D

Thanks Earle.
Very good thoughts about the Selec-Trac. I only wish I could get him down a
couple hundred more $'s and I think it would be a deal.
D
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44c03bce$0$23737$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Selec-Trac is a 100% mechanical or geared system. That is to say, it
> doesn't have any friction materials, viscous couplers, or electronic
gizmos
> to fail. Just gears, and three differentials that divide the torque
between
> the front and rear wheels. You can also put the lever in 2H and it is a
> true two wheel drive system. That would be good for your gas mileage
> concerns, but the Quadra-Drive system was supposedly designed for improved
> bad weather on-road manners. I don't know how much better it could be
than
> Selec-Trac. If you really wanted to, I think you could put locking front
> hubs on a Selec-Trac vehicle too. You have to decide for yourself which
> concern is more important for you, and add in Billy Ray's potentially
> expensive repair argument.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Earle
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
> have
> > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to
fail?
> > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
> nv249
> > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
> you
> > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
> during
> > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
> > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
> > smooth.
> > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
> > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
> part-time
> > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with
the
> > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
> > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy
fix.
> I
> > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
> > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
> > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
> > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
> > information.
> > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
> > > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands
are
> > the
> > > most common cause of expensive repairs.
> > >
> > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> > > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
> the
> > > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
> to
> > > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
> $12
> > > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
> > >
> > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
> > vehicle
> > > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> > > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
> accelerating
> > > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
> When
> > it
> > > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
> real
> > > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer
case.
> > >
> > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
> > ATC.
> > > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
> > speeds.
> > > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> > > driveway in a few minutes
> > >
> > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts
department
> in
> > > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
> you
> > > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer
can
> > also
> > > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
> > your
> > > factory radio.
> > >
> > > Other differences.
> > >
> > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
> highway
> > > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their
specific
> > > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> > > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
> > vehicles
> > > > I'm comparing for purchase.
> > > >
> > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
> > clean
> > > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
> system.
> > > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
> front,
> > > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> > > > airbags,
> > > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
> > down
> > > > some from that.
> > > >
> > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
> very
> > > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other
options
> > > > make
> > > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow
hooks
> > > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver
and
> > > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
> price,
> > > > $15,200
> > > >
> > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> > > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
> Limited
> > > > trim
> > > > on a Laredo.
> > > > Any candid thoughts?
> > > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> > > > behind
> > > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

D

Thanks Earle.
Very good thoughts about the Selec-Trac. I only wish I could get him down a
couple hundred more $'s and I think it would be a deal.
D
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44c03bce$0$23737$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Selec-Trac is a 100% mechanical or geared system. That is to say, it
> doesn't have any friction materials, viscous couplers, or electronic
gizmos
> to fail. Just gears, and three differentials that divide the torque
between
> the front and rear wheels. You can also put the lever in 2H and it is a
> true two wheel drive system. That would be good for your gas mileage
> concerns, but the Quadra-Drive system was supposedly designed for improved
> bad weather on-road manners. I don't know how much better it could be
than
> Selec-Trac. If you really wanted to, I think you could put locking front
> hubs on a Selec-Trac vehicle too. You have to decide for yourself which
> concern is more important for you, and add in Billy Ray's potentially
> expensive repair argument.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Earle
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
> have
> > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to
fail?
> > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
> nv249
> > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
> you
> > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
> during
> > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
> > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
> > smooth.
> > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
> > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
> part-time
> > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with
the
> > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
> > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy
fix.
> I
> > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
> > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
> > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
> > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
> > information.
> > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
> > > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands
are
> > the
> > > most common cause of expensive repairs.
> > >
> > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> > > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
> the
> > > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
> to
> > > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
> $12
> > > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
> > >
> > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
> > vehicle
> > > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> > > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
> accelerating
> > > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
> When
> > it
> > > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
> real
> > > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer
case.
> > >
> > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
> > ATC.
> > > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
> > speeds.
> > > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> > > driveway in a few minutes
> > >
> > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts
department
> in
> > > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
> you
> > > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer
can
> > also
> > > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
> > your
> > > factory radio.
> > >
> > > Other differences.
> > >
> > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
> highway
> > > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their
specific
> > > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> > > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
> > vehicles
> > > > I'm comparing for purchase.
> > > >
> > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
> > clean
> > > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
> system.
> > > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
> front,
> > > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> > > > airbags,
> > > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
> > down
> > > > some from that.
> > > >
> > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
> very
> > > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other
options
> > > > make
> > > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow
hooks
> > > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver
and
> > > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
> price,
> > > > $15,200
> > > >
> > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> > > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
> Limited
> > > > trim
> > > > on a Laredo.
> > > > Any candid thoughts?
> > > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> > > > behind
> > > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

D

Thanks Earle.
Very good thoughts about the Selec-Trac. I only wish I could get him down a
couple hundred more $'s and I think it would be a deal.
D
"Earle Horton" <earle-NOSPAM-horton@msn.com> wrote in message
news:44c03bce$0$23737$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.c om...
> Selec-Trac is a 100% mechanical or geared system. That is to say, it
> doesn't have any friction materials, viscous couplers, or electronic
gizmos
> to fail. Just gears, and three differentials that divide the torque
between
> the front and rear wheels. You can also put the lever in 2H and it is a
> true two wheel drive system. That would be good for your gas mileage
> concerns, but the Quadra-Drive system was supposedly designed for improved
> bad weather on-road manners. I don't know how much better it could be
than
> Selec-Trac. If you really wanted to, I think you could put locking front
> hubs on a Selec-Trac vehicle too. You have to decide for yourself which
> concern is more important for you, and add in Billy Ray's potentially
> expensive repair argument.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Earle
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
> have
> > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to
fail?
> > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
> nv249
> > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
> you
> > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
> during
> > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
> > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
> > smooth.
> > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
> > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
> part-time
> > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with
the
> > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
> > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy
fix.
> I
> > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
> > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
> > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
> > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
> > information.
> > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
> > > The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands
are
> > the
> > > most common cause of expensive repairs.
> > >
> > > The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> > > tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
> the
> > > vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
> to
> > > get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
> $12
> > > in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
> > >
> > > The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
> > vehicle
> > > that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> > > attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
> accelerating
> > > and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
> When
> > it
> > > fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
> real
> > > 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer
case.
> > >
> > > The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
> > ATC.
> > > There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
> > speeds.
> > > It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> > > driveway in a few minutes
> > >
> > > If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts
department
> in
> > > chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
> you
> > > can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer
can
> > also
> > > be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
> > your
> > > factory radio.
> > >
> > > Other differences.
> > >
> > > Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
> highway
> > > and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their
specific
> > > size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> > > news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
> > vehicles
> > > > I'm comparing for purchase.
> > > >
> > > > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
> > clean
> > > > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
> system.
> > > > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
> front,
> > > > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> > > > airbags,
> > > > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
> > down
> > > > some from that.
> > > >
> > > > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
> very
> > > > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other
options
> > > > make
> > > > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow
hooks
> > > > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver
and
> > > > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
> price,
> > > > $15,200
> > > >
> > > > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> > > > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
> Limited
> > > > trim
> > > > on a Laredo.
> > > > Any candid thoughts?
> > > > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> > > > behind
> > > > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> > > > Thanks.
> > > > D
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

billy ray

There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm

In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a yearly
basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids.

I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at night
(when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed
going from full lock to lock

I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is
compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will
actually fit without interference or lifting.

I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but I've
never heard that it was very much.


"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
> have
> been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail?
> I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
> nv249
> xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
> you
> mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
> during
> a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
> during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
> smooth.
> Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
> opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
> part-time
> use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the
> Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
> I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix.
> I
> am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
> I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
> just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
> The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
> information.
> Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
>> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are
> the
>> most common cause of expensive repairs.
>>
>> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
>> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
>> the
>> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to
>> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
>> $12
>> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>>
>> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
> vehicle
>> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
>> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating
>> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When
> it
>> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
>> real
>> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case.
>>
>> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
> ATC.
>> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
> speeds.
>> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
>> driveway in a few minutes
>>
>> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department
>> in
>> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
>> you
>> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can
> also
>> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
> your
>> factory radio.
>>
>> Other differences.
>>
>> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
>> highway
>> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific
>> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>>
>>
>>
>> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> > Hi All,
>> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
> vehicles
>> > I'm comparing for purchase.
>> >
>> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
> clean
>> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system.
>> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
>> > front,
>> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
>> > airbags,
>> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
> down
>> > some from that.
>> >
>> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very
>> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options
>> > make
>> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
>> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and
>> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price,
>> > $15,200
>> >
>> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
>> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited
>> > trim
>> > on a Laredo.
>> > Any candid thoughts?
>> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
>> > behind
>> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
>> > Thanks.
>> > D
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm

In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a yearly
basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids.

I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at night
(when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed
going from full lock to lock

I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is
compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will
actually fit without interference or lifting.

I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but I've
never heard that it was very much.


"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
> have
> been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail?
> I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
> nv249
> xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
> you
> mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
> during
> a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
> during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
> smooth.
> Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
> opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
> part-time
> use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the
> Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
> I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix.
> I
> am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
> I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
> just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
> The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
> information.
> Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
>> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are
> the
>> most common cause of expensive repairs.
>>
>> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
>> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
>> the
>> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to
>> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
>> $12
>> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>>
>> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
> vehicle
>> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
>> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating
>> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When
> it
>> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
>> real
>> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case.
>>
>> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
> ATC.
>> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
> speeds.
>> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
>> driveway in a few minutes
>>
>> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department
>> in
>> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
>> you
>> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can
> also
>> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
> your
>> factory radio.
>>
>> Other differences.
>>
>> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
>> highway
>> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific
>> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>>
>>
>>
>> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> > Hi All,
>> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
> vehicles
>> > I'm comparing for purchase.
>> >
>> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
> clean
>> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system.
>> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
>> > front,
>> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
>> > airbags,
>> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
> down
>> > some from that.
>> >
>> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very
>> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options
>> > make
>> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
>> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and
>> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price,
>> > $15,200
>> >
>> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
>> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited
>> > trim
>> > on a Laredo.
>> > Any candid thoughts?
>> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
>> > behind
>> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
>> > Thanks.
>> > D
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm

In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a yearly
basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids.

I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at night
(when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed
going from full lock to lock

I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is
compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will
actually fit without interference or lifting.

I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but I've
never heard that it was very much.


"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
> have
> been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail?
> I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
> nv249
> xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
> you
> mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
> during
> a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
> during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
> smooth.
> Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
> opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
> part-time
> use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the
> Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
> I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix.
> I
> am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
> I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
> just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
> The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
> information.
> Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
>> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are
> the
>> most common cause of expensive repairs.
>>
>> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
>> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
>> the
>> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to
>> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
>> $12
>> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>>
>> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
> vehicle
>> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
>> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating
>> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When
> it
>> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
>> real
>> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case.
>>
>> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
> ATC.
>> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
> speeds.
>> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
>> driveway in a few minutes
>>
>> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department
>> in
>> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
>> you
>> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can
> also
>> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
> your
>> factory radio.
>>
>> Other differences.
>>
>> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
>> highway
>> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific
>> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>>
>>
>>
>> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> > Hi All,
>> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
> vehicles
>> > I'm comparing for purchase.
>> >
>> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
> clean
>> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system.
>> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
>> > front,
>> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
>> > airbags,
>> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
> down
>> > some from that.
>> >
>> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very
>> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options
>> > make
>> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
>> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and
>> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price,
>> > $15,200
>> >
>> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
>> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited
>> > trim
>> > on a Laredo.
>> > Any candid thoughts?
>> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
>> > behind
>> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
>> > Thanks.
>> > D
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

billy ray

There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm

In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a yearly
basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids.

I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at night
(when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed
going from full lock to lock

I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is
compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will
actually fit without interference or lifting.

I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but I've
never heard that it was very much.


"D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
> have
> been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to fail?
> I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
> nv249
> xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
> you
> mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
> during
> a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
> during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
> smooth.
> Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
> opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
> part-time
> use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with the
> Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
> I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy fix.
> I
> am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
> I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
> just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
> The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
> information.
> Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
>
> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
>> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands are
> the
>> most common cause of expensive repairs.
>>
>> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
>> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
>> the
>> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor to
>> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
>> $12
>> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
>>
>> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
> vehicle
>> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
>> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when accelerating
>> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching. When
> it
>> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
>> real
>> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer case.
>>
>> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
> ATC.
>> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
> speeds.
>> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
>> driveway in a few minutes
>>
>> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department
>> in
>> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
>> you
>> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can
> also
>> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
> your
>> factory radio.
>>
>> Other differences.
>>
>> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
>> highway
>> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their specific
>> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
>>
>>
>>
>> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
>> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> > Hi All,
>> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
> vehicles
>> > I'm comparing for purchase.
>> >
>> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
> clean
>> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive system.
>> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
>> > front,
>> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
>> > airbags,
>> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
> down
>> > some from that.
>> >
>> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also very
>> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other options
>> > make
>> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
>> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver and
>> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest price,
>> > $15,200
>> >
>> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
>> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the Limited
>> > trim
>> > on a Laredo.
>> > Any candid thoughts?
>> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
>> > behind
>> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
>> > Thanks.
>> > D
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

D

Billy Ray,
What a great site ! ! ! THanks so much! That will really help.
So, taking the dash out is a job huh? That's an understatement. Heh.
Thanks for the explanation of 'severe service'.
I do appreciate all the help. It clears a lot up for me.
D

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:94006$44c04b27$48311eaf$7039@FUSE.NET...
> There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
> http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm
>
> In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a
yearly
> basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids.
>
> I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at night
> (when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed
> going from full lock to lock
>
> I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is
> compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will
> actually fit without interference or lifting.
>
> I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but
I've
> never heard that it was very much.
>
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
> > have
> > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to
fail?
> > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
> > nv249
> > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
> > you
> > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
> > during
> > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
> > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
> > smooth.
> > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
> > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
> > part-time
> > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with
the
> > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
> > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy
fix.
> > I
> > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
> > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
> > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
> > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
> > information.
> > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
> >> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands
are
> > the
> >> most common cause of expensive repairs.
> >>
> >> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> >> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
> >> the
> >> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
to
> >> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
> >> $12
> >> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
> >>
> >> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
> > vehicle
> >> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> >> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
accelerating
> >> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
When
> > it
> >> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
> >> real
> >> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer
case.
> >>
> >> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
> > ATC.
> >> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
> > speeds.
> >> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> >> driveway in a few minutes
> >>
> >> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department
> >> in
> >> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
> >> you
> >> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can
> > also
> >> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
> > your
> >> factory radio.
> >>
> >> Other differences.
> >>
> >> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
> >> highway
> >> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their
specific
> >> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> >> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> > Hi All,
> >> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
> > vehicles
> >> > I'm comparing for purchase.
> >> >
> >> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
> > clean
> >> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
system.
> >> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
> >> > front,
> >> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> >> > airbags,
> >> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
> > down
> >> > some from that.
> >> >
> >> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
very
> >> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other
options
> >> > make
> >> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
> >> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver
and
> >> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
price,
> >> > $15,200
> >> >
> >> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> >> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
Limited
> >> > trim
> >> > on a Laredo.
> >> > Any candid thoughts?
> >> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> >> > behind
> >> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> >> > Thanks.
> >> > D
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

D

Billy Ray,
What a great site ! ! ! THanks so much! That will really help.
So, taking the dash out is a job huh? That's an understatement. Heh.
Thanks for the explanation of 'severe service'.
I do appreciate all the help. It clears a lot up for me.
D

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:94006$44c04b27$48311eaf$7039@FUSE.NET...
> There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
> http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm
>
> In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a
yearly
> basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids.
>
> I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at night
> (when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed
> going from full lock to lock
>
> I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is
> compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will
> actually fit without interference or lifting.
>
> I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but
I've
> never heard that it was very much.
>
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
> > have
> > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to
fail?
> > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
> > nv249
> > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
> > you
> > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
> > during
> > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
> > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
> > smooth.
> > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
> > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
> > part-time
> > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with
the
> > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
> > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy
fix.
> > I
> > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
> > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
> > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
> > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
> > information.
> > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
> >> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands
are
> > the
> >> most common cause of expensive repairs.
> >>
> >> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> >> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
> >> the
> >> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
to
> >> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
> >> $12
> >> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
> >>
> >> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
> > vehicle
> >> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> >> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
accelerating
> >> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
When
> > it
> >> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
> >> real
> >> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer
case.
> >>
> >> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
> > ATC.
> >> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
> > speeds.
> >> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> >> driveway in a few minutes
> >>
> >> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department
> >> in
> >> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
> >> you
> >> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can
> > also
> >> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
> > your
> >> factory radio.
> >>
> >> Other differences.
> >>
> >> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
> >> highway
> >> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their
specific
> >> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> >> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> > Hi All,
> >> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
> > vehicles
> >> > I'm comparing for purchase.
> >> >
> >> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
> > clean
> >> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
system.
> >> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
> >> > front,
> >> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> >> > airbags,
> >> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
> > down
> >> > some from that.
> >> >
> >> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
very
> >> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other
options
> >> > make
> >> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
> >> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver
and
> >> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
price,
> >> > $15,200
> >> >
> >> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> >> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
Limited
> >> > trim
> >> > on a Laredo.
> >> > Any candid thoughts?
> >> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> >> > behind
> >> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> >> > Thanks.
> >> > D
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

D

Billy Ray,
What a great site ! ! ! THanks so much! That will really help.
So, taking the dash out is a job huh? That's an understatement. Heh.
Thanks for the explanation of 'severe service'.
I do appreciate all the help. It clears a lot up for me.
D

"billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
news:94006$44c04b27$48311eaf$7039@FUSE.NET...
> There is blend door write up on WJ Jeeps at:
> http://www.wjjeeps.com/hvac_sub_assembly.htm
>
> In 'severe service' you replace most of the underbody lubricants on a
yearly
> basis, on the other schedule they are 'lifetime' fluids.
>
> I would also take the vehicle to a dead end street or parking lot at night
> (when it is quieter) and listen for noises/bindings while at slow speed
> going from full lock to lock
>
> I was somewhat surprised at the lack of tire options myself. This is
> compounded by a lack of information about what other 17 inch sizes will
> actually fit without interference or lifting.
>
> I suspect that mileage would be somewhat better with the Selec-Trac but
I've
> never heard that it was very much.
>
>
> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> news:fyWvg.1801$D%4.1387@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > Thanks Billy Ray. I agree. Most of the problems with my 93 ZJ inline 6
> > have
> > been the accessories. Does that blend door cause the whole system to
fail?
> > I'm sorry, I don't understand your second paragraph here. I assume the
> > nv249
> > xfer case is the Quadra-Drive? What is the 'severe service' maintenance
> > you
> > mention? There was no binding, stiffness or noise from the underside
> > during
> > a 5 mile test drive. I did try to make several sharp, lock to lock turns
> > during it for that reason. I was surprised a full time 4WD could be so
> > smooth.
> > Do I understand you to say that the Select-Trac is more durable in your
> > opinion than the Quadra? Is this because it is only an occassional
> > part-time
> > use of the system? I would think that gas mileage might be better with
the
> > Selec-Trac since you're not driving the front wheels all the time too.
> > I have done the resistor checkout in my 93. I agree, simple and easy
fix.
> > I
> > am a recovering shade-tree guy anyway.
> > I don't care really too much about the hooks or the CD changer really. I
> > just put that in cause it came to mind, but thanks.
> > The tire reference is very telling. I do appreciate that type of
> > information.
> > Thanks for your input. Any other thoughts?
> >
> > "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
> > news:a83dc$44c0281f$48311eaf$5046@FUSE.NET...
> >> The doo-dads, gee-gaw, and bling bling in the Limiteds and Overlands
are
> > the
> >> most common cause of expensive repairs.
> >>
> >> The Limited's automatic temperature control system have a well known
> >> tendency of developing the 'blend door' syndrome where you will get in
> >> the
> >> vehicle one day and find yourself needing a $1000-$1200 worth of labor
to
> >> get the heat or A/C to work as the dash needs to be removed to replace
> >> $12
> >> in parts. There may well be no warning before failure
> >>
> >> The nv249 transfer case is also a point of weakness, especially in a
> > vehicle
> >> that hasn't had 'severe service' maintenance performed. Pay special
> >> attention to ANY noise, stiffness, resistance, clunking when
accelerating
> >> and especially turning which would indicate failure is approaching.
When
> > it
> >> fails you will be, literally, stuck wherever the failure occurs. The
> >> real
> >> 'fix' for this situation is to swap in a nv242 Selec-Trac transfer
case.
> >>
> >> The Laredo's heat/air system lacks the trouble prone components of the
> > ATC.
> >> There is a known problem in the resistor block that controls the fan
> > speeds.
> >> It is located underneath the glovebox and is easily replaced in your
> >> driveway in a few minutes
> >>
> >> If you want tow hooks they are available at the dealer parts department
> >> in
> >> chrome or black for less than $100 for the front or, if you are handy,
> >> you
> >> can install them yourself and save the labor charge The CD changer can
> > also
> >> be added at anytime, the changer controls are, most likely, already in
> > your
> >> factory radio.
> >>
> >> Other differences.
> >>
> >> Laredos have 16 inch wheels that offer a large amount of choice in
> >> highway
> >> and off-road tires. The Limiteds have 17 inch wheels and their
specific
> >> size (235/65x17) is only made by a couple brands.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "D" <dpfer@r.com> wrote in message
> >> news:73Vvg.1760$D%4.711@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >> > Hi All,
> >> > I hope you might indulge me with an exercise on the value of two
> > vehicles
> >> > I'm comparing for purchase.
> >> >
> >> > Vehicle 1 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Limited with 82,500 miles. Very
> > clean
> >> > and mechanically inspected. 4.7 Liter V-8 with the Quadra-Drive
system.
> >> > Other baubles, leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., tow hooks on
> >> > front,
> >> > dual temp controls, 10 CD changer and cassette player, side impact
> >> > airbags,
> >> > 90 day warranty. Car drives out very nice. Asking $13,999, will come
> > down
> >> > some from that.
> >> >
> >> > Vehicle 2 is a 2002 Grand Cherokee, Laredo with 37,950 miles. Also
very
> >> > clean but as-is. 4.7 Liter V-8 with a Selec-Trac system. Other
options
> >> > make
> >> > it like a Limited. Leather, moon-roof, factory tow pkg., no tow hooks
> >> > though, single temp control, single CD and cassette player, driver
and
> >> > passenger airbags, 30 day warranty. Drives out very nice. Lowest
price,
> >> > $15,200
> >> >
> >> > V-1 is cherry, obviously a highway car.
> >> > V-1 seems like a mongrel with the V-8/Selec-Trac system and the
Limited
> >> > trim
> >> > on a Laredo.
> >> > Any candid thoughts?
> >> > I'm particularly interested to know if the Selec-Trac system is good
> >> > behind
> >> > that V-8. I think it might save a bit on gas mileage maybe.
> >> > Thanks.
> >> > D
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>