Lon

Kalifornians are just following the human tendency of hating the very
things that are pretty much absolutely necessary to survive. With a
political climate that takes 25 years and three supreme court decisions
to extend a light rail line one half of a mile, you can imagine the
virtually total lack of public transit in the state except for very
small local pockets of such. Then you add the extremely large size of
the state plus the really oddball zoning ordnances designed to keep
folks from living within bike or walk distances of their employment or
supermarkets and you are pretty much screwed without a vehicle in all
but a very very very few urban centers.

Then you add in the movie magic so realistic that folks tend to believe
that you get electricity by just turning on a switch [with no power
plants] and gas by just clicking a lever at the station [with no oil
wells, no refineries] and you pretty much have defined the typical
Kalifornian treehugger that drives their Hummer to an anti-SUV protest
rally.



Dave Milne proclaimed:

> Well quite. I would have thought that a defence of "Californians knew about
> their pollution levels, but wilfully drove too many miles" would also do it.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:IPkQg.13420$Qg.13296@southeast.rr.com...
>
>>I bet he's running for governor.
>>
>>Seems to me the auto makers have a great defense.
>>
>>Kalifornia sets it's own emission standards, the automakers met the
>>standards set by the state.
>>
>>If Kalifornia doesn't like the standard they should go sue themselves.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>
>
>

Lon

Kalifornians are just following the human tendency of hating the very
things that are pretty much absolutely necessary to survive. With a
political climate that takes 25 years and three supreme court decisions
to extend a light rail line one half of a mile, you can imagine the
virtually total lack of public transit in the state except for very
small local pockets of such. Then you add the extremely large size of
the state plus the really oddball zoning ordnances designed to keep
folks from living within bike or walk distances of their employment or
supermarkets and you are pretty much screwed without a vehicle in all
but a very very very few urban centers.

Then you add in the movie magic so realistic that folks tend to believe
that you get electricity by just turning on a switch [with no power
plants] and gas by just clicking a lever at the station [with no oil
wells, no refineries] and you pretty much have defined the typical
Kalifornian treehugger that drives their Hummer to an anti-SUV protest
rally.



Dave Milne proclaimed:

> Well quite. I would have thought that a defence of "Californians knew about
> their pollution levels, but wilfully drove too many miles" would also do it.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:IPkQg.13420$Qg.13296@southeast.rr.com...
>
>>I bet he's running for governor.
>>
>>Seems to me the auto makers have a great defense.
>>
>>Kalifornia sets it's own emission standards, the automakers met the
>>standards set by the state.
>>
>>If Kalifornia doesn't like the standard they should go sue themselves.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>
>
>

Lon

Kalifornians are just following the human tendency of hating the very
things that are pretty much absolutely necessary to survive. With a
political climate that takes 25 years and three supreme court decisions
to extend a light rail line one half of a mile, you can imagine the
virtually total lack of public transit in the state except for very
small local pockets of such. Then you add the extremely large size of
the state plus the really oddball zoning ordnances designed to keep
folks from living within bike or walk distances of their employment or
supermarkets and you are pretty much screwed without a vehicle in all
but a very very very few urban centers.

Then you add in the movie magic so realistic that folks tend to believe
that you get electricity by just turning on a switch [with no power
plants] and gas by just clicking a lever at the station [with no oil
wells, no refineries] and you pretty much have defined the typical
Kalifornian treehugger that drives their Hummer to an anti-SUV protest
rally.



Dave Milne proclaimed:

> Well quite. I would have thought that a defence of "Californians knew about
> their pollution levels, but wilfully drove too many miles" would also do it.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeffrey DeWitt" <JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:IPkQg.13420$Qg.13296@southeast.rr.com...
>
>>I bet he's running for governor.
>>
>>Seems to me the auto makers have a great defense.
>>
>>Kalifornia sets it's own emission standards, the automakers met the
>>standards set by the state.
>>
>>If Kalifornia doesn't like the standard they should go sue themselves.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>
>
>

billy ray

They do have liquid assets but between the environmental terrorists and
misguided yupettes the market for milk in Kalifornia is declining.


"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:V9adnYkR4dN79ojYnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> Dave, if the cows in Kalifornia had liquid assets, the state would sue
> them for the methane in cow farts.
>
>
> Dave Milne proclaimed:
>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>>
>> Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel at
>> the
>> American legal system !
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>

billy ray

They do have liquid assets but between the environmental terrorists and
misguided yupettes the market for milk in Kalifornia is declining.


"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:V9adnYkR4dN79ojYnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> Dave, if the cows in Kalifornia had liquid assets, the state would sue
> them for the methane in cow farts.
>
>
> Dave Milne proclaimed:
>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>>
>> Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel at
>> the
>> American legal system !
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>

billy ray

They do have liquid assets but between the environmental terrorists and
misguided yupettes the market for milk in Kalifornia is declining.


"Lon" <lon.stowell@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:V9adnYkR4dN79ojYnZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> Dave, if the cows in Kalifornia had liquid assets, the state would sue
> them for the methane in cow farts.
>
>
> Dave Milne proclaimed:
>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>>
>> Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel at
>> the
>> American legal system !
>>
>> Dave Milne, Scotland
>> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>

Lon

I expect that will pale in comparison to the comedy going on up in San
Jose as it plays out and into the pockets of the lawyers.

L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:

> The courts just threw out a jury awarded 120 million slander suit
> against the city for our last major of San Diego.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>Your barristers are looking at their colleagues across the pond and seeing
>>how much money they can made.

Lon

I expect that will pale in comparison to the comedy going on up in San
Jose as it plays out and into the pockets of the lawyers.

L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:

> The courts just threw out a jury awarded 120 million slander suit
> against the city for our last major of San Diego.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>Your barristers are looking at their colleagues across the pond and seeing
>>how much money they can made.

Lon

I expect that will pale in comparison to the comedy going on up in San
Jose as it plays out and into the pockets of the lawyers.

L.W.(Bill) ------ III proclaimed:

> The courts just threw out a jury awarded 120 million slander suit
> against the city for our last major of San Diego.
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>
>>Your barristers are looking at their colleagues across the pond and seeing
>>how much money they can made.

Lon

That is one answer. To me it is blaming other folks. I blame the folks
who vote for the pliticians who pull these stunts since they know it
will get them elected or re-elected.


Jeffrey DeWitt proclaimed:

> Dave, it's easy enough to understand.
>
> It's got nothing to do with pollution or the automakers doing anything
> wrong (they didn't), it has EVERYTHING to do with a politician abusing
> his powers and trying to get headlines so he can win another election.
>
> In this case I think the legal term is "prosecutorial misconduct".
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>
>> I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !
>>
>> The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
>> other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
>> claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2
>> veterans
>> who risked getting their ***** shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
>> without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
>> Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk
>> along
>> a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their
>> walking
>> sticks ? Downright disgusting.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>>> Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
>>> US population.
>>
>>
>>
>>