California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
#141
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Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
That is one answer. To me it is blaming other folks. I blame the folks
who vote for the pliticians who pull these stunts since they know it
will get them elected or re-elected.
Jeffrey DeWitt proclaimed:
> Dave, it's easy enough to understand.
>
> It's got nothing to do with pollution or the automakers doing anything
> wrong (they didn't), it has EVERYTHING to do with a politician abusing
> his powers and trying to get headlines so he can win another election.
>
> In this case I think the legal term is "prosecutorial misconduct".
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>
>> I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !
>>
>> The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
>> other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
>> claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2
>> veterans
>> who risked getting their ***** shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
>> without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
>> Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk
>> along
>> a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their
>> walking
>> sticks ? Downright disgusting.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>>> Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
>>> US population.
>>
>>
>>
>>
who vote for the pliticians who pull these stunts since they know it
will get them elected or re-elected.
Jeffrey DeWitt proclaimed:
> Dave, it's easy enough to understand.
>
> It's got nothing to do with pollution or the automakers doing anything
> wrong (they didn't), it has EVERYTHING to do with a politician abusing
> his powers and trying to get headlines so he can win another election.
>
> In this case I think the legal term is "prosecutorial misconduct".
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>
>> I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !
>>
>> The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
>> other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
>> claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2
>> veterans
>> who risked getting their ***** shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
>> without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
>> Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk
>> along
>> a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their
>> walking
>> sticks ? Downright disgusting.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>>> Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
>>> US population.
>>
>>
>>
>>
#142
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Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
That is one answer. To me it is blaming other folks. I blame the folks
who vote for the pliticians who pull these stunts since they know it
will get them elected or re-elected.
Jeffrey DeWitt proclaimed:
> Dave, it's easy enough to understand.
>
> It's got nothing to do with pollution or the automakers doing anything
> wrong (they didn't), it has EVERYTHING to do with a politician abusing
> his powers and trying to get headlines so he can win another election.
>
> In this case I think the legal term is "prosecutorial misconduct".
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>
>> I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !
>>
>> The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
>> other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
>> claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2
>> veterans
>> who risked getting their ***** shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
>> without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
>> Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk
>> along
>> a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their
>> walking
>> sticks ? Downright disgusting.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>>> Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
>>> US population.
>>
>>
>>
>>
who vote for the pliticians who pull these stunts since they know it
will get them elected or re-elected.
Jeffrey DeWitt proclaimed:
> Dave, it's easy enough to understand.
>
> It's got nothing to do with pollution or the automakers doing anything
> wrong (they didn't), it has EVERYTHING to do with a politician abusing
> his powers and trying to get headlines so he can win another election.
>
> In this case I think the legal term is "prosecutorial misconduct".
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
>
>> I can't even *begin* to understand that lawsuit !
>>
>> The sad thing is we are moving the same way re litigousness and blaming
>> other people. Car insurance is going up massively due to personal injury
>> claims. Other really nasty side effects - for example, World War 2
>> veterans
>> who risked getting their ***** shot off now cannot have a veterans parade
>> without PAYING £300 insurance "in case someone get's hurt".
>> Un-f*kng-believable. Insurance for a group of senior citizens to walk
>> along
>> a road ? I mean what are they going to do - chop someone with their
>> walking
>> sticks ? Downright disgusting.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>> "billy ray" <billy_ray@SPAMfuse.net> wrote in message
>>> news:80914$4512a3c5$422afc51$7982@FUSE.NET...
>>> Dave, That shows you do not understand the mindset of a portion of the
>>> US population.
>>
>>
>>
>>
#143
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Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
Not to mention reformed polluter and tree hugger Arianna Huffington if
she decides her Lincoln Navigator wasn't such a bad idea after all.
Al J proclaimed:
> If they're so concerned about polution and energy use, shouldn't the
> express and HOV lanes be reserved for Humvee's, Super Pickups, Ferrari's
> and other vehicles that get really poor gas mileage in bumper to bumper
> traffic? That would sure make it easier for the Guv'nor to get around in
> his Humvee ;-)
>
> In article <IPkQg.13420$Qg.13296@southeast.rr.com>, JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com
> says...
>
>>I bet he's running for governor.
>>
>>Seems to me the auto makers have a great defense.
>>
>>Kalifornia sets it's own emission standards, the automakers met the
>>standards set by the state.
>>
>>If Kalifornia doesn't like the standard they should go sue themselves.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>Is the Attorny General of Kalifornia up for re-election this year?
>>>
>>>Next thing you know they'll sue gun manufacturers because their murder rate
>>>is so high...
>>>
>>>"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>>>news:c6jQg.1759$iA5.1016@dukeread11...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dave Milne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>>>>>
>>>>>Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel
>>>>>at the American legal system !
>>>>
>>>>If by marvel you mean laugh them selves silly, then yes, I agree.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>DougW
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
#144
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Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
Not to mention reformed polluter and tree hugger Arianna Huffington if
she decides her Lincoln Navigator wasn't such a bad idea after all.
Al J proclaimed:
> If they're so concerned about polution and energy use, shouldn't the
> express and HOV lanes be reserved for Humvee's, Super Pickups, Ferrari's
> and other vehicles that get really poor gas mileage in bumper to bumper
> traffic? That would sure make it easier for the Guv'nor to get around in
> his Humvee ;-)
>
> In article <IPkQg.13420$Qg.13296@southeast.rr.com>, JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com
> says...
>
>>I bet he's running for governor.
>>
>>Seems to me the auto makers have a great defense.
>>
>>Kalifornia sets it's own emission standards, the automakers met the
>>standards set by the state.
>>
>>If Kalifornia doesn't like the standard they should go sue themselves.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>Is the Attorny General of Kalifornia up for re-election this year?
>>>
>>>Next thing you know they'll sue gun manufacturers because their murder rate
>>>is so high...
>>>
>>>"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>>>news:c6jQg.1759$iA5.1016@dukeread11...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dave Milne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>>>>>
>>>>>Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel
>>>>>at the American legal system !
>>>>
>>>>If by marvel you mean laugh them selves silly, then yes, I agree.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>DougW
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
#145
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Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
Not to mention reformed polluter and tree hugger Arianna Huffington if
she decides her Lincoln Navigator wasn't such a bad idea after all.
Al J proclaimed:
> If they're so concerned about polution and energy use, shouldn't the
> express and HOV lanes be reserved for Humvee's, Super Pickups, Ferrari's
> and other vehicles that get really poor gas mileage in bumper to bumper
> traffic? That would sure make it easier for the Guv'nor to get around in
> his Humvee ;-)
>
> In article <IPkQg.13420$Qg.13296@southeast.rr.com>, JeffDeWitt@nc.rr.com
> says...
>
>>I bet he's running for governor.
>>
>>Seems to me the auto makers have a great defense.
>>
>>Kalifornia sets it's own emission standards, the automakers met the
>>standards set by the state.
>>
>>If Kalifornia doesn't like the standard they should go sue themselves.
>>
>>Jeff DeWitt
>>
>>Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
>>
>>>Is the Attorny General of Kalifornia up for re-election this year?
>>>
>>>Next thing you know they'll sue gun manufacturers because their murder rate
>>>is so high...
>>>
>>>"DougW" <post.replies@invalid.address> wrote in message
>>>news:c6jQg.1759$iA5.1016@dukeread11...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Dave Milne wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>>>>>
>>>>>Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel
>>>>>at the American legal system !
>>>>
>>>>If by marvel you mean laugh them selves silly, then yes, I agree.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>DougW
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
#146
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Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
Stop being politically correct. They aren't 'greenies', they are
environmental terrorists.
They (the leadership) don't give a tinkers *%&% about the condition of the
environment as their avowed goal is the destruction of the American way of
life. Their every action confirms this.
What I find alarming is that people buy into their propaganda and support
the financially, spiritually, and with their votes.
> That's nothing, wait until you see what the greenies are trying to do to
> drive the price of gasoline into triple digits per gallon in Kalifornia.
environmental terrorists.
They (the leadership) don't give a tinkers *%&% about the condition of the
environment as their avowed goal is the destruction of the American way of
life. Their every action confirms this.
What I find alarming is that people buy into their propaganda and support
the financially, spiritually, and with their votes.
> That's nothing, wait until you see what the greenies are trying to do to
> drive the price of gasoline into triple digits per gallon in Kalifornia.
#147
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Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
Stop being politically correct. They aren't 'greenies', they are
environmental terrorists.
They (the leadership) don't give a tinkers *%&% about the condition of the
environment as their avowed goal is the destruction of the American way of
life. Their every action confirms this.
What I find alarming is that people buy into their propaganda and support
the financially, spiritually, and with their votes.
> That's nothing, wait until you see what the greenies are trying to do to
> drive the price of gasoline into triple digits per gallon in Kalifornia.
environmental terrorists.
They (the leadership) don't give a tinkers *%&% about the condition of the
environment as their avowed goal is the destruction of the American way of
life. Their every action confirms this.
What I find alarming is that people buy into their propaganda and support
the financially, spiritually, and with their votes.
> That's nothing, wait until you see what the greenies are trying to do to
> drive the price of gasoline into triple digits per gallon in Kalifornia.
#148
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Posts: n/a
Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Honda and Nissan for emissions
Stop being politically correct. They aren't 'greenies', they are
environmental terrorists.
They (the leadership) don't give a tinkers *%&% about the condition of the
environment as their avowed goal is the destruction of the American way of
life. Their every action confirms this.
What I find alarming is that people buy into their propaganda and support
the financially, spiritually, and with their votes.
> That's nothing, wait until you see what the greenies are trying to do to
> drive the price of gasoline into triple digits per gallon in Kalifornia.
environmental terrorists.
They (the leadership) don't give a tinkers *%&% about the condition of the
environment as their avowed goal is the destruction of the American way of
life. Their every action confirms this.
What I find alarming is that people buy into their propaganda and support
the financially, spiritually, and with their votes.
> That's nothing, wait until you see what the greenies are trying to do to
> drive the price of gasoline into triple digits per gallon in Kalifornia.
#149
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Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
sam owens proclaimed:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:55:09 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>
>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>>
>>Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel at the
>>American legal system !
>>
>>Dave Milne, Scotland
>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>
>
> I've been to California twice in 63 and 06 and I can only say that
> California is a special case when it comes to air because of the
> climate, topography, etc and it's about cleaner air. Cleaner air is
> important and I don't give a crap about any of those companies. They
> want my money and loyalty. Those are not the top qualities in my book.
>
> I'd rather they cared about lungs but that ain't gonna happen HA!
>
I've lived in northern and southern california and in a past employer
had as a customer the good folks who monitor air quality around a few
urban areas. Yes, there is a lot of pollution around the freeways, but
the real gross polluters are fixed installations that buy off "pollution
credits" rather than clean up their acts. And are very good at getting
the uninformed to believe that it is really automobiles causing all the
troubles.
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:55:09 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>
>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>>
>>Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel at the
>>American legal system !
>>
>>Dave Milne, Scotland
>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>
>
> I've been to California twice in 63 and 06 and I can only say that
> California is a special case when it comes to air because of the
> climate, topography, etc and it's about cleaner air. Cleaner air is
> important and I don't give a crap about any of those companies. They
> want my money and loyalty. Those are not the top qualities in my book.
>
> I'd rather they cared about lungs but that ain't gonna happen HA!
>
I've lived in northern and southern california and in a past employer
had as a customer the good folks who monitor air quality around a few
urban areas. Yes, there is a lot of pollution around the freeways, but
the real gross polluters are fixed installations that buy off "pollution
credits" rather than clean up their acts. And are very good at getting
the uninformed to believe that it is really automobiles causing all the
troubles.
#150
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Re: California sues Ford, General Motors, Chrysler, Toyota, Hondaand Nissan for emissions
sam owens proclaimed:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:55:09 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>
>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>>
>>Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel at the
>>American legal system !
>>
>>Dave Milne, Scotland
>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>
>
> I've been to California twice in 63 and 06 and I can only say that
> California is a special case when it comes to air because of the
> climate, topography, etc and it's about cleaner air. Cleaner air is
> important and I don't give a crap about any of those companies. They
> want my money and loyalty. Those are not the top qualities in my book.
>
> I'd rather they cared about lungs but that ain't gonna happen HA!
>
I've lived in northern and southern california and in a past employer
had as a customer the good folks who monitor air quality around a few
urban areas. Yes, there is a lot of pollution around the freeways, but
the real gross polluters are fixed installations that buy off "pollution
credits" rather than clean up their acts. And are very good at getting
the uninformed to believe that it is really automobiles causing all the
troubles.
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 21:55:09 GMT, "Dave Milne"
> <jeep@_nospam_milne.info> wrote:
>
>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5365672.stm
>>
>>Once again the rest of the world will scratch their heads and marvel at the
>>American legal system !
>>
>>Dave Milne, Scotland
>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>
>
> I've been to California twice in 63 and 06 and I can only say that
> California is a special case when it comes to air because of the
> climate, topography, etc and it's about cleaner air. Cleaner air is
> important and I don't give a crap about any of those companies. They
> want my money and loyalty. Those are not the top qualities in my book.
>
> I'd rather they cared about lungs but that ain't gonna happen HA!
>
I've lived in northern and southern california and in a past employer
had as a customer the good folks who monitor air quality around a few
urban areas. Yes, there is a lot of pollution around the freeways, but
the real gross polluters are fixed installations that buy off "pollution
credits" rather than clean up their acts. And are very good at getting
the uninformed to believe that it is really automobiles causing all the
troubles.