
> rack, you could mount it there and it'd probably be best so long as you
have
> a good electrical ground back to the body. You could also mount it in
the
> center of a piece of sheet metal up there which would be even better. If
> you just have a fiberglass top, you could bond a piece of sheet metal on
top
> of or underneath the roof and put the antenna up there. Otherwise, the
> easiest and most efficient, albeit ugliest, position is in the center of
the
> hood; with a magnetic mount perhaps.
> The other thing I heard mentioned was that the transmission line (coax)
> needed to be "X" long and coiled up. I've always wondered why CB'ers
insist
> on the fixed length coax, coiled up. It's an impedance thing that deals
> with wavelengths and I won't go into the technical details or basic rules
of
> thumb. Take a look at the following site for a little more info.
> http://www.1stopelectronics.com/cb-antenna-101.htm
> http://www.firestik.com/Tech_Docs/BigBear.htm
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
damn thing about 10 times over a period of 5 days, I have now found that
the best power source (with least rf interference) is the head beam power
lead before it goes into the head lamp switch. I have put the negative on
the firewall inside the dash. Additionally, grounded the chassis of the
radio to the firewall as well (separately). Now the noise level is
minimal. Although, there is still some alternator whining. I have got the
filters, which I will be putting on this weekend. It seems to be working a
lot better now. It was a big trial and error. On the plus side, I can now
take the dashboard apart in less than five minutes!
As for antenna location, anywhere front of the driver seat caused a lot of
problems. I had now placed it just above the rear left brake light. My
logic was this way it was farthest from the AM/FM radio antenna. It seems
to be working. I am going to put a grounding strap on the antenna mount,
just waiting for it to arrive in the mail.
TW
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ntl$am5$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Hi guys,
> There's another reason that the bumper's not an ideal place for an
> antenna. The antenna's running up, in close proximity to a parallel
sheet
> of metal. That affects the radiation characteristics of the antenna very
> badly and it's mounted about as low as you could possibly get it.
Although
> better, mounting a vertical antenna on a vertical sheet of metal isn't
the
> ideal either.
> The ideal mounting for a vertical antenna's always two-fold. First,
the
> higher the better. Second, on the largest horizontal ground plane. This
> means that you'd like to put it squarely in the center of a metal roof.
> There's many issues to consider with a Jeep like beating up the antenna
on
> low-hanging limbs and the lack of a sheet metal roof. If you have a roof
> rack, you could mount it there and it'd probably be best so long as you
have
> a good electrical ground back to the body. You could also mount it in
the
> center of a piece of sheet metal up there which would be even better. If
> you just have a fiberglass top, you could bond a piece of sheet metal on
top
> of or underneath the roof and put the antenna up there. Otherwise, the
> easiest and most efficient, albeit ugliest, position is in the center of
the
> hood; with a magnetic mount perhaps.
> The other thing I heard mentioned was that the transmission line (coax)
> needed to be "X" long and coiled up. I've always wondered why CB'ers
insist
> on the fixed length coax, coiled up. It's an impedance thing that deals
> with wavelengths and I won't go into the technical details or basic rules
of
> thumb. Take a look at the following site for a little more info.
> http://www.1stopelectronics.com/cb-antenna-101.htm
> http://www.firestik.com/Tech_Docs/BigBear.htm
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
#300
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: CB Radio or PRS - Update
Thanks for the reply. I had a lot of noise issues. After reinstalling the
damn thing about 10 times over a period of 5 days, I have now found that
the best power source (with least rf interference) is the head beam power
lead before it goes into the head lamp switch. I have put the negative on
the firewall inside the dash. Additionally, grounded the chassis of the
radio to the firewall as well (separately). Now the noise level is
minimal. Although, there is still some alternator whining. I have got the
filters, which I will be putting on this weekend. It seems to be working a
lot better now. It was a big trial and error. On the plus side, I can now
take the dashboard apart in less than five minutes!
As for antenna location, anywhere front of the driver seat caused a lot of
problems. I had now placed it just above the rear left brake light. My
logic was this way it was farthest from the AM/FM radio antenna. It seems
to be working. I am going to put a grounding strap on the antenna mount,
just waiting for it to arrive in the mail.
TW
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ntl$am5$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Hi guys,
> There's another reason that the bumper's not an ideal place for an
> antenna. The antenna's running up, in close proximity to a parallel
sheet
> of metal. That affects the radiation characteristics of the antenna very
> badly and it's mounted about as low as you could possibly get it.
Although
> better, mounting a vertical antenna on a vertical sheet of metal isn't
the
> ideal either.
> The ideal mounting for a vertical antenna's always two-fold. First,
the
> higher the better. Second, on the largest horizontal ground plane. This
> means that you'd like to put it squarely in the center of a metal roof.
> There's many issues to consider with a Jeep like beating up the antenna
on
> low-hanging limbs and the lack of a sheet metal roof. If you have a roof
> rack, you could mount it there and it'd probably be best so long as you
have
> a good electrical ground back to the body. You could also mount it in
the
> center of a piece of sheet metal up there which would be even better. If
> you just have a fiberglass top, you could bond a piece of sheet metal on
top
> of or underneath the roof and put the antenna up there. Otherwise, the
> easiest and most efficient, albeit ugliest, position is in the center of
the
> hood; with a magnetic mount perhaps.
> The other thing I heard mentioned was that the transmission line (coax)
> needed to be "X" long and coiled up. I've always wondered why CB'ers
insist
> on the fixed length coax, coiled up. It's an impedance thing that deals
> with wavelengths and I won't go into the technical details or basic rules
of
> thumb. Take a look at the following site for a little more info.
> http://www.1stopelectronics.com/cb-antenna-101.htm
> http://www.firestik.com/Tech_Docs/BigBear.htm
>
> --
>
> o_o_o_o
> Best Regards, /| ,[_____],
> Jim, WP3JQ |ŻŻŻL --O|||||||O-
> ()_)Ż()_) ŻŻŻŻŻ )_)
> EM60qk 30.447439N 086.628959W
damn thing about 10 times over a period of 5 days, I have now found that
the best power source (with least rf interference) is the head beam power
lead before it goes into the head lamp switch. I have put the negative on
the firewall inside the dash. Additionally, grounded the chassis of the
radio to the firewall as well (separately). Now the noise level is
minimal. Although, there is still some alternator whining. I have got the
filters, which I will be putting on this weekend. It seems to be working a
lot better now. It was a big trial and error. On the plus side, I can now
take the dashboard apart in less than five minutes!
As for antenna location, anywhere front of the driver seat caused a lot of
problems. I had now placed it just above the rear left brake light. My
logic was this way it was farthest from the AM/FM radio antenna. It seems
to be working. I am going to put a grounding strap on the antenna mount,
just waiting for it to arrive in the mail.
TW
"Drink" <drink@gnt.net> wrote in message
news:c63ntl$am5$1@news.utelfla.com...
> Hi guys,
> There's another reason that the bumper's not an ideal place for an
> antenna. The antenna's running up, in close proximity to a parallel
sheet
> of metal. That affects the radiation characteristics of the antenna very
> badly and it's mounted about as low as you could possibly get it.
Although
> better, mounting a vertical antenna on a vertical sheet of metal isn't
the
> ideal either.
> The ideal mounting for a vertical antenna's always two-fold. First,
the
> higher the better. Second, on the largest horizontal ground plane. This
> means that you'd like to put it squarely in the center of a metal roof.
> There's many issues to consider with a Jeep like beating up the antenna
on
> low-hanging limbs and the lack of a sheet metal roof. If you have a roof
> rack, you could mount it there and it'd probably be best so long as you
have
> a good electrical ground back to the body. You could also mount it in
the
> center of a piece of sheet metal up there which would be even better. If
> you just have a fiberglass top, you could bond a piece of sheet metal on
top
> of or underneath the roof and put the antenna up there. Otherwise, the
> easiest and most efficient, albeit ugliest, position is in the center of
the
> hood; with a magnetic mount perhaps.
> The other thing I heard mentioned was that the transmission line (coax)
> needed to be "X" long and coiled up. I've always wondered why CB'ers
insist
> on the fixed length coax, coiled up. It's an impedance thing that deals
> with wavelengths and I won't go into the technical details or basic rules
of
> thumb. Take a look at the following site for a little more info.
> http://www.1stopelectronics.com/cb-antenna-101.htm
> http://www.firestik.com/Tech_Docs/BigBear.htm
>
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