Blue smoke -- Help!!
01-08-2004, 03:40 PM
#11
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Re: Blue smoke -- Help!!
Hi Bill,
You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
might as well ring it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
>
> Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
>
> Thanks,
You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
might as well ring it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
>
> Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
>
> Thanks,
01-08-2004, 03:40 PM
#12
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Re: Blue smoke -- Help!!
Hi Bill,
You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
might as well ring it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
>
> Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
>
> Thanks,
You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
might as well ring it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
>
> Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
>
> Thanks,
01-08-2004, 03:40 PM
#13
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Re: Blue smoke -- Help!!
Hi Bill,
You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
might as well ring it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
>
> Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
>
> Thanks,
You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
might as well ring it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
>
> Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
>
> Thanks,
01-08-2004, 04:53 PM
#14
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Re: Blue smoke -- Help!!
How do you access the rings on a 258? Can you do this with the head off or
do you need to pull the engine?
I don't have an air compressor. Oh, I think I see what you're saying.
You're saying to pump compressed air into the spark plug hole to hold the
valve in place. Otherwise it will fall down into the cylinder when it's
unbolted.
Bill
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FFDC059.BF28764A@***.net...
> Hi Bill,
> You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
> compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
> lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
> replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
> might as well ring it.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> > that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
> >
> > Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
> >
> > Thanks,
do you need to pull the engine?
I don't have an air compressor. Oh, I think I see what you're saying.
You're saying to pump compressed air into the spark plug hole to hold the
valve in place. Otherwise it will fall down into the cylinder when it's
unbolted.
Bill
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FFDC059.BF28764A@***.net...
> Hi Bill,
> You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
> compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
> lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
> replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
> might as well ring it.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> > that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
> >
> > Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
> >
> > Thanks,
01-08-2004, 04:53 PM
#15
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Re: Blue smoke -- Help!!
How do you access the rings on a 258? Can you do this with the head off or
do you need to pull the engine?
I don't have an air compressor. Oh, I think I see what you're saying.
You're saying to pump compressed air into the spark plug hole to hold the
valve in place. Otherwise it will fall down into the cylinder when it's
unbolted.
Bill
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FFDC059.BF28764A@***.net...
> Hi Bill,
> You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
> compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
> lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
> replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
> might as well ring it.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> > that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
> >
> > Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
> >
> > Thanks,
do you need to pull the engine?
I don't have an air compressor. Oh, I think I see what you're saying.
You're saying to pump compressed air into the spark plug hole to hold the
valve in place. Otherwise it will fall down into the cylinder when it's
unbolted.
Bill
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FFDC059.BF28764A@***.net...
> Hi Bill,
> You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
> compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
> lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
> replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
> might as well ring it.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> > that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
> >
> > Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
> >
> > Thanks,
01-08-2004, 04:53 PM
#16
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Re: Blue smoke -- Help!!
How do you access the rings on a 258? Can you do this with the head off or
do you need to pull the engine?
I don't have an air compressor. Oh, I think I see what you're saying.
You're saying to pump compressed air into the spark plug hole to hold the
valve in place. Otherwise it will fall down into the cylinder when it's
unbolted.
Bill
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FFDC059.BF28764A@***.net...
> Hi Bill,
> You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
> compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
> lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
> replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
> might as well ring it.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> > that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
> >
> > Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
> >
> > Thanks,
do you need to pull the engine?
I don't have an air compressor. Oh, I think I see what you're saying.
You're saying to pump compressed air into the spark plug hole to hold the
valve in place. Otherwise it will fall down into the cylinder when it's
unbolted.
Bill
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:3FFDC059.BF28764A@***.net...
> Hi Bill,
> You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
> compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
> lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
> replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
> might as well ring it.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> William Oliveri wrote:
> >
> > Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> > that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
> >
> > Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
> >
> > Thanks,
01-08-2004, 05:23 PM
#17
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Re: Blue smoke -- Help!!
A shade tree mechanic would drop the pan and pull the rod caps and
put new inserts while you're there using the motor mounts as a stand. I
sounds like you'd be better off pulling the engine and letting a machine
shop rebuild it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> How do you access the rings on a 258? Can you do this with the head off or
> do you need to pull the engine?
>
> I don't have an air compressor. Oh, I think I see what you're saying.
> You're saying to pump compressed air into the spark plug hole to hold the
> valve in place. Otherwise it will fall down into the cylinder when it's
> unbolted.
>
> Bill
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FFDC059.BF28764A@***.net...
> > Hi Bill,
> > You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
> > compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
> > lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
> > replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
> > might as well ring it.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> > > that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
> > >
> > > Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
put new inserts while you're there using the motor mounts as a stand. I
sounds like you'd be better off pulling the engine and letting a machine
shop rebuild it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> How do you access the rings on a 258? Can you do this with the head off or
> do you need to pull the engine?
>
> I don't have an air compressor. Oh, I think I see what you're saying.
> You're saying to pump compressed air into the spark plug hole to hold the
> valve in place. Otherwise it will fall down into the cylinder when it's
> unbolted.
>
> Bill
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FFDC059.BF28764A@***.net...
> > Hi Bill,
> > You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
> > compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
> > lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
> > replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
> > might as well ring it.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> > > that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
> > >
> > > Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
01-08-2004, 05:23 PM
#18
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Re: Blue smoke -- Help!!
A shade tree mechanic would drop the pan and pull the rod caps and
put new inserts while you're there using the motor mounts as a stand. I
sounds like you'd be better off pulling the engine and letting a machine
shop rebuild it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> How do you access the rings on a 258? Can you do this with the head off or
> do you need to pull the engine?
>
> I don't have an air compressor. Oh, I think I see what you're saying.
> You're saying to pump compressed air into the spark plug hole to hold the
> valve in place. Otherwise it will fall down into the cylinder when it's
> unbolted.
>
> Bill
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FFDC059.BF28764A@***.net...
> > Hi Bill,
> > You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
> > compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
> > lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
> > replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
> > might as well ring it.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> > > that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
> > >
> > > Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
put new inserts while you're there using the motor mounts as a stand. I
sounds like you'd be better off pulling the engine and letting a machine
shop rebuild it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> How do you access the rings on a 258? Can you do this with the head off or
> do you need to pull the engine?
>
> I don't have an air compressor. Oh, I think I see what you're saying.
> You're saying to pump compressed air into the spark plug hole to hold the
> valve in place. Otherwise it will fall down into the cylinder when it's
> unbolted.
>
> Bill
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FFDC059.BF28764A@***.net...
> > Hi Bill,
> > You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
> > compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
> > lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
> > replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
> > might as well ring it.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> > > that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
> > >
> > > Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
01-08-2004, 05:23 PM
#19
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Re: Blue smoke -- Help!!
A shade tree mechanic would drop the pan and pull the rod caps and
put new inserts while you're there using the motor mounts as a stand. I
sounds like you'd be better off pulling the engine and letting a machine
shop rebuild it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> How do you access the rings on a 258? Can you do this with the head off or
> do you need to pull the engine?
>
> I don't have an air compressor. Oh, I think I see what you're saying.
> You're saying to pump compressed air into the spark plug hole to hold the
> valve in place. Otherwise it will fall down into the cylinder when it's
> unbolted.
>
> Bill
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FFDC059.BF28764A@***.net...
> > Hi Bill,
> > You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
> > compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
> > lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
> > replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
> > might as well ring it.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> > > that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
> > >
> > > Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
put new inserts while you're there using the motor mounts as a stand. I
sounds like you'd be better off pulling the engine and letting a machine
shop rebuild it.
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
William Oliveri wrote:
>
> How do you access the rings on a 258? Can you do this with the head off or
> do you need to pull the engine?
>
> I don't have an air compressor. Oh, I think I see what you're saying.
> You're saying to pump compressed air into the spark plug hole to hold the
> valve in place. Otherwise it will fall down into the cylinder when it's
> unbolted.
>
> Bill
>
> "L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
> news:3FFDC059.BF28764A@***.net...
> > Hi Bill,
> > You may use compressed air to hold the valves as you use a spring
> > compressor to change the seals in place, but you're telling us the
> > lifters are so loud as to think it was pinging, tells me they should be
> > replaced, and that requires the head to come off. While your there you
> > might as well ring it.
> > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> > mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
> >
> > William Oliveri wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure on the engine age/miles. I'm guessing from what I've been told
> > > that I have between 60k to 80k but that's just a guess.
> > >
> > > Do you need to pull the head to put the valve stem seals on?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
01-09-2004, 08:13 AM
#20
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Re: Blue smoke -- Help!!
"William Oliveri" <wuji@bigvalley.net> wrote in message
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> How do you access the rings on a 258? Can you do this with the head off
or
> do you need to pull the engine?
>
> I don't have an air compressor. Oh, I think I see what you're saying.
> You're saying to pump compressed air into the spark plug hole to hold the
> valve in place. Otherwise it will fall down into the cylinder when it's
> unbolted.
>
> Bill
>
another 'shadetree' trick is to stuff a nylon rope into the sparkplug so as
to fill the cumbustion chamber completely. the valve will then have nowhere
to go when you are squeezing the spring...
it is easiest to pull the engine to replace the rings, but an adventurous
individual could attempt to do it from underneath - pull the oil pan and
crank and etc., etc., etc.
i have little money for many things and i have found it is much easier to
keep it simple. valve stem seals are much cheaper to replace than guides or
rings or other things. i am not saying it couldn't be the rings or guides
that are bad, i am just saying, try the valve stem seals. BUT, FIRST!
first check the PCV valve.
has this engine ever been overheated?
--
bob z.
"people with less brain power than you are doing more difficult things
everyday"©