Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
#61
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
> How can you help, but panic, if you stand on your brakes and nothing
happens? They unbelted and prepared to jump but it was too late, they had
bought the farm. >
There's a very steep descent along Ingram creek with some serious ledges
that runs to the spot where they went off. You should be crawling right at
the spot of the turn and there's a generous amount of room (compared to
what's coming further on) to do a 3 point turn and head down the trails,
over the creek and on to the next switchback, which is very tight and
narrow. The only thought I had is that they either were panicked and simply
lost it, or tried to make the turn in one pass, rather than backing up. I
hadn't thought about the possibility they may have unbelted to try and bail
out.
happens? They unbelted and prepared to jump but it was too late, they had
bought the farm. >
There's a very steep descent along Ingram creek with some serious ledges
that runs to the spot where they went off. You should be crawling right at
the spot of the turn and there's a generous amount of room (compared to
what's coming further on) to do a 3 point turn and head down the trails,
over the creek and on to the next switchback, which is very tight and
narrow. The only thought I had is that they either were panicked and simply
lost it, or tried to make the turn in one pass, rather than backing up. I
hadn't thought about the possibility they may have unbelted to try and bail
out.
#62
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
Jerry McG wrote:
>
> > How can you help, but panic, if you stand on your brakes and nothing
> happens? They unbelted and prepared to jump but it was too late, they had
> bought the farm. >
>
> There's a very steep descent along Ingram creek with some serious ledges
> that runs to the spot where they went off. You should be crawling right at
> the spot of the turn and there's a generous amount of room (compared to
> what's coming further on) to do a 3 point turn and head down the trails,
> over the creek and on to the next switchback, which is very tight and
> narrow. The only thought I had is that they either were panicked and simply
> lost it, or tried to make the turn in one pass, rather than backing up. I
> hadn't thought about the possibility they may have unbelted to try and bail
> out.
It would be interesting and educational to find out if the Jeep did
indeed have ABS or not.
I have seen Jeeps coming down tight ravine switchbacks and if the tree
wasn't there to stop them, well.....
The same TJ did the same run later with both ABS fuses pulled and
managed to stop fine to do the 3 point.
I know it isn't supposed to work at slow speeds, but if you are coming
faster than the cut off and they turn on, they stay on or some just
always come on.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> > How can you help, but panic, if you stand on your brakes and nothing
> happens? They unbelted and prepared to jump but it was too late, they had
> bought the farm. >
>
> There's a very steep descent along Ingram creek with some serious ledges
> that runs to the spot where they went off. You should be crawling right at
> the spot of the turn and there's a generous amount of room (compared to
> what's coming further on) to do a 3 point turn and head down the trails,
> over the creek and on to the next switchback, which is very tight and
> narrow. The only thought I had is that they either were panicked and simply
> lost it, or tried to make the turn in one pass, rather than backing up. I
> hadn't thought about the possibility they may have unbelted to try and bail
> out.
It would be interesting and educational to find out if the Jeep did
indeed have ABS or not.
I have seen Jeeps coming down tight ravine switchbacks and if the tree
wasn't there to stop them, well.....
The same TJ did the same run later with both ABS fuses pulled and
managed to stop fine to do the 3 point.
I know it isn't supposed to work at slow speeds, but if you are coming
faster than the cut off and they turn on, they stay on or some just
always come on.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#63
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
Jerry McG wrote:
>
> > How can you help, but panic, if you stand on your brakes and nothing
> happens? They unbelted and prepared to jump but it was too late, they had
> bought the farm. >
>
> There's a very steep descent along Ingram creek with some serious ledges
> that runs to the spot where they went off. You should be crawling right at
> the spot of the turn and there's a generous amount of room (compared to
> what's coming further on) to do a 3 point turn and head down the trails,
> over the creek and on to the next switchback, which is very tight and
> narrow. The only thought I had is that they either were panicked and simply
> lost it, or tried to make the turn in one pass, rather than backing up. I
> hadn't thought about the possibility they may have unbelted to try and bail
> out.
It would be interesting and educational to find out if the Jeep did
indeed have ABS or not.
I have seen Jeeps coming down tight ravine switchbacks and if the tree
wasn't there to stop them, well.....
The same TJ did the same run later with both ABS fuses pulled and
managed to stop fine to do the 3 point.
I know it isn't supposed to work at slow speeds, but if you are coming
faster than the cut off and they turn on, they stay on or some just
always come on.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> > How can you help, but panic, if you stand on your brakes and nothing
> happens? They unbelted and prepared to jump but it was too late, they had
> bought the farm. >
>
> There's a very steep descent along Ingram creek with some serious ledges
> that runs to the spot where they went off. You should be crawling right at
> the spot of the turn and there's a generous amount of room (compared to
> what's coming further on) to do a 3 point turn and head down the trails,
> over the creek and on to the next switchback, which is very tight and
> narrow. The only thought I had is that they either were panicked and simply
> lost it, or tried to make the turn in one pass, rather than backing up. I
> hadn't thought about the possibility they may have unbelted to try and bail
> out.
It would be interesting and educational to find out if the Jeep did
indeed have ABS or not.
I have seen Jeeps coming down tight ravine switchbacks and if the tree
wasn't there to stop them, well.....
The same TJ did the same run later with both ABS fuses pulled and
managed to stop fine to do the 3 point.
I know it isn't supposed to work at slow speeds, but if you are coming
faster than the cut off and they turn on, they stay on or some just
always come on.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
#64
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
Jerry McG wrote:
>
> > How can you help, but panic, if you stand on your brakes and nothing
> happens? They unbelted and prepared to jump but it was too late, they had
> bought the farm. >
>
> There's a very steep descent along Ingram creek with some serious ledges
> that runs to the spot where they went off. You should be crawling right at
> the spot of the turn and there's a generous amount of room (compared to
> what's coming further on) to do a 3 point turn and head down the trails,
> over the creek and on to the next switchback, which is very tight and
> narrow. The only thought I had is that they either were panicked and simply
> lost it, or tried to make the turn in one pass, rather than backing up. I
> hadn't thought about the possibility they may have unbelted to try and bail
> out.
It would be interesting and educational to find out if the Jeep did
indeed have ABS or not.
I have seen Jeeps coming down tight ravine switchbacks and if the tree
wasn't there to stop them, well.....
The same TJ did the same run later with both ABS fuses pulled and
managed to stop fine to do the 3 point.
I know it isn't supposed to work at slow speeds, but if you are coming
faster than the cut off and they turn on, they stay on or some just
always come on.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> > How can you help, but panic, if you stand on your brakes and nothing
> happens? They unbelted and prepared to jump but it was too late, they had
> bought the farm. >
>
> There's a very steep descent along Ingram creek with some serious ledges
> that runs to the spot where they went off. You should be crawling right at
> the spot of the turn and there's a generous amount of room (compared to
> what's coming further on) to do a 3 point turn and head down the trails,
> over the creek and on to the next switchback, which is very tight and
> narrow. The only thought I had is that they either were panicked and simply
> lost it, or tried to make the turn in one pass, rather than backing up. I
> hadn't thought about the possibility they may have unbelted to try and bail
> out.
It would be interesting and educational to find out if the Jeep did
indeed have ABS or not.
I have seen Jeeps coming down tight ravine switchbacks and if the tree
wasn't there to stop them, well.....
The same TJ did the same run later with both ABS fuses pulled and
managed to stop fine to do the 3 point.
I know it isn't supposed to work at slow speeds, but if you are coming
faster than the cut off and they turn on, they stay on or some just
always come on.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
Jerry McG wrote:
>
> > How can you help, but panic, if you stand on your brakes and nothing
> happens? They unbelted and prepared to jump but it was too late, they had
> bought the farm. >
>
> There's a very steep descent along Ingram creek with some serious ledges
> that runs to the spot where they went off. You should be crawling right at
> the spot of the turn and there's a generous amount of room (compared to
> what's coming further on) to do a 3 point turn and head down the trails,
> over the creek and on to the next switchback, which is very tight and
> narrow. The only thought I had is that they either were panicked and simply
> lost it, or tried to make the turn in one pass, rather than backing up. I
> hadn't thought about the possibility they may have unbelted to try and bail
> out.
It would be interesting and educational to find out if the Jeep did
indeed have ABS or not.
I have seen Jeeps coming down tight ravine switchbacks and if the tree
wasn't there to stop them, well.....
The same TJ did the same run later with both ABS fuses pulled and
managed to stop fine to do the 3 point.
I know it isn't supposed to work at slow speeds, but if you are coming
faster than the cut off and they turn on, they stay on or some just
always come on.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
>
> > How can you help, but panic, if you stand on your brakes and nothing
> happens? They unbelted and prepared to jump but it was too late, they had
> bought the farm. >
>
> There's a very steep descent along Ingram creek with some serious ledges
> that runs to the spot where they went off. You should be crawling right at
> the spot of the turn and there's a generous amount of room (compared to
> what's coming further on) to do a 3 point turn and head down the trails,
> over the creek and on to the next switchback, which is very tight and
> narrow. The only thought I had is that they either were panicked and simply
> lost it, or tried to make the turn in one pass, rather than backing up. I
> hadn't thought about the possibility they may have unbelted to try and bail
> out.
It would be interesting and educational to find out if the Jeep did
indeed have ABS or not.
I have seen Jeeps coming down tight ravine switchbacks and if the tree
wasn't there to stop them, well.....
The same TJ did the same run later with both ABS fuses pulled and
managed to stop fine to do the 3 point.
I know it isn't supposed to work at slow speeds, but if you are coming
faster than the cut off and they turn on, they stay on or some just
always come on.
Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
LIKE I SAID, if it was a TJ with a Dana 44 then it did NOT have ABS.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
#67
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
LIKE I SAID, if it was a TJ with a Dana 44 then it did NOT have ABS.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
#68
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
LIKE I SAID, if it was a TJ with a Dana 44 then it did NOT have ABS.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
#69
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
LIKE I SAID, if it was a TJ with a Dana 44 then it did NOT have ABS.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
#70
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Re: Blanca Peak and Black Bear Pass Fatalities
Of course, this is all semantics since we don't yet know what flavor of
Wrangler they were in.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.
Wrangler they were in.
"L.W. (ßill) ------ III" <----------@***.net> wrote in message
news:410FBF59.2BE2C4BC@***.net...
> Then suicide it was, because a guy without Antilock Brake System
> could have stopped, and backed up to complete the hair pin turn.
> God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O
> mailto:-------------------- http://www.----------.com/
>
> Matt Macchiarolo wrote:
> >
> > Nah, they probably had a TJ with a factory rear 44. No ABS then.